War with Russia in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years after war in Ukraine

care to explain the rationale behind the logic here
russia provokes war with all of europe, because...?

Russia makes up to 7x as much ammunition as NATO countries combined and 3x as much artillery. They've lost a lot of their old hardware and their tactics are wasteful of personnel but combined with the weaponry they get from China/Iran etc. they're not in a bad position for materiel medium term and the EU cucking out from any real retaliation has just given them more land with conscripts and resources
Russia is fine with replacing their own people, they're not less kiked, they just weaponize authoritarianism and national pride more effectively

Because Poland's next is non-negotiable.

Why the fuck would Russia attack all of Europe t once?
They wouldn't, they'll deal with urine and then settle down.
If anyone is gonna be the provoker to look for a global war, it's NATO

Georgia was trying to cause WW3!

Kill yourself Mehmet

Thread soundtrack:
youtube.com/watch?v=2ObjtVdsV3I

Because leadership of Russia is part KGB sociopaths and part Leningrad criminals (with Putin being both). Their goal is to maintain their power, with no moral obligations towards people of Russia. Turning Russia into NK-style totalitarian state is right now the only option for them to do it. War with everyone is most obvious way for people to accept it and to remain supportive towards their corrupted, cleptocratic government, which is necessary for long term control.

Russia is fine with replacing their own people, they're not less kiked, they just weaponize authoritarianism and national pride more effectively

I don't care. I just look down on Euros

I give it two (2) weeks

buy a house in Spain

Buying a house in Spain... Now, that's what I call optimism

Sure but what if the ruskies do a sneak attack? I know they won't because they're faggot cowards confirmed, but you never know.

I don't have an argument, I'm just subverted into supporting killing my own race by third world chinks and kikes

Buying a house in Spain... Now, that's what I call optimism

Don't you people have like entire villages empty? There was entire thread about it.

2 more weeks

Their war plans line up with august 2026, they ain’t making moves on the Baltics before then and there could even be delays due to the necessity of rebuilding the army.

Russia is "protecting and defending" ethnic russians in ukraine. The group in ukraine that wanted ukraine to be apart of russia again. Are there large ethnic russian populations in any of those countries?

What does Russia have to gain from attacking?

NATO is considering 3 scenarios of incoming war with Russia: milk taxpayers very hard, hard or moderate

Does it really worth a discussion?

EU has 4x the population of Russia, and Russia still can't manage Ukraine.
The fear is about limited border conflict anf fear mongering so the EU buys more US weaponry, they are not concerned with losing to Russia, but with not winning so hard that it devastates the baltics in the process.

NAFO lunatic kikemutts still pushing their white replacement strategy

Get a fucking life nigger

Nonsense. The Russian Igor Girkin (currently in Russian prison for discrediting the army, but well known and liked by Russians even now) mentioned in his notes on telegram that they manufactured the conflict in both Crimea and the Donbass with his FSB buddies. The entire seperatist movement was manufactured astroturf, funded by Russian weapons.

You forgot that EU has little to none military industry now. It has to recreate it and that would take several years even if they succeed in persuading the population that it's necessary.

I highly doubt that EU will be capable of waging war without US help in 5-7 years at least.

You won't take refuge in spain poolak, this shit is going to rapidly spill over into western yurope, and rightfully so.

As for GAYTO, I aint taking up arms for the interest of these western bitches or their rag-tag ponzi scheme.

Russia starts war because of reasons

Ask yourself why noone takes you seriously

Defending "ethnic russians" is completely false.

First, Russia itself is multi-ethnic country, which itself destroys argument of country's purpose being protecting some ethnicity.

Second, there were basically no Russians in Chechnya when Russia invade it to restore it's power over the region in 1990s.

For all we know, Russia could as well use argument of 250k Russians in Germany as a pretext for taking control over half of Europe. It doesn't matter, nobody's buying it, Russia do what it wants anyway.

Lmao. Girkin is a larper (no, seriously) with delusions of grandeur who became famous for his failed forecasts on Syria long before SMO. You're actually referring to a schizo, lol.

Yeah. Russia is both weak and incompetent that lost nearly everything and a global threat that'll start ww3...

