This is politically incorrect even for this board but men and women are the same, you give a woman testosterone and she will grow a beard, deep voice and large clitoris to the point where it can look like a penis with no balls and no wrapped skin/pee hole, everyone starts out the same in the womb, this proves that trans gender ideas are correct and valid. This argument is too good.
Men and women are the same
Men and women are the same
That's why when you give one gender an influx of sex hormones that the opposite gender produces more of their bodies get fucked up
I'm not sure you've actually thought this argument through lol. If anything it's a case for the opposite of what you're arguing for.
extremely weak bait
nigger
so if you give a woman test then she starts producing sperm?
Thread done.
The clitoris wouldn't have the pee hole at the tip, so no sperm shooting out, also women don't have testicle so no sperm production, they have ovaries, those are the female version of balls.
Don't be racist, also I'm white
gender is based on gametes
thank you for admitting that you dont change your gender because its at conception
Yeah, my little sister tried to feed me that bullshit too when she was in college. Go ahead and look up "Sexual Dimorphism" and never say we're the same again.
This sexual dimorphism, isn't always that clear, what are examples of this ? Most things can be changed, and varies
Good luck changing your chromosomes
Your thread is awful and you should feel awful for having made it
Have you heard of an intersex person ? Sometimes they have no gamete or mixed gametes.
you give a woman testosterone
So we are not the same?
Will testosterone make her grow 30cm taller as well?
What if you have androgen insensitivity syndrome, XY chromosomes but female external genitals, and look like a female, what if someone is XXY, or has some other chromosomal difference ?
If they are fully grown, no, if they are still in puberty, I'm not sure
Most things can be changed
They really can't. You might want that to be true (for whatever reason), but you'd be ignoring biology.
en.m.wikipedia.org
there is not a single intersex person that ever produced both gametes you fucking retard
It depends on what, some things could definitely be changed, but remember hormones are usually started when someone has gone through puberty, that is why stuff like build can stay the same.
fpbp
Don't troon out, OP. I used to have a couple trans friends when I was bluepilled and they were always depressed.
you sound like celine, a pussy is a wound that never heals
Women could never understand men's problem that's why they are never going to get a real candidate and continue to lose
All I did was give some facts here
Lmao
How much testosterone do you take and for how long? What are the consequences of taking it for a long period of time?
The amount of time you have to take it.
We are both privileged cis men, do you think we understand women's problems ?
An example of a possible side effect is fertility reduction, but not everyone wants to give birth,, testosterone will give some permanent changes, like a much deeper voice, how long you take it really varies
You are a deluded man in a dress and ill fitting wig
Why do the filers suck on mobile?
Im actually not trans,
She has no y chromosome.
If they have a y chromosome they are a male.
If they have a deformity they are a male with a deformity.
If they mutilate their genitals and have them turned inside out, they are a male with a penis turned into a sock.
If she has androgen insensitivity syndrome she could
If he has a y chromosome, he is a male.
If you want me to call you she I don't mind bro, but you're not a woman.
Calling it a deformity doesn't invalidate its existance or that fact that it isn't a binary category
if you have children or are around them at all it becomes very obvious that they are not the same
They are, the difference is how they are socialized and taught to act/the roles and identity placed on them
It does. Some people are born with two heads. Sometimes twins share one body. Does that make a double headed person a new breed of human?
wrong retard
boys at the park of pretty much any age will always get together and find the biggest stick and start hitting shit with it
girls don’t do that
Conjoined twins do exist though, rare and non existent are not the same
As a woman who was born with too much testosterone in her blood and has had to deal with feeling like a guy in a woman's body all her life, I can't confirm the statement in the OP. If you have a woman's body, you're just cursed. Every religion that believes in rebirth defines being born in a woman's body as punishment for a previous blasphemous male life. I can only advise every man to be virtuous, upright and brave. A woman's body is a living hell on earth.
You either have a Y chromosome and a man, or you're a woman.
People experiencing transgenderism needs to understand what it is, its pedophilia in disguise.
From a Freudian perspective, the case presents a deeply conflicted individual whose gender identity has become entangled with early childhood trauma. The subject, having experienced repeated sexual exploitation during psychosexual development—particularly during the latency and pre-genital stages—struggles to differentiate authentic identity from internalized experiences of abuse. Freud posited that unresolved early trauma, especially of a sexual nature, could fixate the libido at certain developmental stages, leading to neuroses or distortions in ego formation. In this case, the ego may attempt to integrate the traumatic experience not as a foreign imposition, but as part of a constructed self, in order to reduce psychic dissonance.
The desire to find external validation—be it through institutional endorsement, social reinforcement, or grooming behaviors toward others—may reflect a repetition compulsion (Wiederholungszwang), whereby the subject unconsciously attempts to recreate the traumatic scenario, but this time as the agent rather than the victim. In doing so, the individual seeks mastery over the original experience, even if it results in perpetuating harm or confusion. The compulsion for approval may function as an ego defense—seeking normalization of identity not solely for social affirmation, but as a desperate attempt to resolve an unconscious conflict between what was imposed and what is felt.
Yet psychoanalysis would not see this as a fixed pathology, but rather a complex defense system structured around deep psychic wounds. The therapy, from this point of view, would aim not to invalidate gender identity, but to disentangle it from the unresolved trauma beneath—helping the patient articulate a self that is not a reenactment of abuse, but a more integrated identity.
Trannies can’t even act like sex they are becoming. Some bitch cuts her dick off and takes hormones to get a beard will never pass as a man. You will know it’s tranny or a total faggot. Same with tranny men. They act faggot drag queens where think being is just clothes, makeup and acting like a faggot.
She is a cis woman with testosterone, she doesn't necessarily have xy chromosomes, I don't understand by "you either have y chromosome and a man"
High testosterone I mean, everyone has testosterone
*what you mean by, goodness I'm tired, can't grammar right now
feeling like a guy in a woman's body all her life
how would you possibly know what it feels like to be a guy?
or, put it this way:
why do you insist that your feelings are not those of a woman?
you are a women, therefore your feelings are a woman's feeling.
are you trying to say you believe you don't fit into certain "womanly" stereotypes?
i sympathize, but thinking you know w=how a guy feels sounds really arrogant.
but I'm open to having my mind changed...
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
False. Bone structure doesn't change and it's permanent.
I'm an asexual, ex allosexual cis male who decided to go against bigotry, once again I'm not trans
If you get to a certain age, it's permanent
Incorrect. The tranny juice just destroys the bone structure in all of them. The tranny process destroys their own bodies in every way there is. The problem with trannies is mental illness.
Do women pee out of their clits?
I'm an asexual, ex allosexual cis male
wut?
are you ignorant if you think you know what it feels like to be a woman? aren't we both capable of observing the other sex?
you are a women, therefore your feelings are a woman's feeling
you are a man, therefore your feelings are a man's feeling
but they are both also human feelings, if we were incapable of relating to each other, there could be no society
No, the urethra in women doesn't go through their clitoris
I used to get aroused by things but over time I'm becoming asexual, loosing interest in sexual thoughts