Lmao. India single handedly destroyed Western Europe's Aeronautical military industrial complex. They truely are the #PooperPower2020.
Lmao. India single handedly destroyed Western Europe's Aeronautical military industrial complex...
no stealth no hope
t. f35 customers
imagine still buying jets. Don't forget your supply of pikes and flails.
Drones are way cheaper than jets. Anti-air missile systems are better than jets at defence. The only reason you'll need a jet is if you are using it to drop gliding dumb bombs like Russia's FAB-1500.
anythign that indians touch turns to shit. This is the fault of white people for making deals with indians.
Oui
Western Europe is a rotting corpse. A complete non entity on the world stage. It’s future will be a Muslim infested waste with a few sections walled off to serve as theme parks for American and Chinese tourists
Rafale are pure trash + jets are outdated shit now.
Everyone use drones.
imagine blaming the aircraft and not the pajeet behind the wheel. he was probably busy trying to honk his horn and couldnt be bothered to look at the radar
->It can reach speeds of up to Mach 5
->beyond-visual-range
features an LPI Radar, which increases lethality
With 35Gs as its max G pull, the PL-15 is a powerhouse.
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Rafale had no chance of survival.
This chinese missile is the terminator of fighter jets.
France really shouldn't have sold India those Rafales.
Insane how a single country can destroy the reputation of a tried and tested fighter jet.
So what's the verdict on these jets? I thought the fiasco was due to Indians being incompetent and not knowing how to operate them properly. Is there something fundamentally wrong with the jet itself?
and that retard vance is trying to get them to buy f-35s. you could give them f-22s and they'd still find a way to get shot down by a mig 21 kek. you just know the indian pilots are taking selfies in the cockpit when going in for a dogfight
indian pilots and also the shitty russian AWACs they use. pakistan actually has quite an advantage in that area. situational awareness and competency is what wins fights. the indians probably went up expecting it to be a surprise attack then they walked into paki air force which were already airborne and waiting
Who wants to bet the Americans helped the pakistanis trying to avoid the european military industrial complex from getting any orders?
Bwahahahah
EUcucks also want Indian immigrants.
Glorious times ahead
The aircraft in the "largest dogfight since WWII" were firing missiles at each other from 80 to 150km away. They never even saw each other. What the conflict really shows is that Pakistan's missiles were better than India's missiles. I think if the Rafales had the same missiles the J-10s had then the number of shot down aircraft would be the same for both sides.
I guess the chinks do make some really good shit. This will be a thread full of coping globohomo trannies though
Aaaand. It's fake !
Pakis getting bombed and their ass kicked for 3 days straight, all while only maybe downed only 2 planes really made the mad.
You have to consider that they were being flown by Indians.
Frankly I'm amazed they made it off the ground.
An updated f-4 phantom is all that is needed. let the missiles do the work.
Like said, if they were being flown and maintained by indians who knows what happened. These are the people that flooded their $3b nuclear submarine because they left the hatch open
GO BACK
Big mistake indeed.
Fake pilots scam
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f-fake news!
It's not fake news that they suspended the order. They suspended the order, did a gay little investigation and then reactivated the order.
wait wait wait, so youre telling me a plane from 1986 is no longer up to date?
Should have boght Gripen.
S400 can spot those.
the Rafale's finest hour
what was its finest hour? it failed in its first combat situation
The F-16 is from the '70s and still doing fine (after many overhauls)
The idea that people think a 70s f16 and a today f16 are the same is retarded. There have been numerous updates to it.
smart observation. thats exactly the kind of boring economic shit they do. if they cared about us the two countries would have destroyed each other completely.
God I hate India so much.
First they shit up national parks with their sandaled gaggles clogging up the trails and view points, polluting it with their disgusting language. Now they are shitting up and directly harming the reputation of the industry I worked incredibly hard to get into.
you give a retard a Ferrari and crash the car into a wall
somehow this is Ferrari fault
then people won't buy american slop after 5-10 F35 fell out of the sky without any missiles being launched at them
The Rafale also received upgrades over the years.
Indians pilots overestimated
Chinese PL-15 missiles underestimated
Rafale had to face the music.
It was never suspended and the investigation never happened seeDeliveries already started and will be finished by 2029. Everything about this is from russian and chinese fake news ai websites. Russian are salty because the Rafale raped them on lot of markets and chinese are salty because Indonesia brought the Rafale to face them. Overall, losing a plane for a reason we still dont know about against a nuclear power is not that much of a problem. 2 F-15 and 1 Eurofailure got lost against houthis who dont even have an airforce and those planes still sell and nobody care.
There's this funny phenomenon where western military industry sells some of its best equipment to third world shitholes who proceed to maintain it improperly (if at all) and blunder it away in poorly managed combat, causing the whole arms industry to panic.
It happened with the british Chieftain tank in the Iran-Iraq war. It happened with the US Abrams in the Saudi Arabia's war with Yemen. It's happening here now.
The truth is that equipment can't fight for you and even the best equipment in the world is worthless if you suck with it. It's silly to draw too many conclusions from races that are currently and historically terrible warriors bashing lego against each other in a grim simulacra of western warfare.
and that retard vance is trying to get them to buy f-35s.
LMAO "F35 diplomacy" is unironically the US's most powerful tool, and its how we brought europe to its knees forever
"F35 diplomacy":
be europe
have aging jets need replaced badly
call US
"Just wait for the f35! upgrade your current ones and run them untill the wheels falll off..by then ill have your brand new spankin f35 fleets delivered! no problem!"
*more times goes by*
*wheels literally fall off euro jets, and they cant fly*
"geee sorry about those F35's....we promise, plan&expect to deliver your *checks notes* first batch of block1 obsolete f35s by *checks notes again* first quarter 2034!!!!"
"No refunds"
and thats how you erase an entire continents air power without a single shot fired
This honestly drones are the future. Many small cheaper drones.
F-15 and 1 Eurofailure
and no customers care because saudi has a reputation for absolute dog shit pilots who get the job because of connections and do it to look cool. india has the same deal
Are you implying that third world shit hole people are less than us? Are you implying the content of their character and ethic is different and not up to snuff?! You fucking bigot!!!
Gripen would be defenceless against the PL-15 as well. Specially with indian pilots
lmao, the Anon Babble nigger is off his containment board
pic related
gotta protect the jeets ego right!????
lmfao your pathetic nigger ass was thumping this retarded
"its fake!"
shit on Anon Babble (where it belongs) and even on that dogshit board you were met with the obvious Anon Babbleoping accusations you deserve
yes and piloted jets will be double-obsoleted by AI piloted jets
Should have boght Gripen.
yah definitely
that way, when you get uppity about them, the US can yank your engines and engine support, and you'll have a really neat paper weight to show for it
fake source
eglin talking points
mutt MIC propaganda
Do fuck off
Poos acted carelessly. They used the fighters that were using for the bombing run to defend against pakis. But of course none of them had long range BVR missiles since they came back from say bombing missions. They had no Meteors missiles to outrange the chink PL-15 and got fired upon without being able to counter the pakis, because they dont had the right loadout.
