I was reading about the Contra Celsus...

I was reading about the Contra Celsus, a document written by Christian apologist Origen in 250 AD to a Roman pagan critic of Christianity. I can’t help but think how the conception of religious thought/philosophy in the modern west is so rudimentary and basic compared to thinkers from over 1800 years ago. For example, several years ago there was a major debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye, a Christian literalist and a strict materialist respectively. Both of these views are basically laughed at for being poorly thought out and incoherent conceptions of the world and existence by BOTH Celsus and Origin in the nearly 2000 year old Contra Celsus. Why does modern “intellectual” debate regarding existence seem so dumbed down and limited after all this time and with all of our compiled knowledge available to us? It seems almost artificially enforced.

That’s when I realized - it is. Those who run societally have intentionally dumbed down intellectual discussions regarding metaphysics and epistemology - the discussions involving the nature of reality and knowledge itself - because if this were allowed, humans would at large would be able to attain a far more coherent and logical ability to account for what is and is not true. Take the Holocaust narrative for example, or the strict narrative surrounding evolutionary theory - these things completely fall apart when you try to analyze them from the perspective of philosophy insofar as how true we can actually claim them to be vs how true the modern elite what you to think of them as being. In this assault against classic philosophy the Jews have cut off those of the modern world from truly understanding the Truth - based in Christian thought - in order to relegate us to the literal child tier of intellect our apparent superiors possess.

carefully crafted constantly updating sophisticated social engineering

Evolution is true, Anon.

Also, pixels kill braincells and make prolonged spiritual thought impossible.

Evolution is a fascinating and somewhat logically derived idea of how God might have set in motion the events to spawn the physical form of humanity. It completely fails as a definitive explanation for the origin or variation of species though. I am not a Young Earth Creationist or Biblical literalist to be clear - but the very nature of evolutionary claims makes them completely arbitrary the further back in the past you attempt to apply the concept. The idea that evolution - a process of constant change and alteration in form - can be consistently and uniformly applied across millions of years is self refuting.

The proportion of the population which has both the ability and inclination to engage in any kind of sustained way with sophisticated discussions of philosophy and theology has always been very small

Here's the compelling intellectual argument Christcucks used to convert Pagans to their religion of worshiping a kike on a stick:

convert, or we are going to cut your fucking head off!

The notion that the Christianization of Europe was mostly peaceful and voluntary is historical revisionism which is debunked by the historical record. Though Christcucks will say the opposite of their opponents, it was in fact THEY who were the murderous savages who were intolerant and violent to others. Picrel. No Christcuck can refute these FACTS.

Why does modern “intellectual” debate regarding existence seem so dumbed down and limited

because jews gatekeep the participants

Christianity is the logical and final completion of centuries of Greek and Roman philosophy which understood the parts but could not coherently explain the whole. Jews hate the concept of Christ arriving in the way he did because they wanted a Jewish supersoldier that would conquer the world for them and got a man who eliminated their perceived idea of having “special status” and brought about the destruction of their temple via an Empire that would mass convert to the worship of Christ only a couple of hundred years later - which was not done via the sword but rather through intellectual and philosophical discourse. You ironically share the Jew’s hatred of Jesus for the same reason - he was a “dead man on a stick” and not Jewish Superman. Because it was never about Jews.

That’s when I realized - it is.

Correct.
Philosophy is rarely taught in school. They don't want thinkers, they want machine operators.

Its more than just those running the show preferring sophomoric shitflinging. Origen versus Celsus was in its day, an argument that could and would have only been followed by a learned elite. The average everyday pleb in the late Roman Empire was for the most part unaware of the great intellectual movements within high society. There was no need or even impetus to render down their discourse so that plebs could understand it.

Fast-forward to the present and not only do you have universal literacy, the mediums and efficiency of those mediums would have astounded the men of late antiquity. And yet the pleb is still no more wise or erudite than his semi-literate or even illiterate ancestors and thus Nye versus Ham is a shitshow compared to Origen versus Celsus precisely because it HAS to be for the plebs to follow the discourse. Modern "intellectuals" profit far more from influencing plebs, stoking their outrage and herding them into ideological pens than discussing higher truths with their peers.

That said none of this prevents the truly inclined from picking up a book and educating himself. Those who want to learn will learn, those who do not care to learn will wallow in ignorance. This is the way it has always been and neither the Jew nor anyone else can do all that much to change it.

christinsanity is the final form of aryan life

jews hate a messiah who preaches universalist egalitarianism to the goyim of the despised Roman empire, which less than 100 years after officially adopting the new religion was overrun by wild Teutons

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Evolution is true but Darwin’s theory of evolution is wrong

not really, just incomplete.

Are you implying Origen didn't believe in a literal 6 day Creation and the Flood?

It took 1 billion years for single celled organisms to figure out how to be multicellular. That’s plenty of time for a dice roll to crit.
There are things about evolution that are not understood. It’s probably the case that genetics are sensitive to environmental pressure within biological architecture so it’s not just random dice rolls. But that function evolved though yes, billions of random dice rolls.

“God did it” is a stupid ass explanation, and philosophically the role of God is much much more important than that of a material architect

which was not done via the sword but rather through intellectual and philosophical discourse.

You completely ignored my post and the accompanying infographic which refutes this revisionist lie.

If Christianity actually was all you said then it would not have had to resort to force and violence as it is historically PROVEN that it did. It would have been able to win in the freemarket of ideas if it was legit, but it wasn't.

And now that governments are no longer enforcing the practice of Christianity by force, your religion is slowly dying off. You had to burn people at the stake for "heresy" and behead people in order to keep the west homogenously adhering to your Christcuckery. But now that this FORCE is no longer used, your religion is collapsing like the house of cards it has always been.

That quote is 100% true and is not anti-Christian at all. It is literally written in St. Heggesippus.

