Never forget what they took from you

Never forget what they took from you.

zoomer here, a retarded ancient unusable relic of the past full of bugs that's still popular among unemployed senile boomers who are too old to learn the modern tech stack so they keep seething because they are not able to find a job or compete with younger tech workers anymore?
glad they took it from me, don't even miss it

Cunt?

zoomer here

you don't realize how retarded you are and i find it some mix of humorous and cringe.

retarded ancient unusable relic of the past

Yeah it's definitely cunt.

Almost all safety critical software is written in C althoughbeit.

ok boomer, got on fin already?

you don't realize how retarded

either elaborate or stop kvetching
from
cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/product-security-bad-practices

The development of new product lines for use in service of critical infrastructure or NCFs in a memory-unsafe language (e.g., C or C++) where readily available alternative memory-safe languages could be used is dangerous and significantly elevates risk to national security, national economic security, and national public health and safety.

your garbage is not needed anymore unc because you are too dumb so you need training wheels for your retarded senile balding ass
cope baldie
not anymore, you are running out of time cnile

they didn't look it's on the keyboard
cccc

got on fin already?

What the fuck are you even attempting to say? I don't understand ebonics, can you rephrase the question in English?

toppest kek. Your generation is the fattest, dumbest, and brownest generation to ever exist. You're also going bald faster than any previous generation, and to top it off, you don't know shit about tech either.

Fuck off and get back to us when you can understand the concept of directories and files, nigger.

futurism.com/the-byte/gen-z-kids-file-systems

btw, just saying, no rocket ever exploded because it was coded in rust, cope

is there anything of note actually written in rust tho?

t. web developer

You make websites. You do what high schoolers do as a side hustle on fiver. Like that's your full time job, lol.

brownest generation to ever exist

your generation was the most niggerloving coalburning anti-white to exist. croak faggot

Things don't get written in Rust. They get rewritten in Rust.

Should have called it N

Don't you have a BLM riot to go kneel at or something, faggot?

c

I know. Don't finish the name...

arienne rocket was an integer overflow problem, you boner.

so a thing which only happens when retarded boomers use C, got it
cope

Your generation is the fattest, dumbest, and brownest generation to ever exist

which is a direct consequence of boomers voting in elections instead of being culled in mass, yes ano, thank you, I know
it's almost like every boomer has one goal in life: import the biggest amount of niggers they can to ruin everything
remember this when a pajeeta nurse spits in your meds, YOU voted for it and YOU wanted it, nobody else did, and I was born straight in the hell you created
maybe, not my problem

t. unemployed

You make websites

I don't

Like that's your full time job, lol.

keep imagining things in your senile alzheimer's head, boomer

Are you retarded?

zoomer

Ahh, yes you are retarded. Learn how a computer actually works and why it’s crucial to have low level languages like c for memory management

Boomer here, and not a programmer, but I've taken a few programming classes and kind of get the nature of C programming.

C is very close to assembler or machine code. It is good for creating fast programs but it is easy to make mistakes when coding in it. When you get to things like C+, you're creating "objects" which is tech lingo for reusable code snippets.

Am I still on track here?

All of the modern programming languages seem to have a focus on distributed computing. I hear that Rust is the big cheese for idiot proofing security in code but programmers tend to be autistics who covet shiny things so security isn't normally one of their big deals.

Here's what I see being "took" from me.

Microsoft and others are intent on normalizing "software as a service" which means you don't own your program, you lease it. For my part, I don't like that, as it's using the Internet to keep many of my problems as a system administrator hidden where I cannot access them and find a solution. In the effort to get their guaranteed income stream, MS and others use consultants who create divisiveness between me and my employer. As a result, they've tried to change the name of the job title to desktop support, but still require every aspect of system administration without compelling the asshat programmers to provide training to idiot end-users, nor allowing me administrative access to make changes asked of me with good intentions.