What we know is, they lost a Rafale, but we dont even know if it was because of missile or jeet failure.
What we also know is that others Rafale dodged multiples PL-15, since we have missiles wreckages but no fighter losses in some other places. PL-15 probably did not performed as good as people think. And the next days, Pakistan got bombed everydays, without being able to counter jeet raids anymore.
Pretty sure it's mutts too, salty cause we'll be spending our defense bucks in europe
Yes, they are that pathetic
True.
Weren't frogs and krauts hon-hon-honing about how they are going to build European military without drumpf? What a pathetic joke
Also no killswitch though.
youre STILL coping for jeets
holy fuck the absolute state of Anon Babble niggers
jeet jets
kill yourself
Anon Babbleuck
Please dont insult me mutt. If you want to suck chinks and pakis dicks, you can probably go to London since you seem interested by it.
Tried and tested platform.
Against what? Mig 21? Sandniggers?
You will get a reality check when one of your stealth planes gets shot down.
Oh it already happened once.
Unfortunately drones are not yet capable for proper air-to-air combat. They would probably have to be equipped with AI that could do it.
Right, it is called dispositif de coupure rapide instead.
Oh, i'm sure anglo-mutts will never fail to jump on their allies better than their enemies, like they always do.
no argument
shilling for mudslimes
Good kike slave you are
It was the new missile tech that took out the rafale, which in essence was a drone of itself that is fired beyond range over the horizon and finds its own target.
Truth is Indian planes were trying to hit Terrorist camps and not the Pakistani military in the beginning.
Where was the Pakistani military and army when we were attacking their air bases and defences the next day?
Same IAF Planes and missiles in the sky but they ran away knowing this time we were coming after them. LMAO
Pot calling the kettle a nigger
peaceful.
I'm scared now.
As others have pointed out in this thread - this is most likely because of the pilots. When the Tuskegee airmen (American blacks) went up against German pilots who had planes from the 30s and two weeks of training, the niggers lost despite having brand new planes.
mudslime
I hate faggot nigger jew vocabulary so much its unreal
costs more than an F-22
same performance as an F-16
It's a good plane, it just costs way too much money. Especially with the retardedly expensive tech transfer demands these dumb countries keep making.
Who the fuck cares what expensive toys gypsies in India play with?
Stop fucking bothering civilized people with your bragging you cigáni.
Get your own fucking internet.
well that explains why zogbots tested syphilis on those niggers
Where were these superior paki pilots the next day? One even lost his life on the ground. KEK
Czech republic
Irrelevant
Pajeets are right to start bombing these paki shits.
Just look at what paki's do in the west.
Fucking animals.
I would say, bomb them back to the stoneage, but most of these fuckers are already there.
You are the same. Rapey browns.
damn, it's really pathetic you have to threaten your customers into buying your crap, then being surprised when they do a 360 and walk away
The only reason you'll need a jet is if you are using it to drop gliding dumb bombs like Russia's FAB-1500.
i believe its designed to drop tactical nuclear bombs into russian central commands, so all their antiair including ballistic missile defense is kaput
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Currently, Indonesia mostly fields F16AM, F16-C/D, SU-27 and SU-30.
Do you have a source with this?
Pretty much every modern fighter is multi-mission capable and will carry a few BVR missiles for self-defense even with a bombing loadout.
if you cant afford the F-35 or Eurofighter you need to get up from the adult table and go sit at the retard table with India
F-22 cost 200 millions while Rafale cost 67 millions.
What are you on ?
Multi-missions mean you can plug a new mission computer on the plane right before the mission for every types of say missions. Rafale was sold has "Omnirole". Meaning you didn't needed to plug a mission computer for each types of missions (like in F-teens, Mirages or SUs). But just use a switch to go from land to air attack mode for example.
Fighters on bombing runs normally dont carry BVR missiles, but Fox2 for self defense. Rafale is one rare of a fighter that also carry BVR missiles while on bomb runs. But say BVR missiles are MICAs missiles (not long range BVR missiles like Meteor or PL-15).
From what we know, and we know it because both indians and pakis told us. India used the fighters that were coming back from the bombing runs to intercept pakis planes that went from passive to aggressive after the bombing run was performed. India rerouted the fighters to deter pakis fighters from entering indian airspace. But pakis weren't interested in that and only wanted to score hits on Indian planes. Expecially Rafales from their own saying. In the end they say to have shot almost 80 missiles against indian planes, but it seem they scored only 2 critical hits (if ever we can really attribute the lose of a Rafale and SU-30 to PL-15 missiles). And there is PL-15 wrekages, where they say the engaged an downed 3 Rafales, while we have no Rafale wreckages overthere. But 100km further to the south. Meaning The Rafale engaged overthere dodged a big bunch of missiles from what we know and was say.
Honestly they could just put a VR set on an operator and have them control it remotely, without the human element there would be no G force restrictions other than structural ones.
Multi-missions mean you can plug a new mission computer on the plane right before the mission for every types of say missions.
No, it means that the aircraft can do multiple types of missions with a single loadout. For example bombing and self-escort at the same time. Multirole means that it can do multiple mission types, but not necessarily at the same time.
you didn't needed to plug a mission computer for each types of missions
You absolutely don't plug in a mission computer for those jets, at most a data cartridge that uploads weapon configuration, waypoints, etc.
All of those jets also have a switch to go from air-to-air to air-to-ground mode seamlessly, this isn't really a unique feature but rather something that almost every modern jet has.
Fighters on bombing runs normally dont carry BVR missiles, but Fox2 for self defense.
They absolutely do. Also fighter jets on bombing run aren't loaded to max weight with bombs, they only carry a few of them so they are still maneuverable enough for air combat. They carry both fox2 and fox1 or 3. And if you need more bombs you add more jets to the package instead of removing the missiles.
Rafale is one rare of a fighter that also carry BVR missiles while on bomb runs.
Again, this is the norm nowadays. It would be rare and stupid for a fighter jet to go on any mission without a few missiles to defend itself.
In the incoming futur, we'll have onboard recordings of IAF F-35 downed by EAF Rafales related to Sinaï airspace enforcement activities the likes of the Turkish airspace enforcement downing of a RU Su-24.