Theology isn’t that impressive. They all believed some version of the Babylonian cosmology. They though the world was a very large physical cave and that spirits were real and that Creation was magnificent not incomprehensible

To be clear, in my findings, Roman Catholicism and Protestantism are both corrupted. Logically there can only be one legitimate Christian institution and all signs point to this being those of Orthodox faith. I find it interesting that those who argue against Christianity on the basis of the Fall of Rome frequently forget about the Byzantine Empire (the actual continuation of Rome), which survived for 1000 years beyond the west and was easily the peak of European culture and civilization in its time. Jews of the medieval era seemed to thrive under the protection of the papacy and exploited the western kingdoms who fell from their Roman glory, yet the Byzantines did not have this problem - and from where did the crippling blow to the Byzantines come? From their “fellow” Papal Christian brothers in the west, who were compelled by their Jewish infiltrated leaders to attack what was the prime center of European civilization during the 4th crusade. The power of modern Jewry was cultivated by heretical offshoots of the original faith, I cannot deny that - but this was never a categorical property of Christianity as the ultimate philosophy of existence.

A lot of philosophy sucks especially German philosophy.
Germany only really does poetry well but it only works in German and it’s rather singularly focused in tone

Only Arian-Pelagian-Marcionite Christianity is true. It’s also Aryan, literally, the religion of the Scythians and Medes.

What an idiotic thing to say. Of course it's a kike.

burn people at the stake for heresy

violent conversion

As a follower of the Orthodoxy, these are mainly things that transpired after the schism of 1054 where Papists took over in the west. It is my position the Papists were compromised and are a false church. So we don’t fundamentally disagree.

Automatic L. You're either intentionally or ignorantly conflating evolution (the study of how life forms adapt via natural (or artificial) selection in response to their environment, with abiogenesis.
This is EXACTLY what YEC's do, because they cannot handle acknowledging they're in a retarded fairy tale cult, so they insist that everyone not in their cult is simply wrong.
There's definitely no god because of the problem of infinite regression. If a god "had to" exist to create "the universe" then a universe already existed. It doesn't logically follow, no matter how much bullshit you try and pull to talk yourself into believing.

Correct. We are rewarding a bunch of retarded middle-eastern cult members (not dissimilar to muzzies) with reverence simply because their followers genocided our native European religions. Fuck that shit. Even that part is extremely jewish and hard for me to handle, I don't know how the fuck christcucks can cope with worshipping a jewish false prophet.

You shouldn't simply be fine with there being 500 different versions of your book. That's where you're fucking up. It's like picking a sports team at that point. Totally meaningless. Your infantile desire for an afterlife and loving sky daddy is what got you there. Your willful ignorance is what keeps you there.

If you have ANY spiritual beliefs whatsoever, you're a fucking moron. Period.
It's called the "supernatural" because by definition its impossible. Otherwise it would just be natural.

They're all compromised, and all false.
That's the secret.

contra celsus was published with an audience of educated noblemen in mind. bill nye vs ken ham was made with the lowest common denominator in mind. you have to dumb things down if you're going to let every retarded peasant and woman in on it, blame democracy

I understand abiogenesis is a separate topic. I do not categorically deny the theory of evolution as a means of explaining species variation but it relies far too much on extreme interpretations and extrapolations of data from millions of years in the past that could very well be extremely unreliable due to the limits of our knowledge.

Have you tried Hegel?.

Truth is you have no fucking idea what Celsus thought and wrote, because all we now about him is what a turbo christcuck like Origen wrote AGAINST him, everything else having been destroyed by kikes, and christcucks

Shut the fuck up you retarded mutt fuck

If you have ANY spiritual beliefs whatsoever, you're a fucking moron. Period.

What do you define as a spiritual belief? Anything immaterial? Because rationality and logic which you are trying to appeal to are fundamentally intangible and metaphysical concepts that do not have a material existence.

It makes predictions based on observation and they always end up being testably true. That's it.

The funny thing about Christianity is that the most grievous blows to Christendom have been self-inflicted. The Protestant reformation and the various other schisms within the church have done more damage to Christianity than Islam, Judaism, and all of the other religions and creeds in the world combined. Christians for most of history have been incapable of agreeing to disagree on doctrinal differences and have slaughtered each other over theological minutiae. Only now under the pressure of various strains of secularism will Christians refrain from sectarian violence.

Hitler said the opposite. Which means you are most likely a Kike.

He didn’t

In two cases, Origen points out problems in the literal interpretations of Biblical passages that Celsus himself had overlooked: the contradictory genealogies of Jesus given in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, and the impossibility that Noah's Ark, if built according to the supposed measurements given in the Book of Genesis, could have held all the animals it is supposed to have held. Based on these examples, Origen attempts to show that Celsus's criticism is based on too literal interpretation of the Bible and therefore flawed

These problems are due to mechanisms which helped Christianity monopolize all religion in the first place.
Islam did it by having thugs ruling over retards.

Origen

Was a sexual deviant who tried to change things for the benefit of other sodomites.

Hitler was a great statesman but something of a poor historian. He was a man with a thorough grounding in and grasp of his time but his views of the distant past and the whole of history were sophomoric at best.

Interesting continuation of this:

Origen is also refuting the ideas of fellow Christians whom he regarded as misinformed. For instance, in the act of denying Celsus's charge that Christians believed that their God was a wrathful old man who lived in the sky, Origen was also confronting Christians who actually believed this. He defends statements in the Bible promising that the wicked will be punished with fire by insisting, "...the Logos, accommodating itself to what is appropriate to the masses who will read the Bible, wisely utters threatening words with a hidden meaning to frighten people who cannot in any other way turn from the flood of iniquities". Origen responds to Celsus's accusation that Christians denigrate reason and education in favor of faith by arguing that, while Christians do believe things on the basis of faith, this faith can be rationally justified; however, because few people are interested in the philosophical justification behind the religion, it is not normally taught, except to the wise.

Completely unfounded but interesting outlook

[Celsus] had accused Jesus of performing his miracles using black magic rather than actual divine powers and of plagiarizing his teachings from Plato.

Wow.

Fell for the trap

Jesus wasn't even a real person, dummy

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Those who run societally have intentionally dumbed down intellectual discussions

single celled organisms just became multicellular because they just did okay!? Just trust me.

the idea that there was a driving force is dumb lol

Yes quite ironic I know.

