But what about national capitalism?

No, you are trying to subvert national socialism with a Jewish subservience to banks, Blackrock, and dogmatic adherence to fatalistic moral nihilism that lead to the current hellish reality we live in.

The Soviets weren't actually dogmatic. In fact, Stalin criticized dogmatism - which is why the Soviets abandoned internationalism, Marx's conception of communism to their own version of socialism that kept profitable enterprises while maintaining closed borders. Your argument doesn't make any sense because capitalism and closed borders aren't mutually exclusive. You just have to realistically accept lower living standards like North Korea. Also, Nazism is dogmatic which is why Hitler failed.

Capitalism empowers the merchant class. You might be able to align public and merchant interest for a short time, but eventually money will buy out all political power.

you are trying to subvert national socialism

No I am not, I am claiming national socialism is a failure because it uses a retarded economic system
It also ALREADY failed to stop anything, only achieving in the death of europeans, so you might call it a day and give my system a try. Since you know, your system is provably a complete and utter failure.

BUT ROTHBARD WAS A JEW

Yes, I know, look at the OP pic, do you think the meme was done without knowing that?

subservience to banks, Blackrock

HMMMMM CENTRAL BANKS FINANCING CORPORATION WITH STATE TIES? I WONDER WHAT IDEOLOGY WANTS TO FIX THAT PROBLEM AND CLAIMS THEY ARE A CANCER....

The soviets failed because they were the inheritors of imperial russia, a agrarian economy and a bunch of completely backwater republics and were pitted against the collective west which inherited the strongest industrial economies for the previous 200 years.

Yes, I know, look at the OP pic, do you think the meme was done without knowing that?

So why are you promoting a pedophile Jew?

Peter Thiel's technocapital monarchist city-states are what you're describing. I also support this.

What "state" would stop them? The one controlled by politicians that are funded by companies who want foreign workers? Lolberts have a really hard time understanding what the state is.

Landian Accelerationism is what you're describing without needlessly exposing and isolating yourself as an antisocial autistic retard.

Because he was right abotu 90% of things
Also he isn't discussing sexuality in that out of context quote (what he is saying is STILL controversial but is not about pedophilia, it's about parental rights)

national capitalism

What about it?

Capitalism empowers the merchant class.

Every class should be empowered.

Everyone except for merchants. Scum of the earth.

Yay, we can simultaneously import and not import jeets to raise the Gee-Dee-Pee.

i don't care desu as long as there aren't jews or other shitskins

but what if the ruling class doesn't do the interests of the people

Name ONE ideology that solves this issue that isn't anarchism
The best way to prevent corrupt politicians from ruining everything is giving them the least power possible
If an unchangeable constitution says "no niggers allowed" and the elected official can only choose the budget to massacre them with, even if corrupt, he can't let the nigs in.

The more power you give to the government, the more powerful lobbying the government becomes, do you understand this?

I am claiming national socialism is a failure because it uses a retarded economic system

And you’re wrong, it wasn’t a failure, as evidence by judeo-capitalist Americas main competitor having a national socialist economic system.

It also ALREADY failed to stop anything, only achieving in the death of europeans

It specifically was trying to prevent that actually, I’m not going to be gaslit by a simpleton promoting judeo-capitalism about how adopting Jewish social engineering on the economy and society is a good thing.

I WONDER WHAT IDEOLOGY WANTS TO FIX THAT PROBLEM AND CLAIMS THEY ARE A CANCER....

not a single judeo-capitalist is against open borders so we know you are full of shit. It’s that simple

The fix to this problem is complete responsibility. You don't have elections, you have an overt aristocracy that lays claim to their power and priveldge so that they can be kept in check.

Without a powerful political class you just get merchant rule through corporations which will ALWAYS been aligned against the majority.

