Why can’t big superpowers win small wars?

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Also known as defeat

Russia loses in Ukraine.

Anon Babbleopium overdose

Can't indiscriminately kill the general population. The great empires didnt take land by being nice.
Can't kill your enemy if you believe they are equal and not inferior.

its not winning until youre done with it

Smartest fingolia

december 16 2024

meanwhile more recent from 3 days ago:

"Trump made it clear to European leaders that he is confident of Russia's victory"

ukrainetoday.org/trump-made-it-clear-in-a-conversation-with-european-leaders-that-he-is-confident-in-russias-victory-bloomberg/

so yup Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing.
any copes you wanna post?

go home a-rab turkroach

cool were all AI modifications of Edward Snowdon

fuck glowniggers

uhhh well yes, trump did say russia was losing a few months ago but he said they were winning a few days ago! Gotcha!

And then he'll say russia is losing again next week
You lost, ivan. We are all laughing at you

Morale> every other stat
Play EU4.

nice cope but I'm sure you can do better, try again.

Nah, sorry, but you tied your argument to whatever Trump says.

surprise

build up for months

It would be easy to win wars if we used out big guns. For example the USA has enough nuclear weapons to vaporize most of the major cities on earth.

Russia is such a joke guys, they can't achieve shit in Ukraine

Also be very afraid, Putler is going to sweep across Europe. We need to waste hundreds of billions.

Which is it?

2 million dead russians in 3 years, according to trump. Absolutely wild. Only russians would be retarded enough to try and call that a win.

What build up? There is no build up! Lies!

NATO is such a joke guys, they can't achieve shit in Ukraine

Also be very afraid, NATO is going to sweep across Russia. We need to waste hundreds of billions.

Which is it?

and yet they keep capturing more of ukraine every day while you sit here and write cope after cope.

It's almost as if the conflicts are manufactured and controlled in such a way to prolong weapons sales and human slaughter

Why can’t big superpowers win small wars?

I wouldn't compare the war in ukraine to iraq.
iraq folded in a week.
then it was 20 years of babysitting a bunch of illiterate goat herders.
for no real reason but to prove that we are not the same.

Because the enemy gets a vote.
A war is not over because the winning party decides it is over; a war ends when the losing party loses its will to fight.

same with afghanistan.
the war war over in a week.
the hajis fled to pakistan.
vatniks are still fighting a standing army 3 years after they invaded.

Alexander the Great lost in Afghanistan.

the fact that entire organisation depends on terrorism to push through its values speaks for itself

Pretty sure they are still at 20%, more or less where they were 3 years ago. Second strongest army in the world against a neighboring country a fraction of the size, mind you

Second strongest army in the world against Ukraine which has the support of 45+ nations and yet none of that could stop Russia.
they keep advancing, they keep winning.

True that Afganistan didn't lose any war.

About 120,000 dead Russians, about 100,000 dead Ukrainians.

2 million is the number of all casualties from all sides, be it soldiers or civilians, killed or wounded (including lightly wounded such as a splinter in the leg).

israel also won wars despite being very small nation
I wonder why, it's like massive support of technologically advanced nations makes a big difference or something

Name those goals
Moron

America loses in Iraq.

Russia loses in Ukraine.

Neither of these things happened.

he thinks only 100k Ukrainians died

LOL

Typical retard shill

Iraq folded in a week

So we killed a million iraqies in a week? Hitler would be very impressed

Russia loses in Ukraine.

any day now, right?

Over 3 year old image of the ambushed scout team into Kharkov city.

I guess the very explosive fun in Kiev, Odessa,Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporozhye last night really hurt you.
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That drone factory was really expensive to build, Germany won't be happy losing it considering they owned it.

Russia loses in Afghanistan.

America loses in Afghanistan.

They both won.

but Afghanistan was useless and they retreated.
sorry, ahmad. Enjoy pure afg gov

America loses in Iraq.

How? lol

Russia loses in Ukraine.

They lost old useless soviet outdated BMP and broken soviet tanks.

also, no more useless GRAD or weak rockets.

Now they finally got precise rockets, several kind of strong drones and even army satellites (they didn't had them before).
They also managed to create new flying drone radars instead of using old soviet useless radars.

but they lost billions

around 100k-150k (now) volunteers.

It's sad ofc, but they was volunteers.
With most of them was having their Ideals.

Not random drafted guys on street.

Overall, rus army changed from outdated weak army to modern army.

PATRIOT system also become useless against them. They now can successfully evade it.

Bad thing -
ru gov went a but retarded and not arresting traitors (scientists etc) who leak secrets.
Americans managed to steal russian -
1. hyperosomething rocket
2. new aircraft that fly together with huge drone. yes, americans also stole it.

+ many biological etc researchs

Trump said specifically 2 million russian soldiers. Brutal, and in only three years. Plus, they couldn't even take Kharkiv or Kherson. I don't see how russia will ever recover from the disaster that is the 3-Day SMO

Ukraine

small

the Ukrainians were far more prepared for war than then Iraqis before the invasion

Not willing to completely devastate their opponent. Doesn't want to "genocide"

So we killed a million iraqies in a week?

citation needed for killing 1 million hajis in the first place.
go ahead.
show me proof nigger
NOW

Also never thought that Maxxpro truck would be so big.

factory

it's almost impossibly to destroy factories in ukraine.

Ukraine was a core of ussr and they build gigant underground factories.
In short, to destroy any such factory you need to use many anti bunker bombs + nuke.
Many nukes.

idk why it exploded, maybe ukrs used some place as storage for bombs?

also, new ru drones are remotely controlled. It's great news.
If ru decide, they can shutdown all western planes who send rockets to ukrs.

remotely controlled drones is a real gamechanger if it true.

How many Ukranian casulties?

Euros in general are irrelevant

Ukraine is not a small war though, its all of EU fighting for relevance

Because the superpowers on the other side of the small war have directives of how "small wars" can be fought are taken into consideration. Also local do-gooders wield political influence and political influence effects the conduct of war. Both Russia and the US could have won easily in Afghanistan if they had used the "kill everything" strategy which is required when fighting Muslim tribal nations

I have proof your mother took 1million brown cocks up her ass, would you like to see it?

you suck monkey dick
YOU HAVE NOTHING

hahahahahaha

Rules.
Scorched earth is the way to defeat your enemy.
Or genocide like isreals doing.