(((Those who run societally)))

rationally justified;

Lmao, there's literally nothing rational about Origen's faith and interpretation of kikestianity, faggot was a fraud and a liar

single celled organisms just became multicellular because they just did okay!? Just trust me.

Mate we have watched single-celled organsims become multicellular in a test tube

What are you talking about? Origen says that non-Christians teach that floods happen in cycles of time. And he, Origen, says it occurred by God's acting.

Whether, then, there are cycles of time, and floods, or conflagrations which occur periodically or not, and whether the Scripture is aware of this, not only in many passages, but especially where Solomon says, What is the thing which has been? Even that which shall be. And what is the thing which has been done? Even that which shall be done, etc., etc., belongs not to the present occasion to discuss. For it is sufficient only to observe, that Moses and certain of the prophets, being men of very great antiquity, did not receive from others the statements relating to the (future) conflagration of the world; but, on the contrary (if we must attend to the matter of time ), others rather misunderstanding them, and not inquiring accurately into their statements, invented the fiction of the same events recurring at certain intervals, and differing neither in their essential nor accidental qualities. But we do not refer either the deluge or the conflagration to cycles and planetary periods; but the cause of them we declare to be the extensive prevalence of wickedness, and its (consequent) removal by a deluge or a conflagration.

There is no proof Origen was a serial deviant, and Eusiebius' use of the word "Eunuch" could be celibate, as he described St. Melito.

Actually it’s entirely rational. The unique nature of the Christian Trinity is the only philosophical worldview that comprehensively accounts for all metaphysical things (including knowledge, love, human relationships, etc). Pythagoreans notably pointed out the importance of 3 in the nature of being/creation but did not have a way to fully articulate this and Plato notably understood the requirements of fundamental essences for knowledge to exist in the first place but he too was not able to completely articulate his worldview because the Logos had not yet come. When the Logos did come it provided the final answer to the questions that still remained in these philosophies which is why it was so compelling - a mere story put together by conmen coincidentally managing to satisfy all of the most pressing and elusive questions that still remained in the philosophy of existence is quite a claim.

Floods do occur but the specific story of Noah’s Ark is not meant to be read completely literally, according to him - which I would agree with.

"...the Logos, accommodating itself to what is appropriate to the masses who will read the Bible, wisely utters threatening words with a hidden meaning to frighten people who cannot in any other way turn from the flood of iniquities"

Logos: Reason

the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.

Origen did not say that. Are you quoting ChatGPT? I just showed you the passage in Contra Celcus.

Exactly. The realization that Christian thought fully and completely provides the basis for all reason made me change my mind on it being an irrational religion. It fundamentally explains why rationality and logical deduction even matters or exists within us.

Where does he elaborate on the literal occurrence of Noah’s Ark in what you quoted? His point is that God cleanses the world through intentional acts in response to wickedness or other things that would upset his ultimate plan to institute the realization of Logos in man. Things happen the way they do because they have to according to His will. This does not necessitate literally thinking Noah put all the animals in the world on a boat.

Actually it’s entirely rational.

No it isn't
Even your attempt to equate the christcuck trinity nonsense to trigonometry and neoplatonism is entirely irrational - you're not even reasoning, just asserting some kind of correspondence between rational philosophy and arbitrary theology because it fits your jewish belief system
But that doesn't even begin to describe the irrationality of Origen's view of christcuckery, which was that the jew on the stick tricked satan' by ransoming humanity with his sacrifice and resurrection, which is obviously, batshit fucking crazy

I do not think any single man has a truly comprehensive idea of Christianity - it is inherently mystic and that’s why the councils were formed, so I won’t pretend Origen or anyone else has the definitively and wholly correct take on things we can only speculate by nature. That said, you seem to lack the understanding that all philosophies prior to the Christian Trinity had fundamental problems that failed to fully explain all facets of existence in a coherent way, and that the Logos literally appearing among man to allow humans to fully articulate Him in a way they couldn’t before led to this realization.

Do you seriously need a translator for English? You made the claim that Origen denied the Flood and Noah's Ark and you have not posted one passage from Origen himself.

Why should we not rather admire a structure which resembled an extensive city, if its measurements be taken to mean what they are capable of meaning, so that it was nine myriads of cubits long in the base, and two thousand five hundred in breadth? And why should we not admire the design evinced in having it so compactly built, and rendered capable of sustaining a tempest which caused a deluge? For it was not daubed with pitch, or any material of that kind, but was securely coated with bitumen. And is it not a subject of admiration, that by the providential arrangement of God, the elements of all the races were brought into it, that the earth might receive again the seeds of all living things, while God made use of a most righteous man to be the progenitor of those who were to be born after the deluge?

You are a Kike aren't you? Accusing the brethren like your father.

he thinks logos originated with christcuckery

Your mind is gone, raped to death by kikes I'm sorry to say

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God (Logos) created the heavens and the earth.

It isn't physical creation. It's a thought. The first thought.

Why does modern “intellectual” debate regarding existence seem so dumbed down and limited after all this time and with all of our compiled knowledge available to us?

We have lost our perspective and our theological roots as a civilization due to post/modernist schools of thought and the influences thereof which resulted in the aftermath we see now like you mentioned. The solution is to return to traditional values and reconnect with the roots that allowed our civilizations to grow great in the first place

questioned all earthly powers

He is either insincere, or a terminal neophyte who didn't even bother to read the epistle to ROMANS, especially chapter 13. When the bible itself recognizes and doesn't question the authority of Satan himself over this world, then this is a stretch, considering Rome was a State that both profited and suicided by expansion

Logos has always been present in man. We’re made in God’s image. This is why the Greek philosophers were able to make such profound statements about existence and the world. But because this was prior to the Logos taking human form, we were fundamentally unable to see the whole picture. It’s quite simple

He is pointing out that the fundamental message of the story is admirable and a valuable lesson that has real spiritual validity, and that logical thought was put into how such an Ark would be constructed. The point is that it is an intelligently constructed story which serves its intended purpose.

he thinks logos originated with christcuckery

John 1:1 : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

QED

No, he is pointing out that it is something to be marveled at, not ridiculed as Celcus does. You must be a kike, I refuse to accept you are just that stupid.

