Why did everything used to be about gods/god, worship for all human history

t. Jordan Peterson

Before reason and science, we needed some way to understand the world. Most people were poor and stupid for most of human history. Religion is kind of the default position for most people and societies without anything else to fill in the gaps. Infact religiouse people used to protest people going to plays and even playing games becouse if you had any hobbies it might make you not a religious retard like them.

Just going to leave this here.

You are a dog and a liar

Each citizen was allotted one drachma to cover the ticket cost of two obols (διωβελία) on each day of the three-day Dionysia.

even hobos were allowed to witness the wonders of the theatro

thanks to the the religious festivities

because when uneducated humans don't understand how anything works they make shit up to explain it.

pol is a prime example of this.

Number 1 copper merchant all time, simple for a god.

It wasn't, started in earnest together with kingship

Easiest way to control people that were on the edge of violence every day

Gods are basically personified explanations for the world.
The only reason they are so prevalent is because some geniuses created stories around them which persisted.

Humans don't intuitively understand natural laws but do intuitively understand other humans, so it's easier to explain the world in terms of gods and spirits than in terms of unthinking processes. "Don't disturb human remains because they're full of dangerous bacteria" is harder to explain than "don't disturb human remains because you'll upset the ghosts of the dead", but both explanations lead to the same conclusion.

That is a plasma formation.

It was the only way to stop pride parades, cross dressing, and genital mutilations.

Life was so short, brutal, and at the silly whims of nature that sapient creatures could only possibly fathom some cruel, greater race was purposely fucking with them and the only way to have some sort of stability was to appease them.

There are few, if any, benevolent or "good" Gods in early religions. Humans had to personify the indifference of nature and their yet to ability to control it into Gods. By personifying them, they could "control" it some extent.

READ NIGGA READ

Well said. They say things in the sky and heard what they wanted to hear in their heads.

I have never looked at people quite the same way since reading Julian Jaynes. Especially blacks and Irish.

oh look it's one of the humans who makes shit up.

What should I expect from this?

1. Puritans (England and Colonial America)
They were famously against theater, dancing, gambling, and many games.

They viewed these things as "idle amusements" that pulled people away from God.

In 17th-century England, Puritans shut down theaters when they gained power (like during Oliver Cromwell’s rule).

In Puritan New England, laws were passed banning games on Sundays and even some forms of celebration (like Christmas).

2. Theater as Immoral
Religious critics often saw theater as promoting lewd behavior, lies, and sinful temptations.

Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.

The idea was: “If you’re pretending to be someone else, you’re lying. That’s ungodly.”

3. Time and Spiritual Priorities
Many religious groups emphasized that every moment should be used to serve God, study scripture, or do good works.

Spending time on “frivolous” hobbies was considered a waste or even spiritually dangerous.

4. Broader European Context
The Catholic Church at times criticized Carnival celebrations for excess and lack of piety.

Other Protestant movements in Europe echoed the Puritans’ disapproval of secular festivities and amusements.

Poeple listened wehen you told them God said so.

Literally most of the rules of Kosher/Hallel are about health, and ther easiest way to make people stop being sick was tell them, "Hey..... God (or the gods) said not to eat [this item that made people sick] or else."

Shit, half of those ancient food laws are about preperation of the food to keep it sanitary.

Yeah, if you look at the Jewish laws it's similar too.

Don't eat shell fish or pigs. Shellfish are often bottom feeders and can harbor dangerous pathogens, not to mention they spoil easily. Pigs on the other hand are somewhat related to us and can harbor diseases that can pass to us .ore easily than other animals.

vs.

God said we can't eat those because they're dirty. Don't want to make God mad, do you?

I hope y'all understand that your "understanding" of humanity's invented deities doesn't actually preclude a creator or divine revelation

Hive mind

made up

The beard and big eye shape is literally an electrical tourus and has been replicated in laboratories starting with with work of Antony Peratt.

Feel free to check for yourself. Most of these ancient images turn out to be electrical plasma

Get a flag first, coward

And what if GOD is watching all of you here !

Gods weren't all authoritarian beings back in the days. Back then they were more akin to fairies, daemons, spirits, djinns, elves or gnomes.
One village alone could inhabit more gods than humans. There was a god for cutlery and doorknobs.
One magic mushroom trip and you could even communicate with them.
That said, it changed when humans began to manipulate events in such ways that they portraited themselves as the "chosen". And if you dare to defy them, you get lightning and earth quakes and stuff. It can backfire, sure. But pull everything to not do the dishes or get the best cuts, even though you didn't participate in the hunt.

gnomes

Kek

It's a funny but cynical adventure book that immerses you into the world just before the bronze age collapse with amazing historical authenticity and attention to detail.
99% of people are selfish or NPCs who don't care. And the 1% who are idealists who ask "why?" are ironically or rather tragically the most stupid for even attempting to find an answer. In regards to Gods/religion the book basically states it's a necessary evil (organized religion at least) and attempting to challenge it leads to an even worse outcome. It can also be seen as a criticism against Christianity which preaches kindness whilst its followers have done mass atrocities in its name

Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.

