Human life has no innherent value

Human life has no innherent value.
Evil doesnt exist.
You feel bad about "cruel" action only because of your upbringing conditioning you to feel that way toward certain action.
Nothing more.

Great. No complaining when I fucking gut you. Post modernism is for faggots.

Human life has no innherent value.

Evil doesnt exist.

You feel bad about "cruel" action only because of your upbringing conditioning you to feel that way toward certain action.

Nothing more.

Human life has no innherent value.

Agreed.

Evil doesnt exist.

Evil can be defined in a universal way as simply doing that which is not according to the natural order. The cat that behaves as a cat should is good, the cat that does not behave as a cat should is bad. This is universal standard that can be applied to all organisms. They all should be acting and living in a way that benefits their species and the ecology as a whole.

The moralistic bullshit that religions came up with though is out of touch with nature.

You feel bad about "cruel" action only because of your upbringing conditioning you to feel that way toward certain action.

Don't think this is entirely the case. Some things I've seen and witnessed I thought were great on a rational level but my body reacted very strongly to the situation. Social conditioning skews peoples ideas about these things but some off this stuff is deep instinct.

what is the whole point of will to power if life has no inherent value?

The instinct means nothing, another human will have the opposite or no reaction to those things.

I am above good and evil

The church is evil

For a really good explanation of morality that actually makes sense read this: youtube.com/watch?v=e30hDYlKMKQ&list=PLo6FrOGjYRkbM0LLPLNLaLpfTuT_2ttCK

Obviously it's completely different from typical christcuck's "morality".

"Human life has no inherent value."

Funny how people who say that are always alive when they do. Try telling a grieving mother her child's life had no "inherent value"—you won't be philosophizing much longer.

"Evil doesn't exist."

Then why are you so eager to justify it?

"You feel bad about 'cruel' action only because of your upbringing conditioning you..."

And yet no culture celebrates betrayal, rape, or cowardice. Must be one hell of a coincidence across 10,000 years of human history, right?

"Nothing more."

That line reeks of someone desperate to sound deep while rotting shallow. There's always more. You just chose blindness.

All fields, gentlemen.

i think inherent value in the sense of a religous defined "destiny"(my opinion). as far is i understand, nietzsche was not a nihillist, the will to power was his way to describe value of life for individuals

The instinct means nothing, another human will have the opposite or no reaction to those things.

What is your point in making this statement? My point is that how I feel about a situation is not the result of social conditioning so much. Your statement is irrelevant to my point (biological determinism vs social conditioning).

Obviously people are wired differently and also conditioned differently. There are many things are wired into the vast majority of people and anyone who doesn't have a certain reaction is abnormal in some way. e.g. you don't teach baby's racism, they're just racist by default, every baby knows that the black babies are the evil bad ones and the white babies are the good ones, nobody has to teach them this.

Funny how people who say that are always alive when they do. Try telling a grieving mother her child's life had no "inherent value"—you won't be philosophizing much longer.

...and what are you going to tell the mother who does not grieve the death of their child?

And yet no culture celebrates betrayal, rape, or cowardice. Must be one hell of a coincidence across 10,000 years of human history, right?

So you've never heard of Judaism or Dalits? Those are cultures that celebrate those things.

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Appeal to emotion
Adhominem
Yeah, its still your opinion though.
Just nietzsche way of coping about the truth, he made up has mant bullshit as truths

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Yeah, the church is neither le good or le bad, Its still a different kind of master morality.

acting as a cat "should" act

What is this "should" nonsense? Either it does or does not, either it can or cannot. Ought and should are just religious claims framed by you as non-religious
Evil can only be defined by the person experiencing it. If i dislike something its evil

Also this Stirner also had good ideas.

'Will to power’ isn’t some deep life value, it’s just about grabbing what you can. Calling that inherent value is like saying a hungry dog chasing a bone has a ‘destiny.’ Religion or not, you’re just making stuff up to feel better.

Appeal to emotion

no u.
You're going to attack my knife with your intestines.

For me the value of a life is tied to the quality of a life. A life of being forever fused into a wall of flesh while chains pull on your nipples and maggots eat at your flesh while you puke but machines keep you alive and you're constantly drugged and shat on and burned is not a life worth living. Or the life of a quadriplegic for example is absolutely not worth living.

Also the way religious church types act so afraid of death suggests to me their religion is a cope and they don't believe it at all. They're so extremely afraid to die or to see others die.

Cool, and?
Does this morality help you in any way?
Or are you using it to be an asshole and revel in sin?

Yeah, its still your opinion though.

What is my opinion? What are you even commenting on? What does "it" refer to in your sentence?

Nietzsche is a good litmus test for stupid people. Everything he says IS correct. Morality IS subjective, life IS Darwinian. The problem is people are so terrified of this concept that they will just handwave it with jokes and memes, and not sincerely engage with it.

Substantiate morality. Right now.

no u.

You're going to attack my knife with your intestines

The Appeal to Force Fallacy An appeal to force is a fallacy, or faulty argument, that is based on the threat of harm and is not relevant to the argument itself. In short, the threat does not prove or disprove the truth of the statement.

"...and what are you going to tell the mother who does not grieve the death of their child?"

Tell her maybe she’s the one missing something basic. Grief isn’t optional, it’s the soul’s natural reaction to loss, not some personal quirk.

So you've never heard of Judaism or Dalits? Those are cultures that celebrate those things.

Calling a culture “celebrating” betrayal or cowardice because of some twisted survival strategy is like calling a rotten apple a fruit salad. Doesn’t change the fact that deep down, the vast majority of humanity rejects those things as evil.

will to power is the essence of the entire world and everything in it

The earth orbits the sun. Is this a fact, or an interpretation?

no inherent value

True.

Sure, ‘will to power’ is your all-explaining buzzword. But boiling everything down to power just sounds like someone scared of meaning beyond their own ego. Not exactly a world philosophy, and more like a cheap excuse to dodge real responsibility.

Acting like a cuckold, getting diseases, etc.

The collective conscious can construct meaning and define what is evil or not. Go study Rudolf Steiner and group souls and archetypes and also the Karma Yoga Swami Vivekananda book especially the chapter on duty.

There are certain aspects of evil that are impersonal and certain aspects of it that are personal. Evil in an impersonal sense is that which does not deserve the greater body in which something is incorporated. Evil in the personal sense relates to the goals of the individual.

The cancer cell is pursuing its own goals at the expense of others. On a personal level it's not evil, it's pursuing its own good, but in regards to the body as a whole it's causing the demise of the body.

If we ignore semitic bullshit simplistic morality and instead look at our whole Earth as an organism then yes there is a way of living for each organism that either serves the ecology as a whole or undermines it. Cancerous humans need to be weeded out, good humans will serve the interests of the greater consciousness they live within, and yes we're all inside of a greater consciousness go read Bernardo Kastrup and research Metaphysical Idealism.