Yes. The story of Noah’s Ark is to be marveled at as a well constructed allegory for basic spiritual truths. I think you are taking a pedantic view on this. You can also look at Origen pointing out that the myths that the pagans believed are ridiculous when taken at face value as well, but the point was that they held spiritual truths and that Celsus obviously did not think the stories of the Odyssey for example were just surface level retellings of actual events

Evolution is a fascinating and somewhat logically derived idea of how God might have set in motion the events to spawn the physical form of humanity.

Except Genesis makes it very clear that death only occurred due to Adam's sin. Theistic Evolution isn't possible

I think you are a kike that hasn't quoted Origen one time to substantiate your bullshit. All your greentexts have been commentaries that sound like Google Gemini.

I think that obviously refers to death of the soul (which prior to Adam and Eve did not exist), not simple physical death. There is no reason why God would keep animals or plants physically immortal prior to Adam and Eve’s fall.

IQ is a lot lower now than it was then. The human race has been pushed forward by a bunch of hardworking geniuses but meanwhile the mob grows ever dumber and lazier

Point taken about Byz. I've been listening to some Laurent Guyenot streams re: revisionist timeline wrt Byz and am intrigued by the potential of what events/ideas have been obscured

I think that obviously refers to death of the soul

Actually it doesn't, Adam and Eve were explicitly banished from the Garden lest they eat from the tree of life and live forever.

It's not dumbed down. It's just not seeped in the paradigm of ancient greek philosophy. Instead it's framed largely in terms of cartesian dualism and the modern mechanical worldview. You're not enlightened by falling for exotic sounding ancient semi-mystical philosophy though, you're just ignorant about ideological development and got one-shotted by whatever sounded philosophically pretentious enough for you.

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Christianity is the logical and final completion of centuries of Greek and Roman philosophy

check him pc
this is not normally

Adam and Eve were the bridge of the material and spiritual. They could live forever because they were gifted an eternal soul, but this soul was bound to the physical decay of the body when they strayed from God as a necessary aspect of allowing humans to attain mature consciousness and the ability to think thus permitting free will. Animals and plants do not possess souls and thus are part of the material world which is finite, not eternal. The material world only being made impermanent after Adam and Eve strayed would contradict the fundamental difference that separated the material world from the spiritual

the Truth - based in Christian thought

Oxymoron

Theologians are just as advanced today as back then. You're looking for deep theological takes from brown zoomers on Anon Babble. Ofc you're gonna get nigger tier takes.

I wonder if troons will still be insisting they are women 1800 years after they lost the debate as well?

Animals and plants do not possess souls and thus are part of the material world which is finite, not eternal.

I disagree, I think that the material/spiritual world divide isn't (or at least wasn't) as wide a gap as you posit (see the infamous Genesis 6). I think the fall of man introduced entropy to the world, which is what makes the material finite. I think this process was accelerated due to the flood

Not an expert in this but if Origen promoted the trinity then he not only lacks all logos but he’s a fucking retard because the trinity is irrational to its core.

the Trinity is irrational

how so?

these are mainly things that transpired after the schism of 1054

Pretty much all the stuff in that infographic is from like the 300s all the way up to 988 (at the latest).

Are you some retard who can't read, a disingenuous shill who refuses to, or are you some automated chatbot which cannot give a coherent response to what's been said? In any case, no matter which one of those three you are, it reflects poorly on the state of Christianity nowadays when this is what represents them in the freemarket of ideas. Like I said, you Christcucks are hopeless when your kike religion isn't being propped up by the force of the state.

Your logic is not correct either and assumes a static universe

If you have ANY spiritual beliefs whatsoever, you're a fucking moron. Period.

Oh wow I didn’t even get to this LOL. Fuck off, retard

Because it’s inherently contradictory if God is three individuals with each being omnipotent and omniscient.

Christian thought fully and completely provides the basis for all reason

Paul's doctrine is based on Faith, aka believing what is not seen, aka abandoning Reason and our lying eyes and just trusting the plan

I suppose my takeaway on this is that, before humans were fully conscious, the concept of death or time passing wasn’t really relevant. Animals living and dying in a time before human consciousness could perceive and understand it fundamentally shifts this idea - entropy is not “realized” until humans are actually able to notice it. I’m not an expert by any means but obviously there’s a lot of interpretations you could pull regarding the specifics here - but the fundamental point of what it’s introducing remains the same which is the important part.

Christians hecking enforced a spiritually cohesive society ahhh!!!

I thought the narrative was that “Christcucks” are made weak or something. Point being particularly egregious examples of cruelty like burnings at the stake were not original tenets of the creed.

All doctrines and worldviews are based on faiths and assumptions. Atheists assume that logic and reason are real and trustworthy and that the truth is a real objective thing given they constantly argue about being right but they can’t explain why this would actually be the case or why they are compelled to argue for an idea in the first place.

You couldn't post a pic more correct than this.

You’re an idiot. Stop lying. Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes in the Ukraine conflict. If you took the “vaxx” you’re fucked.

Quality top tier post.
People don't even know what epistemology means, and philosophy is to them sitting on toilet while shitting and pondering if you could ride a horse while underwater or some other dumb thing.

You are interested in philosophy? You nerd, you like letters and stuff idiot? At least you could go and earn some buck, that's what matters!

The stupidity around the world is as if reaching its limits, but then it surpasses and goes even beyond. It was always like that, but now, it's the end times and things are especially fricked up dude.

The Eastern Orthodoxy Christianity provides a worldview which is so refined and pure, coming out of 2000 years of saints counsels etc. that it's sweet like honey, compared to the garbage goy-slop you get served daily by everything.

Everyone has a philosophy, it's unavoidable, everyone is a philosopher, but rarely one even knows that. People just grab whatever shit opinion a well dressed "scientific" authority provides them, and that the "truth".
Of course it all falls apart if you know the right two or three questions, and they get all angry and red because you just demonstrated their stupidity.

" because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

It's not a matter of logical arguments for most of the people. It's a spiritual issue.
If don't repent - you hate the truth - you are blinded by sin - by your own choice - you are stupid.
That's how it goes

Adam and Eve were certainly very childlike in the way they could perceive things. I'm of the opinion it was always God's plan that they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, only that Satan convinced them to eat it too early which necessitates a savior in christ.

entropy is not “realized” until humans are actually able to notice it.