Hitler was an idiot. His fierce racial dogmatism, asinine fears of "communism" led him to invade the Soviet Union when they could have helped him. Hitler could not keep his charade for long, and had to invade other countries to keep his economy a float with slave labor and resources.
Nazism is never happening in the U.S. either, unless you're delusional to believe Kayne West and Nick Fuentes are going to save you.
Also, your understanding of the Soviet Union's collapse is totally incorrect. It was largely a political failure, not an economic one. Gorbachev allowed the USSR to collapse out of his sheer humanism. Instead of using Soviet troops to crush the rebelling satellite states, as his predecessors did, he made them withdraw. In fact, it was nationalism that destroyed the USSR, and why Putin, a former communist himself, is so adamant about crushing in his own country and outside of it.
Also, your defense of unions are odd. One of the first things Lenin did was crush the union movement, within the USSR, (so did Hitler), because ultimately unions are rent seekers that favor unproductive labor. A unionized economy is not a productive one.

Because he was right about 90% of things

He wasn’t. He was a twisted pedophile like every single Jew winging about problems his people created in the first place

The USSR would have invaded Germany. Striking first was the right move.

If an unchangeable constitution says

Why is it unchangeable? What happens if they change it? Can you actually think in terms of how the real world works where people will blackmail, bribe, kill and steal from each other? There are no utopian solutions.

as evidence by judeo-capitalist Americas main competitor having a national socialist economic system

china is your example of success unironically

Oh no.... this is just sad....

It specifically was trying to prevent that actually

It failed
I guess you want to repeat failure until the end of time like commies

not a single judeo-capitalist is against open borders so we know you are full of shit. It’s that simple

What goalpost change is that? I was talking about central banks and blackrock there, which all libertarians are against since central banks are cringe.

i was talking about central banks and blackrock there, which all libertarians are against since central banks are cringe.

Every single libertarian is an open borders shitlib cuck-a-duck or they are delusional and fooling themselves because they can’t accept their idealogy is funded by think tanks like CATO who have the exact same goal as Blackrock

you have an overt aristocracy that lays claim to their power and priveldge so that they can be kept in check

What you are describing is what most ancaps would prefer to democracy, namely hoppe who is someone who argues in favor of monarchy to achieve capitalism.
That said, it won't prevent bad things from happening, it's merely marginally better than democracy.

There are no utopian solutions

That is precisely my point
Your argument "but what if politicians bad" is worthless
Yes, what if politicians bad? I guess we should have no system at all then.

No merchant class means no business, no commerce, no economy. All business owners of any kind are part of the merchant class. You basically want to live in a communist village.

Notice how you named central banks as an issue, and now keep dodging the subject when proven a complete retard
I accept your concession.

Every single libertarian is an open borders

Not everyone, which is why I am proposing an alternative.
It's not classical libertarianism, because it's inherently racist and allows the state to exist specifically to be racist.

china is your example of success unironically

China makes shitlibs like you seethe because it shows that we don’t have to be slaves to the woke “free markets”. We don’t need to bow down to Jewish bankers and accept that woke capitalists are simply unrtouchable and above the law. It terrifies you because it proves that you are mortal and can be killed for being subversive, all it takes is willpower.

I'm just saying that there's no point in calling yourself "national" anything and pretending that you can roll back time to the 1800's. The future has already been decided, it will be an even more non-sensical version of the present.

You have absolutely no idea about the state of china and it's really funny you expose yourself as a complete retard

Did you know that they separate their debt into national, local and state company, so they can claim to have 100% debt over GDP when the real number is 300%?
Did you know they have ghost towns that keep getting built because if not their entire construction market (20 fucking percent of their economy) vanishes overnight? Stuff that would make 2008 blush

Did you know that outside of the main city centers on the coast it's a complete and utter shithole? But you've been fed propaganda videos about le fast trains and drones and slurped it down because you have no critical thinking

They are still behind the west in EVERY metric, they still have to copy western inventions for their businesses, their economic model is simply inferior.

Not everyone, which is why I am proposing an alternative.

Your “alternative” is the contradictory ideology of fools who can’t accept that their ideals have been tried and failed for the last 40 years. Notice how no “based capitalist” are anti-central bank? Why is that? Because they understand it benefits them to get government funny money at citizens expense. Your “solutions” are simply to turn off the faucet after they’ve already gotten everything they wanted. “Sure, Wall Street and the financial sector has been allowed to socially engineer American society and fund disasterous social experiments, but don’t you socialists fucking DARE suggest they be punished for that, or their wealth take away so they can’t continue to subvert your children into being trans.” It’s naive at best and openly subversive at worst.