Well, India might even implement onboard recordings in order to shade light on futur aerial engagements.
The same with Russians implementing onboard recordings longing for a UKR F-16 / Mirage-2000
There's also a potential for Qatar's fleet
Yes.
Skill issue from India.
Onboard recording.
Are you really believing in the trash paki propaganda?
It’s like some jeet buying and crashing a Ferrari into a wall and then blaming Italy for making the car, india literally uses wooden sticks in warfare it’s not reasonable to give a shit about their mistakes
You can't buy an F-22 so he's kind of right.
That would be quite a relatively safety bet though.
Just have to check the amount of agit prop, seething along displaying obvious fakes, the list goes on, to have a good sense of it.
As this other anon put it, smart observation indeed !
losing a couple fighters jets in some spam run doesnt seem like a bad thing. its just jeets, what do you expect. they're not jews or whites
nah eurinepeeins are just this incompetent
It has no choice tho. Either you sell to foreign buyers or the French military will face an unacceptable cost.
France can't just buy 2000 of the thing to drive down the cost.
An updated f-4 phantom
Underrated, but not for the intended purpopse I would say
See Picrel
Loses dozens of drones (each $30M worth) to houthis.
Loses 3 jets to sea in a week.
First nation to lose a stealth jet.
Sar
US does this to the UK repea†´dly.
"Buy Skybolt missile, dont make your own!"
Cancels Skybolt missile after years.
UK makes TSR. 2, an F1-11 competitor.
"Don't use that, we will sell you F1-11!"
UK cancels TSR. 2.
USA withdraws F1-11 offer. Ha! No no hard feelings limey.
once.
once despite flying thousands of sorties over heavily defended airspace in multiple warzones for months on end
meanwhile jeets lose a jet everytime they go up against pakis... and over indian territory kek
already happening, they've got a fully AI f-16 that has been going up against humans and winning
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Sir you want to say something about the predator drones India (deal worth $4B) is buying from your country.
replace the rafale with the f35
Lolno. The 35 is dogshit air to air. Its basically flying artillery and flying is being generous.
If they stop buying Rafales theyll want F15s or F18s. Nobodys going to be allowed to buy F22s for at least another 20 years.
Heavily defended.
The only time a defending country had something (old air defence unit) to defend you lost a fucking stealth plane.
those drones were probably made by jeets, and the jets lost were probably due to nonwhites as well. the us is not a white country
It is just good...French need to now improve it a lot. Every ship, tank, and plane goes obsolete eventually.
no one expects reapers to be survivable. they aren't stealth and are slow as fuck. the USAF is wanting to retire 100 of them over the next couple of years (out of 300), they used to use predators as SAM bait over the balkans and iraq. get the enemy to give up location of their SAMs.
they have stealth drones like RQ-180 and other shit. reapers are useless against even rudimentary air defense systems. same reason you never hear of bayraktars in ukraine anymore.
True! India also lost the Rafael because of a dalit pilot.
Too much latency. Do you think that will work if there was air combat over the arctic?
MAN IN THE AIR CONTROLLING A SWARM YOU FUCKING MORONS
they're no jews
Israeli military is jeet grade though. They're hilariously pathetic.
Stealth drones.
Forgot about the one Iranian hacked and landed in their territory?
Baghdad was the most heavily defended airspace in the world in 1991. They still had a pretty credible system in 2003 and the US even told exactly when they were going to attack so it wasnt even a surprise and they still couldnt find them with their CAP planes or SAMs.
The serbia shootdown is well documented, the f-117s made the error of flying the same route every night so the SAM operator knew where to set up and even he claims a lot of it was luck (and hubris on the part of the US). theres a good documentary out there- the SAM operator and F117 pilot became good friends.
99% of our airforce is from 1986
that's a (you) problem m80
It's also happened with the Ukies wasting the military might of the whole western industrial military complex...
Don't forget the UKR weapon failure, that pic of tanked Challengers, Abrams etc at the time of the Coonter-Offensyiv ?
Stuck in minds, although brushed quickly, but still engrained into subconsciousness...
It stinked, and the smell is stainingly remaining into a buble, not disersing itself away...
Operators training are paramount to aptly use very specific equipment as a rule of thumb...
As a germanon said, give a ferrari to x, crashing the ferrari on its first drive, somehow it was a faulty ferrari...
(Apart from the autcombustioned ones though...lol sry Italianons, I just couldn't resist...)
Most heavily defended.
What air defence systems did they have?
SAM operator and pilot became good friends.
Doesn't change the fact that SAM operator slapped the US stealth jet to ground.
F-35 is like a mix of f-16 and f-18 when it comes to manueverability. You're using way outdated info when the initial test jets were limited to like 5G. That doesn't even touch on the 360 degree sensors the F-35 gives you for complete situational awareness. It dominates pretty much everything aside from F-22 in air to air exercises.
And the radar on the f-35 shits all over everything else when it comes to BVR combat. saying f-35 is shit air to air is a take from someone whos total knowledge of air combat comes from a playstation game
If you hand a monkey an AK-47, do you expect the monkey to be proficient with it?
This is exactly the same as handing Rafales to a bunch of streetshitting pajeets.
F-35 is an unproven platform until it is out to test against other same generation planes or air defence built to counter it.
It's so unproven mutts try to keep it away from S400 all the time.
Was thinking about buying Rafael stock a few months back
didn't
Wew.
Dodged a bullet there
jeets are coping hard. i think the world uniting over the extermination of the jeet will bring world peace
Sar your monkey crew lost 3 jets to sea in a week to accidents.
At least ours was lost(not confirmed) in a real battle.
And yet, you sad fucks go runing to America every time.
At the start of the Gulf War in January 1991, Iraq's air defense system was one of the most formidable in the world, designed to protect its airspace from both regional and Western threats. Here's a concise overview:
Composition: Iraq's air defense was a layered, Soviet-style integrated system. It included early warning radars, surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems like the SA-2, SA-3, SA-6, and SA-8, and anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) such as ZSU-23-4 Shilka guns. The system was centralized, with Baghdad as the hub, coordinated by the Kari command-and-control network.
Strength: Iraq fielded over 7,000 SAM launchers and thousands of AAA pieces, supported by a network of radars and observation posts. Its air force included interceptors like MiG-21s, MiG-25s, and Mirage F1s, though these were less effective against advanced coalition aircraft.
They also had some french SAMs. they managed to down quite a few 4th gen systems but no stealth aircraft despite them being the only ones used over baghdad at the beginning. Iraq operated the exact same SAM system (SA-3) that brought down the f-117 over serbia, again that came down to a lot of luck and bad planning- the F-117 did not even have radar warning receivers- which is partly why it was retired. Modern planes like the F-22 or B-21 tell you on your display where SAMs are radiating from- the f-117 in serbia flew right over him without knowing.