Fascinating thought.

The printing press allowed dumb niggers like Bill Neighburg to falsely claim being an intellectual.

I thought the narrative was that “Christcucks” are made weak or something.

You are weak in the freemarket of ideas. That's why you have to burn Pagan libraries. You cannot defeat the messenger with facts and logic, so you resort to violence. That is a sign of weakness on your part. It also contradicts your kike on a stick's teachings also btw.

Point being particularly egregious examples of cruelty like burnings at the stake were not original tenets of the creed.

You tried to pass this off as being the result of the schism of 1054, but I showed you're full of shit because Christians were doing their "summer of love" BLM-style Burn, Loot, and Murder Iconclasm shenanigans since the 300s. Long before 1054. So no, it is not due to that Schism at all.

But what happened in the 300s which caused this? That was the time when Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire. Prior to that, you may have been able to maintain your LARP of being pacifist hippies, but the moment you got the upper hand and were powerful enough to do so, you quickly shifted into your true form of being tyrannical bullies on par with ISIS or Al Qaeda.

You're no different than Islamic Jihadists, except that you worship a different desert Semite. That's all.

You don't know what Christianity is.
You haven't touched the Bible or any writings of the Church Fathers.

All you have is >people bad therefore it false

Are you really that stupid?
These things you speak of have nothing to do with Eastern Orthodoxy.
There is no "convert by violence" thing in Eastern Orthodoxy worldview at all, and if people did it, they either weren't Eastern Orthodox, or they were in error, it's really that simple.

But you don't want to talk about the true and the false. You just want to slander and express your hatred, don't you?

They aren’t three individuals. Personhood and essence are not identical. An individual human has distinct essence, God does not; He is one in essence. Within Him is three personhoods that know each other, this is possible because He is infinite/uncreated. This is why humans are able to love those persons outside of ourselves despite being unable to know anyone’s essence but our own as we are in the image of God.

but 1+1+1=3 haha you stupid

Get ready for such replies fren.
The mystery of the Trinity is really not something for the unbelievers

This is the most low IQ drivel mental gymnastics about the trinity I’ve ever heard.

You just now realizing?

We are living in a dumber degenerate age

Having more advanced technology doesn't not make us wiser rather the opposite

Why can humans feel selfless love for others if God is a singular being who does not innately contain this element as part of his nature? If we were made in God’s image and God is a singular person we would not have the capacity to relate to that which is beyond our own personhood

Your god was circumcised and was called "rabbi" 16 times in the Bible, mostly by his own apostles. Exodus is fiction and Egypt never enslaved jews.

Again the dumbest argument I’ve heard. I’ve argued with smarter trinitarians. Might as well just say 1x1x1= 1

Now tell me how you feel about Marcion.

Celsus had warned that Christianity itself was drawing people away from traditional religion and claimed that its growth would lead to a collapse of traditional, conservative values.

And he was right.

Talmudic rabbinic judaism came out of babylon couple hundred years after Jesus died for us.
This talmudic satanic pedophilia cult is not even close to what jews of the Old Testament were doing.

Word-concept fallacy

Exodus is fiction and Egypt never enslaved jews

Well if you say so, it must be the truth!

I recommend reading at least few pages of Acts, you might get a slight hint of what Christianity really is and how it relates to the jews (hint: jews are kind of thing of the past, didnt you get the memo? the memo is 2 thousand years old)

I used to believe main and read all sorts of exoteric and esoteric ancient and medieval history, until I discover the "New/Revised Chronology" of Fomenko, Newton, Kammeier, Müller, Heinsohn (RIP, big guy), Baldauf, Hardouin, Johnson, etc.). This theory completely shattered my previous worldview and I ALMOST wish I had never discovered it...

In summation: Antiquity appears to be nothing more than an Gregorian fabrication in its entirely. There were no "Dark Ages" as it is conceived of today. We can eliminate ~700 years from the first millennium, at the very least.

ARTICLES & BOOKS (Followed by videos/documentaries)
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How Fake Is Roman Antiquity? (Part I)

unz.com/article/how-fake-is-roman-antiquity/

How Fake Is Church History? - The Gregorian Coup and the Birthright Theft (Part II)

unz.com/article/how-fake-is-church-history/

[BEST INTRODUCTION/OVERVIEW OF THIS TOPIC]
unz.com/article/how-long-was-the-first-millenium

The History of Rome has no Surviving Sources:

stolenhistory.net/threads/the-history-of-rome-has-no-surviving-sources.2057

79 A.D. no more: Pompeii got buried in 1631

stolenhistory.net/threads/79-a-d-no-more-pompeii-got-buried-in-1631.113

Revision in Islamic Chronology and Geography

unz.com/article/revision-in-islamic-chronology-and-geography/

Isssue with Dark Ages by Anatoly Fomenko

ePub:

files.catbox.moe/81aj7z.epub

PDF:

files.catbox.moe/053lko.pdf

History: Fiction or Science Vol. I by Anatoly Fomenko

archive.org/details/bub_gb_YcjFAV4WZ9MC
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VIDEOS
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The Issue with Chronology (Book Review)

youtu.be/7iOqCGYpJAw

New Chronology by Anatoly Fomenko [ENG SUBS]

Did Ancient Greece Really Exist?

youtu.be/HvKNRGahDsw

Gunnar Heinsohn 2016 Toronto Presentation

youtu.be/c876lPZ-UZU

HistoryGate Documentary

youtu.be/Sdw9s-_mY20

Pseudointellectual nonsense. Catholocism is just as bad as judaism.

I understood perfectly well what his thesis is, why are you pretending not to understand what he's saying? or are you the dumb one here?

All doctrines and worldviews are based on faiths and assumptions

That's ridiculous. Christianity is blind Plan Trusting, you must suspend your rationality and press the Believe button, believe a god-man walked on water, casted out demons, rose from the dead, etc. based on what amounts to hearsay. Outsourcing your mind and spirit to men in fancy robes and hats

bible kikes arent kike kikes

yes they are and it's obvious to anyone who has read the Old Testament

you totally ignored my infographic

Lmfao fag

All doctrines and worldviews are based on faiths and assumptions

That's ridiculous.

explain.

it's the same way it was before.