That's just two words with very ample meanings so I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If you mean countries applying capitalism while protecting their national interests, we had that for most of the mercantilist (mercantilism) and industrial (protectionism) eras. It has been the guiding hand of the state and private contractors that have industrialized all of the developed countries. Even now, American domination over the tech world can't be explained without an admixture of state laws and regulations and corporations.

Yeah, basically what he's saying is buy Muskbucks or Thielbucks instead of da evil FED fiat. Such an improvement!

Notice how no “based capitalist” are anti-central bank?

Are you actually retarded?
Every single libertarian ever is against central banks

but the big corpo-

YES, THAT'S THE POINT
LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT ABOUT BEING PRO BIG CORPORATIONS
CORPORATIONS BENEFIT FROM A BIG STATE THAT PROTECTS THEM

their ideals have been tried and failed for the last 40 years

I'm sorry, but where has what I am proposing been tried exactly? Where has been minarchism been applied in the west? You are just making shit up, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about, you absolute buffoon.

instead of a central bank that can decide the flow of money and thus control the whole economy pushing any kind of disgusting shit we would have competing currencies that can be changed if they stop serving the people's interests

This is bad because?

Not a single capitalist opposes open borders

I'm ideologically mostly capitalist and oppose open borders. Legality of immigration and travel isn't required for a free market.

YES, THAT'S THE POINT

LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT ABOUT BEING PRO BIG CORPORATIONS
CORPORATIONS BENEFIT FROM A BIG STATE THAT PROTECTS THEM
And despite your seething, we know that’s simply not true due to how libertarian has manifested in the west, that being as a nihilistic, pro-outsourcing, GDP absolutist religion which worships Mammonism and at best is willing to protect people’s rights own firearms and smoke weed.

We tried your ideas of

extreme financialization of the economy

private equity buyouts

market globalization

no tariffs, protectionism bad

legal drugs bro :)

decreased legal liability for companies (Covid Vaccines)

And it failed. You failed. And you chastise Americans for not being “radical enough” in their adherence to dogmatic libertarian religion.

I'm ideologically a billionaire but physically a nameless worker simping for real billionaires

Imagine the irony of believing you are actually a capitalist while all the capitalist role models you could ever have aggressively use the state to reinforce they're wealth.

You're not a capitalist. You are just a consumer waiting for marching orders from the wealthy elites. How very sad.

Yes goy, don’t copy China and execute corrupt politicians and billionaire subversives! They are going to collapse any day now!

Weeks: 2 more

market globalization

You mentioned china before, china literally stopped being a country of starving people when it started embracing global markets
It literally has free trade zones to allow for globalist companies to operate there
You don't even know about the systems you defend. Pathetic

no tariffs, protectionism bad

Yes, and it's correct
And it's been proven again and again, in different countries, in different centuries, to be correct and you will smash your face AGAIN against this retarded wall.

decreased legal liability for companies (Covid Vaccines)

Ah yes, the famous libertarian pharmaceutical industry, that is not financed by central banks, does not have state protected patents etc.
Truly, a glaring example of what I'm proposing put into practice.

You don't know what libertarianism is, you don't know how china works, you don't know how the current system works, you don't really know much about the shit you are talking about.
You are so out of your depth this discussion has become pointless, go live in fucking China I guess, enjoy.

They are going to collapse any day now!

I didn't say that
I'm just noting the paradise you think exists does not, in fact, exist.

while all the capitalist role models

You have no ideas of your own, you can only think in "role models" to follow
How very sad.

Forgot to quote In the second part

You mentioned china before, china literally stopped being a country of starving people when it started embracing global market

Yes, at the Wests expense you fucking retard. They set up state run sovereign wealth funds to manage all that money that was flowing while maintaining a de facto planned economic system. And it will keep that money, because unlike in America for the past 3 decades, it has higher ideals than just “GDP growth good” and isn’t going to let traitorous bourgeoisie globalists deindustrialize their economy. It’s ironic that you seethe and cry claiming someone doesn’t understand China when you can’t see how that’s obviously different from the current dogmatic economic order in the U.S. (though Trump is beginning to change this).