Iraq: Beheaded Israel's public enemy no.1, Saddam Hussein and his military. They were the largest and strongest in the region. Now it's Iran. Installed (((US))) military bases. US energy companies have made a killing. Iraq shares a long border with Iran.

Afghanistan: Restored the opium trade and kikes, chinks, spics and glowies worldwide made a killing. This one didn't work out so well though. The genocides in Gaza and Ukraine seemed to take importance and the locals were fed up with US bullshit. Afghanistan also shares a long border with Iran.

what did they capture? pidorovich village with a prewar pop of 12? it's only changed hands twelve times in the last 6 months but that doesn't russian niggers from chimping out like they just raised the red rag on the reichstag every time.

Second Gulf war

Lancet Survey (2003-2006): Estimated 654,965 deaths (with a wide range of uncertainty).

Opinion Research Business Survey (2003-2007): Estimated 1,033,000 deaths (also with a range of uncertainty)

That's quite a strange one. Russia isn't losing in Ukraine, USA didn't lose in Iraq. And you're completely ignoring the victorious cases such as Georgia for Russia.

As for other cases, it mostly depends on the cost and difficulty of the goal. It's not hard to destroy Afghani armed forces but that's not what Russia and USA wanted. They were trying to change local culture into more civilized one, not of strict Islam. And it's a very though task that you cannot accomplish by military victories.

Plus they used the war to build a new pipeline to Turkey

Simple. They are too soft. This they do no understand at all. Any man who has saw combat first hand knows full well you can NOT win wars if your heart isn't in them, but these young guys are in love with death since the jew brainwashed them into thinking they are something they are not, something they lack the integrity and honor to be.

we didnt want these hundreds of villages and trillions in resources anyway

cope

i couldn't give a rat's ass. you're cucked out of your oil and russians are throwing away an entire generation of young men for pidorovich village, an intergral part of the Russian Federation. millions must die. side note, when are you going back?

West planned to attack them and you guys would success.

But now they have modern army + their own drones.
Problem now is money.
Oligarchs stole too much money and ruined economy. But it's still not too big problem now.

2m losses

around 100-150k dead.
maybe 150k now

idk what he mean by 2m losses.
Injured soldiers? civilians?

Ukrainian army + western helpers LOVE to target civilians. It's one of their main goals.

Because they aren't wars of annihilation. Even if you believe Russia to be the big evil empire, in Afghanistan they wanted to "liberate" the locals and let them be communist (they were actually invited in by the Afghani communists and were at first reluctant to become involved). Same in Ukraine... while they want the land and the resources, they kind of want the people too because they don't have enough surplus population to resettle an emptied land.

Compare this to Nazi Germany, where both the US and the Soviets just steam-rolled every fucking thing that got in their way. While they didn't necessarily go out of their way to cause collateral damage, they weren't shy about it either. And the enemy had no choice but to surrender or become extinct (does anyone doubt that the US/Soviets would've made them extinct if they had fought to the last man?).

When the US decides, once and for all, that it's ok with making the native population extinct, it will start winning wars again.

why would the west attack russia? you realize what globohomo is right? it benefitted everyone, including russia and europe moreso, to have open markets and be sanction free.

KEK what are these retarded numbers from, keef (((independent)))?

around 100-150k dead

if Mediazona found 107k KIA it means KIA is at least 400k

How did america lose in iraq? They got rid of Saddam, And in Afghanistan they got rid of the arabs there

Except Russia will win in ukraine?

2 million losses

line doesn't move in your favor

Yeah okay. Must be the most incompetent commander on the planet and in history.

Russia has ten times more firepower, was mostly defending when it didn't have a numerical advantage or the advantage of surprise. Still you say that out loses more soldiers. That's just crazy, you know?

They fail to take into account that other countries may have plans of their own.
No. They'll lose, there's no doubt about that at this point.

your glownigger politicians are saying this is an internal USSR struggle so thankfully russians have only died anyway

There are no objective wars anymore. The only goal is to control an entire country and rebuild it in their image. It's a fool's errand. It's Globohomo thinking. It's governments playing God. The only kind of war that works is when you come in, take a set piece of land, and say "This is mine now. If you try to take it back, I will kill you."

they couldn't even take Kharkiv or Kherson

nor Stinky KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Its like in the series Fallout when all the rich people invested in bomb shelters

You mean I get to create whatever kind of society I want? Cool heres all my money now how soon can we launch the nukes?

Russia won in ukraine albeithough

The US accomplished it's goals in Afghanistan and Iraq

This. The mental leap that is too hard for most is recognizing that the goal was to cause chaos and instability in the respective regions

The West is done for, we're pathetic.
Our very definition of winning is wrong. We have lost the ability to defend ourselves and our interests. We don't even comprehend what it means to fight.

What's actually happening:
1. The US quickly conquered Iraq and Afghanistan, and failed to keep it.
2. Russia fucked up in the initial invasion, but will conquer and keep Ukraine.

3. And this will keep happening again and again with China, Russia, you name it. They will take it, keep it, and the West will do nothing besides complaining.

In the Russian controlled territories, anyone who even blinks gets tortured or shot. They live in fear, they will never dare to rebel. Russians control their own population the same way.
All it takes to defeat Western armies is to say you're a civilian and they cannot hurt you. And everyone knows this.

but muh morals and muh civilians, that's a loss

This is just whining and finding excuses for defeat. And this further proves

but their losses, etc etc

They don't care at all about their losses. Image related.

Afghanistan was a failure because the empire didn't really have a clear goal for what it was doing there aside from spending money and enchanting the locals with the ghosts of our own ideology. We succeeded at spending money but it came at the cost of revealing critical weaknesses in the ghosts that possess our own minds and animate our own civilization. The Afghanis never stood a chance of taking D.C. but what did we lose from seeing how little staying power our ideas had with them? And from seeing our own true character in our actions in their country?