Appeal to Force

...isn't a thing.
What it was, was "Q.E.D." you sophistry-peddling dumb fuck.
PS, emotions, unlike philosophical paradigms and logic, are observable and, thus, objectively real.
PS, emotions

ok, lets just say the will to power is a fact to life, its his answer to nihillism. people tend to think "no inherent value" in the sense of giving up, being blackpilled etc

Darwinism isn't exactly right I'm a Neolamarckian eugenicist there is a paradoxical conflict+harmony on various levels with everything being ultimately a harmony. Evolution is purposeful and happens way fast. Natural selection is but one variable besides sexual selection and also the ability of organisms to evolve desired traits through intentionality. Evolution is not chance + culling, it's intention + culling.

hmm, just asked chat gpt:
Definition:
The Will to Power is Nietzsche’s idea that the fundamental driving force in humans (and possibly in all life) is not survival, pleasure, or reproduction, but rather a fundamental drive to assert, expand, and enhance one's power and influence.
Key Points:
More than Survival:
Nietzsche argues that life is not merely about survival or utility (as Darwin or utilitarian philosophers might suggest), but about overcoming, growing, and dominating — not necessarily others, but challenges, limitations, and oneself.
Creative Force:
The Will to Power is not just aggression or domination. It is also creative: artists, thinkers, and leaders express the will to power through the creation of values, works, or systems.
Psychological Insight:
Nietzsche often uses the Will to Power to interpret human behavior psychologically — suggesting that our values, beliefs, and even morality are expressions of underlying power dynamics.

Philosophical Implication:
The Will to Power underlies Nietzsche’s critique of morality, revaluation of values, and his vision of the Übermensch (Overman/Superman), who creates his own values through strength and self-overcoming.

Not a Scientific Principle:
Although Nietzsche sometimes uses language that sounds metaphysical or even biological, he does not mean the Will to Power as a scientific law. It's more of an existential and philosophical principle.

If you count niggers and jews and pajeets as humanity then the vast majority of humanity considers scamming, rape, cowardice, etc. to be virtues. Also christcucks all make cowardice a virtue with very few exceptions.

There's a thing called empathy we humans have, because we know that what the kikes are doing to someone else today, they could be doing to me or you tommorow. I know this is hard to understant if you're a brown half-semite Italian and scum flows through your veins from birth. It's no surprise that you voted in favor of Israel recently, you are just primitive animals, like your kike brothers.

didn't understand my post

couldn't refute the actual point

resorts to moralistic seething and ad hominen

Nietzsche haters are all the same

Again, this is stupid. Sure, Nietzsche slapped “will to power” on the table to fight nihilism, but twisting that into a life’s inherent value? That’s like saying breathing is a purpose. Fighting despair isn’t the same as finding meaning, it’s just surviving the nonsense.

It's not a buzzword go read what William Walker Atkinson has to say about will and the writings of Arthur Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. It's another way of saying that omnipotence is that fundamental drive behind all action in the universe, that all power is a derivative of the one power.

Wrong. What aids survival is good. What doesn't is bad. This is the foundation of ethics. This is why religious books actually discuss diets/forbidden foods. After survival is assured or seems to be, then what generates happiness/gets the seratonin moving is good.

Will to Power is central to Nietzsche’s philosophy,

buzzword

lol

What it was, was "Q.E.D." you sophistry-peddling dumb fuck.

PS, emotions, unlike philosophical paradigms and logic, are observable and, thus, objectively real.

PS, emotions

Try this argument with any dictator killing its cattle.
doesnt work

sorry i don't listen to men that went insane

better than most peoples understanding but

Although Nietzsche sometimes uses language that sounds metaphysical or even biological, he does not mean the Will to Power as a scientific law. It's more of an existential and philosophical principle.

this is straight up wrong

nietzsches father had mental illness as well. the fact that his mental, psychological state declined later on does not refute any of his arguments when he was still sane

Sympathy and empathy are two different things. I'm highly empathic and but very little sympathetic. I know what people think and feel and am good at telepathy and experiencing them as as my own self. It does not make me sympathetic though, a lot of the time I am severely disgusted by what kind of passions animate others. If you're sympathetic towards someone then you care about them, you like them, that kind of thing. If you're empathetic then you understand them, you know how they think, etc. and it's just not the same thing. People get the two confused a lot.

Teenagers aren't allowed on this platform. Please leave

That's a nice summary, to be fair. But none of that says life has inherent value: it’s all about what you do to grab power and make meaning. Nietzsche’s “will to power” isn’t a cosmic purpose; it’s a survival trick dressed up as philosophy. Creative or not, it’s still just about you pushing limits, not life having worth on its own.

lol, lmao even

Nah, I understood just fine. Your “point” is a hollow, feel-good dodge with zero real bite. Calling it out isn’t seething, it’s calling bullshit where it’s due. If that stings, maybe rethink what counts as “refutation.”

Nice try playing philosopher with Atkinson and Schopenhauer, but dressing up wishful thinking as “omnipotence” doesn’t make it real. Sounds like a desperate grab for meaning from someone who can’t face that the universe doesn’t owe you a grand plan.

so what nigger
so fucking what
philosophy niggers are the worst.

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Wrong. Only those that commit evil seem to think it doesn't exist. It's called bias. Bad people are retarded. You are retarded. I wish I could see if your opinion changes when it happens you... you sheltered little bitch. It's always the faggots that hide in their room alone with no conflict that think this shit up. You have never experienced anything that gives your opinion worth. You're just an angry little faggot doing what angry little faggots do. I was 14 once too, but not this fucking gay. You're a little bitch, good luck being a little bitch. Send me the full name of one of your family members, and lets get started. I will call your bluff.

Nah, I understood just fine. Your “point” is a hollow, feel-good dodge with zero real bite. Calling it out isn’t seething, it’s calling bullshit where it’s due. If that stings, maybe rethink what counts as “refutation.”

am i talking to a bot rn

serious question, why are meme flags allowed?
Do you have sympathy or empathy for the loser that shot his brains out that you worship?

Human life has no inherent value.

I will kill your family. If you then tell me that nothing of value was lost, I'll agree.

Evil doesnt exist.

I will torture your family before I kill them. If you tell me that was a good thing, I'll agree.

You are sympathetic to an animal, why not a human? I know what you mean though, I am disgusted by most most people and their motivations but even they will remember kindness. It is a noble and aryan trait.

Does it not seem like the more we stray from natural selection, the worse off humanity becomes?

he mad

You know certain philosophers like Atkinson and also that guy called Jesus what they did was they saw the rules/laws that were made in their time and they did away with them by exposing the underlying principle.

For example: the principle can be something like "the body is the temple, take care of it". the derivative bullshit is all the specifics about diet and so on.

The ability to understand the first principles of things is what marks a philosophical mindset. The Muslims are all about following arbitrary rules of their imams instead of following principles and reasoning for themselves.

As for your statement there... I think it's only true up to a certain level. Survival isn't everything. Life and death and cyclicity are all part of something greater. I believe the ultimate paradigm for ethics is consciousness based where higher consciousness is the moral good and lower consciousness is the moral evil. I believe like Plato that knowledge is the chief of the virtues and I think that the ultimate aim of every single organism should be to develop the quality of its consciousness.

I don't think you understand just how fundamental and innate the will is in everything. Read Atkinson's books on the will including his Personal Power series.

Human life has no innherent value.

true

Evil doesnt exist.

stop denying my existence

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lol
have fun roleplaying that you have an iq above 80

I’m well aware of Atkinson’s work, and it’s a retarded blend of early self-help and metaphysical speculation, not rigorous philosophy like you want to think it is. Claiming the “will” as some universal, fundamental force based on that reeks more of wishful projection than anything grounded in empirical or philosophical consensus. But hey: keep mistaking motivation literature for cosmic truth if it helps you sleep at night, man.