It's so unproven mutts try to keep it away from S400 all the time.
why would they want russia gaining all that knowledge? itd be retarded. theres a reason they always fly with luneberg lenses when intercepting russian bears etc.
you want a jet, you act like you want a jet. Also don't dare to use that shit against our allies or we will fuck your ass mid air. No ejection either. Clear? Congratulations, you are now America's bitch.
Yuck, a pajeet replied to me. I have to wash my hands now.
extreme cope
the f35 is a flying brick the only good fighter in the west is the f22
What we also know is that others Rafale dodged multiples PL-15, since we have missiles wreckages but no fighter losses in some other places. PL-15 probably did not performed as good as people think
They need to cement the idea that the PL-15 is mighty so it will work many purposes:
- Fear prop, instilling doubts about being unable to dodge PL-15 into pilots (although most are "immune" to that but still, it can take a toll on some eventually
-Claiming dominance over a specific sector can eventually be driving up their export sales to unsuspecting/prop-proned prospects
Plainly ! But it's on par with the profile of our lidars ie lacking any receptors...
Could you try to have access to some debriefs infos, or report regarding the operation that led to the loss of one of your Rafale please ?
That would be quite interesting to know more about it if you could find some
Baguettes also refused to share source code with Indians. This has to be #scamofthecentury
ah another "if you buy russian we will sanction you to hell" "free trade" agreement with fartmerica, you got to love this place.
your jets are the worst in the world however
russia is losing. you wouldn't have to post on an american vpn shilling for russia if they weren't
I unironically don't understand what jets and tanks are doing in the current year. The war in Ukraine really exposed all that lofty expensive shit and warfare should be redefined altogether based on drones and long range missiles.
keep coping kike, maybe starve some more kids in Gaza if you are so butthurt
Jeets are smart and make AI great.
that jet always was a turd.
Doesn't mean shit because the terrain wasn't in favour of defence.
North Vietnam had lesser air defence units and still kicked American asses.
It's all about logistics, terrain and will to fight a war which Iraqis lacked from the beginning.
Did they shoot down any "drones?"
F-35 is like a mix of f-16 and f-18 when it comes to manueverability
Lol. Lmao even.
russia lost, look at you having to pretend to be an american online. you can't even win the internet battle. what a pathetic subhuman you are. you're such a loser nigger race LOL
SAAR THE TERRAIN WAS NOT FAVORABLE!!!
lmao never change seethejeets
They've gone up against the houthis who are using modern air defense systems. None have been shot down despite being deployed in combat operations. Can't say the same for the Indian Rafales
The whole point of a UAV is that it can be lost and nobody cares
North Vietnam had lesser air defence units and still kicked American asses.
you mean do to american rules of engagement there? they couldn't attack NV airfields or SAM sights unless fired upon, and couldnt attack docks or other supplies heading there. the soviets/US were a lot closer in tech back then. vietnam was a big reason the US went all in on high tech stuff and left soviet/western stuff behind. It wasn't even close by the time the 90s arrived. and that gap has gotten further, but china has definitely surpassed russia.
It's a stealth jet sir! The point is if the S400 can't even see it then why try to hide it.
i dont get why we even sell jets. we need them for the defense of europe. 8 billion are peanuts our safety is not important?
why are we giving away all our equipment, what the fuck is going on here.
what territory did they lose?
Read French anon's reply.
eus problem is the airforce and the frogs want to give awayl 40 fucking jets.
it's in the range of 60-80Millions so quite not close to the F22 nor the F35
Just look it up if you have any doubts about the price range
The new Flankers are a beauty, the Terminator was rad too !
But the original SU-27 was and will remain a gem in the Fighter world !!
Mikhaïl and Pavel really did a fantastic job !
Bravo !
F-Teens
KEK !
Never thought about that word play before lool...
I'll just grab that from you fren hahaha oh ree shee....
PS: quite a meaningfull and detailed post right there so thanks again for that too !
russia is losing.
I've been hearing this every day since 2/25/22. When is it gonna happen?
its true.
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for a while it was performing air shows limited to 6G, its fully 9 now. look at the massive control surfaces and how far back they are. shits all over the f-16. it can do stuff like the falling leaf that previously only thrust vectored jets can do
It also shows that man piloting a jet is obsolete means of warfare. Missiles can take a turn at 40Gs and pilot looses consciousness at 10G. Even an f35 couldn't save you from it.
stealth just drastically reduces how close you can be before being detected, its not invisible to radar- but it'll see you before you can see it.
France is the one pushing to arm European countries and taking control to lead any EU military.
It was a fucking desert nigger. Once the location of air defence and military units were found by Americans it was game over for Iraqis.
Imagine still relying on artillery and tanks during a war, that would be embarrassing.
why would these retards give away our JETS?!
Stealth is a meme and useless against modern detection systems.
israel flew the f35 all over syria when they had s400s deployed and they didn't do shit. russia withdrew its s400 because of the embarrassment
Tom Clancy novels aren't how wars are fought.
Can China ever stop winning?
looks like all of you mutts are dumb fucking niggers.
why would you ever buy a french plane if you can see what french cars are like?
how long does it take to build 40 rafale, god damn our leaders are completely retarded.
F35's wing loading is far too high to be maneuverable at all. There is a reason the F15 is still being made.
its defo better than a donkey
it also meant coalition jets had nothing to hide behind, part of the reason you fly low is to put hills between you and the radar. thats part of the reason neither side can get air superiority in ukraine- its flat as shit in the east so your plane is easy to spot
But Ukrainians got enough cover to hide from surveillance. Enough food and water nearby.
Was it the same for Iraqis left in the desert without food and water?
That's one straightforwarded route to mitigate prop though...
go to about 4:18 in that video and find an f-15 that can do that. F-15 is still being made because it can haul a lot of shit and go fast- so its ideal for homeland defense... and congress wanted boeing to get some work. and the F-15EX will be perfect for doing stuff like shooting down shaheed tier drones with cheap APKWS.
Iran only has s300.
I live the US living rent free in the heads of every dumb toothpaste nigger like you who seethe without knowing what the fuck you're talking about lmao.
We literally don't even think of you at all, keep crying for our attention.
you could put a jeet in the best formula one car and he'd finish 5 laps behind everyone else. the same would be true of 65 iq pakis, but in this case the air force pilots of pakistan were white men.