Tragedy in the Greek sense is when the hero discovers his true identity. The tragedy of Oedipus is when he finds out that he's the son of his wife and the murderer of his father, which he doesn't know until the end. What did America learn about itself in Afghanistan? Nothing good.

In the Russian controlled territories, anyone who even blinks gets tortured or shot.

I wish, shitkrainian vermin deserves nothing but bullet

Russia is winning!

3. And this will keep happening again and again with China, Russia, you name it. They will take it, keep it, and the West will do nothing besides complaining

Why that didn't work in Afghanistan and Chechnya?

inb4 Russian won in Chechnya

Chechens are treated as first class citizens, exempt from mobilization, get paid tribute by Moscow, have it's own laws and customs, own army, own religion. They won the war

also forgot

Syria

Russia has won in Syria too, forever and ever, Putin even gave speech eternal friendship of Assad's Syria and Putin's Russia

surprise

Country with the second largest army in Europe that's been in a civil war for 8 years

Military and monetary support from basically the whole world

Easy. Weak men can't oppress the low IQ mongoloids they dominate militarily over. Too much faggotry in both "super powers" leadership to do what needs to be done to colonize countries.

As a result, troops roll in, BTFO the local military, then don't do shit to oppress the locals, which leads to an insurgency that troops suck at dealing with because 1. no oppression, and 2. foreign nations fuck around with it to de-stabilize shit.

Put all the locals in concentration camps and take all their rights and boom - domination complete. No one has the nuts to do this in the modern era. That is why everything is a "loss" from WW2 on. Note though that from Jew's perspective, it's all wins, which is why all those wars exist anyway.

Russia just didnt bomb everything to shit because they tried avoiding civillian deaths. Not even nafo troons here try to overestimate civillian death tolls. Because at this point in iraq NATO had killed 300,000 civillians

I love how shitkrainian draft Dodgers can't fucking make up their mind if churkas are drafted or worshipped like in ukraine

Because at this point in iraq NATO had killed 300,000 civillians

Wrong.

they keep winning

1000 dead russkies per 50m^2
i hope russkies keep winning like this
XDDDDD

can't fucking make up their mind if churkas are drafted or worshipped

Are all Russians mentally handicapped as you? Of course they are.
Chechnya was exempt from mobilization, it's publicly known information

ukraine.un.org/en/289667-civilian-harm-and-human-rights-abuses-persist-ukraine-war-enters-fourth-year?

More than 12,654 civilian men, women, girls, and boys have been killed, and over 29,392 injured since 24 February 2022, as verified by HRMMU. Eighty-four per cent of the casualties have occurred in territory controlled by the government of Ukraine, and 16 per cent in territory occupied by the Russian Federation.

Trump basically said Putin seems delusional, but he (Trump) doesn’t really want to completely realize it. Either way, the war will go on, because the generals tell Putin by burning through thousands of people for half a mid sized field means they are somehow winning in the long term.
People can dispute it all they want. I have seen a couple of these attacks. And I don’t think overall casualties including lightly wounded being around 1,5 or 2 million is unrealistic. They completely disregard their soldiers lives as much is clear by now.

redditards genuinely believe Ukraine is doing all of this on their own, and that it started late February 2022 when putler woke up and said "oh yeah i'm EVIL" and then attacked them for no reason.

Are you a faggot or a retard?

Specific Studies:
A Lancet survey estimated 654,965 deaths between March 2003 and July 2006.

Opinion Research Business estimated 1,033,000 deaths from March 2003 to August 2007.

YOU CANT JUST INVADE INNOCENT PEOPLES LIVING SPACE AND EXPECT THAT THEY WONT FIGHT BACK WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE.

a soldier doesnt give enough of fucks, hes there for money.

Only a moron would spew some nonsence like that. Most countries pay thier soilders shit. Canada pays well but they are retards anyway.

Don't know the layout of the land dumb nigger , basic fucling knowledge. If you come to Rob me at my house , your not going to know all my traps and secret spots

small war

Russia initially went in with 30k against 500k. If anything its amazing how stupid ukranians are and useless NATO is as a ally.

if we don't allow UN to collect information from Mariupol then none died there

I fucking hate ziggers so much it's unreal

Russia loses in Ukraine.

How did Russia lose territory to Ukraine?

Russia went with 1000 men and suffered 0 losses, you're lying you NAFO faggot

As opposed to the truthful democratic jewmericans right "marik"

You are a tranny faggot shilling for WW3 because you hate eveyone. The Red Cross was in Maripol, shit for brains.

Terrible studies. They just went around asking some people if anyone they knew had died and then drew conclusions based on their word alone. Even then half of the deaths are attributed to gunshots and around 2/3rds died either from gunshots, car bombs or accidents i.e. they weren't killed by US soldiers.

they went in with a convoy of peace but America, EU and its puppet oinkraine were rearing for war. Super power Russia did super power shit and put our euronigkike alliance in their place.

You are a heartless faggot paid to come here and lie. We all saw them bomb Bagdad to shit on CNN you fucking retard.

The Red Cross was in Maripol

none was given permission to check the dead, human rights group had to literally count new graves from satellites to estimate number of civilians ziggers killed.

dont bother engaging with the eu flags its all young born in 2000 something discord that hates putin libtard tranny activists.

Oh look its a meme you downloaded from discord!
Well that proves it!

Fucking troon

Do you think that explosions automatically equal civilian casualties?
Yeah you tell him. Don't engage with other people, let's be like leftists and just brand everyone who doesn't agree with the narrative and outsider.

Well some, but not many especially outside of plebit. Also remember there where the true fortifications are the DPR and LPR contact line with Ukraine. The entire Russian army never managed to a large scale breakthrough. Which is remarkable and speaks to the effectiveness of these structures especially, if manned with experienced personal. Ukraines actions are remarkable, but obviously wouldn’t be possible without industrial powerhouses backing it.
It’s hard to tell. These countries don’t really have modern structures. And there often isn’t a clear distinction between soldiers and civilians. Since tribal fighters/para military and other informal security forces are everywhere.

