Why do Darwinist societies end up failing?

Listen, let me make things simple for someone as stupid as you. There is no escaping this behavioral sink of scarcity, time constraints and being(even within man made societies). Social Darwinism is simply a reality of existence itself and not a conscious choice. Societies do it unconsciously all the time, that's why historical cycles repeat.

You think of Darwinian conflict as hyper individualist and while individualism is important; Groups are also a reality of existence and so are group strategies. You're right in that America has long since stopped being capitalist or meritocratic; But not Darwinian. It's simply the elites and jews as a whole being tested and found wanting.

Nepotism is a feature and not a bug counter to the Darwinian reality. These fools just get filtered together as a group for incompetence. If their nepotism was effective it would be called noblesse oblige instead.

I guess we’re living in a über society then, my mistake
Off to the local Walmart to converse with my fellow superhumans

Collective evolution > individual evolution

Eugenicism and Darwinism are very different things BTW. Eugenicism is a rebellion against the forces of Darwinism.

Filtered

because they keep letting their guard down and let cucks and women into power

Yes they will keep getting filtered lol

Midwit thinks we're born together at the hip? You don't understand variance is a feature? Power coaleces then fragments, things are impermanent. You need individualism or else mass die offs or obsolescence happens all too easy.

"darwinian" selection is the opposite of selection imposed by civilisations.

Manly P Hall said evolution had been discussed since before Christianity, but has never been used to organize a society. Everyone is TERRIFIED of death and needs some kind of noble lie to calm them down and not be a schizo.

Darwinist societies

Please define (for those who are not retarded faggots) what retarded faggots mean by the stupid retarded faggotry of "Darwinist societies."

According to people itt, America

We're all descended from darwinist societies.

America is jam packed full of retarded superstitious idiots. OP would need to be retarded beyond the scope of being able to type to think that American is not a retarded shit hole full of superstitious idiots.

Not necessarily, it depends on the level of imposition. Civilization itself obviously selects for several traits not conducive to living in the wild. But it's a gradient, there are many groups who walk a thin line. Also nomads are a perfect example of being a culture but not a Civilization in the sense you're thinking.

It isn't as clear cut as you'd like to think, it's worth putting up with if there's an actual purpose behind the endeavors. The problem is that humans are retarded so they never learn.

I am OP, and yes I agree with you which is why it’s funny that assertion is being made

I am sure you are all descendants of Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
And not some levantine latifundiary slaves.

Pretty much this

We're all indo europeans and we were very competitive and darwinist for most of our history.

we are all indo-europeans

Linguistically speaking yes.
Genetically speaking. Its fucking mongrelized everywhere.

competitive and darwinist

Yes. But agriculture turns everyone into a communal-proletariat monkey.

The industrial revolution sealed the deal.

before Alexander, Sparta has been the most powerful and politically successful state of their side of the world, that is from greece to egypt, to scythia, to india.

Darwin favors cooperative strategies over individual excellence. Getting along with others is a survival strategy and any strong individual can be brought down with sufficient time and numbers.

Being nice is actually useful.

Kinda.
Lysander changed the Rethra since he was a fucking Mothax mixed-breed.

Other mothakes mixed-breeds got in power thanks to him.
Lycurgan law died in Sparta.

Then the Thebans sealed the deal before Alexander.

I'm 140 IQ actually. You're incomprehensible vague and probably schizo. Prosociality and group oriented selection has made up the entirety of human evolution as we can see from the archaeogenetic record. Take off the memeflag please.

Prosociality and group oriented selection

You will end up like the Chinks. With a collective grey mass of herd.

Prosocial is good to the extent it doesnt turn theocratic.
As in the case of Christianity or Islam.

You're right, human evolution has been dead for thousands of years. I don't see it coming back anytime soon.

Because there is always a bigger fish.

Imposed by the circle of accountability

Its not coming back.
Christianity, Islam, Communism and Liberalism have sealed the fate of every bipedal monkey on earth.

Today universalism is the religious doctrine.
Racism and differentialism is the main heresy among all ideologies/religions.

The only cope some idiots have is with transhumanism. Implanting a fucking hard drive in their peasant brains.

Its ogre from now on.

You're objectively wrong and my post was not vague in any way whatsoever. You're just doubling down on completely false claims because you have no actual argument. If what you were saying is true then speciation or adaptation would never even occur naturally.

Evolutionary success does not necessary mean strength or intelligence or anything you might personally respect. You can be a literal super man and still end up a failure if you don't pass on your genes. And you can be a zealously religious disgusting pitch black African, and the future will be yours because you have fifteen children.

Mayeb some kind of future nazism with eugenics will try to make it come back, with future gene editing and selection it may make evolution even faster than normal.