Little to no military industry

Second largest military weapon exporters worldwide.

High tech industries that design chips and chip production machines for Taiwan

Rhenimetal and East Europe have been producing millions of shells per year, but shells were never Europe's main force multiplier anyway (they use bombs same as the USA).

This is a cope that will bite you in the asshole, you can barely handle Ukraine while struggling economically (your government is going heavily into debt, nearly all spending in Russia is from military uses blowing away all your savings), you cannot handle Europe.

Why the fuck would Russia attack the Baltics? They're fully NATO. I swear this is just doom porn weapons contractors selling this idea to dying boomers that lived through the red scare.

Actually it isn't real.

I remember givi retard, there's a reason he was assassinated by Russia.

Putin is juggling. He is trying to limit civilian casualties so as not to upset the Russians at home who consider Ukraine to be part of Russia. You should know this by now.

Just because you think this drunken hobo has no power to cut you with piece of glass, doesn't mean he won't cut you with piece of glass.

Nobody's expecting Russia to win open war with Europe. Historically, lonely Russia wasn't even capable of winning a war against Poland (that's why they always allied with Germans, which is no possible atm). However they can do damage and that's enough for them to call it a victory to their own people (vast majority of which never left their oblast and knows only what's told them by tv).

Limit civilian casualties

Lol
Lmao even. Is that why he basically drafted the entirety of the Donbass to die, to save them?

You don't understand. Putin is a gambler who likes to take high-risk, high-reward moves. He sees how the West is scared and undeceive, in other words, how weak the players are on the board, so he feels more reinforced to play more ballsy and take more risks. He expects that once he make a move, most of HATO won't do shit and those who will, will quickly back off. And if HATO decides to fight, it won't dare to step inside Russia and at most will only try to push his forced back out of the Baltics. This calculus worst the risk for him, because in case of success, he collapses HATO (at least in the Eastern Europe).

you are asking the wrong questions. the right question is what is nato going to fight russia with because you are living in the 1980's if you think anyone but the us has enough to stop them. all of germany has like 12 tanks.

Wtf you taking about, after WW2, there is no pooland anymore, and rightfully so.

The cope's nice. Now, how many tanks Europe has produced in 2024 to replace storaged ones that were sent to Ukraine?

NK-style totalitarian state

how many wars has NK started?

What it has to do with Girkin bring literally a retard who cannot be trusted?

Multiethnic country

Russins are the nation forming ethnicity

No russians in Chechnya

Grozny had a Russian majority

Scenarios with war not happening aren't considered any more.

In other words, NATO is the one that wants war and is actively campaigning for it.

The only reason there is a war in Ukraine is because EU (Europe as a whole) is becoming an irrelevant region in global politics.

- Business and economy are shifting to Asia
- Biggest global rivalry in upcoming decades will start in the Arctic ocean
(that's why Russia is militarizing the Arctic and why Trump wants to buy Greenland and Canada - to get closer to the pie)

The only way EU can remain relevant, is by expanding its reach and power-projection, but it cannot do so without moving Russia out of the way first.
This is why Ukraine is primarily a (failed) EU project, and why the US is growing colder to the whole thing. It's not USA's primary area of interest anymore. And EU needs to bring US back into the fold, or risk becoming historically irrelevant for centuries to come.

EU will do its best to provoke Russia into WW3, and EU will do its best to ensure USA is involved in it.

This, thats the entire motive for the existence if GAYTO.
They're giving their darnest to ignite a war in eastern yurope.

The sooner we flip off those free masonic war mongering cocksuckers the better.

good luck, im gonna skip this world war too

China decides to invade Taiwan,

Taiwan belongs to China. This is acknowledged under official US 'One China' doctrine.

then get blockaded by usa/europe and then china/russia align against them

Yeah, nah. Your tranny nigger army can't do shit. Got bitch slapped by the Houthies. Bitch slapped by Russia. Do you really want to feel ANOTHER slap?
Fuck Israel.

Get the fuck back into Russia, you don't belong in Baltics

how many wars has NK started?