Yes, and it's correct

I’m sure that’s great comfort to all the millions of white middle Americans who lost their jobs because Jeets are cheaper lol.

Ah yes, the famous libertarian pharmaceutical industry, that is not financed by central banks, does not have state protected patents etc.

You don’t care about any of those things. Libertarians have spent more effort writing articles about why Americans paying 5000$ for an ambulance ride is a good thing than they ever have fighting against patent law. You’re like Western progressives: you say one thing but your actions reveal what you really care about

I have no argument so I'm just going to deflect

If you can't even acknowledge how capitalists have used the state to their advantage, I can't help you. America, for example, has a long history of invading foreign countries, cutting regulations, cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting spending on social programs, to reinforce the wealth of the capitalists.

I'm sure you just discovered libertarianism yesterday and are very excited about it. I'm glad to see you've found something you believe in, but that's just not how it works in reality.

See how the last 40-50 years of neoliberalism has certainly made big number go up, but economic disparity is increasing. Housing costs, transportation costs, healthcare costs, childcare costs, etc., have all become increasingly difficult to afford. These are all issues we were promised would be fixed by the free market.

In truth, free markets and competition only work so long as capital is able to freely move between different social classes. That is not what happens in a free market. As the market matures, wealth transfers upward. We've seen this play out over and over again.

ancap

state exists

Show flag Moishe

All the big German industrialists and capitalists survived and ill this day. Krupp, kraut maffei etc. hitler didn’t have national socialism but national capitalism. Stalin had more national socialism that Hitler

Capitalist only to retarded left communists, who unironically think social democracy=ancapism.

be industrial power with good standard of living

capitalists move factories to 3rd world countries

oy vey the Chinese and Indians are so much more productive per dollar spent

lobby for local conditions to be as India and China

Have you tried global fascism?

You could easily argue that was because he couldn't dismantle all of them due to the war. Mixed economy is the king, though people who get their clitties dripping at hearing the word "socialism" and gay-reactionary opposing it make me exceptionally sick in the stomach.

First of all that headline is fake
Blackrock sued UnitedHealth for giving them fake financial data, like, actual fraud.
"too much care" was invented by whoever wrote that article knowing it would grab the attention of lobotomites like you.

Yes, at the Wests expense you fucking retard

China first power in the world in just two weeks now!

I’m sure that’s great comfort to all the millions of white middle Americans who lost their jobs because Jeets are cheaper lol

Oh if you are right I am sure in a couple of years these MILLIONS of people (you must know them personally because I don't) will all have found new FANTASTIC jobs in *checks note* the shoe factory! I am sure they will be relieved and their living standards actually improved!
But what happens if their living standards won't improve even then? Let me take a WILD guess. You will blame capitalism, libertarianism and whatnot and double down on your retardation
What you are proposing HAS BEEN TRIED and failed EVERY TIME

The EU has ENORMOUS tariffs. Where are the high paying factory jobs in europe? Are european living standards rising? Oh well, who cares.... as long as it "owns the libs"

Libertarians have spent more effort writing articles about why Americans paying 5000$ for an ambulance ride is a good thing than they ever have fighting against patent law

I don't care about the mongrels who label themselves the "libertarian party" in america. Actual libertarians are against IPs, copyright and patents, me included (even though I am not even a libertarian since again, I am pro closed borders which makes me a natcap)

your actions

My actions? Nigger who the fuck knows you
My actions are shitposting on Anon Babble. You don't see me talking about national socialism as "your actions"

t. Friedman

It seems that that could really be a distinction without a difference to National Socialism. I think National Socialist leadership could determine how much of a free market vs. how much regulation is required for the optimum benefit of the people. At the end of the day it would still be National Socialism because whatever amount of economic freedom there is would still be allowed by the state to protect the people from exploitation. So unless you literally just mean a completely free market but with whites only I don't think that would work. White capitalists would still eventually sell their people out to kikes as is what happened in the American Republic

If you can't even acknowledge how capitalists have used the state to their advantage

I LITERALLY do that here You fucking mongrel, subhuman, low iq degenerate.
This is the last reply you get, this outright lying is so bad faith any more time talking with you is completely wasted
You are not even reading my points, just repeating your retarded, easily disproven mantra.

