If you consume animal products you are evil

There's nothing retarded about it.
Why do you think that plants feel pain and suffering? Which plants? What are you basing that on?

A lot of animals eat other animals. Does that make them evil too?

No. They simply do not know better. A person who does not possess the faculties needed to exercise moral judgement cannot be deemed evil/immoral. Simple stuff.
In the OP I assumed the reader also possesses the mental faculties enabling them to make moral judgements.
Proportion of suffering.

100% necessary

Bullshit. Everyone in the modern day can live a long and healthy life without eating animal products.
Troll post.

This thread is a troll thread.

if you don’t torture dogs for entertainment you are evil

You have allowed your emotions to override rationality anon. Nobody rational is going to agree with you. The only people who buy into this kind of nonsense are other emotionally underdeveloped children. Its why most kids go through a vegetarian phase but grow out of it as they grow up

Wrong. Veganism is a serious position and Peter Singer is a serious philosopher. Nothing about my posts indicates that I'm joking or trolling.

Nobody rational is going to agree with you

Wrong. All vegans are rational when it comes to this issue in particular. For example, Peter Singer.

The only people who buy into this kind of nonsense are other emotionally underdeveloped children

Demonstrably false. For a counterexample, again, see Peter Singer, who is demonstrably not a child.

most kids go through a vegetarian phase

I don't think that's true. Do you have evidence for this claim?

you can't avoid eating animal products without man-made supplements
you are evolved to be an omnivore from hunter-gatherers.

even "good" vegans struggle to meet all of their needs I know a few and can attest to this

I’ve been vegan for 18 years. Can’t complain. Peter Singer is not vegan though. He just rationalizes it.

i hope you saved those photos only as a sick joke, anon

you can't avoid eating animal products without man-made supplements

So? Most food you eat is man made. Eat the supplements.

you are evolved to be an omnivore from hunter-gatherers.

So what?

even "good" vegans struggle to meet all of their needs I know a few and can attest to this

What needs in particular can't they meet?

Veganism is retarded. Humans are meant to eat meat. Our biology confirms this.

If you want a serious reply, I'll give you one:

Eating meat is not immoral

Using animal flesh for practical purposes is not evil (leather for clothing, shoes, chairs, etc.)

Killing animals for sport is evil

Killing animals for no reason is evil

Animals are not rational beings. They lack an immortal soul that humans have. God gave us dominion over the plants and animals and permission to eat them. So we do. It's not evil to consume animals.

Inb4 hurr durr religion stupid

My morality comes from God. It's absolute and unchanging. It's not based on the whims and folly of society's fickle desires.

iron, protein, all manners of vitamins. the questions is what are you not missing?

but yeah you're right. you CAN survive as a vegan. but it's objectively unnatural and unhealthy unless you take extreme steps.

Livestock are the most successful mammals on the planet. This is the exact opposite of genocide. Also, they have a far better deaths that wild creatures, who are often eaten alive.

adding herbs to this thread

Shock value. Nothing more. But I thought it tangentially relevant to the topic. Animals eat each other. We're no different.

Have a comfy one instead.

Veganism is retarded. Humans are meant to eat meat. Our biology confirms this.

Humans can live long and healthy lives without meat.

>Eating meat is not immoral

I agree, it isn't necessarily immoral. But buying meat from a supermarket is immoral.

Using animal flesh for practical purposes is not evil (leather for clothing, shoes, chairs, etc.)

In most ordinary cases it is evil.

Animals are not rational beings

Pain and suffering is not a rational thought. You do not need to be a rational being to experience these things and to deserve moral consideration. Animal are just as capable of experiencing pain and suffering as humans.

They lack an immortal soul that humans have.

Doesn't exist.

God gave us dominion over the plants and animals and permission to eat them

Doesn't exist.

My morality comes from God

God doesn't exist.

It's absolute and unchanging

Your morality is fake. You do not have a morality.

It's not based on the whims and folly of society's fickle desires.

It's based on the whims and folly of goat herders 2000 years ago.

Exactly. I sympathize with vegans in the sense that humane treatment of animals should be much higher prioritized globally.
Reducing suffering not going against your nature.