Dude, NK is literally in state of constant war. They never finished one they started in 1950. Why do you think Russia buys their artillery shells? It's because they have stockpiles of decades of war production.

What the fuck do they expect russia to fight NATO with after ukraine?

they need collateral for the bankers to emit more debt, so Russia must be split into 40 Epstein Island autonomous regions

Third column creature

you don't belong in Baltics

Baltics needs at least a few intelligence geopolitics experts like myself

Third column creature

what

This doesn't mesh too well with the rest of NAFO propaganda.

Ukraine seems to be holding on somewhat ok. If they should fall and Russia goes after the next target all that support will just go there. Sure if the US completly abandon EU it will be disastrous but will they ever do that? The kikes in your goverment cream their pants when they can use you taxmoney and funnel it into their own hands by buying weapons to "defend" the west.

Which one of 3 scenarios suit you best and why?

They're all retarded. The concept that Russia is going to take on all of NATO after they've had their handful for years fighting a country on their own border because they're "desperate" isn't just stupid its patently illogical.

Their desperation from fighting a smaller war that they're slowly winning is going to lead them to engage in a much larger war that they'll almost certainly lose?

That's retarded. If Russia goes to war with NATO you don't get a conventional war. The nukes fly and everyone dies.

At this point NATO exists for no other reason than to justify its own continued existence and its decided that the only way to do that is to bring back the Cold War Russian bogeyman and if that means starting a nuclear war so they can rule over the ashes then apparently that's a price they're willing to pay.

There doesn't seem to be any coherent strategy behind EU's "war politics" in Ukraine.
All the officials in EU know is that they "must stop Russia" and "at all costs", but there is no clear political message as to "why" or "how".

I would say EU's foreign policy resembles a headless chicken, with a body that acts on impulse and reflex of what is familiar, but without a head to set a purpose for those movements. If USA wants to remain competitive in global politics, it will have to move away from EU's dementia one way or another. The alternative would be for the US to fall together with the EU, as helping a drowning man only causes you to drown together with him.

just fucking nuke them into oblivion!

just fucking nuke them into oblivion!

to achieve what? Nuclear winter in EU?

Russia attacks Estonia

but pls not this June, I'm going to see a concert there next week

I have big doubts about Russia starting off with Estonia, it just doesn't seem militarily logical. The likely attack will be in Lithuania, because there's at least a strategic purpose for an attack like that (cut off Baltics from NATO by land, and build a land-bridge to Kaliningrad)

Nice sci fi webm you got there, subhuman. Maybe if you jerk your tiny cock off while watching it you may dream it as well.

Fingers crossed it get's bombed.

because USA for the most part doesn't give a fuck anymore

The USA doesn't care, that is why they've pumped in $100+ billion.

They don't. If they really want to fight Russia they'll stage a false flag attack just like they did for WW1 and WW2.
It's all so tiresome. One day the headlines will read "Russia is running out of missiles!" and then the next day "Russia is preparing to occupy Berlin!".
The propaganda has gotten so fake and gay that it comes across as schizophrenic.

the more likely scenario is that Russia's victory in Ukraine would be a political defeat for EU/NATO (minus USA, because USA for the most part doesn't give a fuck anymore)

They have instilled the conflict, brought all needed country into nato and now their puppets over here continue into WW3. Very well done but easy if you are a nation of soulless subniggers wich neaning in life is murder plunder and bait.

Russins are the nation forming ethnicity

This "God's choosen ethnicity" thing won't work for anyone else as political argument for military intervention. World has jews already and it's sick of them.

Grozny had a Russian majority

It had not after 1st chechen war. Not that it matters. China invading Singapore because there's lot of Chinks in there wouldn't be considered legitimate by anyone either.

The only reason there is a war in Ukraine is because EU (Europe as a whole) is becoming an irrelevant region in global politics.

European governments know their weaknesses. Russia lies so much it believes in it's own propaganda of being "globa supapowa". It both went so ridiculous this war needed to happen for people to get to their senses.

The only way EU can remain relevant

EU will remain relevant by default. There's just nobody in the world to replace white Europeans. Even if EU is flooded with shitskins, it's still whiter than any of this "global south" shitholes.

tanks are irrelevant in 2024.