Even if tomorrow unconditionally Russia captures the entirety of Ukraine (which they never will), it will still be total loss for them. They have emptied their entire Soviet stock of weapons and are way too corrupt and stagnated to sputter out more a single half working 1980s tank model every couple of days. It's enough to continue the stalemate in Ukraine but laughable to be able to threaten rest of Europe. Their demographics, which were already in a terrible state, will never recover from this war as a big portion of the last remaining white men are dead or mutilated and are already in the process of being replaced by churkas and muslims at the governments behest. Europe has now decoupled themselves from Russian gas and resources and now without any military threat Russia has no form of influence over them at all anymore.
Before the war, Russia was the uncontested leader of the entire non Western world with the 2nd most powerful seat in global politics after the US and a central part of the European and Asian economy. Now, they have become an irrelevant pariah state subordinate to China like North Korea with the same poor and broken population that slowly falls further and further behind the rest of the world in development and serves no threat other than repeating the same threat of nukes over and over again. There is absolutely nothing in Ukraine that could've been worth this, let alone in the tiny, bombed out sliver of it that Russia will actually be able to hold (and never afford to repair). Russia has already unconditionally lost, the only question is how much they can make Ukraine lose as well.

when ur pants on head retarded supporting hill billy ukranians everyone must speak broken russian and kikes wars like iraq ur a lost cause.

Its Bull feces youtu.be/H0WE6J8EKdE?feature=shared

a meme

hrw.org/feature/russia-ukraine-war-mariupol/counting-the-dead

every single zigger will die painful death, you included

managed to a large

managed to realize a large^^

the elites don't actually care about the soldiers in a war, it's just a fun game to them. They hate the midwit enlistees, they just like trimming the fat every once in a while.

Not really. The official stradegy was to bomb every town to shit and then roll in. Col. MacGregor refused to do that and even though he had a massive win in the most lopsided tank battle since WW2 they blacklisted him for not going through enough shells.

based

everyone must speak broken russian

Why are you so eager to accept their framing of the Ukrainian language? Do you know anything about Slavic languages? They're all very similar, that's not because one came from the other but because they're relatively speaking young languages. If Poles were as retarded as Russians they could just as easily claim that Ukrainian is just broken Polish.

and kikes wars like iraq

Where did I say that I support it?

mediazona, not a single dead mobilized from Chechnya

killing sandniggers
the war was a success

Russia is no longer a super power, hence why they're still stuck in Donbass three years into a war they started. For the other examples, they went it with no clear goal or win condition. They've been overwhelmingly dominant in all those conflicts in terms of winning battles and often achieving K:Ds of 10:1 or more, but if your goal is turning them into an ally or 'nation building' a democracy with people that fucking hate you and will die down to the last man to resist you, you'll get a shitshow. See Iraq for the perfect example, the Iraqi military was completely wiped out in a matter of weeks with hilariously lopsided stats, but it turns out real life isn't like vidya where you automatically win upon killing the last soldier, and it still became a multi decade quagmire of unclear goals.

You are a tranny faggot posting jewish CIA/USAID funded prolaganda

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Iraq lost a war to the US and spent the next decade doing literally nothing except building up and fortifying in preparation for the next war. In 2001 it has the 3rd largest standing army in the world. It didn't help them.

People try to spin that war like it was an easy fight because Iraq was weak but the truth is that Iraq in 2001 was better-equipped than the Soviet Union in 1989 and none of our present adversaries are even at that level. What separates Russia and China now from Iraq then isn't equipment--they're all largely still using the same equipment. It's just access to nuclear weapons.

Russia is no longer a super power, hence why they're still stuck in Donbass three years into a war

this low-IQ nigger-tier armchair political analysis needs to end on Anon Babble
People who still talk about "super powers" in 2025 need to be necked. Zero comprehension of global politics but a big fucking mouth

Wow they captured another 100 meters and took control of a ditch in Donbass at the low price of a thousand ziggers? It's truly over for the hohols.

There allegedly were ambiguous communications from the high command. Basically along the lines of respect the rules of war, but don’t take any risks. Which was also interpreted differently by different units. Basically some didn’t really engage when civilians where in the way, while others drop stuff and told civilians to go before they leveled everything. Most of the civilian casualties where caused by secondary effects of the war and the subsequent civil war.
Your anecdotal evidence is more testimony towards the top heaviness and bureaucratic nature of western militaries than anything else. Basically he was to good outside of their scale.

but the truth is that Iraq in 2001 was better-equipped than the Soviet Union in 1989

Iraq had zero S-300 and only several dozen mid-range AA like BUKs, Strela and even older shit, mostly had manpads like Igla and AA-guns. Airforce was as shit. At that point it didn't matter what ground forces Iraq had(they were also mostly outdated shit), but having in Air coughing baby vs American Hydrogen bomb meant guaranteed loss

too good^^

Wow they captured another 100 meters and took control of a ditch in Donbass at the low price of a thousand ziggers? It's truly over for the hohols.

if it's not over for hohols, why they're incapable of holding the line despite the unlimted cashflows from the west? What's the problem?

In MacGregors 1997 book Breaking the Phalanx he predicted the rise of drone warfare and it only took the US military 28 years before they started teaching drone evasion in basic training.
Its like they want us all dead

Don't forget, China lost in Vietnam right after America did, another similar type of war, And France lost right before America did. Britain found holding several colonies untenable in the post ww2 era as well for the same reasons.
The answers are: 1.their militaries aren't designed for it 2.mission creep makes the war fought on nebulous objectives 3. Foreign meddling
1.B-2s and Kalibr and Kinzhal and HIMARS and mass artillery and tanks and railgunz and whatever "advanced" tech you bring up isn't really all that useful in this kind of war. The reason you get these things is to destroy other massed armies, critical equipment or heavily defended emplacements. Not to mention it's all absurdly expensive when you consider you killed a grand total of 2 mountain people in the strike.
2. Both Russia and America had the goal of propping up a friendly puppet government in Afghanistan. With problems of corruption, ethnic tensions, religious motivations and local culture making so completely unrealistic. When these issues all align, like in the tribal societies of Iraq or Afghanistan, practically everyone is uncooperative at best, while you get nothing from any investment. Even Britain, the divide and rule colonial master country, failed to do so in Afghanistan. The other small war allied governments are minor versions of this exact same issue.
3. It's pretty cheap to even the playing field for a country fighting a superpower. Vietnam got all sorts of goodies from the USSR in their proxy war against American Imperialism. The the brave Mujahadeen freedom fighters pleas were heard by America, against the evil godless USSR. Iran happily supplied factory made detonators and other material to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, to aid their Muslim brothers in the fight against the Great Satan (and to bleed Sunni tribes they'd want to control anyways). Ukraine is obviously getting help from the west.