I trust my own rationality!!

why

because I just do okay! Don’t question my faith!

Very astute!

Pole

praising Eastern Orthodoxy

I thought your country was Catholic?

explain

look here what is that Greek word "elenchos"? (look it up) Paul there defines "faith" as the elenchos of things not seen. It's therefore a Hoper's substitute for Reasoning. The demand to suspend rationality and instead Believe the outrageous tales--often "miracles"--is not applicable to all worldviews.

Is “reasoning” seen?

your "reason" is depraved

Ahhh I consider myself fortunate for having found the following text when I was just on the cusp of adulthood. I printed the book on a University dot matrix printer and still have the copy.

Such people as can be prevailed upon to believe, that their reason is depraved, may easily be led by the nose, and duped into superstition at the pleasure of those in whom they confide, and there remain from generation to generation: for when they throw by the law of reason the only one which God gave them to direct them in their speculations and duty, they are exposed to ignorant or insidious teachers, and also to their own irregular passions, and to the folly and enthusiasm of those about them, which nothing but reason can prevent or restrain

t. Ethan Allen, Reason: The Only Oracle of Man

Evolution is incompatible with the order of creation on every level

That’s great and all but you still haven’t explained what you think reason is or where it comes from or why it should be followed.

"rationality" is a universal default position that must be "suspended" to access its replacement, "faith"(which can only ever be a complete replacement and has no compatibility with "rationality" because of my arbitrary framing that lets me show off i know a greek word)

you start with so many flawed priors, it's hard to know what you'll accept or reject as common ground

i sense you're engaging in good faith, but your arguments just aren't very sophisticated, no matter how much greek you ejaculate (look it up)

Hegel is actually the very worst.

single-minded pre-suppositional apologetics

Check out these two books written by Deists wherein they absolutely dismantle Christianity using their God-given gift of Reason

Ethan Allen - Reason: the Only Oracle of Man

Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason

there’s no reason why god

Are you seriously thinking that you have a fucking clue what God would do or not

This is just a shitty version of pagan animism.

I have no basis to believe anyone should think anything, but you should listen to me because I’m right

Nice

Arian-Nestorian Christianity is correct.

There’s no reason why Logos would incarnate as a man and eternally exist that way, especially not through a Jewish woman in the guise of the Syrian fish goddess.
Jesus of Nazareth is a literary figure than never existed.

God is the Father and is Mind, Logos proceeds from Him and is Mind reckoning mortality, which is time, which is cause and effect, which is the law of non-contradiction, which is logic. Proceeding from Logos (reality) is the Holy Spirit or rather, conscience and the natural law. The knowledge of God, the discernment of ideas in the human mind, the desire for being and meaning.

A great consequential man who acts with mighty thought and moral rectitude is inhabited by the Holy Spirit and becomes an avatar of Logos, a pure product of Logos and an instrument through will of Logos.

Christ means, essentially, the reborn. It refers to how Logos will be reborn at the end of time as the Father, the eternal mind.

It’s not “just philosophy” because there’s no natural explanation for existence or consciousness. There’s a something behind it and the Holy Spirit reveals that something to us.

This is what the ancient Aryans believed. Their trinity is a descent from the divine into the mortal. Elements of this ended up in the authentic and original hermetic doctrines. Christianity and Platonism come from this.

Salvation is when we allow the Holy Spirit to align our will with Christ’s so that that portion of us will have place within the rebirth of Logos as the Father.

To make it clear, the rebirth into eternity is beyond temporality, so it’s neither an event nor a teleological outcome of “Christ’s work”. Rather, it’s a bit of an as above so below principle of something is inscribed in heaven, like an entanglement of our mortal soul with something eternal, as our deeds and words are inscribed into history, “the Word”. It’s helpful to think of history itself as the body of Christ.

The Eucharist isn’t Christian. It was the sacrament of Ninus the grain god, who had been baptized by Oannes (John). This relates to heterodox Christianity as a Gnostic cult made of Egypto-Babylonian nonsense.

good

bro hold your horses

based

Christ Is King

Daily reminder

One curious thing about christianity is that it has dominated the world for 2000 years, it has several anti-jewish statements in its holy book, the great majority of early Christians were White Romans and for most of its history it was White. Despite all that, why do kikes still exist?

Based glowie

claims a Jew is the Messiah

why are the Jews still here?

The world is dominated by evil until the Second Coming. The Bible is a religious account of how Jews are the embodiment of evil. Is this not shockingly accurate in terms of the state of the modern world?

Christianity is the logical and final completion of centuries of Greek and Roman philosophy which understood the parts but could not coherently explain the whole. Jews hate the concept of Christ arriving in th

true

the Truth - based in Christian thought -

This right here is going to be a problem, since christianity is itself a jewish lie. The only proof you have any of it is real is the word of jews.

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But the trinity is a pagan concept incorporated later by the christians.

Reason taking human form.

Actually it’s entirely rational.

Pick one.

the Trinity is a pagan concept later incorporated by the Christians

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, all unified under the essence of one God, is clearly laid out in the NT. Point to an example of the Trinity in paganism that isn’t 3 distinct gods.

The Logos is a Divine Person, Jesus Christ, who was Incarnate by the Ever-Virgin Mary, and took on human nature, becoming Man, and so possesses a fully divine nature and a fully human nature.

Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter.

Furthermore, modern scholars say that the concept of the trinity was borrowed by Christians from the pagan philosopher Porphyry. I don't think that is the exact case but it shows that it is one thing that even academic circles admit.

unique

christianity

legos

i just wish these people could be helped. just give them even the least bit of initiative to look outside of their box and they would see it was all done before, in a purer way. no hoop jumping required, no belief or faith necessary, just remembering what you already knew.

The U.S.S. Enterprise, under the command of Captain James T. Kirk, famously encountered the god-like being known as Q in the episode "Encounter at Farpoint," which marked the beginning of a complex relationship between humanity and the Q Continuum.

Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter

All possess different wills and conflict with each other. Not even close. The Christian Trinity is personal, not impersonal as Porphyry’s concept was a development that was posited after the Christian Trinity and is also impersonal/hierarchical.

The "logos" is reason in greek, it cannot be a person and has nothing to do with jewish superstitions.

The point is the Logos coming as man provided the comprehensive answer for the source of reason for humans who did not have access to it before it manifested in human form. There was always a gap in understanding beforehand because of the delineation between the spiritual realm and the material.

All possess different wills and conflict with each other.

I do not think this to be the case, can concepts like unity and intellect have wills?

Eastern mysticism/dualism

would be nice if we could finally outgrow the fantastical copes regarding end-of-life. we were almost there...

The old conception of Antiquity and Christianity establishes a difference between body and soul. They have a different origin: the body is of terrestrial and material origin, and the soul of divine and spiritual essence. Each follows a different destiny: the body dies and decomposes, the soul is immortal and continues to live after death. They also have a very contrasted value: the body is a source of instinct, baseness, inferiority and vileness; the soul is the basis of the great and the beautiful, that is, of absolute value. An insurmountable gulf separates them. The body, impure and profane, is what keeps the soul chained down, away from the celestial heights it is destined to soar to. Our Worldview, with its biologic𝗮l principles contr𝗮dict those views of 𝗮 dec𝗮dent 𝗮nd 𝗮gonizing terrestri𝗮l world. We know that these two aspects, soul and body, have been given to us by the Creator. Both are the manifestation of the divine nature, always creative, eternal and active. We know what our ancestors have passed on to us and we will in turn pass the same unto our children. We know that the nobility and purity of our body are also those of our soul. We know th𝗮t our body 𝗮nd our soul, 𝗮fter 𝗮ll, 𝗮re only one.

- SS Lt-General Ludwig Eckstein "Body and Soul", Guidance Handbooks (Leitheft), SS-Hauptamt (SS Main Office)

humans who did not have access to it before it manifested in human form.

Everyone had access to reason, our very souls are reason, your statemen is ludicrous.

Logos is logic

It's a shame we can't read Celsus because christcucks destroyed anything that called out their jew cult

Obviously. Man is made in the image of God. The Logos is the first thing in creation (hence the logical structure of reality). But man was not able to fully grasp the source of it as I said. When Christ came this was made ultimately clear (the Trinity)

The pagan gods you referred to were anthropomorphized and had human wills projected onto them. The will of God is intrinsically linked with the very idea of there being reason/truth because this is what allows for something being true or false in essence. Hence, the ability to be wrong or right, which is the fundamental requirement for consciousness/free will. God having the will of creation is why humans have will.

But man was not able to fully grasp the source of it as I said.

Doesn't the name Plato ring any bell for you?

Logically there can only be one legitimate Christian institution and all signs point to this being those of Orthodox faith.

The different orthodox churches can't even agree with each other, so how could they be "one legitimate Christian institution"? They're barely better than protestants.

"We venerate this Church as one, the Lord having said by the mouth of the prophet: ‘Deliver, O God, my soul from the sword and my only one from the hand of the dog.’ [Ps 21:20] He has prayed for his soul, that is for himself, heart and body; and this body, that is to say, the Church, He has called one because of the unity of the Spouse, of the faith, of the sacraments, and of the charity of the Church. This is the tunic of the Lord, the seamless tunic, which was not rent but which was cast by lot [Jn 19:23- 24]. Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two heads like a monster; that is, Christ and the Vicar of Christ, Peter and the successor of Peter, since the Lord speaking to Peter Himself said: ‘Feed my sheep‘ [Jn 21:17], meaning, my sheep in general, not these, nor those in particular, whence we understand that He entrusted all to him [Peter]. Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John ‘there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.’ We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. "

The pagan gods you referred to were anthropomorphized and had human wills projected onto them.

That is mythology, not the actual theology.

The problem of the one and the many was never solved under Platonism. There was still ambiguity in creation. Christians viewed Plato as having some of the closest insight into the Logos a human being could have before Christ though which is why he is among those souls that is retroactively restored.

If we get too academic it is its own word, but for the spanish phiology it is reason.

Protestants reject apostolic succession, deny the real presence in the Eucharist, and are theologically fragmented with no common sacramental life or ecclesiology. Orthodox Churches, despite some canonical disputes share identical dogma, the same Divine Liturgy, the same seven sacraments, and unbroken apostolic lineage.

Your quote is papalist nonsense from 1000 years after the first councils which contradicts early doctrine. I shouldn’t have to elaborate papists being fallen given the distinction between the power Jews were able to amass under papist Europe vs under Byzantium

and yet you posted a picture of a fucking video game, so your opinions are obviously dumb as fuck.

How’d you know it was a video game?

Protestants reject apostolic succession, deny the real presence in the Eucharist, and are theologically fragmented with no common sacramental life or ecclesiology. Orthodox Churches, despite some canonical disputes share identical dogma, the same Divine Liturgy, the same seven sacraments, and unbroken apostolic lineage.

I know all of that. I did say that orthodox were still better than protestants. There's still no reason to believe that there should be more than just one church.

Your quote is papalist nonsense from 1000 years after the first councils which contradicts early doctrine.

It's not nonsense. If it were, you would be able te debunk it.

I shouldn’t have to elaborate papists being fallen given the distinction between the power Jews were able to amass under papist Europe vs under Byzantium

That's a completely different topic, and the treatment of Jews in Catholic regions varied depending on the area and year. I'll still point out that they were often targets of inquisitions and also that the whole "kicked out of 109 countries" meme was almost entirely a Catholic phenomenon. Jews became powerful after protestantism and freemasonry became powerful, and those are both sworn enemies of the church.

The problem of the one and the many was never solved under Platonism.

What problem?

There was still ambiguity in creation.

Ha, funny to say, because the catolich catecism about creation is ambiguous, the platonic one is better.