I'll send you a postcard from Suwałki Gap

So they plan to launch a missile to Russia and then surprised when they retaliate act like victims to start a war telling people that Russia attacked us

They pumped all the money there thinking we were going to fight for their interests. LMFAO!!
Lousy bets which mutt tax payers have to pay for, this is why they can no longer afford the finer things in life.

SELL SELL SELL

How so?

There is no rationale to wage any war against NATO.

Most of Europe is aging at a breack neck speed. The median age of Germany and Italy is in the 40s, the birth rate of Poland is siking every year and is close to 1.0, Baltic countries are depopulating fast and immigration is worsening everything.

If Russia just sits out a few years, it won't have anything to fear from an aging continent which won't be able to wage high intensity high casualty wars while paying ever higher pensions and welfare schemes.

The only party which has an interest in war are the European federalists who discovered that the best catalyst for EU federalization was the existence of a common enemy (boogeyman). They couldn't make their case on economics, culture, values so the next best thing was a unifying enemy that would justify greater political integration and a sense of shared identity.

Russia must not take the bait, if they take the bait, even if NATO breaks, even if the US doesn't intervene, the EU will seize this opportunity to unify and that will be catastrophic for Russia, to have a single superstate of 400 million people on its western coast which can use its economies of scale to cancel the vulnerabilities of individual states.

Why did they force Russia to get out of the new Start treaty 6 months early, if they think this is true?
Russia are going to build up their nuclear capability as crazy now, and probably do some shit with Iran.

A Ukrainian delegation led by First Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Economy Yulia Svyrydenko has arrived for negotiations in the United States. This was announced by the head of the Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak, in a Telegram message on Tuesday, June 3.

"As part of the Ukrainian delegation, headed by the First Deputy Prime Minister - Minister of Economy of Ukraine Yulia Svyrydenko, arrived in Washington. The team from the Ministry of Defense and the Office is also with us," he wrote.

According to him, the agenda for the Ukrainian delegation's visit to the United States is comprehensive. The American side will be informed about the results of the meetings in Istanbul, as well as how Russia is stalling for time with the ceasefire and negotiations for the sake of war.

"We plan to talk about defense support and the situation on the battlefield, strengthening sanctions against Russia, in particular Senator Graham's bill. We will also discuss the agreement on the creation of the Reconstruction Investment Fund, which was previously signed," Yermak wrote.

In addition, the delegation will discuss the issue of the return of deported Ukrainian children by Russia and Russian propaganda related to church issues.

"There will be many meetings with representatives of both parties that support Ukraine, with the team of US President Donald Trump," the head of the OP announced.

The idea is to buy all the weapons to USA something that would help massively Trump in his preparation against China because USA is broke.
People here just exist to pay taxes and be killed, isn't the liberal capitalist world amazing?

The main cause of the Ukraine war is that Russia wants to prevent Ukraine becoming part of NATO - Russia considers NATO expansion into Ukraine to be an existential threat. They have said this many times and geopolitical theorists, like John Mearsheimer, and anyone who studied international relations theory, knows this.

2015 lecture predicting this war would happen:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=ygUZbWVhcnNoZWltZXIgY2F1c2UgdWtyYWluZQ==

2023 lecture European institute:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM&pp=ygUZbWVhcnNoZWltZXIgY2F1c2UgdWtyYWluZQ==

Or just ask Russian soldiers why they are fighting:
youtu.be/-wRsr397zhg?feature=shared

The narrative that Russia has Imperialist aspirations and will attempt to conquer other countries is propaganda. Aside from this being logistically unrealistic, there is no written or verbal evidence of this. The real question is why a greater effort was not made by NATO countries to facilitate negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Why not encourage Ukraine to be a neutral country that benefits from trade relations with both the EU and Russia?

There is no rationale to wage any war against NATO.

Sure there is, just drop Tzar bombas on london, NY and washington.
Oh wait, Tzar bombas are fake n gay.