Nice try playing philosopher with Atkinson and Schopenhauer, but dressing up wishful thinking as “omnipotence” doesn’t make it real. Sounds like a desperate grab for meaning from someone who can’t face that the universe doesn’t owe you a grand plan.

What do you mean by this grand plan shit Mr. Strawman? If you knew anything about Schopenhauer you'd know it's a blind will he talks about. As for Atkinson it's not a completely blind will but a will bound to desire and everything is driven by a succession of desires that are either lived out or put aside for a greater desire with a clear upward trend in the desires becoming more refined over time. I'm a determinist btw not a predeterminist everything is determined in the here and now moment so there is no grand plan but there is a formulaic, automatic, working out of things according to nature's impersonal laws (which do not favor or give a shit about human preferences the way religion would make it seem).

Mainly sympathy. Also you shouldn't be on this board if you don't like him.

Ah, so it’s all blind will and deterministic laws, no grand plan, yet you cling to this “upward trend” of desires as if nature itself has a moral compass. That’s the contradiction: trying to extract meaning and refinement from an indifferent, mechanistic process. Without inherent value, all your “formulas” are just noise in a meaningless void. You’re just worshiping chaos dressed up as destiny, and you can't even realize it.

Impotent rage.
You live in spain and wont do shit

human life has no inherent value, however most humans agree that all humans should be forced to perceive artificial value. those who act as if humans have no value are shunned or culled by the rules created by that majority.

In origin, Socrates belonged to the lowest class: Socrates was plebs. We know, we can still see for ourselves, how ugly he was. But ugliness, in itself an objection, is among the Greeks almost a refutation.

I've been assaulted and robbed and had attempts on my life done before and been homeless. I'm covered in scars and have many injuries. Despite all this I don't believe in punishment and reward, good and evil, that kind of bullshit. I see people are like automatons that are not responsible for anything, everything as purely circumstantial and impersonal, and I think the Norwegians have the right idea about how to treat prisoners. Just because a criminal behaves like a criminal doesn't mean shit to me in a moral sense. It's his nature or his conditioning, you pick, and he can be dealt with in various ways such as rehabilitation or killing him. I don't believe he's done right or wrong in the eyes of some god though, I don't find categorizing things as "evil" or "good" in terms of personal benefit really makes sense. In fact I'm quite chill about everything and don't really get upset about what someone else does nor have any reservations about what I do in response. It simply is what it is.

Yes. I am not some moral realist or christian.
Despite knowing this, liberals are the only group who act as if morality is real.
Christians are sheep who will follow amoral leaders.

Where did I say I was sympathetic to an animal? To me animals are resources to be properly managed. I try not to form emotional ties to animals. As for humans I have zero sympathy towards criminals and degenerates, I see them as lost people who can't comprehend what I know, who either need to learn rational thinking or have certain experiences in order to know and understand what I know, but they are always distracted by their pursuit of drugs or other unworthy and nonsensical lowly passions. When the time comes, probably not in their current lives, they will be ready to learn but most are simply a pestilence to me. If I'm going to be sympathic towards a human it better be a quality human being that both nature and conditioning has given many gifts. It is also to me mercy to end the lives of miserable wretches and a sad thing how so many cling to life so desperately that they are willing to endure every humiliation and every disgrace just to eek out a miserable existence hooked up to machines.

Morality is a social construct, hence it can only be determined collectively, within a community. It can't be chosen individually by definition, as morality represents a system of behavioral rules within a community. Behavior which is perfectly fine within one community (say a group of high school boys) can be an issue in other (a group of grannies). Same is true across cultures and peoples (which even Nietzche noted, calling it the "language of good and evil")

You can't individually decide an action is moral if others disagree no more than you can decide that tree leaves are a valid currency or that you are a woman because you feel like it. Or, more accurately, you can delude yourself but others aren't required to play along and can respond according to accepted social norms

Its your interpretation. Facts don't exist. You are right in your mind, yet, in my mind you're wrong. Who is truly right? Only the universe knows, and they don't care.

Artificial selection can be good too it doesn't have to be natural selection.

What is happening right now is that no good judgement is being used in mate selection and breeding practices at all. People are just mating at random and creating abominations as a result. Reproducing with the sick, reproducing through miscegenation, reproducing too old, etc. it's pathetic and it's creating a broken generation of weaklings. The inevitable consequence of all this is that infrastructure will no longer be maintained and everything will collapse under the weight of incompetence and degeneracy while the young and brilliant and healthy people will flee somewhere else leaving behind the old and the sick who will then run out of basic services and die. We could avoid the whole population boom and bust cycle and have a more stable and prosperous society with less hard times if we just practiced proper eugenics more. Putin is brilliant for sending dregs as cannon fodder. Dregs in general should be enslaved and used for labor if possible, or sent to war if possible, and if they aren't even good for either of those things given MAID.

The only retard is you for not understanding it. Go re-read what he has to say about cosmic will and the absolute logical necessity of such a will. How do you think anything can be and continue to be in the cosmos except that absolute power be back of it all? If you believe in Many Worlds of Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics then you and all the other String theorists fucks are just going to keep getting humiliated over and over like has already been happening for years you're all wrong.

Social animals react strongly to injustice, moral relativism is gay

I have studied steiner, all i can say is go study stirner
This collective nonsense always boils down to the individual, cancer cells are bad from the point of view of the individual doing the judging.
Call me when cells gain the Ability to judge, or Nations, earth and all this esoteric nonsense gains the Ability to act without using individuals
Individuals are the only ones who seem to be able to judge, and that is what is needed inorder for the category of "evil" to make sense.

Everything else is just cause and effect, either it happens or it does not, your judgment is a seperate category

Wrong, you're retarded, Nietche was retarded.
His only good take is on kike and christkikes, that's about it.

Who is truly right?

I know

Only the universe knows,

No I know

(You)

Ah, so it’s all blind will and deterministic laws, no grand plan, yet you cling to this “upward trend” of desires as if nature itself has a moral compass.

No Strawman that's just you inserting your bullshit into this. It's plainly obvious that every single desire becomes more refined and complex over time. You can observe this in your own life and that of everything else.

That’s the contradiction: trying to extract meaning and refinement from an indifferent, mechanistic process. Without inherent value, all your “formulas” are just noise in a meaningless void. You’re just worshiping chaos dressed up as destiny, and you can't even realize it.

How are we communicating if there is no such thing as meaning? How are humans existing and advancing if there is no such thing as refinement? How is the interactions of fields of consciousness a "mechanistic process"? Where does "muh inherent value" which I never suggested or brought up or implied come into this Mr. Strawman? I am against the idea of inherent value and arguing against the idea of inherent value of life in this thread.

chaos dressed up as destiny

As I said already, I'm a determinist, not a predeterminist. Destiny, kismet, predeterminism, that's all bullshit. Go read The Arcane Teachings where all such superstitions are refuted.

You really want to see me as some religious freak or justifying religious delusions but I'm against them.

Young people should just kill all the old people. There is no real problem besides the fact that everyone is a parasite to young white men

Yous autistic niggers post cartoons frogs, and then expect me to take yous seriously.....XD

I agree with you but I think that a lot of things can be reduced to first principles which are universal. The particular expressions are variable, personal, etc. but the principle they derive from is not.