He also predicted everything NATO is doing wrong in ukraine.

pbs.org/wgbh//pages//frontline/shows/pentagon/etc/phalanx.html

But Macgregor's scenario included caveats. He forecasted that despite advances in deep-strike missiles, close-up ground fighting would continue to be a critical factor in the outcome of the war. And his chapter contained a warning to those who would become overly dependent on technology: "In the right hands, modern military technology increases the American Armed Forces' ability to diminish its adversary's capacity for independent action, but in the wrong hands it cannot compensate for the absence of human insight, understanding, or effective leadership. This is because technological advances cannot eliminate ambiguity, uncertainty, chance, and the forces of chaos from the field of conflict."

Please explain in what way they are a super power? They're barely able to keep their few remaining neighbours in line and completely failing a war in their own backyard, they failed to project their power in Syria and their only other international action is supporting some african warlords through mercenaries.
Their economy is shit, they make nothing of value outside of some basic raw material extraction, their one remaining high tech export, Soyuz space launches completely eclipsed by SpaceX.
Their cultural relevance has completely fallen off the map. The Soviet Union had plenty in terms of movies, books, poetry and opera that gave them status in the rest of the world. Nothing of this remains.
Literally their only sliver of super power status they have left is their large nuclear arsenal. But at the end of the day it can't be used for much, noone cares about the noook threat anymore, they've cried wolf a hundred times and nothing happened. It prevents them from being conquered, that's it.

Trump said it.

Damn, Russia is fucked.

I think I get how he feels. I knew things would go towards the electromagnetic spectrum being saturated with jamming and fiber optic/other cable operated drones being the only true option among other things. And on the other hand that a major part of war would be ways and strategies to counter them. Obviously I never wanted to join the military, since I knew the reality of it. I probably could still easily start as a six figure advisor at some company or get shares of a start up. But I don’t really feel like it.

So why did Russia have to supply the astronauts stuck on NASA space station?
Why are you a massive faggot?

He also predicted everything NATO is doing wrong in ukraine

How many troops NATO has deployed in Ukraine?

Please explain in what way they are a super power?

The whole of NATO is fighting a proxy war against Russia and losing. Enough to make it a super power

How many troops NATO has deployed in Ukraine?

but the USA has never lost a war... reking some losers countries and then leaving is not losing. we just decided to leave. routing our army out of their nation is winning which no one has ever done except for the expedition to canada during the war of 1812 but then we ended up winning anyways.

Hohol army is nATO trained, NATO equiped, NATO commanded....
They are NATO in all but paper

about 100,000 dead Ukrainians.

We have 140k names and birthplaces of Ukrainians who got killed or missed in battle. Rral number is higher
ualosses.org/en/soldiers/

we just decided to leave.

Because you lost

China says they have a drone with a 30km spool of fiber. I am not even sure NATO has awarded contracts for fiber fed drones yet( we had a show in january by companies looking for contracts).

12000

What? Here are their numbers en.zona.media/article/2025/04/25/casualties_eng-trl
They say 110.000 but estimate much higher and admit it’s a very low bar.

in other words, NATO has not deployed a single soldier in this war. Imagine losing 112k to 0 men and think you're winning against NATO, are Russians retarded?

Why can’t big superpowers win small wars?

We won in the Falklands

in paper

...and carriers, stealth fighters, tomahawk missiles, nuclear weapons, isr capabilities, bombers, submarines, cyber ops, size/mass, etc.

The whole of NATO is fighting a proxy war against Russia and losing

They are sending some surplus gear from the 90s, and it's biggest member has been actively sabotaging the support efforts since 2023.

I'm counting specifically mobilized in 2022 not overall death count, because Chechnya was exempt from mobilization and mediazona is proof of it

Canada kicked our ass and destroyed the White House in the war of 1812

Give it back

So hohols have more casualties, 140k against 110k

ualosses.org/en/soldiers/

Der wunderwaffe?
They sent more money and weapons than lend lease in WW2

HAHAHAHHAHAHA! its always fun watching mutts cope. does your boomer grandpappy cope the same way when he got btfo in Vietnam by illiterate rice farming gooks.

Russia has 40k more KIA?

quickly add another different count!

xaxaxa, Ukraine has higher losses because we counter KIA+MIA and you count only KIA,xaxaxaxa

Refund the Louisiana purchase to France first

Imagine citing mediazona
The CIA shill factory created when the war starred ONCE wholly funded by USAID. Now the EU has to pay for thier disinfo.

paid in full nigger

I would rather give it back to France

Der wunderwaffe?

submarines, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, planes are now wunderwaffe for Russians

ok, lets say i kick your door down and start destroying and taking your things. the whole time you run away and throw things at me which bounce off and dont hurt. i rape your daughter and wife and once i have all the things i wanted to steal in my van i leave. you 2 geniuses would say "I DEFEATED THAT MAN"!

They sent more money and weapons than lend lease in WW2

It's not even in the same ballpark. Just compare 11,400 state of the art aircraft to a dozen shitty non-upgraded F16s from the 80s.

canada did not exist then. we were at war with the british since they would kidnap our sailors and cargo. we defeated their navy and armies. This is the last battle of the war btw:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

the whole time you run away

That is what mutts did. The taliban were there the whole time

noooooooo you can't fight like that, its tots unfair nooooooo

Yes, all the stuff we used to literally bomb every nation we fought back to a previous version of themselves we didn't give to Ukraine. And they're STILL fucking up a former superpower.
Oof.