France should make sure the people they are selling weapon systems to are qualified to operate them effectively. If their equipment is going to be judged without regard to who the operator was, then that is kind of unfair. I dont even like the French but its dumb to judge their weapons based on that.
Video is not that impressive though. The F35 is not very maneuverable. The carrier version is better though.
Gripen only won over here due to extreme lobby against SU-35 and the massive chimpout coming from yankees. Russia even offered to Brazil a participation in T-50 development, technology sharing and local production.
the F-35C (navy version) is limited to 7.5Gs because of all the extra weight making it carrier capable added. the A is 9G and quite a bit lighter.
you're such a dumb nigger. in low to mid altitude it's highly maneuverable. high altitude is the only place where it has issues and that doesn't even matter. its radar is still superior to anything else in the air plus an f35 is gonna be quarterbacking a bunch of f15s which it was designed to do. it's just not gonna be le 1v1 video game duels in the sky. the f35 effectively modernizes your entire air force with its ability to find targets then relay those targets to f15s for example
Jeets pretending to be worth fuck all.
The Czechs even with their population would bend your nation over and fuck you in the mouth in a war, sit the fuck down you slimy rapejeet subhuman, you are "all" of the lowest "caste" faggot.
The F-15EX which is more different from an F-15E than an F18A is compared to the F18E/F is being made because it can hold 12 AMRAAM
The F35 is a very solid aircraft and is more survivable than an F22 in the modern battlefield.
poos cant stop losing
Poos are born losers
Poos lose every day.
With poos…
You lose.
Kek then nvm. I don't see how the F35 is going to pull off 9G maneuvers.
in low to mid altitude it's highly maneuverable
How exactly? Denser air affects all airframes. Also the F35 has low thrust to weight and a fat body. This thing is no dogfighter and everyone knows it.
Sumbhuman Jeets known to lie and scam pathologically calling others statements "propaganda"
Lol, lmao even.
china always gets the best of india
Lockheed appears to be desperate enough to send shills to Anon Babble of all places, kek
Yeah, you'll probably lose them in massively retarded fashion as usual and people will laugh at you, what do you think will happen rapejeet?
there's a bunch that goes into it. basically two engines function better at high altitude because the atmosphere is less dense and you need oxygen for the engine to function. the f35 is known to have high thrust to weight performance with its single engine because it was designed to operate in denser low altitude air space
Is traditional air superiority even that important in a world dominated by cheap low altitude drones?
No I was literally one of the worst F35 haters until it proved itself meanwhile you're using a VPN to look like different people.
EX is also designed for air superiority but also the C and D variants service lives were extended. F35 is a mess and carries 4 missiles internally and after that it's only real advantage, stealth, ends.
Pierre Sprey's garbage still persists are that fucking retard's death.
Man, if only he were alive to see the Jeets drag his precious Rafale's reputation through the shit filled Indian mud.
There is literally no alternative at this point.
There are only 3 serious countries left and that is the US, Russia, and China. Everyone else is a fucking meme or a derivative of those 3.
Why would the Rafale need a kill switch when even Pakistan can do it themselves.
This plus apparently Pakistan went all in on AWACS aircraft. Modern air to air is all beyond visual range and in that space he who detects first, fires first, and he who fires first, wins. India has built their airforce for the war of 1999 and it shows.
until it proved itself
By failing to even fly? Lmao
it'll soon carry 6 amraams internally
twz.com
the AIM-9XblockII was designed specifically for it on the wings and doesn't reduce its stealth
militaryaerospace.com
so it will carry the exact same AA loadout as the f-22. the loyal wingmen program is meant to enhance this.
Vtol shit costs 40 million dollars extra and works exactly like jumpjet from GTA San Andreas.
There is no caste between you Jeets, you're all equally vile and disgusting/retarded.
Cope.
Can we add this one to the jeet copedex?
wut
Peak thrust/weight is around .87 gross which is less than the original F-18 which is a pure multirole aircraft and actually more agile than the super hornet. The F35's engine produces about twice or more the thrust of a single F-18 engine. Both aircraft are spec'd to the same service ceiling, I would hope so because one was sort of supposed to replace the other.
It’s definitely not because white tech is garbage. Definitely couldn’t be that. It has to be brown people who make all your ceos, doctors, and educated people. Ic can’t even remember the last time I saw an educated white.
it has the most advanced radar in the world and with it uses its networking capabilities to target for other fighters such as f15 and even possibly apaches. you could make the argument that as a carrier jet it sucks, but realistic all potential future naval engagements are gonna have f15s within range to support
AWACS vs no AWACS
fucking indians
The F35 is the most survivable and capable aircraft currently in production and there's about 1000 of them and countries that are making their own 5th gen still want them.
Meanwhile pic related
They've flown without being detected by S400s before, I already heard this bullshit cope with how the S300 was some super secret Russian wunderwaffe too, keep getting mogged by the Pakistani Air Force so I can hear more shitskin cope.
Jesus fucking Christ you jeets are insufferable. I guarantee you that all of the best chinese, Brit, American. Russian pilots would navigate it without fail. You fucking inbreds get beaten by 30 year old targeting technology and declare it superior to all humans because no jeet could ever be bested.
Get updated boomer mutt.
Nobody argued it was a truck that fires missiles. The avionics are probably good but of limited use, how good will the "enhanced situational awareness" be when you can't fight close range in the first place?
It's also happened with the Ukies wasting the military might of the whole western industrial military complex...
you mean that time they fought the 2nd most powerful military in the world to a standstill?
what the fuck are you talking about, retard? the f35 is a stealth fighter, the f18 isn't. it doesn't even matter because like i said previously the the f35 uses its superior radar and network capabilities to share information with f15s, f16s, f18s aren't going anywhere, they are all integrated and the f35 is key to that
the F-35 would see the J-10 far before it gets detected so it would get the first shot off. Theres a reason everyone who can is either building their own or buying stealth jets. all this 'proves' is that 4th gen are in trouble.
The 35 is dogshit air to air. Its basically flying artillery
... you know.. historically.. most russian aircraft have been destroyed.. while still on the ground
India single handedly destroyed
india. the destruction of their independent homeland of india is the only thing they can claim to have done without help. they literally needed french help just to have any planes to lose
and how exactly do you figure the enemy is going to get "close range." magic? whoever sees who first and shoots first wins and the f35 can spot you from 100 miles away, probably more. there's not going to be any "close range" fighting and even if there was it's no the f35 in the sky alone. there's gonna be f22s, f15s, f16s and f18s up there too while the f35 sits snugly picking out targets in safety
whoever sees who first and shoots first wins
Not true historically. To say this decides all air engagements is the biggest oversimplification you can make.