This is self evidently true and the problems caused by actors are widespread in out society.

We need common-sense acting control.

Because this realm is like the Truman show for the arcons. They are real

Always funny when smartasses who are "able" to relativize the ideas held by men 5000 years (because they read one book) ago can't do the same for their own (that book hasn't been written yet)

skip thousands of years of Ancient history

England and Colonial America

Protestants

You are talking about a very modern religious denomination that was invented by kikes to subvert all of Europe, while completely forgetting how Assyria, Sumer, Babylon, Egypt etc. made huge cultural and scientific advances while still being strictly religious. Science was persued by man to better understand the world of God and the things given to us by him. The fathers of science were religious and in no way at all similar to any reddit faggot, Socrates physique would mog all the fedora hats even at the ripe age of 70.

You’ve sold me. I’ll give it a read.

got some more pixels anon?

Still is. Nothings changed. The gods masquerade to fit the current zeitgeist

Fun fact: Tolkien initially intended to name the Sindarin Elves Gnomes.
Occasionally it pops up here and there in his notes.

Asmon, is that you?

all the Mesopotamian deities, without exception, were associated with the heavenly bodies and this was not much different in other parts of the world.
because stars/planets = Gods.
back in the day the only lightsource in the sky was the proto Saturnian Sun, this was before the present Sun captured it, this proto saturnian sun had occasional "flare ups" and other plasma discharges which inspired and struck fear into humans.
basically all ancient religions are Saturnian Sun religions and the concept of religion and God was invented because of it, it is after the first major flare up (described in the genesis myths of many peoples) that civilization began.

Everything still is they just have new gods.

are you the same saturn anon from a few days ago when we had a thread about the shiva statue at cern?

yes

I fed your unfunny joke into ChatGPT and asked it to make an actually funny version of your joke. And some of them are pretty good.

1. Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.
And rightfully so. We need universal background checks for drama school applicants.
No one needs fully-automatic crying-on-command.

2. Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.
We must take action.
Ban method acting. No one should become the Joker just because they landed a movie role.

3. Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.
Thoughts and prayers aren’t enough.
It’s time for common-sense stage legislation.
Close the loophole where any 19-year-old can buy a monologue from Shakespeare with no waiting period.

4. Actors were sometimes considered immoral or even godless.
The Founding Fathers never envisioned Broadway.
We must restore traditional values: one man, one stagecoach, no costumes.

it’s the only thing truly worth contemplation

ja nice, was ist den eigentlich deine meinung zu schamanismus (in sibirien oder ostasien zB)? sind die auch von Saturn inspiriert worden?

Because people used to be able to think about things and memorize a lot more; therefore, they could put 2 and 2 together. Unlike nowadays, where you all just scroll and masturbate and have never thought about anything past what brand of chips you like.

Oh, so basically, it is reddit neck beard tier trash for people who are completely ignorant of history and a real book would be too much for their gay attention spans.

people stopped worshiping and having gods

Money is a god. Entertainment is a god. The opinions of influancers and scientists tell people what to worship. Nothing has truly changed.

Dumbass deity

Same thing as sex

K buddy.

Humans are slaves that long for a master.

And back then it was a requirement or you becomes a outcast, bashed to the wilds.

used to

Pretty dumb animals

Have to stand in a circle around a sacred cow just to become better. Sad!

Because God or gods are our only salvation from death. Death is the biggest concern, by far, of all human beings. We need to believe there is life after death, so we need to believe there are gods who are immortal and who can overcome death and resurrect us if we obey and please them.

Cause we didn't know how shit worked so a man in the sky was the excuse

It's obviously not going to be as good in english as the original, as with all literature.
quite the opposite. the themes in the book are timeless but wrapped in papyrus. It forces you to face the harsh truths of reality, and with almost 800 pages it's not suitable for the tiktok fried brain

Common sense

It's not even logical or scientific to think existence is random when random is the word we use to describe a process too complex to understand and predict.

used to be

Nigga, you're literally a slave to a secretive cabal of priests who give blood sacrifices to their god Remphan.

Glass houses, stones, etc.

How is it that not one of the many hundreds of thousands of gods have not punished us for forgetting to worship it?