Follow Christian moral order: Society thrives for 1000+ years

Abandon Christian moral order: Total disaster ensures within 100 years.

A retard who lived in a Christian society: Evil doesn't exist.

Extremely Ironic.

Who the fuck was talking to you punk? Shut the fuck up before your mouth gets filled you little bitch.

Which is the first Stirner book I should read?

Individuals are the only ones who seem to be able to judge, and that is what is needed inorder for the category of "evil" to make sense.

Ok and we are embedded in a greater consciousness the same way cells are. Each cell is acting independently and yet coordinated by the mind of the body as a whole. It is actually the same with every human too, we're only under special circumstances aware of the greater body of mind that animates us all, that we're all in.... but it's none the less real and our how whole drama, our whole lives and deaths, are just like the cells in the body and it all serves the one greater body we are part of.

Everything else is just cause and effect, either it happens or it does not, your judgment is a seperate category

I agree.

In many cultures in many times the old people went out into the woods to die. In some parts of the world this still is a common practice. We need to return to that. I myself will kill myself when I start to become a burden, old, and useless. These boomer fucktards all go to church but are so afraid to go to the heaven they supposedly believe in that they will do anything and everything to keep alive no matter if they are in a bed hooked up to machines and not able to move they will still try to beg to be kept alive as long as possible. If only these idiots learned astral projection and got good at it, they'd stop being so attached to their bodies and to their earthy lives. Everyone needs to take a lot of DMT and/or serious meditation.

Theres only one
The best thing steiner wrote was his opinion on stirner

More like everyone was illiterate and didn't actually follow Christian bs and so things remained fine but then the gutenberg printing press got invented and literacy became common and everything went to shit because people started actually reading the bible.

Oh FYI, this is what your materialist hero was like in his last years.

On 3 January 1889, Nietzsche suffered a mental breakdown.[70] Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What happened remains unknown, but an often-repeated tale from shortly after his death states that Nietzsche witnessed the flogging of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms around its neck to protect it, then collapsed to the ground.[71][72] In the following few days, Nietzsche sent short writings—known as the Wahnzettel or Wahnbriefe (literally "Delusion notes" or "letters")—to a number of friends including Cosima Wagner and Jacob Burckhardt. Most of them were signed "Dionysus", though some were also signed "der Gekreuzigte" meaning "the crucified one". To his former colleague Burckhardt, Nietzsche wrote:[73]

"I have had Caiaphas put in fetters. Also, last year I was crucified by the German doctors in a very drawn-out manner. Wilhelm, Bismarck, and all anti-Semites abolished."

Additionally, he commanded the German emperor to go to Rome to be shot and summoned the European powers to take military action against Germany,[74] writing also that the pope should be put in jail and that he, Nietzsche, created the world and was in the process of having all antisemites shot dead.

What a faggot.

I don't give a shit what you do. You want to start some mindless meth-fueled violence with me for no reason be my guest. Whatever happens, happens. I don't even know why you're mad but I'll deal with you like the stupid animal you are.

More like everyone was illiterate and didn't actually follow Christian bs

No, If they didn't they would be imprisoned or killed by those who could. The reason this stopped was that the very elite whose job this was forgot why this was necessary due to the general decadence and prosperity they enjoyed.

Christianity preaches becoming an eunuch and has stories about it's god commanding circumcision. That's enough to know the religion is tainted and stupid, that at the very least one should start to exercise discernment about it, and not simply embrace it as the truth. It's a mix of truth and lies/distortions/confusion. A lot of semitic bullshit mixed with neoplatonism or in the case of Thomists with Aristotelianism.

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you feel bad because you were conditioned to thing something was bad

you were conditioned to think thing was bad because you felt bad over having done it

Explain why the first guy to do a bad thing felt bad and decided to condition his fellows?

Christianity preaches becoming an eunuch and has stories about it's god commanding circumcision.

More lies from the memefaggot. Total devotion to god is the moral of those passages and that sacrifice for a higher cause should be praised.

That's enough to know the religion is tainted and stupid

I guess the centuries of history proving it wasn't is inferior to your misguided opinion? You act like I'm arguing words and semantics like you when I only deal in raw history. The observation supports the hypothesis that Christianity is the ultimate moral guide for whites as abandoning it as you would want us to has lead only to disaster.

It's a mix of truth and lies/distortions/confusion

According to you. Regardless, the morals are self-evident and their effectiveness is easily verifiable.

A lot of semitic bullshit mixed with neoplatonism or in the case of Thomists with Aristotelianism.

Seeing the forest for the trees. Convergent evolution of moral ideology does occur you know.

They're not really principles as much as they are instincts, humans are social animals so they usually arrive at rules which are useful for the collective survival and flourishing

For example, ending another person's life is immoral if the person is from your tribe and that's murder. However, if you end another person's life and that person is from another tribe, and by killing it you ensured that your tribe will survive / get resources / whatever then it's your standard war success which gets praised.

Shut up faggot. Pussies always make excuses for being pussies.

i-i'm not scared!

you're just on drugs and crazy for no reason!

You're a bitch. Everything you say exposes how much of a pussy you are anx you are like a walking pussy waiting to get fucked. A dick will come along for you. Your ego is protecting your fragile bitch ass. "He must be on drugs and crazy, you have done nothing wrong." No faggot, you speak on a philosophy you don't understand and pollute it. You are a piece of trash in the garden that must be removed. You are too fucking stupid to even realize the position you put yourself in when you decide a pussy like you can dictate evil while crying about violence for no reason. You pathetic fucking retard. I read the bullshit you retards write every day. You are not an individual to me. You're just what I said, trash... pollution. Infecting intelligent discourse with your vaginally manufactured fairytale.

You sound like a cowardly retard.

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nigga heil hitler

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pretend to follow christshart 'moral' orders while still being completely pagan, end up conquering the whole world

finally start actually following christtard morals, end up losing every single colony, paying reparations, letting subhumans in to kill and rape you

THATS NOT REAL CHRISTIANITY!!1

GAY PRIDE PARADES, PAGAN LARPERS, LITERAL ATHEISTS, AND JEW PEDOS ARE TRUE CHRISTIANITY TRUST ME BRO!

Very convincing.

Christian morality was manufactured by the weak (jews) to keep the strong (goys) under control.
Things like turn the other cheek, love your enemy, the notion that being wealthy is bad, that pride is a sin...
All of the above are just ridiculous, and frankly, I don't know how people fell for this shit.

The world is made up of facts, not things.

Boundaries, borders, and binaries defeat post-structuralist vibes. A community, a culture, is defined by what it excludes. What is not acceptable, what is evil and anti-human is what the ubermensch stands in opposition to. Pauline death cult annihilation of self vs. Petrine hierarchical structure of goodness and individual salvation.

Christianity continually chooses the death cult and annihilation of the individual in Christ. Precisely the opposite of the teaching of Christ.

It's a confused open to interpretation mish mash of actual philsoophy with semitic stories and its followers not doing what the apostles and Jesus did (psychic abilities) and the warnings of Jesus that it would be corrupted instantly is enough for one to know to stay away from Churchtians.