It's also happened with the Ukies wasting the military might of the whole western industrial military complex
how many aircraft has ukraine gotten? like 12 old f-16s? the US navy/marines alone have more fighter power than the entire russian military.
And we've given 3-4 patriot batteries- the US has over 50 and they're all tied into the same sensor suite as fighters along with AWACs- and we're already trialing space based AWACs.
ukraine was a dumping ground of obsolete fighting vehicles and towed artillery along with 20 himars that turned the tide out west and forced russia to evacuate kherson etc when their logistics got fucked. the US has over 500 himars launchers kek. F-35 can even find targets and remotely fire HIMARs, not even using its own bombs.
aeronewsglobal.com
russia hasn't seen anything of the actual western MIC
Too bad you guys got the wrong rafale updates from github. I heard they recovered one of the downed pilot’s androids. The last things he searched were
how dogfit rafal plan
how start Rafael plan India air farc
back when missiles weren't as good or ROE meant we had to visually identify aircraft before firing (often the case in iraq due to strict ROE) you could end up in closer range conflict, but thats because we knew we were that far ahead of the iraqis we werent too worried about it. We wouldn't have those ROE against china or russia.
AIM-120D, AIM-260, AIM-174, PL-15 have really changed combat. and as said the F-35 has a massive advantage up close due to 360 degree EODAS where you can literally track a target approaching from the rear and fire an AIM-9x over the shoulder.
no, actually having and holding the initiative is the greatest advantage you can have and the greatest indicator historically of who is gonna win the battle
First off that figure is a full combat load which is not what the standard is for measuring thrust to weight ratio. Typical thrust to weight ratio measurements would land the F35 at a comfortable 1.07 thrust to weight ratio which is in line with modern jets and better than the Rafale, even.
Am not even sure that he understood what I was trying to convey though...
But still gave the benefit of the doubt in my answer...
It's the jeets, not the jets fault.
Hum yeah lol
Just look at this from last week lol
archive.4plebs.org
Nobody noticed the engagement range was fewer than 2 km? That’s like rockets attached to mad max vehicles terrible. You’re going faster than the sound barrier and still can’t engage until high visibility in a light fog?
So the inferiority of the aircraft is the pilot's fault now. Your racism clearly clouds your judgement
it means that the aircraft can do multiple types of missions with a single loadout
No.
Multirole CAN'T chance mission types mid flight. That's the whole points of new planes like Rafale or F-35, where the mission type is not pre-registered before the flight but can be changed mid flight with just a switch. From what i know only the Rafale and F-35 can do it to this extent. Even the last software from the F-16 still not grant him its capability
eglin.af.mil
You absolutely don't plug in a mission computer for those jets
You literally do. Those jets aren't "plug and play". You literally have a guy who physically carry the computer with the update and mission data and plug it into the plane. Everything is pre registered in it before the mission go.
They absolutely do
No.
It's a very new thing and i think outside of the Rafale, only the russians with their last SUs and israeli/US do it with their F-15 (not even sure for the US, but too lazy to found a pic) do it.
this is the norm nowadays
No.
It is absolutly not. Jet only use Fox2 for self defense. Fox3 is very rare. And even wth the Rafale, it's Fox3 but not longue range Fox3. Longue range Fox3 with a +75km NEZ are very new. less than a decade old !
Typical thrust to weight ratio measurements would land the F35 at a comfortable 1.07
Wrong, with comparable loading scheme the F-18 becomes 1.13. Thrust/weight typically give with gross weight instead. at gross, its .87 for the F35 and .96 for the Hornet. For reference the F15 is 1.07 gross.
Off-boresight missiles don't make airframes obsolete or bad airframes good somehow.
despite what you want to believe, jeets are known as major fuck ups, not even capable of making a sandwich. you're seen as dumber than niggers in the west and you've offered nothing to persuad anyone otherwise
keked
True.
from 600 to +180
Not even the US can buy them anyways.
Rafaels are far better than F-16, F-18 or whatever 4-4-5 gen aircraft you got.
French are more reliable and don't give a fuck about woke niggers.
It's better to have france on your side than Americans.
Laughable.
Whatever you say chink AI bot
F-18s did that. In the gulf war there were 2 F-18s that shot down 2 mig-21s with sidewinders, then continued on their mission and bombed an airfield. i believe the f-18 was the first aircraft designed to be able to fight its way in
theaviationgeekclub.com
No, the interiority of Indians.
it's literally like he was thinking 'this works in practice, why won't he fall over' lmfao
I totally meant that time were they stuck themselves in the middle of the line ennemy line of sight, charging forward from miles away, allowing the so called 2nd most powrfull army in the world enough time to prepare itself for a precision run on their sorry equipments...
Precision run cause they disabled a few in front on the sides, and at the back, letting those in the middle position intact.
You are totally right about what you said !
I absolutely do not negate the Ukies ability to fight, nor their willingness to defend themselves at all costs,, which it is something that should commanded indeed !
I was just emphasizing onto the lack of training, skills to use specific equipments and also the tactical frame in which this or this type of equipment is best used...
The relentless Ukie drones are a good example of a weapon that is mastered and use adequatly
Longe range Fox3 missiles and data link are a new thing. So, it's fair game for them to make those claims. After all there is like what ? 5 different models today and all have very limited combat use outside of russians ones in Ukraine.
your own country has 5 times the muslims per capita. not gonna even bother checking other EU countries because i know what i will find.
Keep getting logged by the Pakistani airforce.
Only a brain dead abdul will say this.
Superpower To the standstill .
Afghanistan wasn't Even supported by anyone.
Superior to you bitch
fox2
I speak about Fox3 missiles being used on bombing runs.
Have fox2 missiles for self defence is old has fox2 missiles.
Mutts talking about ze modern warfare.
Mutts in warfare.
F-35 can even find targets and remotely fire HIMARs, not even using its own bombs
Compounded battlefield situational awareness and readiness striking possibilities...
Yes, it's a great thing to have, same as IRpod lighting tragets from 25,000ft for cruise missiles launched from Aircraft carrier or other stations to strike them...
Pretty standard nowadays, but it's not a matter of what equipment, it's a matter of how to use it in light of an opponent that extensive military history and warfare strategical/tactical knowledge...
ukraine was a dumping ground of obsolete fighting vehicles and towed artillery
Agreed, just look at the age of the equipment Russia put up to counter the massive influx of more modern but still old equipments Western_MIC jerk at them, once again, wothout sufficient training...
russia hasn't seen anything of the actual western MIC
Agreed also, the reverse is also true though, Russia didn't show off its latest batches, appart from some rare occasions, and even then , it was so quick, no possibilities to gain much data on it...
israel took a shit all over syria's s300s then russia deployed its s400s in syria and still israel's f35s continued to do whatever they wanted in syria then russia pulls the s400s out of syria, presumably because they were exposed as a joke
PS: I like your picrel !