You're not doing a very good job of explaining it. I found some other reviews that did a better job. You make it sound like reddit neckbeard trash, but other reviews make it sound more serious and an achievement.

never mentioned sex

If you want to go down that road ever heard of porn? Simping? people worshiping at the feet of cam girls?

One of the worst punishments is to let humanity do what it wants and then suffer the consequences.

t. got scammed into believing the world exists because a random fart from nothing that turned fish into humans

the first sip from the glass of the natural sciences will make you an atheist. At the bottom of the glass, God will be waiting for you.

YOURE A FISH WHO BECAME HUMAN WHEN NOTHING EXPLODED

HECKIN SCIENCE AND REASON

Is it though? Isn't a red hot poker in your butt a worse one? What about that one where Christians would saw a dude in half with one of them big tree saws while you hang upside down? Oh wait, remember when the retarded superstitious idiots who worshiped all them fake Greek gods would put a woman and her baby in a cage and drop it in the sea? That was some fucked up shit there and they had stupid religions just like your retarded one and that was way worse than when retarded religious idiots would just shut the fuck up and stop molesting people's kids.

Show us on the doll, where the disguised jew touched you

singularity dust morphed into space amoebas which lost their fish fins to become dinosaurs and then chickens

You are trying to mock evolution and the Big Bang theory in a Reddit-style rant to somehow prove that God is real or that religion makes sense. Even if both of those theories were wrong, it still wouldn't prove that God is real.

Everything still is about gods. You are all enslaved to Babylon like pathetic goyim, only Christians are liberated from Babylon.

Enjoy worshipping your porn addictions and grandiose delusions, you mongrels.

I guess "funny but cynical" sounds like that. But it's those things genuinely instead of the reddit faux-way, if that makes any sense.

When someone in your retarded superstition does something gross, is it the sacred duty of the dupes and halfwits to blame it on some other retarded superstition?

in sibirien

The Yakut of Siberia knew of a celestial locality called "the still center of the world" from which "the sun never sets."
Of course, there will now be those who will argue that, in Earth's polar regions, the Sun remains above the horizon for half of the year and, in that respect, it never sets.
Unfortunately for this argument, the Sun does eventually set, and it remains absent for the second half of the year.
Besides, while visible during the short summer months, the polar Sun is hardly immobile as it circles around the sky above the horizon.
In view of what we know concerning the immobility of the primeval Saturn, it is more than obvious that what the Yakut were describing was the dimly remembered Saturnian sun.
the Yakuts of Siberia also have it that, "in the beginning," the Creator who, among them, is known as "Yryn-Ajy-Tojon", moved "above the boundless ocean," which ocean is easily understood as proto-Saturn's circumstellar disk (and this concept also shows up with other natives like in North America, Asia etc.)
Among the Evenks, who belong to the Tungus group of Siberia, the name of the North Star translates as
"the middle of the universe."
True enough, as the center of the northern sky, this name might be thought of as an appropriate one.
But to another Tungus group, the North Star is known as "the pillar" and as we already discovered, this Pillar is the plasma discharge which stretched from Saturns Southern pole towards the Earths Northpole.

bump

Well simply put, because in times of desperation it seemed like it worked. You dont have rain for three months? Start sacrificing to the raingods and then three weeks later it rains, so it must work! How can you deny the power of our almighty raingod?

Or maybe mind over matter is real or some bullshit and if enough minds go together then human abstractions can indeed manifest into gods, who in turn can shape the world for us, who knows.

They cared more when people believed in them.

Whats the truth?

i hate saturnian niggers like you wouldnt believe it

Jordan Peterson is right on the aspect that the implicit worship is much much bigger than the explicit worship of known gods (iceberg.jpg)
humans can't cope with the fact that "this is it". That "this is as good as it gets".
Which is everyone even so called atheists have this innate belief (no matter how much they deny it) that there must be more to it, more to life.
which is also why there will always be some kind of dominant religion even if it's just in form of globohomo that doesn't have the official religion status

Whats the truth?

we're on a tiny godforsaken rock (earth) in the middle of nowhere stuck here with a bunch of niggers who are outbreeding us

used to be

All of life is far more boring than words could ever say.
Our eyes and our ears are never satisfied with what we see and hear.
Everything that happens has happened before; nothing is new, nothing under the sun.
Someone might say,“Here is something new!”
But it happened before, long before we were born.
No one who lived in the past is remembered anymore, and everyone yet to be born will be forgotten too.

