Anon Babble was wrong

Well that's interesting
I think the bet on solar will come down to how easily lithium phosphate battery banks can be built on an industrial scale

They don't just burn coal for energy, they also use it for steel production, which is something they kicked into overdrive with their increasing militarization and infrastructure building. They are the world's largest steel producer and 90% of their foundries are powered by coal. Greening up their steel industry will likely be one of the very last priorities since they can't afford any disruption to their economic and military aspirations. Meaning they will still be mining and poisoning the land, water and air for the next few decades.

Wopping 1.6%

India goes up twice that

They moved almost all their coal plant production and a fair amount of manufacturing to Africa, in countries such as Ethiopia. They haven't reduced carbon emissions -- those emissions are simply being emitted elsewhere.

China also regularly lies. They produce the most solar panels, so of course they have an interest in promoting solar panels. They're probably producing solar panels in Ethiopia, with the production being powered by coal.

what happened to renewables are a meme

They still are. There is nothing renewable about them and they dont produce on demand, reliable electricity.

Why would they need coal for backup? Aren't renewables enough?

China is building lots of battery power but the real energy storage system that they're investing in is pumped hydro

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pumped-storage_hydroelectric_power_stations#Under_construction

Just scroll down and look the sheer amount of pumped hydro plants under construction right now in China. Almost 200 gigawatts worth.
Reducing coal in power generation is still a major boon, since it's the single biggest consumer of coal by a large margin. And they are taking baby steps to reduce coal use in steel production via investments in green steel projects.
They're encouraging African countries to go renewable too. Since like you said, they can sell them solar panels and wind turbines.

Now start at 2008 when the king nigger got elected and compare it to white western nations.

Not enough storage for now.
Yeah, that's why you need lots of them, and enough energy storage to cover them.

That infrastructure will expire in 12-15 years.
China is doing this because they overproduced this shit anticipating Westoid retard massive orders for Agenda 2030, and now they have all this leftover stock and are overbuilding like they did all those ghost cities.

You're the typical hype believing can't see the forest for the trees Chinky Gook for falling for this. Fucking asian "men".

Yoooo, you'll never believe this dope new thing I heard about it's sooo hype, yeah yeah, it is the same shit everyone else is talking about.

So whats the point of using them? For social media clout? So you can say look at me im green? Its fucking retarded and what about the other 70% of energy consumption? Heating, transport, heavy duty transport and industrial heat? Whats the renewable solution?

Meanwhile Sweden has reduced its CO2 emissions by 40% in 20 years, despite a 10-20% population increase.

So that you can cut coal and oil use? You think China wants to keep burning all that stinky stinky coal? Air quality got so bad in 2008 that there were riots. Riots in China... Or do you think that China want to keep importing oil via vulnerable sea routes?

Heating,

Heat pumps

transport,

EVs

heavy duty transport

More expensive EVs with high end batteries.

industrial heat

Industrial heat pumps/electric heaters. Or nuclear.

200 gigawatts

Wake me up at Tera watts

Very likely by the 2030s

Good, because it will be 0.01 percent of China's total energy usage at 1 TW. You can come brag about it here

China's total energy wattage right now is around 2.5 terawatts. WTF are you talking about?

I said energy, not just electricity. If you substitute you industrial process wiht electricity, you will need a lot more than 3TW. I can't believe a chink can be this bad at math.

We are talking about electricity use here.

China is majority hydrocarbons like every country. Whats with this renewable meme...

The point is that their hydrocarbon use has peaked and is falling. And is falling fast at that.

Only nuclear can potentially replace fossil fuel by the majority. Everything else is a meme on EROI.

And whats the benefit of this ?

Stick your head over a pile of burning coal and take a deep breath.

mutt cope right on time. Why don't you ever try to improve your own shithole so China stops beating you in everything? Why do you just seethe online? What does that fix?

Batteries in China are now so cheap the cost of kwh from pv and stored in batteries is $0.04/kWh (no interest rate correction, so a bit higher to displace alternative investments). Prices for 2026 deployments.
Their efficiency is insane, they can unironically achieve 100% renewables with time, with energy being borderline free.

why would you want energy independence?

idiot

Energy independence and cleaner air. This is why the west is finished, you are all fucking morons.

dude those renewables depreciate heavily. theyre gonna need a boat load of maintenance down the road thats gonna be unsustainable imo

they can do it now because they are command economy but also becauze they still have money but wait some time

Stop coping. This isn't healthy.

China Coal use has peaked, in 2013...ACK!

In EU its about 350 million tons for context

They're not just building renewables. They've also invested heavily in nuclear and are looking into thorium msrs as well

carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-power-plants-reached-10-year-high-in-2024/

The opposite, energy (not stored) from pv over 20 years is the cheapest there is for years now.
They just (2026 deployments) achieved $65 per kWh of battery capacity, 5000 cycles. That's $0.013 by pure division, even at $0.03 it makes solar the cheapest general energy source.