Programmers and employers got autistic and took shiny things without asking. Do your fucking desktop support now. You made your choices.

direct consequence of boomers voting in elections

No, it's a direct consequence of your mother being a coal-burner.
Besides, Holy C is God's programming language. Rust is for homos, because it's brown like (You).

do you not play fgo or something?

it’s crucial to have low level languages like c

glowies say it's not anymore so keep kvetching, we must thank god that this decision is not taken by people like you
women being coal burners is a direct consequences of boomers being weak cucks that should be culled from the gene pool, which is happening as we speak and I will wait until that proccess is complete

Holy C is God's programming language.

which to a surprise of nobody was written by an autist that acked himself, as any boomer c programmer should do
christcucks I swear

C is for COOKIE! That's good enough for me!

zoomer here, and not a surgeon, but I've taken a few first aid classes and kind of get the nature of neurosurgery

a scalpel is very close to an axe. it's good for cleaving material apart but it's easy to accidentally cut too much when using it. when you get to things like a syringe, you're "injecting" stuff which is medical lingo for putting stuff inside other stuff without cleaving material

am I still on track here?

sirs what do you use to get input from the user? too many options I don't know what to use.

scanf()
sscanf()
fscanf()
gets()
fgets()

import argparse

written by an autist that acked himself

No, that's the kind of retarded shit your generation might do. Holy C was written by a based schizo (not an autist) that was murdered by CIA niggers for being too based.

the most famous overflow hit java first. some retard coded up mid=low+(low+high)/2 in the stdlib binary search.
nobody bothered to worry about it back then because 2 billion was out of sight for most applications. now we know to worry about shit like that.

man gets

so whats the system programming language all the zoomers use today? Rust?

murdered by CIA niggers

I want to thank them for their service, doing god's work there
one christcuck boomer c programmer less == one less CVE
whatever

sorry, habit got my statement messed up.
mid = (low+high)/2
is the overflow way
mid = low + (high-low)/2
is the no overflow way

Never forget what they took from you.

Considering the level of detail that this thread started with, can I assume that you just want to talk about your homosexual erection and was hoping that you'd get more attention by using a few tech words?

There are ZERO CVE's for TempleOS.

But here's a 10/10 CVE for Rust from just last month alone:

CVE-2024-24576
cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2024-24576/

There are ZERO CVE's for TempleOS.

and a grand total of 0 users too, anything else?

CVE-2024-24576

things improving and being fixed is bad now

this. we must use javascript for everything

shut your god damn whore mouth you don't know wtf you're talking about, retard

dog turd

B-B-B-BUT WE'RE IMPROVING

dog turd

weird way to say c but ok

four!

blah blah blah

weird way to say BEEP BOOP BEEP

This has to be bait. I use a "modern stack" but even I realize AI will eventually replace all of it with a low-level language.

#include <windows.h>
#include <tlhelp32.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
HANDLE hProcessSnap;
PROCESSENTRY32 pe32;

hProcessSnap = CreateToolhelp32Snapshot(TH32CS_SNAPPROCESS, 0);
if (hProcessSnap == INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE) {
printf("Failed to take snapshotn");
return 1;
}

pe32.dwSize = sizeof(PROCESSENTRY32);
if (!Process32First(hProcessSnap, &pe32)) {
CloseHandle(hProcessSnap);
printf("Failed to get first processn");
return 1;
}

do {
printf("Process: %S | PID: %u | Threads: %un",
pe32.szExeFile,
pe32.th32ProcessID,
pe32.cntThreads);
} while (Process32Next(hProcessSnap, &pe32));

CloseHandle(hProcessSnap);
return 0;
}

vs Get-Process | Select-Object Name, Id, Threads

PowerShell master race checking in

Are you going to tell us what they took from you or are you just going to sing opera to Anon Babble? My Italian language is very limited.

that's just sad but also completely unsurprising, what a pathetic generation

it will not. that retardation is trained on the internet, which is mostly python. not that tiobe is pefect but python is 25-35% of what's on the internet these days

I've never seen a kid learn anything besides python or webdev.