We directly observe evolution

also FYI, these yakut people also sacrificed animals (like horses and cows) to the Saturnian deity.
so literally just murdering animals in the hopes that a massive plasma ball in the sky grants them favors, protection, or blessings.
not has bad as human sacrifices like they did elsewhere in the world but still the same type of retardation just one step removed.

It's about the only thing which matters, but the modern man is sedated by distractions.

we dont actually know that they were worshipping "gods" period - that is a modern word.

In fact, the uneducated humans are US, we project "gods" onto them - we made it up cuz we couldn't explain it.

Their concept of god was completely different than ours. Completely different words and meanings. The christcucks just looked at achaeology and took the bible at literal truth and assumed "these must be those pagan gods we've heard so much about"

u dumb boy

yeah but isnt that a trait for nearly all religions? i know i was looking a bit for more esoteric groups to join a few years ago and was saddened that even some taoist groups still do animal sacrifices

you are a retard

I have never looked at people quite the same way since reading Julian Jaynes. Especially blacks and Irish

lmao I think that's the main reason it doesn't get publicity. You're supposed to apply the theory to ancient history, but then have a look at some contemporary peoples and you're in big oof-territory. Add to that stories of abbos or barely linguistic or feral people basically confirming their mentality was totally different before coming to civilization.
This is only entertainment. Fiction that you shouldn't draw your historical suppositions from. In fact fiction is especially bad because it implicitly sneaks in ideas to your head with your guard down.

Is that it.. is that all you got from your multiple years of living on said godforsaken rock, why not believe in something greater.. you can't see air, but its there to aid you throughout life.

Nothing better to do.

yeah but isnt that a trait for nearly all religions?

there were some exceptions but they are rare and overall retards worldwide thought its a good idea to sacrifice to the Saturnian deity for various reasons.

why not believe in something greater

because I'm incapable

This scene from Saga of Tanya the Evil explains it good.
youtu.be/trEHvnwkxY0?si=DEhT6MyWAS5p2Cf9

I'm incapable

Sorry to hear that, so it's all just doom and gloom from here on out.. what will you do? I got a feeling it'll only get better from here on out, we got Trump.

The Gods are real. Always have been. But they are more trouble than they're worth.

Organised religions have always been means to control populations. Behaviour can be managed with threats of divine punishment or reward by omnipotent forces that scrutinise your every thought and deed. Now we have the techno-stare apparatus performing that role

what else is there to go besides fear dying you go around killing god to make yourself feel souperior and unafraid of dying

So why does that mean we need stupid gods to make everyone's lives more miserable? Does your point already not make it hard enough? Life would be enjoyable enough or at least FAR more even if nothing mattered as long as it wasn't for the stupid gods who've genocided MILLIONS of people through their believers. Im hoping we have a final science renaissance and somehow these morons finally get what they deserve.

there is only one god who is worthy of worship

This thread is stupid af, ancient humans clearly experienced some sort of supernatural phenomena where they were contacted by otherwordly beings, theres literally too much weird shit that atheists dont even know exist and they dont care about as they solely focus on debunking each versicle of the bible after each versicle of the bible
And it seems like this phenomena is capable of grant you things, let it be health or wealth or happiness
Why was Constantine the great, a non-Christian able to see a cross in the sky before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge? We could point at shit like this but atheists are too limited by their own political beliefs and they are being held hostages by their own nihilistic depression to even consider things like this

Why did everything used to be about gods/god, worship for all human history

If all people believed that nothing matters you would be living in an apocalyptic hellish planet where everyone will behave like haitians or somalians, your nihilistic atheist utopia will never happen because its simply deranged more deranged than any religious nutjob

Great men were elevated to godhood once they died. Since the age of the great men is over and we live in the age of the accountant and the banker, there are no men worthy of apotheosis. Who are we going to grant godhood, Elon Musk? Kek.

Literally how, because I dont worship a god, why do I need to worship a stupid god? I have my wife, a good job, walks at the park, whys gods making me not go crazy? Why do people feel like they need that? Dumbass god?

You are confusing those gods with christcuckery.
If you want to see the most modern version of *that* paganism, just talk to Japanese about their religion. You can also try indians, but they're a bit too hardcore about it. You know, overprotective, because of the muslims trying to wipe it out.

Basically it's how people explained things to each other. You use modern science terms, they were talking about those abstract gods. As a phenomena that they gave personality and human-like traits. Because people just like doing that. See mascot culture btw.

This is how you explain things to children as well. It's called Anthroponymization.