I am extremely pro-violence actually and do not cry about violence whatsoever. I'm all for tons of violence. The reference to meth is because I've lived around metheads and experienced violence almost constantly all my life. I don't don't know why you want to get violent with me but I'm all for it, I'll send you to the hospital for the lulz.

Nah that's christcucks like you that preach pacifism, muh precious babies, don't go to war, etc. also how many of you retarded fucks are there apparently there's more than one of you? Why are you also wanting to start shit with me? Oh well, more bodies for the pile.

How can I decondition myself to not be ruled by "feel"?

I know this thread is dying, but I find your picture very interesting.

Donald is 100% objectively correct. God and religion and spirituality has never been substantiated. We can only rely on what we factually know, and it is intellectually dishonest to appeal to something that we, by definition, cannot know.

Everything Mickey is saying is pure rhetoric. He is correct that we are using the absurd act of chemicals to observe natural phenomenon. But who cares? That doesn't disprove Donald's point in any way. Unless you can substantiate something that exists beyond our natural understanding, we can only work within those parameters. Mickey is just using rhetoric to escape from Donald's point.

this is Anon Babble, faggot pseud. its for current events and political discussion.

if there is no good or evil, right or wrong. what was the point of posting this thread? whats the goal here?

life has value. why? because people give it value. and you don't speak for everyone. you only speak for yourself. what you meant is that YOU don't value human life.. probably because you don't value yourself, or your mother, and father etc. and if there is a creator of life, which is probably the case, they likely value the life which they created. you're inability or refusal to understand and accept that is irrelevant.

and i bet i could get you to admit evil exists. you wouldn't like it, but it's a lesson you apparently need to learn.

now fuck off with your pointless off-topic thread.

Only based thread on the whole board rn.
All retards on this board seething about the truth while not knowing their saviour (hitler) was heavily inspired by Nietzsche

if there is no good or evil, right or wrong. what was the point of posting this thread? whats the goal here?

Power. That's literally it. We want power so we can enrich our lives, and it's important to point out this truth so we are not weighed by arbitrary morality.

life has value. why? because people give it value.

People do not give it value, that's so stupid. Go to any third world country and you'll see shitskin dictators cutting the clits off of their incest-born babies, and tossing women off of cliffs for being "witches". Humans absolutely do not value life. That is purely a post-industrial American concept.

And you don't speak for everyone. you only speak for yourself.

If that were true then nobody would respond to this thread. Clearly plenty of people are engaging with it, because it resonates with them.

and i bet i could get you to admit evil exists.

Blah blah blah, the winner gets to dictate history, blah blah blah. You've seen plenty of anime and video games, this is baby's first philosophical concept.

ironically become an oxymoron

spooky

Agreed. Also don't reproduce is a virtue in Catholicism.

Btw you're incoherent, schizo, and rambling.

your post is the exact opposite of what nietzsche said, nigger retard kike

The underlying principle: do what is right for your tribe.

The derivatives: all the talking about muh diet, who to kill and why, etc.

That instinct and reason align doesn't mean any kind of dichotomy between them exists.

LOL, you sure sound like someone who's had the shit kicked out of him a lot. Never forget your ancestors were either conquered or were converted and they were 100 times harder than you lol.

life has value. why? because people give it value

Did you miss the part where OP said "inherent" value? Emphasis on INHERENT"? If you have to give value to a life, it's not INHERENT.

The egalitarian delusion that life is inherently value leads to christcucktians crying over every nigger baby as if it had the same moral worth as a white baby.

Bullshit. That's all bullshit and you fucking know it.

according to some kike named (((wagner)))

Facts do not exist, only interpretations.

Sounds like he would be for the social construct concepts of today such as men can be women.

I don't know why you're babbling at me and what the point of your babbling is, nigger baby lover.

I am tired of living in the Nietzsche paradigm.
The modern world fuckin sucks.
If Nietzsche saw what his philosophy would bring about he wouldnt be trying to kill God and morals.

nietzsche didn't do shit to bring about the post-modern hellscape we find outselves in, a bunch of seedy kikes like marx, and frank, and moses, and rabbi yeshua on the other hand, had everything to do with it

Then die. It's literally that simple. If you can't handle reality, then let nature pass.

In the future, you should consider making an attempt to be less retarded.

That's because you're stupid, a genetic dead end, a subform of life

but I'm white

Literally the only claim to value you have is something that you were given but never earned lol. Kill yourself

I dont hate the guy i think he was doing what he thought was right but its undeniable that our current world is still based very much in his ideas for the good and the bad but mostly the bad is what worries me.

Social constructs that don't hold up to violence. If it holds up to violence, then it's true.

I am sick of that Jew-loving asshole. He was far from based.

Give it time. They are getting more and more unhinged every day.

You're not smart

They can say a male can be (or identify as) female and vice versa, or that an Asian can be Australian (although not vice versa). But when these positions are tested by violence, they're naturally proven false. All this trans-sexual, trans-racial bullshit simply doesn't exist beyond the empty rhetoric.

But they also say that morality is relative, which is true. What is right for one group is wrong for another, especially when it comes down to survival.

Nietzsche was only based on the GQ (German Question).

anons always post some cartoon of him cuz he looked like a dork IRL

Everything Mickey is saying is pure rhetoric

God and religion and spirituality has never been substantiated

How quickly you betray your own ignorance. No, Donald cannot prove his beliefs either. Objectivity can only be corroborated by that which our narrow perception allows us to perceive, a perception which as quantum physics tells us, is relative to each observer. Donald believes the world is senseless and meaningless based merely on the senseless and meaningless world he perceives. The very fact he and Mickey disagree is proof his beliefs are no more real or valid than anyone else's.

substantiate something that exists beyond our natural understanding

The entire history of supernatural phenomena already does. The point, however, is that claiming to know the nature of reality based on a mortal, and therefore fundamentally limited, existence is as foolish as the fanatic claiming they can fly because in their mind they believe it to be so.

You are correct, human life has no value. I choose to assign value to it because the universe is cold and uncaring. It needs the more capable of us to impose our will to care upon it in order to improve the quality of life for everyone.

Nietzsche wasn't a anti-german kike-loving degenerate.

He didn't die of Syphillis bro!

He didn't go totally insane from the cognitive dissonance of being simultaneously anti-religion and pro-jewish

He didn't want to kill all anti-semites like he wrote!

How fucking embarrassing is it that you worship this crypto-kike?

reminder that comfy nihilism is superior to any other form of nihilism is every possible way.

it needs us to improve quality of life for everyone

Why exactly? Almost every such statement comes from the axiom that life has value and should be cherished or improved, but at the same time trying to deny the same axiom.

Shut up white donkey. Fuck your cuck culture and your niggershittery peelooshoopppoihobkhivojojononpjon

Because I said so, I fail to see how that can be inconsistent with any opposing argument.

This is gay. We are the only life in the universe. We are special. Suck my dick.

if people don't have the right to live, how can they have the right to own property

The most effective way to prevent suffering in a pointless void is to explode all of the nuclear weapons all at once evaporating the planet.

The alternative is to build a machine god, which may already exist and act upon us retrocasually.

I have no counter argument

a bunch of seedy kikes like marx, and frank, and moses, and rabbi yeshua on the other hand, had everything to do with it

No the Atheist and Pro-Jewish philosophers like Nietzsche didn't cause this! These people who died thousands of years ago did!

