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how was this time determined
Oral Arguments begin in front of SCOTUS at 10AM on May 15th Washington DC time. And considering the opposition does not have an argument the Trump Administration is sure to win.
the time between oral arguments and a decision can be months
and why do you think the opposition has no arguments, isn't the text of the constitution an argument
Trumps argument is that of UPHOLDING the US Constitution and Precedent set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark (1898).
The oppositions argument is.... well.... see for yourself in pic related.
i remember seeing this pic a while back and i asked for a link and nobody provided one
anyway isn't the literal interpretation of the 14th amendment pretty strong
Correct, the "literal interpretation" of the 14th amendment is very strong as set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark (1898) in which they state that children of PERMANENT RESIDENTS are covered under the 14th amendment.
As you know the only group of people in the US who have "PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS" are Green Card holders which is a nickname for the "PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS CARD"
Not only is the "literal interpretation" very strong and strengthened by both SCOTUS and the Constitution itself but also we have Senator Jacob Howard the man who wrote Clause 1 in the 14th Amendment to tell use exactly what the words mean in pic related.
Its really crystal clear why the Trump Administration has a home run argument and the opposition has no chance.
well the 14th amendment literally says nothing about green cards or residency
btw i asked in a kind of roundabout fashion the first time but could you provide a link to that thing you posted earlier
or do you not know what it is either
well the 14th amendment literally says nothing about green cards or residency
No that would be the Supreme Court of the United States in Wong Kim Ark (1898) and as you may or may not know SCOTUS makes rulings on constitutional questions.
ok forget the court cases for a sec
what the hell is this pic you posted and where did it come from
If you do this I will lose my citizenship and I don't no if I wil be able to use my grandaprent's Arizona home they plan on giving me after they day, go tell trump not to do it
If a law has been interpreted in x way, a change to y could not be retroactive.
Courts can change their mind (see Roe v Wade or Brown v. Board of Education). This is why Trump is retarded. EO are trash and the next president will wipe their ass with the EOs. Trump has the votes to get actual laws passed. He should go for a Constitutional Amendment why he has the political capital to do so rather than hope the SC of 2025 will agree with the court of 1989
Stupid Orange Boomer
don't underestimate trump's evil and hate towards PoC
Immigrant here. After Thursday I'm guaranteed to have a due process. God bless America.
Incorrect, SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive by default because to attempt to argue otherwise would be to claim that SCOTUS has the AUTHORITY or POWER to alter the US Constitution which they do not.
The POWER to alter or AMEND the US Constitution solely wrests in Article V.
SCOTUS interpretations of constitutional questions are retroactive in nature because their rulings are seen as enforcing Constitutional Law - The highest most supreme law of the land - as it ALWAYS WAS.
Literalism is dead, chuddy. It's a living document. Get with the times.
OUT with literalilsm
IN with originalism
hey if you haven't abandoned the thread then tell me what this is
give with the link
I am not going to give you a link, if you care that much then search image md5 in the archives. I am not going to hold your hand or spoon feed you.
Not going to happen anytime soon. This case also isn't about what you think it is. The issue before the Justices they wanted to take up is the scope and reach of injunctions at the district level. Forum shopping is a massive problem in the current federal judiciary. Roberts wants to set a proper framework for this for all time. Even if Trump "wins* he gets a ruling more in his favor that a libtard can't run to a heavily democrat judge federal district for a quick ruling, a federal appellate circuit full of activists aka the ninth will just quick list it and the same result. They aren't going to discuss the actual merits of birth right citizenship nor even consider that issue.
Jews
i think you're like me in that you saw that on Anon Babble and have no idea where it came from
unlike me you didn't think to question it
The NATIONAL INJUNCTIONS are only possible if the EO is deemed unconstitutional thus if SCOTUS deems the NATIONAL INJUNCTIONS to be unconstitutional that by very definition makes the Executive Order constitutional
And that's a precedent that they can't take back.
I took that screenshot.
No, I am not going to tell you where it is from or provide you a link.
obviously you won't because you can't
Present an argument
Hint: (You) will not
Are we unironically going to get our white ethnsotate?
Not really because the offspring of Green Card holders still get birthright citizenship and anyone descendant from slaves. Still means the 100+ illegals and all of their offspring going back at least until 1971 if not until 1929 lose their citizenship though which is a good start.
the Trump Administration is sure to win.
You underestimate the faggotry of certain Justices
Either they uphold the US Constitution or Trump Suspends Habeas Corpus to facilitate mass deportations for it falls on the Chief Executive to UPHOLD the US Constitution even if that makes him an outsider.
We'd have to repeal the Hart-Cellar Act and eliminate the "spics are white for census purposes" rule to make America actually white again
And they aren't deciding the constitutionality of the order. They are taking up the issue of a district Court judge having the power/framework to issue a national injunction. Also clarifying what happens if a particular federal appeals court upholds or strikes one down libtards can't just go to another federal district and keep playing stump the Trump until they win federal lawsuit purgatory aka stall the issue out until his term is over. So what is going to happen is oral arguments. Then they give an opinion which is basically cleaning up congressional laziness in answering a big loophole, then whatever framework they set up the EO goes back to be litigated under that framework. Most likely they will take the most narrow and nothing happening approach and say challenging the presidential executive orders of critical importance has to happen in the D.C. federal circuit. So the cases all move to D.C., citizenship EO blocked and Trump DOJ will spend time fighting it.
Reminder that this ALREADY a constitutional crisis because Congress when it passed the Immigration Nationality Act (1952) that piece of legislation stripped Article 3 courts of their authority over Immigration Cases. The injunctions are ALREADY in violation of the INA which means they are in violation of statute passed by Congress thus it is in direct violation of the US Constitution.
Not only are these judges at war with the executive branch they are also at war with existing statute passed by congress AND the US Constitution.
I certainly hope so. It's gotten way out of control
Quick real life scenario in my case ameribro.
My Canadian mother moved to USA 15 years ago. She has her green card. She married an American citizen and possibly is a citizen now. I don't know I have not spoken to her for 5 years (crazy cunt).
I am trapped in Canada for legal reasons in the past.
What status would that make me in the future after reading your previous statement? Does it change anything in my case and others?
If you were born in the United States and your mother had a Green Card and your father was a US Citizen at the time of your birth then you are a US Citizen by birthright according to the 14th Amendment and the majority SCOTUS opinion in Wong Kim Ark (1898)
If your father was born from an illegal migrant then your fathers citizenship status will be revoked, same for his parents parents, etc. going all the way back to 1929 when the Green Card System was created.
Before 1929 if you entered the country legally by going through its ports, train stations, or one of the many checkpoints along the border then you were considered to have "Permanent Residency" status simply by going through a checkpoint as before 1929 the immigration process was much different and individuals would actually get medical checkups at the border, it was a very different system than after 1929.
And by today's law you're an illegal alien because your ancestors came here illegally because it retroactive. So GTFO.
I too was masterbating to this just now. I came. Now I visit my frens at this pep rally.
I can trace my lineage unbroken to 1805 which means I am covered under the Nationality Act of 1790
Whoa there big fella. I ain’t believing any of this shit until I see millions of shitskins moving away, and housing prices cratering. Until then I tap the sign.
housing prices cratering
Didn't know black rock was run by illegal aliens.
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Yeah streetshitters arent Americans
cool
so when are you hicks heading out?