And btw, rituals were usually a form of preserving knowledge and culture. So they were functional, useful. Especially before people started to write everything down and were taught to read.
It's was a natural state of things and people were crazy about gods like they are today.

people were crazy about gods like they are today

were not crazy
*fix*

Literally reverse thread

Are there still public rituals? Other than your idea of "humiliation rituals" but actual tribal ritualistic behavior

Pillar is plasma discharge

Wasn’t that Mars i.e the Cosmic Mountain picrel

Christ is truth

Thats what everybody did before they all started worshipping niggers

if you're interested in religion you're going to love this

youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

Amen Brother. The Truth, Way and Light.

that CERN thing. also that tunnel thing with the swedes. A lot of deviations of yoga and naturopathy has elements of warding and magic. Actually magic is still
practiced globally right down the sacrifices, including children in some places. This entire thread is sort of build on a false premise.

Are there still public rituals?

actual tribal ritualistic behavior

Like dancing around fire and jumping over it? Over here it was and in some places still is a tradition for a specific day in the year.
Telling old myths and having fun kind of ritual.
But it's the children and teenagers who do it, not adults.
That's just one that is flashy and easy to explain. I can make it long, but it's gonna end up tl;dr so...

Or maybe you mean something else with "tribal ritualistic behavior" idk.
Also wtf is "humiliation rituals"?

People in the past processed reality differently, they were in altered states of consciousness all the time relative to us.

Why did everything used to be about gods/god, worship for all human history

Because your answer to the question "Does God exist, and if yes, which one" is literally the most important decision of your existence. It shapes both this life and the next.

The answer is Allah btw

yeah probably seems like in the early days people couldnt really make out what it connects to as Mars and Venus werent visible and the Proto Saturnian Sun was engulfed in "chaos".
this pillar is a jet-like plasma that stretched between proto Saturn and Earth.
From earth, this jet would have appeared as a singular ray of light emanating from protoSaturn or, as some had it, from the primordial ocean surrounding the proto-Saturnian orb.
Thus, in a hymn of praise to Ra as contained in the Papyrus of Ani, the primordial water known as Nu is said to have flooded the deity "with his rays of light."
In Japan, this ray was visualized as "the Heaven uniting pillar, on which the heavens rested as on a prop."
The Christian Sibyllines referred to it as a "pillar of glory."
In Egypt, this heaven sustaining column was known as khu and/or khut, which word utilizes a hieroglyphic character that translates as "vertical streamers of light ascending the world axis."
The message is clear enough: Although the direction of the light was interpreted differently by different peoples-that is, ascending or descending what the ancients purport to have seen was exactly what Hippolytus described as "the downward flow of light from above" and as "a ray coming from above."
Even Plato had reason to describe it as "a straight light like a pillar" which has been understood as "stretching along the axis of the cosmos," while others have presented it as "a cylinder of aetherial fire surrounding the axis."
There were also some who thought of this pillar of light as the god's single leg, or as the god acting in solemnity while standing on one leg.s This was even true of the Hindu Manu, considered by some as the prototype of the Biblical Noah, who stood on one foot performing awesome austerities for 10k years.
Osiris/Saturn, on the other hand, was lauded as having occupied a position above the leg of heaven, which leg was described as a "leg of fire."I

Did sumerians really have big ass eyes?

You are confusing those gods with christcuckery.

there is actually no difference since all chief deities are basically the Saturnian Sun or aspects of the Saturnian Sun.

just talk to Japanese about their religion

in Japan, too, while not explicitly identifying him as Saturn, the name of the original deity named in what can pass as that nation's Bible, the Kojiki, is "Ame-no- mi -naka-nushi -ro-kami", which translates as "Lord of the Centre of Heaven" (or Master of the August Center of Heaven), who existed during the time of chaos (the first flare up of the Saturnian Sun).
That the northpole (where all Saturnian deities are situated) is implied by this Center of Heaven is ascertained by the locality of the deity's celestial residence.
As with ancient China, Japans palace of the gods was also placed at Earth's north pole even though, as with such other sites, it was eventually terrestrialized into the one at Eshima.

You can also try indians

Like that of other ancient nations, Hindu astronomy is inseparable from mythology.
This particular mythology, however, continues to thrive as the basis of Hindu religion.
In a way, it can therefore be said that, among the Hindus, planetary worship is practiced to this day and not only in an indirect way.
Here I would like to remind you of that passage from the "Linga Purana" which admonishes that:

"the worship of the planets should be pursued by good men."