Saved thx
But to think it got pushed back by AK47s spray and praying sandals mountain dwellers is still unbelievably outstanding military feat.
The cemetery of the empires really held its surname high...
i remember when one of the S-400s got taken out by neptune missiles in crimea the russians tried to cope that they were 'export models' so didn't count kek. then we've seen s-400 get taken out multiple times.
There is a really interesting history fact about the all out missile air dominance concept that started with the early F4s in NAM
If you wanna have a look at it, please go ahead, you'll discover quite a few interesting things I promise you
Picrel just a tldr short of it
It just mean that like you said Missiles tech has changed air dominance dogma, but one mustn't relate just on that when designing interceptors/fighters/bombers
It should be a gloabl approach I'd say...
So the inferiority of the aircraft is the pilot's fault now. Your racism clearly clouds your judgement
Lol
The inferiority of the Dassault Rafale Jeet Fighter is responsible for the pilot fault
FTFY
Why do you even need air-to-air combat? Just kill the pilots whole family in his home country with silent foam drones lol.
You are completely and utterly clueless.
Multirole CAN'T chance mission types mid flight. That's the whole points of new planes like Rafale or F-35, where the mission type is not pre-registered before the flight but can be changed mid flight with just a switch. From what i know only the Rafale and F-35 can do it to this extent. Even the last software from the F-16 still not grant him its capability
F-16s from the 90s literally have a physical AA/AG switch on their Upfront Controller (UFC) that lets you change between modes for the weapon management computers, radar, fire control computer, etc with the flick of a switch. So do F-18s, Eurofighters, Gripens, etc. Hell even the Mirage-2000 had this feature before the Rafale. This is not new, it's literally 80s technology.
You literally have a guy who physically carry the computer with the update and mission data and plug it into the plane.
It's called a data cartridge, which is like a pendrive. It carries weapon loadout and waypoint data, radio frequencies, codes, as I said before. All of this can be programmed from inside the cockpit too, btw. It's just a convenience feature. And you don't need to change the computer to do another mission type.
It is absolutly not. Jet only use Fox2 for self defense. Fox3 is very rare
Here's a classic F-16 pic. Yes, those are 4 bombs and an AIM-120C AMRAAM. Now please stop posting if you don't know jackshit.
Just thought about that the other day:
Wouldn't it be cool if one of the "Cigognes" was to partake in a*friendly" Air-Air / Dogfighting competition during the next/55th Salon du Bourget against US fighters, Gripen, and well sadly no SU/Mig but why not some J-types as the relationship with China is not that bad atm...
Can be done/organised in the timeframe leading to the upcoming show though
I thurst the Cigognes to deliver some babies home for that hehe :)
early f4s are why all the nam boomers had a stroke when the f35 didn't have an internal gun lel
The one thing though is that it's likely you're going to have to ditch your bombs, fuel tanks and be left with just a few missiles. Usually missiles on a strike mission are for self defense and if an aircraft is forced to drop it's ordinance early then the mission was defeated.
american and chinese tourists
lol you uaven't heard of the replica cities chinks built at home to keep their tourists local(and from getting allahu akbar'd)
Indeed, not much providers of Fox3 so nobody can really blame them for trying to game the market, as its a fair in Military OEMs practices, but it still need to be told at least, so others will better grasp the motives behind.
Waiting for the next MBDA releases and mostly the F5... in regards to data link as you said hehe :)
Normally you would have escort with fighters with air-to-air loadout. Fully self escort is rare, especially if the other side has fighters too.
Fuel tanks and especially bombs are only jettisoned if they are forced into close combat/dogfighting, in real life you don't dump all your ordinance if you see a blip on the radar like in videogames.
Sometimes just a radar lock or firing a missile from long range is enough to scare the other party away, then they can continue with the mission, wait for a patrol to help them or just turn back.
The reason that you need jets is to establish air superiority. Of course, your brown skin is used to inferiority. You are safe.
All true but i think they try not to deploy strike fighters in airspace that is contested enough, first they suppress and if it's safe enough they will deploy, possibly with escort or providing missile cover from further back. It's still possible you may have to drop ordinance simply for evasive maneuvers too however.
lmao you fucking animals cant even wipe yournown asses properly or use toilets, shut the fuck up street shitters.
lmao you dumn fucks cant even wipe your own asses properly, it was 100% user error.
It really depends on the situation.
For example if the package consists of 4x F-16 with bombs and an AMRAAM or two, and 4x F-15 doing a sweep ahead of the ground attackers, it's possible the F-15s clean up most of the jets on the other side, but one of them manages to slip past. In that case the F-16s can take care of it without having to call off the strike or getting shot down. So it's always practical to carry an AMRAAM or two.
Hell the F-16s even need it. They always carry wingtip AMRAAMs to stabilize the wing and reduce vibration, it actually improves the jet's flight characteristics.
This is why you shouldn't sell high-tech machinery to people that shit in the street. They aren't capable of properly using it and when they crash it, they will blame the technology rather than the fact that they're low IQ subhuman street shitters.
You might as well sell a Ferrari to a chimpanzee.
saaaar you are being of the bot ai plis to belief
lol shut the fuck up street shitter
Wiping
Don't project your insecurities on others.
they had an option to buy f-15s? an undefeated aircraft and went with a third world french plane thats a POS.... no wonder third worlders are so fucking poor. theyre retarded.
Based
Gripen-chan acute
So when the lockhead stopping selling fighter jets to mutts.
US loss
3 fighter jets.
7 predator drones.
Humiliation in front of the world and trump begging houthis for mercy.
Houthi losses
Some worthless sandniggers
Good thing it has stealth then? Or did you mean to say no internal weapons bay and facetted design no hope? The rafale features engines with reduced IR signature, low RCS and composite materials to absorb and scatter radar which makes up more than 70% of its structure.
saaaar you are being of the projecting plis to belief
lol, I wonder which copedex pajeet category this falls under.
trump is forcing them to buy f-15ex to get out of tariffs kek. they're broke but at least they'll have a cool air force
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early f4s are why all the nam boomers had a stroke when the f35 didn't have an internal gun lel
Yeah...
And Boomers were absofuckenleeee right about it though
Like to read someone who know about this tidbit of history... It's not commonly know around though...
Canonless F4s pilots were surprised by the older gen Migs that had a better maneuveurability (albeit lesser speed) hence they had the upper hand in dogfights, taking quite some F4 out of the air, but in due fashion, I must recognize that the early missiles were not that great at maneuveuring/precision, and to lock one to a target was a relative pain...