Oh and something more of note. The allies bombers at the end of ww2 did not bomb the German capitalist areas of housing. They bombed the poor. Have relatives in Germany that live in rich suburb, all of Essen was bombed except this. Makes one think

Aristotle on capital-ism

Even Friedman said that things such as energy water and land phone should be state or state-supervised monopolies. Modern “capitalism” is too big to fail inc

Perhaps it's hard to read you in-between your childish outbursts, but I don't really see any specific retort to my comment in that post.

I think you need to step away and take a deep breath. Your rage will take years off your life if you let it.

Also, I think you might be having trouble keeping track of who you're talking to. Each user has a unique, color-coded ID to differentiate different anons. Perhaps reread the thread to get it straight.

CORPORATIONS BENEFIT FROM A BIG STATE THAT PROTECTS THEM

"I don't really see any retort to my comment"

Not just economically illiterate, but completely illiterate
Such is the absolute state of american (public) education.
Sad!

Capitalism is a cancer
Money must be allowed to have political influence

Makes perfect sense when you consider that all wars waged by democracies are simply wars to expand capitalism and open up new markets. It's not good business to bomb future business partners.

We need National Libertarianism.

I'll take your entitlements from the Government Pension Fund then since you won't be needing them.

>Not a single capitalist opposes open borders

Legality of immigration and travel isn't required for a free market.

Free market doesn't exist. Capitalist monopolies exist.
USA has anti-monopoly / anti-trust laws for 120 years, to prevent monopolies and trusts from appearing

they still appear as laws don't work or there are duopolies - 2 monopolies etc.

and they can hide the same monopoly ownership via stocks and pension funds

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

Mask completely off, the thief reveals his true nature: to suck off other people's tax money
The USA sanctions monopolies, what do you think patents are for big pharma?

Libertarianism

Impossible when we have late stage Financial capitalism ,
and Bankers, Oligarchs and large corporate monopolies own everything.
We need to end Capitalism with its monopoly money that it generates endlessly.
That's the only way we may have some liberties for the people .

shalom

The USA sanctions monopolies, what do you think patents are for big pharma?

Yep.

I do agree with Rothbard and all the free market economics, and I've read a lot about Austrian economics, but any ideology that doesn't address race reality is incomplete.

You can't have a clean, functional, prosperous society built on the backs of sub 80 IQ streetshitters, niggers and other kinds of swarthoids. It's simply impossible.
Only Whites have the capability to build an advanced civilization, and only when in homogenous communities. No political system can make up for the lack of this.
Even the worst political system, literal communism, could work somewhat if it were imposed on an all-White society, and the people at the top were Whites as well.
But even the best political system won't be able to make up for shitskin low IQs.

Even Chinkoids and Jeets, whenever they've built their poor excuses of civilization, it's filthy and inhuman and rife with corruption.
The people inhabiting these lands today clearly aren't the ones that inhabited it in ancient times.

fpbp

You sound like a commie.

We need to end Capitalism with its monopoly money that it generates endlessly.

Okay Pol Pot

As the market matures, wealth transfers upward.

We've seen this play out over and over again.

Correct, wealth concentrates.
And the younger generations are blocked from achieving any possible wealth success.
As capitalists have enough children and grand children.
This basically means that 1% concentrates all wealth and then everything stagnates, while there really any upwards pass

as they usually claim and lie.

Basically , as you run capitalist money printing ponzi scheme over and over, all the money concentrates at the top.

This thing of mixing two different ideologies has always been retarded. There's no national-anything, it's either one or the other.
Push comes to shove, would you choose the nationalist or the capitalist option? Do you value private ownership of capital and the free market more or less than you do national identity and patriotic duty?
All -isms are opposed to eachother. National capitalism is as retarded as capitalist socialist.
Pick a side.

He sounds like a Trot honestly.
Not even Stalin was stupid enough to end "capitalism" because its a global financial system.