NM

Russia lies so much it believes in it's own propaganda of being "globa supapowa"

Russia doesn't care about these terms which are generally an invention of the west, because if you haven't noticed, Russia's main ally (China) is an anti-colonialist power.
Neither Russia nor China think in superpower terms, they're the ones pushing for a multipolar world order, for god's sake.
The self-poisoning by own propaganda is what's driving the west into a grave.

EU will remain relevant by default.

on what basis?

There's just nobody in the world to replace white Europeans.

Ah so its about this.
Just kind reminder, China released its own OS just recently, fully built on an entire new kernel, which will replace Windows/MacOS/Linux as a direct competitor.

What Europeans? See picrel for biggest invention

We just wana be gay on Russian border

Leave us alone

We dindu nuffin

Silly nafo troons

Complete derangement
No one forced Russia, they themselves forced it
It is insane, according to you niggers Russia is literally never an agent, never makes geopolitical moves, it only reacts and only in defense

Russia is literally never an agent, never makes geopolitical moves, it only reacts and only in defense

well this is actually the ridicule that the west and even people from your country threw at Russia for many years. "Russia only reacts" hence "falls behind all the time"

Putin is a gambler who likes to take high-risk

20 years of Putin shows you wrong.

What you are trying to say is that Russia considers not having a geopolitical sphere of buffers an existential threat because they are niggers, but simultaneously they refuse to build up economic incentive like China or USA to seem attractive so their literally only card to keep a geopolitical sphere which they easily could have had if they were not niggers is to threaten everyone implicitly that they are owed a sphere no matter what otherwise they will start ww3

Taiwan belongs to China. This is acknowledged under official US 'One China' doctrine

You are assuming nu/pol/ even knows something about the One China doctrine, the majority are redditors

russia isn't threatening anyone, at least it didn't until EU-funded Maidan nutjobs started singing songs about hanging every musvoite from a street pole

Russia will lose free navigation of the sea if it attacks a nato country.

Sure if the US completly abandon EU it will be disastrous but will they ever do that?

It's a mystery.
Trump bet that he can grow the economy gaster than the debt rise, and that is a huge gamble.

Swedish & Finnish Accession

repeatedly shot down Kinzhals (not with THAAD even)

Black Fleet double digits attrited by sea drones

literally not even snail pace of advance

not-actually 5th generation fighters

The conduct of the war - beheadings, castrations and civilian ballistic missile splatter - on the Russian side serves only to spook Eurozone fags about the casualty rates. The second the Fulda Gap is sneezed on, Konigsberg is gang raped from Gotland now, and actual Stealth Fighters SEAD & feeding behind a fussilade of deep strike precision weapons will not result in this farce trench warfare bullshit but a complete rout of these USSR cargo cultists.

The West is soft! We will leave you in the dust!

Everything about the SMO has shown their world-historic asses. The only danger is their demographic implosion and stupid kind of evil-- then the temptation to actually use their strategic nuke overmatch in the absence of the USA's nuclear aegis (because Eurofags are in deep with "enemies domestic"; Wagner may be drumming up African migrants with their junta partners, but it's German NGOs et. al. bankrolling them getting parachuted onto places like Springfield, Ohio).

Russia will lose free navigation of the sea if it attacks a nato country.

doesn't work like that

Well, Russians know that in the end ,might makes right.
Something GAYTO is only using as a bluff.

multipolar world order

that means small disconnected countries quietly doing what big Russia tells them behind the scenes
like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Chechnya etc
you disingenuous pidor

Swedish & Finnish Accession

is related to the Arctic ocean, because that's where the pie is today, and that's why Trump wants to integrate Greenland and Canada into the US.
For now Russia holds the biggest slice of the Arctic pie

War with Russia has flown over my house right now

that means small disconnected countries quietly doing what big Russia tells them behind the scenes

like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Chechnya etc

eh no, it means the world stands on multiple pillars (like Russia, China, India, Iran, USA) and global politics is a community effort between those major regional powers.
Small countries follow whatever makes sense within their region.

That is correct and these statements in no way contradict each other. Two or more statements can be true at the same time you know.
For example: Russia not winning doesn't mean that Ukraine is winning. Russia being an incompetent laughingstock doesn't mean it doesn't present any danger.