I think creatures can develop within their phylum. But I think this development is not evolution as such. That is, it’s not the result of random mutations. I believe God imbued all creatures with the ability to adapt.
Only a tard without any understanding of genetics would believe in random mutation viz evolution. Have you any idea how many genes are involved in a given trait? Let’s say it’s on the low end…like 10,000 genes. Do you actually believe that all 10,000 could spontaneously mutate at the same time; and then for that trait to be of such significance in competition for a mate that it’s preserved in succeeding offspring?
The chances of all that happening are less than zero.
Interesting how science always btfos science.

There is good reason for multiple churches. It supports independent nations functioning as distinct ethnic blocs to express their unique identities while still revering Christ under a united doctrine. The monocultural, nation transcending nature of papacy is proto globohomo

No single church is the answer. People should rotate between the most based ones, dropping one when they get too arrogant and corrupt. Make them compete for the recognition of the people.

The monocultural, nation transcending nature of papacy is proto globohomo

Christianity is inherently nation-transcending. You can't be a nationalist and a Christian at the same time.

The one and the many problem. Multiple changing things sharing one essence. A tree, humans, etc. He proposed the idea of forms existing to answer how this could be from a single monosource but that leads to a circular explanation (the form of man takes after the form of man - where does that form come from? The form of man… etc) and is impersonal (it does not explain why people would have an idea of right and wrong, the true and the false, etc if there was no personal will inherent in the original source to grant humans this ability)

Christianity explains the basis of reason and reality, and why truth exists and why humans are compelled to it. This does not require humans give up the concept of ethnocentrism, nation states etc. anymore than it requires them to give up obligations to their family for example. Orthodoxy actually supports such things as unique and valuable reflections of the diversity in humanity while still participating in the Body of Christ. Papists follow the heretical idea of an ultimate, singular Pope as the authority which is in opposition to independent national expressions of the church existing, obviously.

Anon Babbletard doesn't know about apologetics, insists it mustn't exist

The Orthodox church literally trafficks drugs kek

dw.com/en/greek-orthodox-priest-attacks-bishops-with-acid/a-58025074

Multiple changing things sharing one essence

The gods participate of the essence of the One.

it does not explain why people would have an idea of right and wrong

The One is the Good, taking part in the good is taking part in the One. The more virtuous the more close to the gods.

where does that form come from?

From the world of forms [A god think in us (aryans) to not be ambiguous]

Also, pixels kill braincells and make prolonged spiritual thought impossible.

Wait what?

Christianity explains the basis of reason and reality

Yes, and it explains that our reality as it is now doesn't really matter except in what we do that will determine our place in the afterlife. Caring about ethnicity and nations means that you're still attached to this life and to this earth and, at best, you're an incomplete Christian. International conflicts don't matter. In the end, everyone is gonna die, then everyone is going to be resurrected, judged, and some people will end up in hell and other people will end up living forever in New Jerusalem.

It is too late now...

except in what we do that will determine our place in the afterlife. Caring about ethnicity and nations means that you're still attached to this life and to this earth and, at best, you're an incomplete Christian.

You’re called to contribute to the spirit of goodness, of creation and life, and to oppose wickedness. Preserving unique cultures against insidious and malicious ideas which seek to destroy them (eg targeted mass migration) is perfectly in coherence with this, not opposed to it.

You’re called to contribute to the spirit of goodness, of creation and life, and to oppose wickedness.

As defined by God, not by you.

Preserving unique cultures against insidious and malicious ideas which seek to destroy them (eg targeted mass migration) is perfectly in coherence with this, not opposed to it.

I don't remember anything about this in the new testament, despite Jesus and the apostles living in the largest multicultural society that that world had ever seen. Let's see what they said instead.

Galatians 3:26-28

26 Through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves in Christ. 28 There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free man, there is no longer male or female. For all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

26 Through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves in Christ. 28 There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free man, there is no longer male or female. For all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

This establishes all of creation comes from one essence. Do you unironically think this meant that for example men and women were literally the same and to be treated as exactly equal on Earth? Obviously not and this was never supported by the church. Do you really think obviously evil actions like the targeted destruction of a prosperous Europe by people who actively reject Christ is just supposed to be accepted and would not be considered an act of wickedness and hatred to be opposed by morally just people? We all understand that this is a morally sick thing motivated by darkness, God gave us the ability to understand that and feel the righteous anger it causes in the first place.

Do you unironically think this meant that for example men and women were literally the same and to be treated as exactly equal on Earth?

No, obviously not. The message is that those differences don't actually matter, though. Your gender, nationality, or race don't matter, only your faith.

Do you really think obviously evil actions like the targeted destruction of a prosperous Europe by people who actively reject Christ is just supposed to be accepted and would not be considered an act of wickedness and hatred to be opposed by morally just people?

Maybe that's true, but let's be real, what really motivates you guys is purely racial. Even if the immigrants were legitimately perfect Christians, you would still not want them to come if they're brown.

Yeah, there's a reason theology used to be a highly respected degree even if you weren't a member of the clergy.

Read John Taylor Gatto.

Even if the immigrants were legitimately perfect Christians, you would still not want them to come if they're brown.

This is as morally justifiable as brown people not wanting to be invaded by whites, or any culture generally opposed to being replaced by those who would not be able to maintain their original culture and traits, which is a perfectly reasonable position. Also, race mixing producing aesthetically questionable offspring with uniquely increased genetic/mental deficiencies tells us this is something to be innately avoided (just as homosexuality results in increased levels of STDs)

Again, those are all your opinions, not God's. There's nothing against racemixing in the Bible. In fact, there's multiple instances of it happening and being fine. For example, Moses married outside of his race and they had kids together.

Why does modern “intellectual” debate regarding existence seem so dumbed down and limited after all this time and with all of our compiled knowledge available to us?

Because the Christcucks won

Bro, it's Skyrim.
Why would you think no one would know?

Hey OP, i don't know if you are still around but I have basically the same opinion as Celsus. In fact your thread was my first exposure to his work, and it's deeply affirming to discover someone who has all the same gripes as what I express being held up as a great literary work. I am a Hermetic something-or-other that is versed in western occultism and I think a lot about paganism and Christianity. If you (or anyone else) would be interested in talking more about this feel free to join the dcord ive made for the occasion

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