Sparta fell for much the same reasons the Roman Republic fell and America is falling now. That is a bunch of rich oligarch assholes monopolize everything of value, in Sparta's case it was land, and then use their influence to monopolize the political system to ensure no threat to their power while also disenfranchising most citizens, turning them into demoralized serfs who subsequently lacked any motivation to defend the state against foreign enemies.

In Sparta's case it was even worse because Spartans who lost their land were not even legally acknowledged to be Spartans, meaning that during times of war, when a Spartan either died or was campaigning for extended periods of time, his lands, which he couldn't work himself, could easily be bought up by rich landowners meaning his family members, if he had any, would lose their Spartan status and that because of constant warfare the population of actual citizen Spartans decreased exponentially, going from ~~8000 Spartans in 450 BC to ~~1000 Spartans in 350 BC, almost a 90% decline in just 1 century.

To summarize, the problem was the selfishness and short-sightedness of the ruling-class.

The life and death of the Spartan king Agis IV, who tried and failed to stop this problem, pretty much sums up the Spartan decline.

The only cope some idiots have is with transhumanism. Implanting a fucking hard drive in their peasant brains.

Topkek

Perhaps it'll be overtaken by AI evolution.

And the most intelligent/valerous always reproduce the least.
While the feeble minded are always guided to the only form of production they know.

future nazism

Good luck. Nazism is common enemy heresy to all the world over.

In Sparta, most of the wealth ended up in the hands of women because of the equal inheritance laws. Maybe that had something to do with it too.

Greek life is centered around women. They have named philosophy after a woman. They have four different words for love but not one for simp. They worship pagan idols of women doing male activities. They make pottery and marble statues of naked women. They write dramas to entertain women. They let women attend their general assembies. They started a 20 year Trojan war over a woman. When you say "Hellene" they're not thinking of the men who built civilization, they're thinking of women. Their forums are completely overrun with roasties crying about athenian imported slave women. Their men sit around writing about how great women are while their "virtuous" wives sit around listening to sophists speak. They worship "based" Macedonian warriors who actually conquered Persia while attacking their benevolent Roman custodians as warmongers. They watch women oracles whine about the future and tell them what to do. They will tell you how much they hate women and how actually real love can only be between male aristos, but they are just pretending to love men when military campaigns get too long. The evidence speaks for itself in that greeks have always been and will be a group of women loving dopes.

Wise words, Chuddeus

Women could inherit and own property in Rome.
And the Romans had the same matronal cults as the Hellenes.

hey look, it's the christard whistling in the graveyard.
atheism is not genetic. religions are declining because children of religiotards deconvert, not because of rutting patterns. go ahead, have many children.

The world follows the pendulum law so in the future it will happen, but nobody knows when. Maybe it'll happen in space.

All that yet they still didn't learn to have sex with women.

they don't, Sparta pulled beyond its weight to an almost comical level considering just how few actual Spartiates were, keeping under their feet both helots outnumbering them 7 to 1 and dominating the Peloponnese first and then Greece

And the Romans had the same matronal cults as the Hellenes.

No they didn't, there were only a handful to keep the foids busy. Romans were so autistic most refused to worship Minerva. Also you should look into the whole host of historical anecdotes or diaries of Roman statesmen detesting "eastern" culture as effeminate and their women "witches".

Chudeus maximus doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm sure the moment females started to inherit due to the fertility issues and become debauched; The same dynamic of simps here going for Asian/browns happened. Except it was with Gallic/Germanic or other women bought from abroad.

The Gens Iulia literally had its patronal cult to Venus Genitrix.

You are wilding.

They were having sex with everything in between I'm sure, at the height of their decadence. No need to pretend the usual Jewish crap of romans being exclusively gay. Orgies etc, of course most that sex was not reproductive even if they did lay with women.

beyond comical illiteracy

Are you a tradcuck or simp? What's with the historical revisionism. Of course they had cults/temples to the usual female deities like every other culture, so what? Will you bring up some more as if it refutes my point? This is just emblematic of any polytheistic tradition. It doesn't change the fact their status and power was much lower than in other contemporaries.

Can you imagine having a city who's foundational myth and history is littleraly capturing war brides to rape; thinking they will respect women.

Snap back to reality

a handful of quotes from a learned elder is emblematic of overall culture/traditions at the time or past

And most these people were ostracized or kept in check by other institutions.
This is like going to a PUA forum or looks max.com to say people of this time period weren't are pussy whipped simps.

The Romans literally cast their yoke from the Tarquins because of the rape of a blonde woman named Lucretia.

The Roman patricians were such simps they literally founded a republic on the rape of one woman.

A convenient excuse to rebel is the same as actually being a simp

And then they went on to rape the entire peninsula later.

again, beyond comical illiteracy, tell me next how Hesiod, whose myth is at the foundation of Greek understanding of the world, was ostracized
women in Athens, the "freest" of the Greek city state, were in a taliban tier regime of house confinement

the foundations of all cultures have innate wisdom/rules

this degenerates over time

Wow shocking, it's almost as if these cultures aren't static and you can chronicle their transformation.