Nonsense. Almost no vegans are rational. Just like you, it becomes an identity to them. Thats not rational behavior. Its the very definition of brainwashed
Peter Singer is a man child with the kind of crazy philosophical takes that teenagers come out with. He also genuinely believes that not all humans are people. The reason that there is so much controversy around his ideas is that they are mostly nonsense
Roughly 40% of kids teens and pre teens go through a vegetarian phase. Just over 20% go through a vegan phase. EU figures. Those figures drop to 4% and 2% for vegans by age 25
statista.com/topics/7297/veganism-in-the-united-kingdom/#topicOverview
statista.com/forecasts/1261046/adults-following-vegan-diet-in-uk-age-group

You are just naive and misguided anon. I hope you gain the self awareness to grow out of it as most people do

controversy around his ideas is that they are mostly nonsense

Which of his ideas is nonsense to you? From what I've seen his ideas are coherent and make sense.

you can't genocide animals you stupid fuck
genocide applies to human tribes/races/groups, etc., you know, the "geno" part of genocide.

We can already see you are the kind of naive kid that buys into that nonsense

Whatever. By genocide I really meant a mass slaughter and torture of a particular group.
The scale is really incomparable.

Do you justify your callous and cruel attitude towards animals by religion or something else?

Im 6'1 and underweight and poor. I drink half a gallon of milk a day. What vegan sources do you suggest I consume instead to get the same amount of calories, protein, and vitamins and minerals? Without increasing my costs

It’s irrational to claim ‘almost’ no vegans are rational, though. Most vegans, like people who successfully grow their hair back with pharmaceuticals, don’t walk around telling people about it. They’re content to live their lives in productive ways. Veganism is a principled way of life. It’s a privilege to be able to attain all your nutritional needs without eating animals. If it were not possible, I would not be able to see it as a privilege because I’d still view eating meat as a necessity, no matter my dislike for it.

Im not religious, neither am I callous or cruel towards animals. This is part of your problem, all of your arguments are built upon false preconceptions

I love my dog and my daughters cat. I eat beef, chicken, duck, pork and lamb. They are not mutually exclusive despite the logical fallacy you are currently enveloped in. I eat animals that have been bred to be livestock. They wouldnt exist unless we ate meat. None of them are wild animals and none of those breeds would even exist without them being bred for food. I dont support treating livestock badly. I wont buy battery eggs or factory chickens. I only buy free grazed meats

Yet again you have show that your arguments are built upon emotion and false premises. You need to be more rational if you want people to take you seriously

There is absolutely nothing inhumane about stun gun slaughter. The animal doesn't know what a stun gun is and the animal doesn't know its going to die. Animal farmers help the population get fed and its good they exist. It's mudslimes and religious kikes who are the bad ones. There are suicidal humans who wish they could be treated in such a way. The animals are claustrophobic and bored but that could be sorted in the future, I would argue prisoners have it worse.

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If the predator animals lost their animal prey, they'd start preying on humans.
You're advocating for giving animals an allowance they wouldn't make for you, if the roles were reversed,

You cant win an argument when you dont understand the issues and are repeatedly dishonest with yourself. There is a reason that only 2% of western population shares your viewpoint and it isnt that the 2% is super special and intelligent and has a better grasp of the issue. Its because you are emotionally driven fucktards

A person who does not possess the faculties needed to exercise moral judgement cannot be deemed evil/immoral.

They can't be held criminally liable, but they can still get locked up in a mental hospital.
And those people do get deemed evil, by society.

stupid nigger.
at least you marked yourself out with a picture of a jew.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Early_life_and_education

I'm about to eat a nice big plate of smoked brisket point just for you, OP.

Not wrong. It's ridiculous to whine all day about all kinds of bad things you can't influence but then also actively cause bad things for no real reason.

We should put every single vegan into a camp and force them to eat meat, fucking fags.

The roots of plants also consume dead animals.

Enjoy!

Animals should be given more rights than niggers and shitskins.

innocent animals

Speaking of innocent animals only makes sense if animals could be guilty. If you understand that this is not possible you also understand that they can't be innocent.