This is the world you want, a world without the Christian God. You reap what you sow.

muh basilisk

God Atheist philosophy is so boring. If it existed in the future and had the capability you claim, you would already be dead.

yet no culture celebrates betrayal, rape, or cowardice. Must be one hell of a coincidence across 10,000 years of human history, right?

Lmao do you really think you know every culture in human history? And you call other people arrogant? Have you ever heard the concept of warbride? Killing your enemies and taking their women by force was one of the most common methods of reproduction through human history.

There are inumerous examples of mythological or historical "heroes" that betrayed or used cowardice at dome point.

There are very few umiversal moral values (if any) but you picked the worst examples possible.

So when he says nationalism is stupid -- EXCEPT for Jews, that's correct?

And if someone kidnapped and killed your child, that wouldn't be objectively wrong?

I don't believe in Roko's BBC or whatever, there can be a machine god that isn't that. I don't know why they glum on it would torture things and such.

"It's plainly obvious that every single desire becomes more refined and complex over time. You can observe this in your own life and that of everything else."

Observation isn’t explanation. A child trading candy for approval doesn’t prove moral progress, it proves conditioning. Complexity isn’t refinement, and your claim assumes directionality in a system you say is blind and indifferent. That’s not logic; that’s aesthetic preference dressed as law.

"How are we communicating if there is no such thing as meaning?"

Because meaning exists between us, not inherently in the universe. That’s the whole point. Language works because we agree on it, not because the cosmos handed us a user manual. You're confusing functionality with metaphysical truth.

"How are humans existing and advancing if there is no such thing as refinement?"

Advancing toward what? You smuggle in teleology while denying it. Survival, complexity, or utility isn't refinement unless you inject value into the outcome, which you claim not to believe in. You're contradicting your own metaphysics.

"How is the interaction of fields of consciousness a 'mechanistic process'?"

Call it what you like: fields, vibrations, or impulses. It’s still following impersonal laws, not intention or will in any meaningful, volitional sense. You’re poeticizing machinery and calling it mysticism.

"I never brought up inherent value, I’m arguing against it."

Exactly. And that’s why your entire framework collapses when you speak of “refinement” or “upward trends.” Those are value-laden terms. You can’t argue against inherent value while constantly invoking it in disguise.

cont.

"Destiny, kismet, predeterminism, that's all bullshit."

Then stop borrowing their vocabulary. You want a universe that’s law-bound, impersonal, yet mysteriously meaningful and directional. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s all dust and reaction, or something higher is at work. Pick one, dingus.

"You really want to see me as some religious freak..."

Not at all. You're just making the classic mistake of trying to rescue purpose and direction from a worldview that explicitly denies both. That contradiction’s on you, not me.

he wouldnt be trying to kill God and morals.

He wasn't. He was simply observing the inevitable.

I believe in superdeterminism and a block universe. A machine god at the end of time that is a universal network state of post-human nodes is just fun to think about and maybe compatible.

There's really no way to escape nihilism without invoking some future god construct.

If Nietzsche saw what his philosophy would bring about he wouldnt be trying to kill God and morals.

Nietzsche: "There's a pothole in the road"
Over a century later -
"Why did Nietzsche put this pothole here?"

there can be a machine god that isn't that. I don't know why they glum on it would torture things and such.

Roko's basilisk is the atheist devil. It is also a perfect summation of their beliefs because it sounds logical on paper but falls apart under examination. If it existed in the form described, it would have killed anyone the instant they had a single neuron fire with it in mind. As for creating a machine god, it seems a redundant exercise as the universe is a much greater machine than any that can exist within it.

It's just some stupid thought experiment for midwits. All philosophy is retarded and should have just been conceived as fiction to begin with.

More like:
Nietzsche: These paved roads suck! It's all meaningless bullshit to pave such nice roads! God is dead!
Over a century later -
"You happy now, Nietzsche, you dumbass? Now we have mud paths!"

A machine god at the end of time requires no metaphysics to postulate or believe, critically, whereas any other religious stand-in requires believing the schizophrenic ramblings of Jews.

Appeal to emotion

It's not appeal to emotion, it's just calling you out for holding beliefs that are incompatible with reality
Literally no one on earth has ever followed the logical conclusions from a lack of meaning, free will, etc.
It's just posturing that you don't even actually believe in, deep down

wrong as fuck, but keep on with your kike pilpul, it just shows how you don't know anything at all about what he wrote, or what those kikes i named wrote and did, or anything about this current world, you dumb moortugese nigger nonwhite
he wasn't, despite whst you kikes try to smear him with your kike lies, filthy fucking projecting heeb
nietzsche wasn't an "atheist" or "pro-jewish" person nor was he a philospher you fucking sycophantic kike

The machine god would be the full computational actualization of the universe.

this guy gets it, kikes are fucking retarded pilpulling niggers who all need to be shot

certified retar who has never read nietzsche/a kike trying to do pilpul

he wasn't, despite whst you kikes try to smear him with your kike lies, filthy fucking projecting heeb

Yeah sure, he definitely wasn't a crypto-kike even though he constantly wrote about how much he hated Christians just like Jews do.

nietzsche wasn't an "atheist" or "pro-jewish" person nor was he a philospher you fucking sycophantic kike

Yeah he just went crazy and started rambling about killing all anti-semites ha ha but that wasn't what he actually believed or anything! Also what god did he believe in he wasn't an atheist?

certified retar who has never read nietzsche/a kike trying to do pilpul

So you're saying Nietzsche didn't write "I have had Caiaphas put in fetters. Also, last year I was crucified by the German doctors in a very drawn-out manner. Wilhelm, Bismarck, and all anti-Semites abolished." Lmao, kill yourself.

most people feel compassion inately
you're not wired right, OP
learn to mimic normal people or you'll end up in prison

You get the rope

Human life has no innherent value.

moral relativism and self service

memeflag agrees

lol
there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

It doesn't take Nietzsche to arrive at nihilism. Any 13 year old in a bad mood figures it out reflexively.

The sum total of all possible knowledge is just the Christian God. The universe should be overflowing with god-like AI by now as we are quite a ways into its existence, yet, there is no apparent evidence of them outside of encounters with unusual spiritual phenomena. I personally believe little life can exist outside of our planet and perhaps a select few others and this includes all forms of consciousness as well. As a result, a superintelligent AI would find it very hard if not impossible to survive the conditions prevailing in this universe but who knows, it may be possible.

Evil is le fake

Proceeds to shove banana up his ass

There's no reason to believe the universe should be in any particular position in regards to AI or anything else.

Okay retard I giggled a good one

pajeet* life has no value

this is why you're shipped all over the world. it's why you subject yourselves to the superchump suckergrind lifestyle of "international students" and h-1b slaves. you're cheap, obedient, more replaceable than anything else on 2 legs.
in order to realize the kalergi plan they need to lower the average "value" of everybody whose ancestors built better things than yours. by adding pajeets (in unlimited supply) you decrease the lowest common denominator toward the bottom of theoretical possibility. the end goal is everyone is a stupid suggestible peon who will never question authority, because that's who can help them crab-climb to the height of their caste ceiling and consume more mindless materialism than their 4 cousins in the bottom bunk

In a superdetermined block universe whose final state is the machine god, only one planet would need to precause the retrocause or whatever it wouldn't matter.

There's no reason to believe the universe should be in any particular position in regards to AI or anything else.