Anyways pearl clutching over something as based as taliban housing confinement is just icing on the cake. Just goes to show that the moment you let women loose then everything goes to shit.

The Romans conjugated the Martial magnetic pole with the Venusian magnetic pole.

At least originally.
You are oversemitifiying Roman society to the behest of your Abrahamic virus.

Sparta degenerated after they defeated Athens and got rich from it. It fractured their society and undermined unity. The eugenics program was working until then. But the massive influx of wealth and domestic issues like women inheriting immense property from their many short-lived husbands was very destabilizing.

The Romans conjugated the Martial magnetic pole with the Venusian magnetic pole.

No they didn't, you have it completely backwards. This is like thinking troubadourisms, older arthurian legends or m'lady simping was a real phenomenon in the middle ages; Or that they actually respected some chivalric code of honor. It's completely fantasy after the fact by romantics or more contemporary to rope in women. Even today all that saccharine crap is consumed mostly by femoids.

ROMA | AMOR
AMOR | ROMA

You have it all backwards lol

I'm going to build an illiterate strawman about Greek society based on pearl clutching, ignore what their leaders and wise men said and then accuse others of pearl clutching

lmao, show us your real flag, I'm betting a juicy amerimutt barn animal

Women had very favorable inheritance laws and didn't have to go war and could also inherit their husband's land if he died, which certainly did help them to consolidate their land in Spartan society during wartime was well. The richest Spartans often had few heirs because the main reason they were rich in the first place was because both they and their parents didn't have siblings to split their inheritance with in the first place.

This means that, for example a wealthy heiress could marry a rich Spartan man. As a Spartan man he has to go fight a war. He dies. Woman inherits his wealth, then remarries 2 other rich dudes who also die in battle. Suddenly, having inherited 4 fortunes, she's basically the Spartan version of Jeff Bezos before she's 30 years old and spends the rest of her 50 years of life giving out predatory loans to and buying up the farmlands of all the other Spartan families, many whose men also died in battle and/or are heavily into debt due to the fact that Sparta spends almost the entirety of 430 BC to 362 BC, almost 70 years straight, being the principle combatant at war with various other Greek states.

At the end of this period Sparta had like a couple dozen older women, often with few or no children, who owned like 50% of Sparta's farmland.

Their culture basically was incapable of handling immense wealth. Up to that point they intentionally used cumbersome forms of money and they had a sort of socialized plantation system where they collectively owned a slave class.

If you only knew that La Dam du Lac and Numa's Egeria are the same water nymph archetype.

You're so retarded you think you're educated but it was completely inundated in historical revisionism. I bet you don't even check author ethnicity or translator either if the book is from another language. You have no idea lol

Also you don't even understand my point, you think you're disagreeing with me but you're not. You're an autist who even fails to understand my humor. In which age would a roman be able to criticize decadent Greek culture? The time of hesiod or a different one? Hmmmm

You're so fucking stupid that you're still playing with these dolls called archetypes. You don't understand that they're iterative or referential? Even if what you were saying is true(I don't really care) it would be moot because there was even a delineation. It doesn't change a thing. They mask in which the spirits take is not who they really are. I suspect you understand the traditions from the point of view of an adherent or historian. Than someone familiar with the workings or their intent manifest.

ἔγωγε δύναμαι Ἑλληνιστὶ ἀναγιγνώσκειν καὶ διαλέγεσθαι, σὺ δὲ εἶ ἁπλῶς ἀμερικύων τις ὡς οὐδέποτ' ἄλλην τινὰ γλῶσσαν πλὴν τὴν Ἀγγλικὴν μαθήσεται
βάλλ' ἐς κόρακας, κακοπίθηκε

You're littleraly an autist on an irrelevant forum trying to one up me by virtue signaling knowledge to no avail; all because you're butthurt. You don't even understand that you're infodumping but it doesn't really refute anything I said. The joke wasn't even meant to be some high effort peice. You really are just "whataboutism" but not even self aware because you didn't get the point of the joke or context.

It doesn't matter if you can speak Greek either, do you think Greek and ancient Greek are the same? Why even think you can pretend to speak Greek in today's day and age when Google or translate tools are endemic. You can't prove it either, you're vain and still wrong about everything.

doesn't even recognize ancient Greek

tries to school me on ancient Greeks

To be Ancient Greek you need to take that horrible punctuation and accentuation out fratello.

This is sad, I would say you don't have a sense of humor. But just admit you jumped the gun because you're autistic and we can call it a day. Why not use your oh so vast knowledge to infodump stuff relevant to the OP instead of continuing this losing exchange.

Because you were lied to in school when they told you that THE science understands evolution. Such ideas are based upon incomplete data and highly speculative interpretations.