Moreover, the reason behind this admonition is the warding-off of evil at times of planetary "harassment."
in these modern times, not many practicing Hindus are even aware of these words, and few, if any, among them actually practice planetary worship, is besides the point.
Like the gods of other nations, Vedic deities are known by more than one name or epithet as so, also, are the planets.
Thus, one of the names for the Sun in Sanskrit is "Arka".
But then we find that three related designations for the planet Saturn in the same language are "Arki"; "Arka-putra" and "Arkatanayah".
Both "Arka-putra" and "Arkatanayah" translate as "son of the Sun."
Arkaja, which means "sun-born" can also be applied to the planet Saturn as so, also, can "Arkanandana".
So, once again, we find the planet Saturn bearing a name which is shared by the Sun

also strictly speaking, Brahma was not a Vedic deity. He more properly belongs to that corpus of Hindu lore known as Brahmanic mythology.
He was proclaimed the first of the Devas, usually said to mean "gods," but which properly translates as "shining ones".
Here it should be noted that the Sanskrit adjective "brahmanya" means "relating [or belonging] to Brahma.
Brahmanyah, however, is yet another epithet of the planet Saturn.

tl;dr Poojeets are also Saturn worshippers.

Because you touch yourself at night.

Fell for Carl Sagan's grift

Lmao

The eyes symbolize wakefullness since they never have time for rest because of their duty to always be praising their god

this
leftoids literally worship niggers and trannies yet have the nerve to call themselves atheists

People didn't understand how nature worked... they just saw it happening and then built a paradox around it to seek the truth of why, for example does the sky make a loud noise when it's about to rain; oh its because of this God!

Yep. You are as dumb as a rock.
Well done. Got things in my pond who know more than you.
My mum knows more than you and all she’s ever done all her life is stare at the television.
Very sad. Many such cases. But very sad.

everyone was dumb

but not me

You are the dumb one. You’re the one without a clue and talking shite.
Why bother?
Just say

I dunno, i’m a gawp and my entire life has been wasted.

The truth always gets you further than talking noodle doodles.

Why are you mad?

I didn't say they were dumb, I said people didn't understand the finer details.

Old gods tended to follow a tribes zone, where they lived and what the most destructive or awe inspiring natural force happened often. Yehweh for example was a warrior storm God, and the neighboring God in the similar area was baal, another warrior storm God, but they had slightly different "powers". Yehweh was more about flash flooding and baal was about the storm itself. Mount fuji is another example, a God like figure, but a natural force you could see.

Why did everything used to be about gods/god, worship for all human history

Or maybe it's because people back then knew where they came from and why they were here, but failed to pass it down to their children, which is why thousands of year later the vast majority of people on this earth have no motivation or will to live.

Yehweh

baal

some have seen the name "Satan" as having been derived from "Saturn."
Etymologically, this cannot be accepted since the name Satan is merely the English transcription of the Semitic "Shaitan". There are other indications, however that the entity known as Satan owes its origin to the planetary god in question.
The Gospel of Bartholomew names this "adversary of men" as Beliar (the same as Belial), which is merely a different rendering of Bel, whose identity as Saturn has been recognized by ancient as well as modern authorities.
The Gospel of Matthew, on the other hand, identifies him with Beelzebub (or Beelzebul), which should be more correctly rendered
"Ba'al Zebub".
Later still, the early Christian Fathers continued to regard Ba'al Zephon as Satan. And yet Ba' al Zephon translates as Lord of the North, which is a very appropriate title for the Saturnian planetary god situated in Earth's north celestial pole.

the Israelite EL, a common form of the Near Eastern Saturnian deity, is often referred to as "Ba'al".
Even Yahweh, identified as a Saturnian deity, was equated with Ba'al.
The Prophet Hosea himself referred to Yahweh as the Ba'al of Israel.
It therefore becomes evident that Satanic and divine power were ambiguously regarded as having been one and the same.
This ambiguity continues to be evidenced by the Gypsy name for "God, " which is "devel".
This is traceable to early Indo European nomenclature.
Thus, as it ended up in Hinduism, the word deva stood for "God."
But according to Persian (or Iranian) tradition , deva stood for "fiend" or "devil."
a Kurdish tribe known as the Yezidis worship Shaitan as a god. To them , Shaitan represents the real force of divine power. All this has been brought out here in order to stress the disparity of the planetary god Saturn who continued to be remembered both as the Lord of Light and the Star of Evil.

It therefore becomes evident that Satanic and divine power were ambiguously regarded as having been one and the same.

If I recall correctly some sects of Judaism today believe that satan and God are two sides of the same deity. To them satan is something like an "evil inclination". Interestingly you can see this is the symbolism they use; the symbol for God as good is triangle pointing upwards, while the symbol for the evil is a triangle pointing downwards. The combination of these is what makes up the "star of david", which is in fact a direct reference to their view of God.

makes sense

Lot of morons in that thread
explain why all the constants of the universe that so perfect

MFW the aincent Babylonians have basicly automated religion with these Kawai UGUUU clay motherfuckers and do more productive things than sitting at a temple for hours just looking at a guy in a funny skirt get drunk and/or high in order to allegedly appease the gods' fickle temperaments.