Actually our own can't be trusted

He was pretty well respected until his arrest and it became illegal to support him.

be a political defeat for EU/NATO

the same NATO that in 2022 half it's membership including germany explicitly say "not our problem"

Small countries submit to nearest regional power and can't align with anyone else because multipolar, okay?

a cognitive therapist would consider you ill
and he'd be right

What the fuck are you talking about? That is something that no one has ever said. The main complaint aimed at Russia universally is that from the moment of dissolution of USSR instead of trying to build a proactive and beneficial sphere that people would want to join willingly and can compete with the likes of China, Russia instead resorts to mob tactics of implying violence if people dare to leave its inert sphere.
Lets take for example literally USSR level territories are restored, now what? Genuinely what the fuck now? Some amazing achievements? Development of industry that can outcompete China? Or will it just continue as an indefinite mooching off of resources for nomenklaturshik asslicker beurocratic and ex vor v zakone turned oligarch class.

It's not God's chosen ethnicity, it's because Russians are the main ethnicity of Russia and the state has a duty to protect them
Second chechen war started because Chechens attacked Dagestan

Because there are too many mouths living and the elites new a culling bigger than Covid and with expectatives of rebuilding an entire continent(Europe) after his destruction and finally removing any native european for imported africans and Indians.

it's nobody's problem they are small.
Historically-speaking, if a country is small it means it had a nigger-tier political IQ.
If you want to stay independent as a small country, you need to be good at playing diplomatic games. If you refuse to be good at diplomacy, and insist on being a loud aggressive chihuahua that only demands rights and refuses to hold responsibilities (so basically like a feminist) then it deserves to get smacked (like a feminist would)

yep, pidor mentality confirmed

Russia instead resorts to mob tactics of implying violence if people dare to leave its inert sphere.

I was born in Lithuania and lived most of my life in Lithuania, and the only persons who kept talking about a "violent Russia" were our politicians. But I have never really seen Russia itself being violent towards us. In fact, it barely ever talks about us.

you're a nigger then, if you can't 101 in power dynamics (which should be a white's job btw)

The narrative that Russia has Imperialist aspirations and will attempt to conquer other countries is propaganda

They were talking about Kazakhstan being next, what do you mean lack of imperialistic aspirations.

But I have never really seen Russia itself being violent towards us

history doesn't matter

I'm 24 and I have never seen russia being violent therefore it isn't

lmao

In your own logic unipolar world means everyone does like the US says. And there's no alternative. You're either a big fan of following US orders or didn't put much though into that.

Spend decades raping the country of any resources and enforcing the use of the Russian language if they want higher education

WHY WONT YOU LOVE ME REEEE

Neither Russia nor China think in superpower terms, they're the ones pushing for a multipolar world order, for god's sake.

That retarded sentence is internally contradictory. "Multipolar world order" means there are many (multi) global powers to equalize US. Russia sees itself as one of these powers with it's own sphere of influence in it's former colonies (ex-commie block).

on what basis?

Basically on every.

Just kind reminder, China released its own OS just recently, fully built on an entire new kernel, which will replace Windows/MacOS/Linux as a direct competitor.

Which will lost all meaning in a decade, while everything it was built upon (from electricity to transistors to idea of programme) is a work of white Euroepeans. It doesn't help that insektoids are dying off on much greater scale in comparison to Europeans.

I'm 34 actually, but here's the fun part.
I studied in the UK and we had the Lithuanian ambassador come to host a lecture.
Naturally, the only thing she wanted to talk about to British students was about Russia.
And I remember what she said word for word:

The problem for us is not Putin or Lenin. The problem is Putin, Lenin, Peter, Catherine, Stalin, every Russian leader in history. In general, for as long as Russia exists, we will have a problem.

When students rightfully called her out on this, and asked her what did Lithuania do to create good relations with Russia, she got pissed and was escorted by her bodyguards out of the lecture hall.

It's literally chihuahua behaviour

what resources? Russia has more resources than any of its neighbours

Narva is where it all begins. I guarentee there's going to be '''totally organic''' riots and calls for secession happening soon where Russia has to '''save their minorities'''.

