Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.
I don't get the Holy Trinity thing though.
Could you explain it to me like I'm retarded?
Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race
the father the son and the holy ghost
I've never seen this one before
amazing
Water can be solid (ice), liquid, or gas (steam). It’s always water, just in three different forms. god has also appeared in different forms while still being god.
Romans had this idea of a trinity composed of Jupiter(Zeus), Mercury(Hermes) and Minerva(Athena) and re-packaged it in Christian form.
The Gospel of John is the best for the theological description, but I usually recommend Mark because it's the quickest read
dont be so concerned about understanding God, lean on faith because your own understanding will always be limited
So the Father is YHWH, the same God of Abraham and all the OT stuff.
The Son is Yeshua, YHWH in human form.
What the fuck is the Holy Spirit?
trinitarian arguments are completely retarded.
dont bother getting into it
When God appeared to Abraham as a burning torch that hovered down the trail of sacrificed animals Abraham prepared, was that the Father or the Holy Ghost?
Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.
How, do whites need more niggers to survive?
John 14:15-31
this is the best description
No one has ever seen the father, no mortal can see Him. It is impossible for us to look into the spiritual world. Thus God the Father, having come down to this earth, became flesh, and became visible to man. When the old testament describes visions, they describe the GLORY of God, and not God Himself, for He is invisible.
explain like I'm a retard
just go read the Bible
I'm trying to get less confused about this tho
I can't wait for Christianity to finally fade away so that the real party can begin!
Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.
Then show how exactly Christianity fights jewish agenda and brown invasion?
I understand phases of matter. Is there a criteria that can be applied to easily categorize each instance of God doing something as either Father or Holy Ghost (the Son part is clear enough)?
it's 2 paragraphs bruv...
What about non-visions, like with Abraham? I thought the flying torch thing was real and not just a dream. Was the torch the Holy Spirit in action?
Bruv, there's individual sentences in the Bible that religious scholars can't agree on an interpretation of. I'm no scholar.
Just rereading it doesn't clear up my understanding.
People spend far too much time fretting over ancient sand people myths. It doesn't make sense because it's fiction, case closed.
have faith in your heart, say a prayer and ask God for guidance
Almost all of it these days are Genesis and Revelations too.
The entire other portion of the bible might as well not exist
I don't get the Holy Trinity thing though.
Once they realized their theology didn't make sense but it was too late to change the original source so they presented this retarded concept to goys to shut them up
I prayed on this. I'm not sure if I heard God's answer (would it be the Father, Son or Holy Ghost that respons?). I think maybe he directed me here to seek wisdom.
Lots of digits in this thread suggest that is the case.
Day 35 in the Ghost House Cracker Barrel.
well, in that case good luck, I hope you find what you seek!
dont get too hung up about omens tho
Deuteronomy 18:10
Trinity doctrine is pure cope to allow Christians to feel like they are still monotheists, but still go "I'm not like the other monotheists"
Cope, made up by C*tholics, to explain why God says "WE" in the genesis, rather than I
Ancient jews were polytheistic, until they werent
That's modalism and a massive heresy.
But Jews say the concept of God being some kind of multi-formed trinity is idolatrous.
Are you a Jew?
I understand phases of matter
God is unique. One of a kind. Nothing even remotely close to him. Not "very unique"... but simply unique. There is no possible analogy that truly encompasses him and there never can or will be.
Is there a criteria that can be applied to easily categorize each instance of God doing something as either Father or Holy Ghost (the Son part is clear enough)?
God saying which person of the Godhead was present for a theophany is the only criteria
modalism
no, its not. i'am not saying they are not different persons, my example was just explaining that you can have different characteristics and attributes while still being part of one
No I am not.
Do Jews not think the Trinity is idolatrous for that reason?
Rabbi Yeshua was the incarnation of a cosmic jew and a spirit jew who raped a jewess to birth himself so he could die for himself to appease his anger at his own creation. Anger caused by two primordial jews eating the fruit of a tree the cosmic jew created for no particular reason whatsoever.
You see? It all makes perfect sense.
Why should you care about fake Jewish myths? It was ONLY for Hebrews.
The Curse was brought by the Mosaic Law (Romans 5), which is what Jesus saves from.
Hosea 3:2, Yahweh says to the Hebrews, "I only knew you, so I will punish you for your iniquities."
Psalm 147:19-20, Only Jacob's children received the Mosaic Law.
Deuteronomy 4:8, No other people besides the Hebrews received the Mosaic Law.
Jesus had 0 relevance to anyone who didn't need saving from their sin....and sin was only counted for those who have the Mosaic law.
The council or Nicaea, in fact, the entire Proto-Orthodoxy confused the fuck out of the trinity.