The United States sent approximately $11.3 billion in goods and services to the Soviet Union through the Lend-Lease Act from 1941 to 1945. This amount is equivalent to roughly $180 billion in today's dollars, when adjusted for inflation.

According to Trump USA sent 400 billion or something like that. Not my fault muttmericans can't make anything good and cheap anymore

Considering your main goal was conquest and permanant occupation then yes you still lost dumbass

destroying and taking your things.

Considering the state of american urban areas today i would say the vietnamese and afganis got their revenge in full lmao. But you keep on cheering for you little good goy jew wars fag. Whatever makes you cope.

I‘m already well beyond this level. I‘m thinking of systems with notes behind enemy lines. But as I alluded to it’s a spiritual burden my great grandfather did it and I don’t want to do it. I don’t trust governments anyways. All I do is buying us some time, since others will also figure out similar methods eventually…

The naval fleet came from Nova Scotia

sure,deceiver

According to Trump

citing Trump on anything should be bannable offense

Most tech developed for war is eventually used against a nations own population

and nova scotia was part of the uk then... canada was not a nation even though technically theyre not a real nation to this day. the king of england owns like 90 percent of the land.

The muttmerican brings up faggotry out of nowehre. Why are mutts like this?

In the United States, what we call “tear gas” is often CS gas, a chemical compound credited to two American scientists, Ben Corson and Roger Stoughton, who discovered it in 1928. (The C and S in “CS” come from the first initial of each man’s last name.) But its use predates that, to the battlefields of World War I — from where it migrated not long after to America’s police forces.

Governments are just restricted in what they can do to their enemies. No major power is flattening cities and genociding millions to win wars.

It’s literally only Because they proxie against eachother in all the “small wars” so since ww2 every small force has been backed by a superpower to ensure a meatgrinder stalemate, all these wars would be over in 3 days if they didn’t all turn into proxies, EVERY small force has been backed by a superpower either covertly or openly

Trump says whatever comes to his mind at that moment. The total aid from US so far is around $115 billion.
It's also kinda pointless to compare direct monetary values even adjusted for inflation, they obviously got exponentially more bang for their buck back then. An artillery shell easily costs ten times as much to manufacture today adjusted for inflation, with more or less the exact same form and function.

Pretty sure globohomo backed the coup in Bangladesh because they refused to sell farmland to globohomo to grow palm oil and other cash crops. They 100% fed thier own population.

America loses in Afghanistan.

America loses in Iraq.

And in Vietnam
And in Syria

Russia loses in Afghanistan.

Russia loses in Ukraine.

And in Finland
And managed to won two wars only for the fucking snow.

Every country/empire wins and loses, one can't always win.
When a big country loses against a small one or "wins" just a small piece of land (like USSR in Finland and Russia in Ukraine) looks strange but remember the Thermophiles: numbers and money help to win wars but they are not all you need.

White people are inferior to many races

all the trannies seething in replies

Based, fpbp as usual

Go swim in a river in India
(BTW everyone I know in the USA was rooting for India to fuck Pakistan up)

Oh and now you have to worry about Bangladesh

This, the due to proxy wars the wars turn so much more brutal, because both sides have essentially unlimited resources as long as their backers keep pouring it in.
Otherwise the war would be over much sooner.

But morally it is of course complicated, I am of the belief that everyone should have weapons to defend themselves and be allowed the decision to do it or not.
Whether its wise to fight "to the last ukrainian" for example, is not for me to say, but in my opinion they should have the chance to make the choice

It took 4 presidents, 2 trillion usd , 2k star spangled body bags to regime change from afghan taliban to - , also It doesn't matter one fucking bit how much people of America a shadow monarchy with a bipartisan foreign policy root for india

Russian loses in Ukraine

Cmon op everyone knows that's bullshit

As I say they admit their data is underestimating it massively. I could go on into all the details, but Russia has next to no established rescue chains and we have evidence they do indeed send wounded as decoy. Add that they are on the offensive and lack proper communications and command. Russia also doesn’t want to declare someone as killed in action, because it means they have to pay something. In reality it’s much higher. Quite few attacks spanned over three to five days and there are thousands being wounded so badly they won’t make it. Some telegrams chancels alone have more documented than these numbers.

Our vice presidents wife is hindi
So is Tulsi tge head of the NSA

Give us a chance for Christs sake
Also

Why are you so angry?

Why did you turn into a nafo troon shill all of a sudden?

We don't talk about that, comrade.

You swedes still getting raped by the mohammed hoards? Oh yeah, you can’t even defend yourselves without getting arrested kekkkk. Typical eurocuck

Russia loses in Ukraine.

???
the war is still going on though

Arabs can't win wars.

Cry about it, brownoid.

For jews to make trillions of dollars and for goyim to die

Fucking noticer

Does your establishment's race really matter when kissing the ring is a mandatory requirement? Why is Google or meta or Microsoft where it is Today when ask.com and yahoo started from the same line? Because gates and zukerberg kissed the ring , others didn't.

It’s all your perspective and bias. For Ukraine their loses are also massive. Russia losing five to eight times more means less, because they are larger and less casualty averse. If seen so many videos from both sides I have a good idea where things truly are. And it’s not looking good for either Russia or Ukraine. Realistically speaking both countries are already bleeding out and won’t be able to sustain themselves without war. That’s why it’s likely to continue albeit on a lower flame. And you can already notice it. My hope is that things will dial down to the point fights become more sporadic and less enduring. Basically fizzle out and eventually de facto freeze. The worst strategical mistake would be another big offensive of either side. But we will see.

Not a fair question.
NATO v Russia (via Ukraine) is a whole different animal.

Let me put it this way - no man can become POTUS without subservience to the monarchy. If the do they get 1963'd right?. Lord rest Kennedy's soul.

half the thread is ziggers making excuses for Russia’s failures or doing some “HERE’S HOW BERNIE CAN STILL WIN” shit

I’ll never understand what these fags see in Russia that makes it infallible.

America loses in Iraq.

Where does this new meme come from?