LOL, now you're trying to move the goalposts.
But you STILL lose. You wanna go by popularity? C still wins. Shit, even fucking POWERSHELL has more users than Rust.

Literally all of the software you use on a daily basis was written in C or C++.

what are you plotting, upsidedownfren?

notice how I wasn't even the first to mention rust and yet it's your 5-th post kvetching about it and bringing it up out of nowhere as if no other programming languages existed
you are mentally ill (like every cnile) and yelling at the sky about non-problems and things nobody gives a fuck about, seek professional medical assistance and take your meds
sure

#include <windows.h>

ngmi

when you talk about "memory safe" "languages" we all know you are talking about rust. don't be obtuse.

MUH STACKS

Also, vibe programming isnt real programming

You will soon be an involuntary neet.

if I imagine things in my head I can pretend they are real

also nobody, as in literally nobody, mentioned "memory safe" languages

You will soon be an involuntary neet.

speaking from experience?

Yeah almost as bad as a boomer trying to navigate a phone

you did you fucking imbecile

do you really want your airbag or brake system controlled by something written in rust?

no, i don't want some stupid explosive airbag and I want my brake system to be controlled by my foot and some hydraulic cylinders.

retarded zoomer tries to shill "memory-safe languages"

can't remember doing it

pottery. I bet he's vaxxed too.

Read Dijkstra's essay "On the foolishness of natural language programming".

no, they took Ruby from us

I'm not really concerned about Rust or Python or .Net or any of that other junk. What matters is that computers are being used for the right thing. If I were to make an observation, it would be that you don't put F-35 plane schematics on a computer system that has access to the Internet so you don't frikkin' need Rust to do your kernel software.

There's way too much talk about one language or one OS vs. another. I can reduce this down down to boomer talk, because I know how zoomer programmers love to hear it.

Don't be a jack of all trades and a master of none. Employers need to respect the work that goes into redoing your code to fit trendy Internet culture. We still have Fortran programmers out there because we still have old mainframes that corporations aren't ready to give up on.

I don't mind seeing kids get all excited about using containers, but don't think I don't know what the thrill is....it's about using someone else's code that you don't understand. Sooner or later, that's going to kick your ass.

If you want to talk tech specific stuff, I'm sure you have a forum elsewhere for that. This is Anon Babble so if it's not a big picture concept, it doesn't belong here. ....and nobody "took" anything from you except maybe your future career. I'm not going to be impressed with random tech word noise. Don't lob "stacks" or "CVE" at me if us if you're not ready to say why it matters.

maybe if the boomer bothered teaching them they wouldn't be so retazrded?

For me.
It's odin.

baka zoomers are so helpless they can opener lessons

so a thing which only happens when retarded boomers use C, got it

Pretty much every language overflows integers since that's the way the hardware behaves anyway. Could you imagine how much slower software would be if it had to do a bounds check on every integer operation?

Anyway, decent software will have to use custom allocators anyway, completely mitigating the benefits of a language like Rust.

Welcome to the working world. Everyone spends more time protecting their jobs instead of doing them. Everyone expects to get paid to make babies. Everyone's politics is about the redistribution of wealth or the keeping of the labor force in contained places where they won't trash the good land for those more deserving of it.

There IS an observation to be made here. Boomer or younger, none of us has had to endure a war that might seriously change our way of life. If you think we can change that selfish culture we all share, I'll listen.

software engineer here
C fucking sucks
I don't care how good you are at C, you are spending twice as much time to do the same thing that you can do in a modern language and even the smallest slip with gay pointers will cause errors that are incredibly expensive to debug

Have a seat son, you're 23 years old now. It's about time you learned how to operate a can opener.

lol

Rust >

git gud faggot

fpbp

skill issue

I'm learning C# as my first programming language, thoughts?

You guys are just talking past each other.