This is sad

please look I keep posting smug images of frogs which clearly prove I'm not butt devastated after being humiliated

already replied to OP, hernandez

Thanks for the bump! I'm actually a Ferrer, so you guessed wrong buddy.

The issue is that human beings are social animals, so imposing eugenic standards as though we were only individuals ( emphasizing strength, health, aesthetics) actually undermines group fitness in the long run, where arguably traits that promote group cohesion are more important, like intelligence, conscientiousness, agreeableness, and other prosocial traits. German National Socialism at least tried to split the difference by going heavy on the Socialism first to try to get everyone back on their feet and on an even playing field before they went too far into the eugenics stuff, and I think that's key. Worrying about eugenics at the individual level is kind of putting the cart before the horse if you're society isn't even functioning and able to defend itself. The latter type of method i mentioned is better equipped to employ stricter eugenics later down the road because there's actually enough group cohesion for people to agree that it's necessary. Try too hard to make the ubermensch too early on in the process, and it's just man vs. man until the whole process collapses because the group failed to protect itself from outside forces.

Because the people that darwinist societies try to eliminate are usually the majority compared to the ideal people.
The incels/inferiors just can't take the heat anymore and destroy the society that works against them.

this tired old dichotomy

Just become an Uber mensch lol, a real Superman can survive regardless of temporal conditions. Individual/Collective dynamic only exists when there is already a set collective working towards a common aim. If your society is retarded like it is today, you can speak truth to power but the reality is most people are retarded. It's a fools errand to burden yourself with people stuck in their ways.

You can have both Individual and group selection; Infact it's mandatory for the largest meta strategy of centralized civilizations which is division of labour/specialization.

Just stop being autistic

Lets all start quoting Theognis of Megara and realize this shit has been happening for the last 3000 years.

You're not the real boss

Of course I'm not, I'm my own Boss and all three of my eyes are working. What a shame I had more than three, then I could have been the perfect errand boy.

Remind me: what happened to Constantinople?

what happened to Constantinople?

Became the oriental slum that Constantine designed it to be?

And then what?
Became a mutt nation, religiously, then ethnically, allowed the muslim problem to grow, and, finally, escaped like a little bitch without even defending its people. And now we got Turkey thanks to the worthless orthobros

orthobros

Thanks to the meat that Nero sent to the panthers.
And should have stayed as lion shit.
But no. We have to worship a jew impaled on a stauros.

why is he drinking from the pissjug

I don't think we disagree as much as you think we do. I wasn't presenting an either or individual vs group dichotomy, I simply stated that past societies have failed for valuing the ideal individual over the group that can produce him when they are of equal importance. As for just becoming the ubermensch amongst a broken society of degenerates, yeah good luck. Our society is dead set upon priming the untermensch to attack and destroy anyone who begins to perform above their level, like jackals on a lion. Any aspiring ubermenasch will be destroyed before realizing his potential until he is in a society of men like himself

it's just the circle of life

To them the only obligation to society is individual fulfillment. they do what they can to make thier own lives better and don't care about future generations.

why do all societies ever conceived eventually fail at some point in history?

I'm bleeding that means I'm the victor

As for just becoming the ubermensch amongst a broken society of degenerates, yeah good luck

But I already did that, why do you think I suggested you did. Maybe you aren't of the right constitution? Just lock in bro, just lock in.

The Spartans fell because they were proto-feminist faggots and thus failed to breed. Also, having so many slaves that you need to turn your society into an armed camp 24/7 just to keep the subhumans in line is retard.

Athens was by far the superior society.

Darwinist societies

No such thing has ever existed. Not unless you are referring to University and College tenor professors ?

Incels stop working and men in general stop working

you'd be surprised by the Spartans' keen sense for proper breeding, in Plutarch there's a comparison with how people know that it works with dogs but don't apply it equally to humans and get jealous, it's not like before Darwin people didn't understand traits are passed down from parents to offspring, albeit they didn't have the details figured out and believed partly in proto-Lamarckism-type ideas like physically fit parents producing fit children(albeit maybe there's some truth to it)

Among rams and asses and horses, Kyrnos, we look for those
Of noble breeding, and a man wants them to mate
From worthy stock. Yet a noble man does not mind marrying
A base woman of base birth if she brings him money in abundance,
Nor does a woman shrink from becoming the wife of a base man
With wealth; she prefers a rich husband to a worthy one.
Money is what they honor; the noble weds a base man's daughter,
The base a worthy man's: wealth mixes stock.
Thus do not be amazed, son of Polypaos, that the citizen's stock
Is growing feeble, for what is noble is being mixed with what is base.

THEOGNIS

Dunno. I know that “darwinian” evolution is a goofball anti scientific cult and that it was lifted from hilarious failed pulp fiction like global warming, by the same people for the same reasons and forced using the same tools.