See, the trinity is not a christian concept, it is present in many other forms of religions such as Egypt (Osis, Isis, Horus), some Hindu branches (Sheeva, Brahma and Vishnu). The trinity in its most original form can mean two things:
-Chaos (Death)
-Creation (Resurrection)
-Preservation (Alchemical Rubedo or Magnum Opus)
Or
-Body (Son)
-Soul (Father)
-Spirit (Holly Spirit) (Atman) (Mother)
Jesus was a man of esoteric ideas, probably initiated by either the Essenes or the Therapeutae in Egypt (during his lost years).
What Jesus taught was the same as the concept of Atman, or "God within".
Some Gnostic groups (who grew up side by side with proto-orthodox ones) saw the Trinity as:
-Logos
-Sophia
-The All
It was never supposed to be a three headed god thing. I mean, Orthodoxy rejects emanations, yet the idea they created around their trinity concept is even more complicated and ridiculous.
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummies
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It's only modalism if he claims there's only one form at a time, which is called temporal modalism
There is also a rare idea called "non temporal modalism" which is a whacky idea that needs extra modifications to definitions before it's heresy because technically there's no such thing as simultaneous modes. You can't have a convertible car that has both modes of "open and closed roof" at the same time etc.
Why should you care about fake Jewish myths? It was ONLY for Hebrews.
That's just not true. The bible explicitly refutes that.
is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too
Romans 3:29
Its important to distinguish between personhood and essence. God in essence is one, in personhood he is three.
Its easy to fall into the trap of thinking the person's are modes or masks that God uses, but they are full persons.
Its ok if you don't fully grasp it most people don't and many that say they do end up spouting some heresy. Fundamentally we shouldn't really expect to fully understand God.
Id recommend you talk to an Orthodox priest and attend liturgy if you are interested.
He's only relevant for the Hebrews, because they are the ONLY people who received the Mosaic Law, the Law who curses from which people needed redemption by Jesus.
Everything that exists has 3 roots:
(i) an accomodative precondition that allows it to exist ("The Holy Spirit": Pneuma-Sophia)
(ii) an originative precondition that defines it ("The Father": Nous-Nomos)
(iii) an energetic precondition that makes it manifest ("The Son": Logos-Energeia)
In the Divine Source of all things -- the Godhead -- these three modes of involvement merge together into the ineffable Oneness of pure loving providence.
The trinity is like a 3 leaf clover
noooo you can't say that. John Pope asshole the 5th said that's a heresy!!!
The trinity is like a 3 leaf clover.
The trinity is Gnosticism.
gnosis.org
They had to invent a verse to make it work. It's not Biblical at all. Most of the church traditions are like that.
By securing Israel and resettling niggers in white neighborhoods.
The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.
The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.
Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.
Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.
So, the way it was explained to me is this.
Christ, the Son, is also often called the Word (Logos, in Greek.) And the reason for this is, think about when you are talking. When you think of a word, you conjure an image of that thing in your head. When your mind is a fraction of God's infinite mind, and infinite power. When He thinks of a word, that thing is. It actually exists. It is not merely an ephemeral reflection of the thing the way a word is for you. So when he thinks of Himself, that thought or word exists as well. So the Son is the perfect, exact Word of the Father. Begotten by His perfect understanding of Himself.
Does that make sense, or did I lose you?
Indeed, he is the discernible form of the ineffable source of all things.
I don't know what the holy spirit is because I don't know what spirits are. Why not holy consciousness?
Well, the thing is the Godhead has a singular will and singular essence, so it probably wouldn't be strictly accurate to describe the third Person of the Trinity as Consciousness. But most references to the Trinity are metaphor anyway, because we are finite beings trying to understand the Infinite. And I don't think God would have a problem with you referring to Him however helps you best understand.
The Church refers to the third Person of the Trinity as the Holy Ghost because that is how Christ refers to Him in Scripture.
Spirit is the underlying first-person experiential viewpoint, but stripped of all sensible and intelligible content. It is the formless substrate of presence-awareness. It's the medium of divine providence.
That sounds heretical.
You know the (fake) concept of convergent evolution?
Maybe the pagan heathens, misguided and foolish as they were, got some inspiration from divine world God created, and stumbled upon some truthful concepts along the way. And as Christianity spread into Europe, rather than inventing new words, they used adequately similar words that were already in the lexicon.
I have a contention with the words spirit, soul, mind, and psyche, as I think they can be abolished in favor of consciousness.
His username says he's JW.
Of course he's a heretic. Like... off the walls, not even in the same ballpark as Christianity, heretic.
I follow what your'e saying, but where does the Holy Ghost come into play?
OK, cool. Glad you got that.
So then much as when Fod thinks of a word, it is, when He wills or acts it is as well. So the Holy Ghost is the Father's act of being in the same way that the Logos is His act of conceptualization.
And that is why, despite all three Persons working in perfect harmony with the same Will, the Son is most closely associated with creation (when God speaks something into existence i.e. "let there be light") and the Holy Ghost is most closely associated with God doing things (bestowal of spiritual gifts, inspiration of Scripture, etc.)
Does all that make sense?