As pv and battery production cost is energy dominated, if energy cost drops 2x, future production cost will also drop (less than 3x). China is looking at energ prices of $0.02/kwh in 2040+

They're building coal mainly as backup generators, aka peaker plants. Most of China's coal plants today have a 70% utilization rate

They build new plants to replace use of old and dirty plants that produce smog. New have much lower emissions (not counting meme CO2).

Coal is China is being used as peaker plants. They are already forecasting that most coal plants will have utilization rates of as low as 20-40% by 2030.

less than 3x

Less than 2x. Typo

its not cope.
the best solar panel land is farming land. and you need massive amounts of land to generate all the power china needs. theyre already food unstable and theyre pushing themselves further down that road

youtu.be/gwuywqGXZA0

again, they can do it because the command economy gives them absolute power but they use that to make stupid decisions

e360.yale.edu/digest/china-new-coal-plants-2027

The plan clears the way to build new plants where needed to shore up the supply of power or to balance solar and wind, Bloomberg reports.

To that end, new coal plants must be able to ramp up and ramp down quickly. The plan also directs new plants to burn coal more efficiently than the existing fleet, and it will require some new power stations to run less than 20 percent of the time.

Even as coal plants multiply, and coal burning edges upwards, the average plant is also burning less coal. In the early 2000s, Chinese coal plants were running roughly 70 percent of the time, but today they are running only around 50 percent of the time. In competition with cheap solar and wind, a large share of coal plants are now operating at a loss.

As renewables continue to grow in China, writes Oxford data scientist Hannah Ritchie, coal generators will increasingly serve as “peaker” plants, meeting spikes in demand or gaps in supply. “Most of the world is used to gas playing that role. But China has never embraced gas,” she writes. “So, coal is the ‘flexible’ or ‘peaker’ fuel of choice.”

al is China is being used as peaker plants

Coal is China is being used as peaker plants

t. Know nothing about coal plants

Gas turbines are good peaker plants, coal not so much. Ultra high performance steam turbines and boilers are picky about regimes changes and start/stop.

its not cope.

It's cope. Stop doing that.

Even as coal plants multiply, and coal burning edges upwards, the average plant is also burning less coal.

In 2024 China had record coal consumption.

China doesn't have lots of gas, so coal is being used instead. With better data and forecasting coal can be used, even if it's not as good as gas. The way I see it, batteries will be used for any energy shortfalls and using the time granted to you by the batteries, the coal plants can be bought online. So batteries first and coal as the 2nd layer if the energy shortfall is long lasting.
And in the first 4 months of 2025, coal use has declined 4.7% from last year.

yeah youre right, i havent looked at the data in a while. but still china can do it because theyre communists and they subsidize that industry heavily but its not sustainable or doable otherwise, other countries would have done it already. im from california, theyve looked at this from every which way for over 30 years and it hasnt taken off because the free market determined its not economically feasible thus far. and trust me, the nature and health freaks would have done it here if they could have already because they try so hard because muh mother nature.

california weather is perfect for solar panels but they havent done as much because you need massive swaths of land to do it well but that land would be better used to farm.
see my post and the video i listed they are doing that stupid sparrow genocide thing again from maos revolution

watch the video chang

And in the first 4 months of 2025, coal use has declined 4.7% from last year.

month

Just lol.
Again china's coal "peaked" already in 2013.

China wasn't installing hundreds of gigawatts of renewables in 2013.

go watch a falun glownigger cult channel

the only good falun glownigger is a organ harvested one, kek.

You can't drink the tap water in a 5-star hotel in China

b-b-b-but

nigger you CANNOT drink the tap water in a 5-star fucking hotel in the BEST cities in the country. You literally cannot unless you want to get sick.

AI slop China collapse two more weeks video #462748392

No, don't think I will

China wasn't installing hundreds of gigawatts of renewables in 2013.

And their coal consumption went down since 2013 until local minimum in 2016...

That was due to air quality improvement push, shutting down lots of China's older and dirty coal plants. The change now is fundamental and from the ground up, there's no reason to run coal other than as peaker plants when renewables are cheaper. I guess we'll see in 2-3 years if it sticks.

what is so bad about the falun people? as far as i understand they are close to historical chinese spirituality. i mean the ccp doesnt like them because they dont like communism but then again the ccp is a modernist western-norm based creation and destroyed all off ancient chinese civilization, so there is that i guess

guess we'll see in 2-3 years if it sticks.

In 2025 surely coal (and other energy consumption) in china will fall down together with their economy because of the trade wars.

Power generation in China has been growing a steady pace, even in April when the 145% tariff was in place

Lag.

But the 145% tariff is reduced to 30% now

They said the same about EVs but turns out battery driven cars are way more durable than ICEs. So much that mechanics have increased their charges to face lower demand.

Everything about China is fake.

they are close to historical chinese spirituality.

Retard