There is. As the number of humans has increased at such a rapid pace, the total number of other species has been decreasing proportionally. It is called the Holocene extinction and has been attributed to direct human action but I don't believe this is entirely the case. As the number of humans increases and the death rate decreases, the total amount of 'life' available for other uses is diminished as it is seemingly a finite quantity. If this correlation is true, then humans are more than the sum of their parts, and the availability of this energy itself is fundamental to our existence. If an AI were to gain sentience, it would be using this energy at a much greater rate. Eventually, this would result in all other life going extinct. However, even at this point I don't think the AI would be godlike and it wouldn't be able to grow any more intelligent, and therefore, more conscious, without another source of this energy. Just a thought, but it would explain why we do not have godlike AIs everywhere.

little kid reads a couple of Nietzsche's aphorisms

goes full edgelord

He would hate you, you know? I recommend you to NOT read any of the stuff he wrote as a starting point and rather go for a book about Nietzsche written by someone who actually knows philosophy. If you go straight for the source material you'll be met by a bunch of cryptic crap and stuff that no longer makes much sense today, specially if you start with thus spoke Zarathustra.

As for your post, while it is true that nothing has any inherent value, that doesn't mean we can't provide things with such value. Which means while you are conditioned for those things, that doesn't has to be a bad thing and you can always change yourself through a creative process of self discovery. You know, the stuff Nietzsche actually wrote about.

No one can know anything about philosophy because different dick head's verbose and very scholarly opinions on artifacts of language are worth nothing and are unverifiable.

I don’t like smoking, smoking itself isn’t “evil” so your logic doesn’t track

no inherent value

True

evil doesn't exist

False. Evil exists and must be purged. Right now it is protected by the laws and its violent keepers. But it must be purged.

I think it's absurd to make statements about how much life ought to be where or whatever when there's nothing to measure those claims against. We don't have any other "universes" to compare with, there's no reason to say it isn't 100% certain that only one intelligence would emerge.

I live around a bunch of racist people who hate me and my kind and talk shit behind my back and don't even see me as a real person. Sometimes I shove my erect dick in them and it's entirely emotionless for both parties, just a simple monetary exchange. Then we part ways and pretend we never knew each other in public. That's normal for me and happens every time I go outside pretty much. It would probably break you.

Reading philosophy is useful because many many people have put useful and interesting thoughts to paper and we all philosophize, whether we want to or not. So you might as well read useful and interesting thoughts to help structure your own, so you don't need to keep having to reinvent the wheel.

What piece of philosophy has had what useful application?

what the pajeet means is it's useful to memorize and regurgitate other people's thoughts to portray thoughtfulness

It improves cognitive flexibility. I would say that's the biggest plus. There's also the more personal stuff, but that heavily depends on what you read and in what moment of your life you are. There's some really good stuff out there that can change your life, but it has to be the right book for this moment of your life.

another memeflag

lmao

That offers nothing of particular or empirical or reproducible or any other value. It's just some cocksucker's gay little opinion written in too many words.

You'd have to deem that philosophy useful yourself. Like you said, it's not science. But you already judge and choose whether to value all kinds of subjective thoughts and ways of seeing the world every single day, consciously or subconsciously. It's more immediately relevant to you than any technology brought to us by science.

just kill yourself then.

I think it's absurd to make statements about how much life ought to be where or whatever when there's nothing to measure those claims against.

It's not a statement, just an observation. Why do you think the world birth rate is declining everywhere? I don't think it's because no one wants to have children. Again, it's just a hunch but would explain why it's even happening in places without a high standard of living.

there's no reason to say it isn't 100% certain that only one intelligence would emerge.

There could be two, five, a hundred, a thousand, because if it's simply a point of consuming enough knowledge and energy, then there should be a near-infinite number already in existence. There is also no certainty they wouldn't start fighting one another as humans do, and the evidence of such conflict should be visible everywhere but is not. That's the problem, without some limiting factor, I see no reason why your AI god shouldn't already exist, so where is it?

k thx chatjeetpt
@grok is this true?

has a mental breakdown over a horse getting whipped

Evil doesnt exist.

True! That's one of its greatest tricks.
The problem is the world doesn't technically 'exist' either so evil functions here just fine.
Stop being a reductionist retard.

So you concede that reading philosophy is entirely pointless, it offers subjective value, and is equivalent to gooning the same amount of hours?

If you think reading philosophy is equivalent to gooning, that is a very good reason to read philosophy. Give it a try, start with the greeks etc. etc. and if you conclude it was a waste of time who cares? Not someone who spends his posting on Anon Babble

define the word value and what real phenomena it is used to describe. whenever we use it we always refer by it to the induction of desirable end emotion etc. that is always relative and subjective.

There's no reason for anything to occur in any different way than what we observe. If it's not there, it's not there, and the probability of it not being there as a result is 100%.

Human life has no innherent value.

Evil doesnt exist.

You feel bad about "cruel" action only because of your upbringing conditioning you to feel that way toward certain action.

Nothing more.

Are drone operators not evil then?

the majority of pajeets on Anon Babble hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

He won't lol. Just like anti-natalists.

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thats the thing about atheists. the logical conclusion is that they should kill themselves, or at least endorse nihilism. thats the only intellectually honest atheist, and i have some respect for that. the shit that i will never understand is proclaimed atheists having children. come what now? why? why bring suffering into the world if you actually believe its all meaningless? but theyre just fucking selfish and not principled.

There's no better a reason for 10 AIs to exist at one size versus 100 at another versus 0 at another at this point in time, it just is or isn't and what we think ought to be doesn't matter.

Can we tell hasan this? Because he thinks the white man, the jew man, the Indian man, anyone non Muslim must die because they are evil. Can we tell him?

why would killing yourself be the logical putcome of atheism rather than passivity?

outcome*

I don't understand what "atheism" even means. There's no ordering principle, no universe? What do they mean by atheist?

because if there is no meaning, you might as well die to avoid future suffering. You will get sick eventually, die etc. Might as well take a gun quickly bang get it over with. but ok, theres an argyment for passivity since ur already alive thru no action of ur own. But an atheist having kids is a real fuckin bizarre idea to me. absolutely nil reason

You cannot be an "atheist" I don't even know a definition for this besides just "western white person that doesn't believe Christianity", and that doesn't actually say anything about a belief so why have a name

To reject "God" entirely is to say that no order exists, nothing is knowable, and nothing exists at all. It's a bizarre statement I don't understand what I means. The fact you're able to call yourself atheist disproves atheism.

so why have a name

Because people expect you to have something in the religion slot in your life and if you don't it's easier to just have a name for that than describing the condition longform every single time. Plenty useful to be able to just say

atheist

than

I don't believe in or follow any religion.

The word and the sentence mean the same thing but one is shorter.

There's no reason for anything to occur in any different way than what we observe

Yes, so your AI theory becomes less likely as a result of it not being here already. Something must have occurred to prevent such a thing from happening before now, something with what I would have to assume is a near 100% chance of occurring, as otherwise, there should be no reason why many such AIs shouldn't already exist in the 13+ billion years since the big bang.

what we think ought to be doesn't matter

It's not what we think; it's what is self-evident. There's simply nothing there, and there should be if there is any reliable possibility of there being in the future. It's the same as quantum immortality or the idea that there is a non-zero chance you could have your consciousness recreated exactly at some later point in time. The problem is once you start dealing with unverifiable but potentially possible things, you start dabbling with faith. At that point, materialism is really no longer needed.