Nah FED bank commies print all the money for the rich elites.
While they are bankrupting the Middle class and small businesses.

As they run this Ponzi a few times, they (the bankers and 1%) concentrate all the money in the world.

That's the result of democracy allowing people to vote for debt increases. Societies will always have an elite because of hierarchy is necessary for the operation of society.

As they run this Ponzi a few times, they (the bankers and 1%) concentrate all the money in the world.

and a few random guys who were not supposed to get rich,

like a few random crypto millionaires

Got killed.

go browse for some news of random crypto millionaires killed

hierarchy is necessary for the operation of society

Not really. Certainly not the extent we have now. We do not need 12-digit billionaires to have a functioning society.
You said you were done replying. The ad hominem isn't working, friendo.

No such thing as democracy. Doesn't exist.
Current society has elites because they run the FED money printing that generates 10% Hidden Inflation.
10% Inflation for 25 years, pic related.

That type of inflation bankrupts everybody, all middle class, all small businesses.

Got news for you. It is not a feature of magic "democracy"(tm).
It is a feature of FED bank and unlimited , unchecked PRIVATE MONEY PRINTING by the bankers.

I went thru a Ron Paul stage. The Libertarian to Fascist pipeline is real. I understand this thread was made to discourage that evolution for younger readers.
lolbertarianism will never prevail because it promotes radical individualism in an arena of collective action.

the FED money printing that generates Hidden Inflation.

10% Inflation for 25 years, pic related.

That type of inflation bankrupts everybody, all middle class, all small businesses.

It is a feature of FED bank and unlimited , unchecked PRIVATE MONEY PRINTING by the bankers.

Got news here.
1. This is not CAPITALISM .
2. You don't have the best companies who win, only those who are close to the money printing
3. You have the largest profit margins companies who win (who produce chinese crap and not the best product)

AND , Most importantly.

WHEN YOU CANNOT RUN AN ECONOMY WITHOUT Unlimited Money Printing.
That is a Definition of a Ponzi Scheme.

Not really. Certainly not the extent we have now. We do not need 12-digit billionaires to have a functioning society.

This is certainly wrong as no society has ever not had a wealthy, ruling elite.
Democracy does exist though. In the U.S, a majority of voters decide who controls the public purse. In fact, all the problems you're talking about correlate with the spread of democracy. The US had none of the problems you're complaining about when blacks and women could not vote. You're mentally ill and not living in reality.

You mean feudalism.

I prefer when the state has the power to do other things like regulate businesses I hate (porn, prostitution, child trafficking, etc) out of existence, send criminals to prison, and enforce trade barriers to help domestic businesses. Capitalism subverts the foundations of a functional society with its internationalism. If anarcho-capitaliats had their way, even child prostitution would be legal

Democracy doesn't WORK.
US soon will have over 50% of the lowest iq nigger and brown population.
Some of it is lowest iq in the world.
You cannot have lowest iq niggers vote in a country, it is JUST DUMB.

Name one country in Africa (all run by low iq niggers) that is not a 3rd world hell. Name ONE.
You cannot have idiots to do voting , because idiots do moronic things and will destroy your economy.

and they will vote for all free shit for themselves

as soon as they can

You can't find a society, on planet Earth, that allows democracy, and that doesn't have problems with declining birth rates, immigration, or even the "capitalism" you're complaining about.
Its a fundamental law of human society that democracy tilts towards the short term, impulsive thinking that enables the decision making that makes all the problems you're complaining about possible.
The fed prints money largely pay for a welfare state for people who don't work - someone you most likely are.

Democracy DOESN'T work.
Low iq Niggers, browns and women vote for free shit for themselves, and then more and more free shit for themselves.
And then economy collapses.

The only reason USA is still USA is because it is the REPUBLIC, and not democracy.
Idiots are limited in power in some ways.

Status quo bias is a heavy thing. We don't need 'lords and peasants situation' with people who have almost half a trillion dollars in wealth. Social policy is not binary and we can still have a hierarchical system without the growing wealth disparity we are currently experiencing.

I am in favor of a free market economy, but not open borders and anything with gay shit like "anarcho" in it.

FPBP, capitalists and their political class have to go. No exceptions.