Somebody please explain why the ever-loving FUCK can't modern religions be more like my wife son's Bitcoin farm in the current year?

People are weak, you will begin to degrade without patronage. Those who think that people are worth something are very much mistake

All these things you said are Roman or claasical Greek concepts. Yehweh and baal predate all of that by a long shot... baal was beat out by the yehwehists and made baal lord of the flies.

/thread

So in the end Saturn cucked out and was replaced by Jupiter? We are told that the Aryans worshipped Jupiter.. who threw plasma lightnings and shit.. so he could be seen from earth aswell?

Remphan (also spelled Rephan; Koinē Greek: Ῥαιφάν) is a word mentioned by Stephen at the time of his death in the Book of Acts 7:43 in the New Testament referring to an object of idolatrous worship:

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. (Acts 7:43)

It is generally agreed by Biblical scholars to be the same as the Hebrew Kiyyun or Chiun (Hebrew: כִּיּוּן), mentioned in Amos 5:26.[1][2] Since the words "Kiyyun" ("Chiun") and "Remphan" are each hapax legomena, there is debate whether they are meant as common or proper nouns.[3] There is general agreement among bible scholars, however, that both remphan and chiun refer to the planet Saturn.[4]
You have to remember that astronomy was a middle eastern science, both Egypt and Babylon were ahead of their time in studying the stars.

its the same thing, just semitic retards infighting over how to call the Saturnian "deity".

So in the end Saturn cucked out and was replaced by Jupiter?

what actually had happened is that the present Sun cucked the Saturnian System.
there are also 2 theories currently about jupiters position during this:

when earth was tidal locked to saturn, jupiter was so far behind saturn that it couldnt be seen from Earth.

the other version is that:

jupiter was already part of the present suns system during the capture event (like in the webm where jupiter gets captured first)

what happened next:

as earth settled into its current orbital location there were a few flybys of jupiter

from a human point of view this looked like Saturn was displaced by jupiter

so you see its a perspective thing.

who threw plasma lightnings

during the capture event there were massive electric discharges all over the place.
the light pillar in the north, saturnian sun and its flare ups, the birth of the venus, venus destroying mars, earth was also struck by massive lightning bolts (sahara, grand canyon), CMEs and changes in the present Sun etc.
actually all planets in the system have the scars of massive lightning bolts and all kinds of lichtenberg pattern type of shit on the surface.

It's not... because yehweh and baal were God's before the bronze age collapse. There was no saturn, or those tribes that worshipped baal and yehweh had no idea what Saturn even was.

Most of these concepts we know of today about anything biblical are post bronze age collapse re shaping tales of old gods abd tribal feuds.

And do you have a timeline for all of this?

early people didnt have technology so they relied on the Gods for blessings

most people got united under one God who ruled the world through the Egyptians

Jews invade egypt, kill the people with that connection, and use the methods to connect to their own angel

the jewish angel becomes god of the world

suddenly the 'fallen angels' and their descendants are said to be doomed for hell, no forgiveness in the book of enoch.

Metatron wants to prevent more souls going to heaven by removing religion on earth

Osiris comes back down in the form of Egypt to die for everyones sins to stop them from being sent to hell by metatron

when the prophet Amos was riling against the Israelites, he accused them of having carried images of a stellar deity in a tabernacle.
The King James version of the passage in question is made to read:

"Have ye offered...sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, house of Israel? But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves."

This memory was still vivid in the days of the New Testament and is repeated in the Acts of the Apostles where the figure of Chiun is replaced with that of Remphan:

" ..ye house of Israel, have ye offered...slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them ... "

This is in keeping with the Septuagint version of the same passage which reads:

"Have ye offered .. . victims and sacrifices, o house of Israel, forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Rrephan, the images of them which ye made for yourselves."

The forty years in the wilderness alluded to in the above verses refer to the wandering of the Israelites following their departure, or exodus, from Egypt under Moses. Concerning the deity called Moloch I will offer nothing here, reserving the topic for a future shitpost.
in the next post I will concentrate on the god called Chiun in one version and Remphan/Rrephan in the others.