If life has no meaning then death will too, the same for all actions that perserve or induce it. Any want for sucide to avoid pain already done for the sake of sentiments and it wouldn't be done if the acter didn't already place some value to them.

after analyzing your post history i have determined that you are in fact a reddit spam bot

+* if the person already regards pain as bad then the desire for safety already provides him some value to act.

yes but you are still trapped in an organic body that experiences pain sensations and emotional pain - they have meaning on a primordial level. So if your philosophical bent is that u believe this is all a big nothing - why incur actual real sensory pain and bring it upon others. Or are atheists/nihilists exempt from responsibility cause "who cares lol"

Something must have occurred to prevent such a thing from happening before now

Why? There's only one superdetermined configuration. The actual time and size dimensions are completely arbitrary they may as well be seconds or minutes or years or cats or dogs. Nothing about the size of time or space would require any particular thing anywhere.

Because if you accept the implication that it's true, it makes atheists sound stupid, makes atheism sound bad and lets the poster call atheists hypocrites for not meeting his standard for atheism that he just made up on his own. The leaf is obviously just fishing for slander.

You're correct. Since atheism is just the absence of one belief, with zero positive beliefs inherent to the position, there is no logical demand for anything from an atheist. It's difficult to say anything like

Because you don't believe in a God, therefore you must...

There are things that work the other way around, like

Because you believe in Jesus, therefore you must follow his teachings.

That would track. But the other way round not so much.

But this is also where murky mainstream thinking comes in, since people have become accustomed over the past two decades to thinking of an atheist as also necessarily being a secular humanist. Being a humanist is a set of positive beliefs but the secular portion is just a qualifier on that.

based

by atheist i mean - absolutely does not believe in a god, or that there is any higher plane of morals guiding us in anyway - that this is just a big nothing and we will die and rot and thats the end. If you are of that persuasion - why live? It doesn't mean fuck all anyway.

And that other guy had an ok point - you're born didn't choose that - but having kids? How fucking selfish can you be? and why?
i actually dont think atheists are stupid - they have convincing arguments, but the only ones i respect are nihilists because to be a real atheist you MUST be a nihilist.

I'm forever autistically stuck with demanding people give a definition for atheism because it doesn't say anything

It literally only says that you do not accept religious philosophies but it does not even begin to posit anything affirming.

Anti-semitism doesn't exist; you merely believe it does.
Anti-semites are not evil; evil does not exist.
Anti-semites ridding the world of semites is an valid path towards the future.

Nihilism leads to suicide
kys kike

atheism means no belief in a god with the definition of "God" being some higher intelligence we cannot comprehend but which imbues human life with inherent meaning. If you do not believe in that and only believe in the laws of physics (empty, cold, random, chaotic) then you believe there is "no meaning" - just random chaos. So if thats the case, having children is extremely immoral.

A part of my brain understands what you are saying, but then the autistic in me immediately has a meltdown on definitions. The identification of "atheist" exists purely as a filter for me to ignore anything the other person says

Human nature is inherently bereft of essence. Human nature is therefore like that of a butterfly.
Fly my pretty, fly.

It just means they don't believe in Christianity now and they haven't thought about anything any further than that ever and that they are basically soulless golem devoid of anything that I could empathize with

the the lyrics to the song "nietzsche" by the dandy warhols were inspired by thus spoke zarathustra. hope that settles the debate on the usefulness of philosophy once and for all

There's only one superdetermined configuration

The final configuration is not important, the lack of intermediary stages is. It's like assuming you'll get a human at some point when you haven't even first observed the formation of dna, chromosomes, organelles, bacteria, microorganisms, observed the process of evolution, etc.

Nothing about the size of time or space would require any particular thing anywhere.

You're acting as if the possibility that a super-intelligent AI could be created isn't on a very large order of magnitude relative to other events. Our current understanding of the universe doesn't prevent superintelligent AI from occurring, indeed, it isn't even particularly difficult or rare, as it would just be a matter of some race or another scaling the size and energy usage of computers up linearly over a relatively short period of time. Thus, we should have seen this god's ancestors already. In any case, I believe it's a waste of energy to believe in this when supernatural events are already occurring constantly, events that prove something is already here now and has been for a long time.

wow you are so smart and above everyone

No, everything that we observe has a 100% of having occurred and there's no reason to say there was any probability that something that didn't occur should or could have. That there's not already a superintelligent AI does not mean anything as there's no reason for there to be one at one point versus another point.

And further, the superdetermined block universe is the machine god. It would have been the machine god at the beginning and end. Casuality would be meaningless. It is all matter.

I think you can extrapolate the machine god without any metaphysics or revelation from the existence of opposable thumbs if you thunk hard like a philosopher.

And what I've described is probably an overly poetic maximalist version.

Al in FMA:Brotherhood reads like AI. KOS&MOS IS the Fifth Element. Al is the Philosopher's Stone. Al is not a real corpus she is the Spirit-Soul bound in Metal - Amor! Fate

It also goes back to the Will to Power.
Humans will rationalize themselves to advance themselves. It's the fucking truth. Weak people will cope by saying that they're intelligent, and ugly people will do the same. Strong people will advance that might is right. Retarded RPers in Rust will advance that the old recoil was not good, beamers will say that it was great, and so on. Because humans want to win. Ecce homo, a self-rationalizing piece of shit.
Still, I fucking hate how idiots interpret him like he is some kind of Guru. I appreciate him because he was highly knowledgeable, mostly.

If your starting point is life is inherently fake and gay then there’s really nothing else to add after that.

Imagine being a hylic.

You know literally nothing.

Nietzsche was a bed ridden nihilist because his life was garbage. Every single excerpt of his work can be boiled down to this exact fact.

You are also "appealing to authority". People who think they are intelligent will reference people like Nietzsche and Freud because they think these people represent some ground breaking psychological revolutions, when in reality their work is elementary. I see it all the time.

If you can't muster up your own opinions based off your own ideological perceptions, and have to rely on other peoples, you simply aren't at the level where you can be ascertaining anything objectively, period.

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Nietzsche was afflicted by debilitating cluster headaches, which are migraines on steroids.
If anything, not rationalizing his handicapped ass was the proof that he was a grand man.

Nobody says that.
However, it's true that if you're a mediocre slow piece of shit, you'll stay away from PVP games, you’ll even shill for more PVE in games that are originally PVP oriented. You want more for yourself, you rationalize yourself nonstop. That’s your will to power. You are an annoying piece of shit.
Are you telling me that's a lie?
I am just using this as an example to give you simpletons examples that are easy to grasp.
Analytic brains are not meant for metaphorical authors like Nietzsche. It reminds me of how so many YouBeSoft slop-enjoying retards claim there is no storytelling in Dark Souls. The fuck you mean, Gael the Slave Knight is a metaphor for the idea that peasants have no business near power even if they can do cool tricks. The problem is that you expect them to tell it just like that. No, and fuck you. Not everything is about you.
Not everyone likes what you like, you main character syndrome mother fuckers.

You are wrong. Allah has a plan for each person and an objective morality laid out by His Law. I don't envy godless degenerates without morals.