Is Saddam Hussein still in power?
Were the oil rights not renegotiated after Gulf War II, much to the dismay of France and Russia?
Is this the same Pidor Pidorovich from the last thread?

ziggers

Who the fuck do you think you're actually fooling here, shillnigger?
Return at once to your limited glownigger hang out.

Russia losing five to eight times more

You are a tranny faggot shill paid to be here using the new format of pretending to be reasonable then spewing rediculous propaganda

WAAAAAAAAHHHH DON’T CALL ME THE MEANIE WORD

Blow me.

Russia helped Afghanistan and Iraq.
NATO isn't even really helping Ukraine but BRICS is supporting Russia

shill doesn't have even a fleeting understanding of the culture of the board he's been dispatched to

Oh, no no, seems like the latest DEI drive has been a disaster for the glowniggers on the net.
You lost, just like your employers lost in Ukraine.

Russians are very insecure and feminine

but I dispute your numbers

Than you go to telegram and start subscribing to channels of either side documenting enemy loses. Ukraine had costly but limited offensive operations. Russia does them all the time and usually without much success, if the resulting gains are limited you can already tell the operation is disaster from on objective point of view in 75 to 85 percent of cases. But as I said don’t believe me, but subscribe one dozen or two chancels from either side and count yourself.

In all those cases aren't they holding back?
Wasn't risk of civilians and global outrage the only reason Kabul, Baghdad, and Kiev weren't leveled with a few MOABs or Father of All Bombs?

Nah, Russia was part of the American coalition in Iraq lmao, A bit too soon to start changing history 2003 isn't that long ago

NATO weapon stocks completely depleted

will need decades to replenish

t-they aren't even really helping, trust me bro

Get over yourself. NATO got completely unmasked in this war.

supporting stuff out of spite is culture!

And if I was a Fed I wouldn’t waste my time with a slav subhuman like you.

Russia isn't losing in Ukraine, they're clearly winning and have been for years now.

he still cannot get it

Careful there, pvt. Ramirez, or I'll file an official discrimination complaint to your supervisor

Wasn't risk of civilians and global outrage the only reason Kabul, Baghdad, and Kiev weren't leveled with a few MOABs or Father of All Bombs?

How you're planning to deliver them?

forgot general apocalypse?
russians tried but lack resources

3 more days and kyiv falls

Not it didn't lmao. Mutts really can't stop coping

Afghanistan before US+coalition invasion: 20 millions
Afghanistan after US+coalition "got bored": 40 million

the war was a success

holy kek

Russia

Big superpower

1-800-COM’N-NOW

Of course a thread that says "Russia loses in Ukraine." was gonna hit bump limit kek

Winning the war is one thing, winning it, not becoming isolated and destroying the West's reputation at the same time (regularly mentioning the lack of sanctions on Israel + financial/military support; presenting the West as a full enabler of Israel) is another.

Russia can destroy the bridges over the Dnieper and greatly complicate military infrastructure by doing so, but it would cause a huge civilian crisis on the left bank too. This topic has been discussed for three years now in Russia, since many Russians call for the destruction of the bridges. And in case you think the West is actually capable of defending them - bear in mind that Russia strikes Kiev any time it wants.

Kabul

Unnecessary. NATO occupied all major cities in Afghanistan within months. The Taliban's standing army was defeated decisively and retreated across the border into Pakistan. The Pakistan government forbade NATO forces from pursuing the Taliban across the border, and that was the end of the battle.

The war in Afghanistan wasn't a guerilla war or a serious insurgency. The holdouts in mountains and hidden tunnels were cleared within a few years. The Taliban attempted to reinvade at one point and were defeated decisively again. After that the mission was just straightforward security and occupation, and generally there was little to no combat beyond the occasional car bomb or civilian terrorist attack, but those declined to almost nothing once a secure border was set up facing Pakistan.
NATO steadily withdrew from Afghanistan not because of the fighting, but because of the lack of fighting. It didn't make sense to have forces deployed there when there was nothing for them to do.
It was only when NATO troops were gone that the Taliban, now completely refitted with Pakistani troops and equipment, reinvaded and the nationalist government capitulated without a fight.

Baghdad

Strategic destruction was just unnecessary. The US blitzed the capital in a few weeks of ground campaign and organized resistance ended. Restraint was employed to minimize civilian casualties, since ostensibly the goal of the operation was to liberate Iraq, not level it, but this had little impact on operations because Iraq's forces were not able to offer meaningful resistance in open battle and the local insurgency was wholly ineffective.

Russia can destroy the bridges over the Dnieper

we saw how Russia tried to destroy bridge near Odesa, they gave up after wasting 30 missiles

bigger than you. more nukes than you. whiter than you.

b-but we print dollar

the jews do. and you do what the jews tell you or no dollar for you.

again you were boasting about general apocalypse destroying civilian infrastructure like 2 years ago so you can stick this bullshit in your ass now
during his attacks missiles were falling on kiev and even destroying some pedestrian bridge next to university or something but you probably realized those missiles are too low accuracy and there's too few of them to make any difference so general apocalypse got fired

bear in mind that Russia strikes Kiev any time it wants.

yea with no noticeable results

and even destroying some pedestrian bridge next to university

they missed it

oh i thought they actually got this one

I remember it quite well because ziggers instantly coped that there was actually very secret HATO bunker that they ACTUALLY HIT and they never tried to hit the bridge. That same cope was done(until they started saying that it's akhually PAC-2 missile) when video surfaced of missile falling into Dnipro near large bridge, in that attack they managed to destroy underwater SBU bunker and kill about dozen HATO generals and Budanov hiding there

lmao they do be like that

Czech flag

22 posts

There's a guy with this posting style who's arguments I debunked at least a dozen times already. Could be you, so I'll just skip your posts.

yea with no noticeable results

Your knowledge of this war is extremely low or you are trolling.