It was 2 types of airplane, with very different purposes coming into eachother when the missiles failed...
I forgot picrel in my last post but it's here Thanks for your addition towards the F35 freak-out about the lack of internal canon
saar saaar saaar you are of the losing
lmao you literally JUST got humiliated by pakistan, AGAIN lol
Sit down and shut the fuck up street shitter.
Yeah, the performance issue was the jeet piloting it.
Based Trump helping these brown dipshits spend their money the right way..
F-35A has internal cannon
Is it worse than a superpower getting humiliated by literal sandniggers?
Americans like we, the British, aren't allowed to just kill shitskins and niggers because the Jews need their biological weapons and slaves for the Noahide world order they're trying to bring in.
You just lose Diego Garcia thanks to us.
Yet another yellow brown axis of power thread where the embarrassing and disgraceful source has been cropped. It's more than a trend now, it's all they have. Some chinks Twitter account makes these.
Shitniggers (aka you) getting humiliated is always funnier
Afaik, you shitgoblins had absolutely nothing to do with it and I never had Diego Garcia in the first place.
shitmidgets with opinions
was
shitmidget dalit thinks he or his ancestors had anything(anything) to do with historical geopolitics, at all
No.
there's gore left on the road from the last pajeet who fell off a bus and got fuckin mangled
Every time I see footage from India it only ever gets worse.
You have no idea how much I regret not seeing F14s anymore...
Those were the best designed fighter/bombers USAF had
F14s are with SU-27s both etched in my memory forever !
Truelly magnificent beasts !
You forgot the undetectable air intake fan's radar signature of the jet engines when coming towards it...
Now yes
Look up the early version during the development of the program, before entry to service so to say though...
Real quick search :
The configuration of the F-35C is such based on its intended mission. The F-35C is a multi-mission capable aircraft. Most of those missions do not include using a gun to achieve them.
Both the F-35B and F-35C can carry a centerline gunpod for Close Air Support missions. The CAS mission is primarily why the F-35A has an internal gun. The USAF plans to use the F-35A to employ its gun for CAS as a primary duty.
Historical geopolitics.
KEK
People should be focusing on the pilot or the country rather than the planes themselves. Indians have no sense of self preservation and this is a demonstrable fact.
F14 was actually garbage but was OK at destroying third gen fighters in BVR in third world conflicts.
Sir
it was garbage but actually it was good at doing the thing it was designed to do
waow....til....
kickbacks
Insane how a single country can destroy the reputation of a tried and tested fighter jet.
Honestly hard for me to say if it was the french at fault here or giving india the jet and it not being the indian pilots faults. Either way im a f 16 chad so i dont care.
It was actually designed to shoot down bombers and be a fleet defense fighter. It was actually pretty unreliable and underpowered until it was upgraded in limited numbers after the cold war. As a fighter it was pretty bad which is why i said against 3rd (and 2nd) gen fighters in the Iran Iraq war (which it was also shot down by those fighters as well).
POO
Wow...
As Spaghetto anon said... wow indeed...
You might have your Taco Bell ringing on the wrong tone right there...
actually it was designed to shoot down stuff from far away, then it did that with an insane K:D ratio when piloted by persians, despite sometimes getting shot down by SAM's
omg military history so cool
the f-14s main strenght was that it was OVERpowered,lol. it was hella fast in a straight line.
I appreciate you clearing your thought about it :)
I better understand why you said All in all, it just mean that aircraft types matter as you can't have an all in one type of jet, (perhaps yet ?) and must use them wisely in regards to the task or threat you have to face...
Nuance. The F14 is a 4th gen fighter so it better have been at least halfway competent against the most downgraded export aircraft flown by Iraq. Most of it's kills were using the Phoenix missile but that doesn't make it an excellent aircraft.
French manufacturers are utterly corrupt. They shamelessly allow billions in kickback to the politicians who buy from them.
Top speed was good but otherwise performance was pretty poor until the D variant but by then the cold war was over. The earlier versions were also hard to fly and the D variant wasn't exactly amazing either.
It got shot down by the Mig-21, 23 and other jets.
Indonesia bought the mighty brahmos from us. suck on it west.
I understand what you mean, but overall, it was still a relatively good jet, I think we can agree on that...
It has its flaws for sure, as all jets, but for his time, it was one if not the most polyvalent, and most capable...
I don't have any memory of any encounter (batlle) with SU-27s, but it would have been quite a tricky thing for both pilots...
Somehow like if two of the best at a moment in history got to fight...
Given that Russian & American pilots were and are one of the most skilled ones...
PS: Don't forget the Frenchs about that as of today though...
What an era... I really liked the livery of the Navy F14 Tomcatters lol !
It was so great !
PS: the Fighter squadron VF-31 "Tomcatters" used Felix the Cat as an emblem long before even having heard about the F14Tomcat program being incepted....
Speak about a chronicity...
Stealth is a meme and useless against modern detection systems.
Yes, what is the best explanation to the US wasting trillion of dollars on technology that can be easily defeated by their real adversaries, China, Russia, Iran?
It is not just stealth fighters, (btw do Americans still think that a B2 bomber could enter Russian territory unobserved?) but especially Aircraft carriers, there is no possible way to defend against advanced missiles,
Is it just a corrupt money grab by the people beyond the huge arms manufacturing companies?
Bro I chatgpt this shit and India didn't even do badly, why is everyone dogging on Rafales, all the shot down planes was Pakistan propaganda but third party investigations showed ZERO Rafales shot down.
your pic is a fully blown Depression_Inducing_Pic...
PS: In redard to your answer, Military composition was and will always be based upon having to treat different obhjectives requiring different equipments...
So it's a compromise that need to be evaluated before being pout onto the battlefield, wether at sea, land or in the air...
Bro I chatgpt this shit and India didn't even do badly, why is everyone dogging on Rafales,
Agreed !
And Objective Pilled...
but third party investigations showed ZERO Rafales shot down
Yes there was one at least that has been documented due to the recovering of an M88 aft engine part that was flatted on the ground well inside Indian territory hence what said is a good depiction of what might have happen to this particular Rafale
PS: India/France aknowledged it.
Hence also the shitstorm and dogging on the Rafale because, you know, muh terminal gen J-10 ...
But I liked your take and the way you're describing overconvoluted reactions towards a simple fact ;)
Why are you hiding your poo flag? Everyone knows you're a dalitjeet.
This was part of the deal to allow India the right to buy the F-35.
They had to sacrifice some dignity and wreck the French aircraft industry.