Who was this deity?
In both Amos and Acts this god is alluded to as

"the star of your god"

that is the star of the Israelites' god.
But what star did Remphan personify?
In the Testament of Solomon, Remphan is rendered Raphan concerning whom Solomon was said to have built a temple in conjunction with one to Baal/Moloch.
The Testament of Solomon is of Jewish origin but as we now have it, it is laden "with many Christian layers."
This is noted here because the name Raphan (or Ramphan or Rrephan) is unknown in Hebrew and must therefore have been introduced, or transliterated, by one of the Christian editors.
some believe Raphan (or Rephaim) is a reminiscence of a Hebrew word meaning "the shades," but it is more than probable that the name Remphan is nothing but a mistransliteration into Greek of the same Chiun in the King James version of Amos.
some interpreted the star of Chiun as Lucifer which is popularly, but erroneously, believed to have stood for the planet Venus.
But correctly stated, Chiun was the Assyrian name for Saturn, the same as the Syriac Kewan (and the very Hebrew Khevan).
also isnt it interesting that the Israelites were running about the desert with the image of the Saturnian star in their tabernacle?

the capture event was ca. 7000 years ago.
and when it comes to estimating the duration of the polar configuration, the best that can be done is to look at the relative velocities of nearby stars.
If we take, for the sake of argument, that the relative radial velocity between proto Saturn and the Sun averaged 10 kilometers per second, it would have taken proto Saturn about 45 years to cover the 15 billion kilometers to the inner Solar System.
this 45 year period is merely an order of magnitude calculation tho, itcould have taken much longer, but I don't think it likely to have been much shorter.

You have to remember that astronomy was a middle eastern science

not at all. did you know that even Galileo, with his pioneering telescope, was not able to see Saturn as a ringed orb?
In fact, the image of Saturn that he was capable of resolving through his optical instrument was so vague that he mistook the planet for three separate bodies.
meanwhile the Dogon of Mali (niggers in what had once been the French Sudan, in Africa pic related) somehow knew that Saturn had Rings.
also surprisingly these niggers have extremely detailed astronomical knowledge that couldnt been explained (for example they possess four different kinds of calendar: a solar calendar, a lunar calendar, a Venus calendar, and, remarkably, one based on the star known to us as Sirius).
also one of their most important religious symbols is the "squatter man".
They incorporated it both in one of their principal ceremonial masks, as also on their constructions.
The image itself is claimed to represent their god Amma, the creator who had existed during the "original darkness , who had created the heavens, and organized the "world" out of chaos.
you should have no difficulty in recognizing these characteristics as belonging to the Saturnian deity.
Like other nations they, too, retained a memory of the world axis that once reached from Earth and pointed toward what is now the Pole Star.
This axis was known to them as Amma's Pillar.

had no idea what Saturn even was

of course they knew what it was and the ancients had no need to deify the planets because, to them, the planets had always been deities.
They were, to be sure, the only deities they knew.
In other words, planets/Stars were gods; gods were planets/stars: planets/stars and gods were one and the same.

The civilization of Uruk traces to that of Sumer.
And it is precisely here that the truth can be run to ground for the language of Sumer is the oldest written language that we have.
And in that language, very much as in that of the Egyptians (to the ancient Egyptians, the synonymy of gods and planets was so complete that, in some instances, the same word was employed to signify either. Thus sba, among other things, meant "star," but Sba was also the name of a "star" god. The word netru meant "stars," but it also meant "gods."),
so in Uruk the word and/or cuneiform sign for "god" and "star" was one and the same - * - a symbol derived from the pictograph which preceded cuneiform writing is the very picture of a star.
This not only proves that stars and gods were thought of as being truly synonymous as far back as written records reach, it also indicates that the very concept of God has its origin in a star.

Because now the archons have moved on to dressing up as "aliens from space"

They didn't have anime back in them days, had to entertain themselves somehow.

did you get to see these guys, anon?

It was just people trying to figure out how the world works.
We are social animals, so we evolved to perceive things in terms of social dynamics.
Therefore, when we encounter an unknown phenomenon we assign it a personality with intentions in an attempt to determine if it is a direct threat or not.
The ancient pantheon of gods simply the result of attempting to anthropomorphize natural phenomenon.
Monotheism is the result of attempting to reconcile the logical questions produced by these religions and their deeper philosophical implications.
If polytheism is the anthropomorphisation of natural phenomenon like the weather, then monotheism is the anthropormiphisation of the universe itself and your personal relationship with "god" is really just your understanding of the role you play in the world at large.

These ancient traditions also served as a proxy to science before the scientific method was rigidly defined.
A lot of practical information used to be determined through "rituals" like reading star positions to determine when crops should be planted.
Over time the rituals that yielded useful results became emphasized while the others faded.
This eventually became the modern scientific method.

because it is fundamentally true , you guys just look at it from the wrong perspective because you don't even know what gods are or what God is .

you'll get there if you try tho, but you need to start the journey