It's true, some of the most important and robust pieces of software are written in C, but it's also true that most C code is filled with things like buffer overflow exploits and the amount of testing and QA and auditing you need to make C good is not worth it for most projects, its also impossible to prove anything (see ken thompson hack),

We also have Rust now, which can do a lot of the things that we need C for (though arguably is not as straightforward for some of the truly low level stuff, I don't have an opinion on exactly how much C/C++ Rust can replace).

The important thing to understand is that most software is high level code, and C/C++ are no longer suitable for writing high level code, its just not justified by the risk and cost compared with the alternatives. I wouldn't' use Go or Java either btw.

Official god tier opinions:

Ban list:

JS, Python, JVM languages other than Kotlin

Language selection:
FE -> TS or Kotlin (or swift or dart I guess)
Services -> Kotlin or Rust
System programming -> Rust
Codegenerated wrappers -> Go or Rust
Extremely low level things -> C/C++ on a case by case basis

took

??

never forget that bjarne is also based.

You just suck at your job kek

A few points:
1. .net is dying
2. F# is better than C#

Just learn Kotlin

its amazing someone with an opinion this retarded has the wherewithal to operate a web browser to share said opinion

I still use C every day.

t. Embedded Fag

t. Embedded Fag

exactly.
Thread

T. high level fag

C and C++ are still the dominant languages for software that matters. The rest is just front end stuff and that's mostly done by low IQ jeets and fags who can't be trusted with a powerful language like C/C++ anyways as they'll cause all kinds of problems by doing stupid things.
See
The low IQ retards get angry when you mention how inferior they are because they know they are incapable of achieving any task in a language like C/C++ without blowing everything up.

I prefer B

C is still the standard for embedded systems. Literally is no replacement on any level whatsoever, all these new languages are insanely inferior to C for firmware.

C is only for Chads.

oh look, its a rustranny

This should be considered blasphemy.

First point, ignore this retard Second point, start with C/C++. The fundamentals you'll learn to be able to write good performant code with it will translate to all of the lesser languages and will result in you being able to work in literally any tech field out there with minimal upskilling, really just learning new syntax and library APIs. Added bonus is you'll have to learn how memory on a computer works to be able to use it as well so when it comes to architecture design it will help you to avoid creating retarded balls of spaghet, as is the case with 90% of retards who start designing systems but only have a background in the lesser languages.

At the end of the day each language has it's use, except for java and it's derivatives, and using the right tool for the job is key. C/C++ knowledge transfers to all the others, but the same is not true in reverse.

thoughts on c++ ?

hahahahhahahahaha
stupid fucking zoomer faggot, your entire "tech stack" is written in fucking c, you braindead broccolihaired nigger

I'll expand a bit on this.

Contemporary language features of note:
1. compiler support for asynchronous code in imperative style (.net, javascript, and Kotlin all have this) or fibers (Java, Go have this).
2. Structured concurrency (pretty sure only Kotlin has this right now)
3. Discriminated union-like syntax for error-as-value (rust Enums, sealed types in Kotlin, Dart, etc. Go does not have this, their error-as-value called tuple returns sucks balls and is not compile-time typesafe)
4. Compiler checking of null (Kotlin, TS, etc. Go does not have this, fuck Go) or lack of null under normal circumstances (Rust)
5. Good pattern matching and statements are expressions (Kotlin, I think most .net has this, Rust, pattern matching in TS is sorta ok but statements aren't expressions so it sucks)
6. monadic data types ie. you can map lists and stuff (Java, .net, Kotlin, they pretty much all have this now)
7. Static types (or at least progressive), fuck dynamic typing, tell me you don't write tests without telling me you don't write tests. TS won over JS for a reason.
8. Support for stuff like lambdas and first order functions (pretty much everyone has this now)

Minor stuff:
1. scope functions fun little doohickeys that are convenient (Kotlin)
2. comparable structs (I think a lot of langs have this but not Java or anything js based)
3. hashing in standard types (JS-based doesn't have, all JVM and .net based have)

Cool stuff but its not worth it:
Purely functional programming, it does guarantee referential transparency if you don't use unsafe IO tho.