Your knowledge of this war is extremely low or you are trolling

everything Russia could do, it already did. If they haven't done anything, like hit bridges, is because they can't and no amount of coping "we just don't want to!" will change that

Russia loses in Ukraine

Is that the latest German narrative to justify what’s going on!? KEK

Same about US

If Ukraine was winning they would have killed all the Russians and moved into Russia by now. Ukraine lost and ran out of Biden pedo money

honestly? because they don't commit fully to inhumane genocidal draconian methods of the ancient times

And for anons reading this recall that Russia already used an ICBM on Dnepropetrovsk and hit the target with an empty casing (a Western claim reuters.com/world/europe/new-russian-missile-fired-ukraine-carried-warheads-without-explosives-sources-2024-11-26/)

The empty casings alone already strike with immense kinetic power, but can also be fitted with conventional explosives. The attack on Dnepropetrovsk has several waves with around 7 casings each - all from one missile.

Russia loses in Afghanistan.

retard spotted.

nigger if the objective was to get rid of saddam why did it go on for years after his death
you were mostly expelled but you do cling on to a couple bases your troops cower in to intercept missiles fired at our jew masters

Certainly come off as stupid as a fed would.

and hit the target

what target did they hit?

If you invade a foreign country you can never win because your opponent lives there and will still be there when you have to inevitability retreat and go home. Even if you win it looks like you lost.

The White House was just a house that was white, it wasn’t nearly as symbolic or monumental as the current one. They burned it down as a “fuck you” but objectively got smoked in that war. They were only half assing it anyway, Napoleon took up most of their attention.

A military factory.

On Thursday, the Ukrainian city of Dnipro was hit by a Russian air strike which eyewitnesses described as unusual, triggering explosions that went on for three hours.

bbc.com/news/articles/cvg07zw9vj1o

Population numbers as success metrics

Not really telling. Chances are that the population did rise, but likely not as much a lot of it probably is due to better methods of counting and the incentives of all developing countries to make their population look larger in order to get more humanitarian aide.

Russia won a devastating victory over faggot nigger nato wtf are you talking about?

Russia did gear for civilians in the first few days and maybe weeks of the war. When they still thought they could conquer Ukraine, now they don’t care anymore. And it didn’t really make a dent either.

Russia loses in Ukraine

Hasn't and wont happen. In the end Russia will regain territory and Ukrainian population will be replaced by 3rd worlders.

They had to retreat big time. The war is still a stalemate there is no big victory around the corner.

Phrased differently: "Why is America so incompetent and arrogant?"

I already described one of the mechanisms for destroying the bridges and posted two links to major Western news outlets.

Russia already managed to not become politically isolated and is currently using the Gaza situation to destroy the reputation of the West. Note that MANY of the "condemning" states didn't apply sanctions on Russia or send any military supplies to Ukraine. Some of them actually heavily finance the Russian budget (like Turkey).

most of the third world doesn’t want to ally with Russia nor do they want to oppose Russia

Isn’t it obvious? Only China really matters. Even India and Brazil are that relevant. The others want to remain credibly neutral as they were during the Soviet times. It‘s not something new. The same goes with Israel they won’t join NATO and they won’t too publicly oppose Russia or China. It’s their strategic calculus. All old and known.

Russia loses in Ukraine

source: it was real in my tranny mind

In reality:

Russia against USA in Ukraine

Ukraine loses regardless of outcome

Also

most abstained

Which basically says we know what you did was horrible, but we aren’t in a position to condemn it outright (65)
And (93) agree with the notion. While just (18) mostly irrelevant states in Russias sphere of influence opposed it.

oil, no?

against US

You missed the point even under Biden the support was lukewarm. Obviously the Us wanted to get Europe to spend more on defense. The Us, Russia, the Uk and France especially though the failure to establish proper protocols in the 1990s did significantly contribute to the war. But it still was and elective war of choice by Russia.

Ukraine will lose regardless

Yes and add Russia

Sandniggers aren't fighters they can only loot plunder and rape to increase their numbers but once they see a formidable enemy they remove their pants and kneel down for the incoming tornado.

We're afraid people will call us hateful names if we indiscriminately kill 25% of an adversary's population in a month. With nukes it would be more like 90% in a week.

we defeated their navy

Amerimutts...

Even Russia isn't allowed to do that so what makes you think you can do the same?
You will get nuked in response by other nuclear powers.

If seen so many videos from both sides I have a good idea where things truly are.

Retarded NAFO troons.

Kek
All true.
The Bulgarian ripped the amerimutt a new asshole.

We need Russia to keep europoors and China in check like Pakistan is being used by others to keep us in check.

Russia is there to make europoors seethe for eternity.

all those run by Jews for dishonest reasons.

Jews say "War is the harvest for the Jews".

Russia is overestimated in it’s importance.

What protocols?
The west can support any amount of terrorists and extremists calling them freedom fighters and everybody should just deal with them killing anybody for any reason like they do in Syria now?
You are so full of shit. You raised monsters aimed at us, what do you think we should do with them? Wait and see? Well we did. For 8 years. For 8 years the west was preparing them for a blitzkrieg.
Just go fuck yourself, retarded shithead. Stop raising terrorists all other the world, retard. Even the US managed to sober up somewhat, but not you.

You missed the point. I was talking about the dissolution of the Soviet empire. Obviously mistakes were made there.

Mistakes? Pouring billions and several European armies of weapons into batshit insane terrorists indoctrinated by specifically curated propaganda funded directly by USAID is a mistake you say? WW2 is probably also just a mere miscalculation, ye?

I think it started in the 70's when the west helped the mujahadeen overthrow the royal family. They had peace for decades. They imported hippies and rock and roll in the 60s and the glowies came in and did thier buggery in disguise.

Pretty standard formula

give leading religious figure a pallet of cash

religious figger says "x" is an enemy of Islam

rinse repeat

yes it can, in fact the superpowers (except Russia which is not a superpower like the soviet union) can destroy the defenses and eliminate the defending army in weeks and theoretically win the war (if the invaded country surrenders), the hard part is to keep the territory under control when there is a lot of resistance (especially guerrilla warfare).

America did not lose in Iraq, actually they won there twice. You should have used Vietnam instead.

and eliminate the defending army in weeks

So if the Taliban army was eliminated, how does it control Afghanistan?

Funny how you faggots think overthrowing a secular regime who kept muslim extremists on check is winning?
Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, and Lybia are now all MAD MAX hellscapes ruled by muslim warlords.