C++ for high level software using QT.

no, what that text means is that RETARDED NIGGERHAIRED NIGGER ZOOMERS LIKE YOU are too fucking retarded to be trusted with a REAL language and thereforre you need to be nannied by poilerplate turnkey enterprise frameworks that wall you off from being able to hang yourself with the rope that would otherwise be available to normal people who can into manual memory management you dumb fucking cocksucking niggerworshipping little faggot

Truth, buddy. Fuck all the object-oriented and scripting languages. I build homepages with c and fastcgi.

A rustanny would write their services in Rust I write them in Kotlin.

I would summarize my views thus: "Make Kotlin ALGOL 68 again", that platform is:

- Structured concurrency
- Error-as-value using discriminated unions
- Ports and adapters architecture
- protobuf RPCs for IPC with handmade clients that convert from real types to generated types
- Functional architecture (Mark Seemann's definition)
- Pure DI (Mark Seemann's definition)

i could break your pencil neck with 3 fingers

I second this Though at my company we use C# for our front end with managed code, not my choice as it's kind of a nightmare to work with, but also not something I work in since I don't do front end because that's for fags, so I don't really care.

First point, ignore this retard Second point, start with pic related

C lacks basic features for creating enforceable abstractions, it is only beneficial because it's very close to the system architecture, and only useful for embedded systems and OS programming.

C++ is a fucking heresy against everything Dijkstra and Hoare stood for, and lacks basic features from earlier languages like ALGOL 68 because early OOP people were fucking retarded.

OOP haters are also retarded though, OOP doesn't mean all the gay stuff like gang of four it just means abstraction via message passing, there's nothing wrong with defining a client between the impure parts of your app as an interface, its much easier for people to understand than writing it in Haskell with IO monads, altho that's also fine.

Yea I tried C#. Total fucking nightmare. Just to disable menus or children from a child using delegates creates bloat from all hell. I chalk this up to OOP in general however. OOP IMO is nigger tier shit.

yeah, gas station pumps
oh wait, those are all in ruby on fails
so really, nothing

gang of four was "we studied a bunch of code and this is what we found"
your manager or professor is the one that said "do what gof says"

But I mean you aren't wrong. Learning C/C++ will actually teach you a lot about how a von neumann system works, that's why all major CS curriculums include a C++ class.

Windows 11, fucking kek

It depends on what you want to do. Do you have any project in mind ? Game, application, website ?

Cnny?

Actually my professor said do what Bloch says in Effective Java, which is the correct opinion, only much of Effective Java is superceded by Kotlin and similar languages.

I mean the main thing is, Java is the big gay.

Like I said, all the knowledge from learning C/C+ translates to every other language only require some syntax and API learning, the same is not true in reverse. That's why it's the best language to learn on.

As someone who is mature and not a tranny I just use Go. Makes trannies seethe, simple syntax without a million bullshit paradigms and best practices and features like C++.

Compiler is fast and errors are simple and it's safe. Rust is gay as fuck for trannies who have too much time on their hands. People who need to get shit done quick use Go, python, typescript.

A real CS curriculum will include C, assembly, a Lisp-like functional language, and an object oriented language like Java, Python, or maybe C++.

The literal perfect language.

Why does the tranny janny allow this when my racial biology posts get pruned?

Fuck you tranny janny

Go, python, etc are fine for quickly checking if a particular algorithm or formula will produce the results you want on a small scale to then be implemented in a real language that can actually handle high throughput without causing a fire. They are essentially prototyping languages.

I think its a good second language.

The thing that doesn't translate so well is the Exception oriented pure imperative style of C and the bizzare early OOP ideas of C++.

These days I prefer to get someone started in a langauge where they can interact with all the fundamental structure pieces in contemporary programming such as free functions, classes, and structs/data-classes.

One thing I actually respect about Go and Rust is that they make you think of your cartesian product and your methods as separate things, that's kind of cool, but Rust is not a great language to start with, I think its better to learn C++ before learning Rust because Rust is derivative of C++, and the borrow checker is very painful for beginners.

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