Pushing the EU/NATO into declaring war on Russia over '''a small Estonian town''' will probably undermine it to the extent it becomes useless.

u should read my ww3 generals sometimes

He wasn't. He was perceived as a freak all the way. Now, what about the number of tanks EU produced? Are you evading the question?

That retarded sentence is internally contradictory. "Multipolar world order" means there are many (multi) global powers to equalize US

no, it means many regional powers.
There are no longer any superpowers left. Not in traditional terms.

Which will lost all meaning in a decade

I don't think you understand what an OS is then

Given that most pro NATO posters think that Russia is out of everything it wouldnt make much sense to start a war with NATO.
Or maybe Russia is not running out of everything and NATO is burning up its stockpiles in Ukraine while not being able to produce enough to replace said losses so NATO is too weak to fight Russia. It depends really of your perception of the war.

Блядь тyпopылый дayн literally every single autonomous zone during dissolution of USSR broke out into Russian backed civil war during 90s, every single one that existed in USSR
If you are going to go into fucking Jewish polemics about that go fuck yourself, I'm tired of these literally fucking kike level тaнцы c бyбнoм play pretend shit

I'm 34 actually

then ask your father, if you know him, about soviet occupation of Lithuania

people keep saying bears are dangerous

i've never seen one attack someone

therefore bears are ok

Yeah, I understand that Russia thinks like a Nietzschean relativistic satanist state while NATO seems to be a cuckold union, I don't need a reminder of that.

civil war during 90s

what civil war? I think you're too historically illiterate to even use that term.

Yes it is those are contradictory you pathetic lying nigger. You are such a servila faggot that you even lie to yourself.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=igITHmsGKw4&pp

it's not like russia has a large cache of hidden weapons/tanks/etc hidden away somewhere

Actually they do. Now that they gotten rid of their useless outdated tanks, planes, missiles, ships and mobiks, the eyebrow is ready to rise.

then ask your father, if you know him, about soviet occupation of Lithuania

My dad was actually in the military, and served under both countries as a commanding officer.
He'd say that quite a lot of officers prefer to avoid taking sides even today. It's only the politicians

plz more racist statements

and served under both countries as a commanding officer.

oh that explains who you are
thanks, I now fully understand your position

The best case scenario is that Ukraine wins hard against Russia. No I'm not saying "the most probable" scenario, I'm saying "the best".

You are a retard without internal monologue, an npc, what else do you want me to say? Do you want a one thousand post discussion about why Russia is a proactive force actively trying to militarily secure a sphere? A discussion that has been had millions of times to the point of utter insanity where the next day everyone pretends like its news, genuinely exactly the way Kikes are described forgetting the debate the day after?

You know, Russia doesn't like when local nationalists start to kill and opress Russians. Actually, this one is even more hilarious from a Georgian given that your first post-USSR ruler was literally a Nazi.

I remember walking into a bar in Vilnius and speaking Russian, trying to be polite.
The barman said

you can speak any language you want in here - Lithuanian, Polish, English, French, etc, but no fucking Russian.

if Russia was a pro-active force, Russian military would be on streets of Kyiv in 2014.
I'm sorry but you need to stop the retardism

ad hominem again?
It's funny that literally every NAFO troon resorts to fallacies

they can't say that now, because we have shitloads of Ukrainian migrants, and the only way they can communicate to locals is through Russian

The civil war that I literally had to escape from you fucking moron. Abkhazian civil war in 92, Ossetian civil war in 91, Karabakh in 90s, Transnistria in 91 etc.

(((bloomberg))) projecting eternal victimhood fantasies

typical

ad hominem again?

why would you consider sucking up to whoever is in power at the moment an ad hominem?
by your standard there's nothing wrong with bending the way the wind blows

yeah most people never heard about, nor care about them in the west

Was 2011 I think.
Remember there's a big glass bank building which had a haloween party going on downstairs. The theme was 'terrorists' and everybody was dressed as Arabs, kek.

On the way back, was walking through some park-ish part of town. Got drinking with a homeless guy and his gf. He'd just got out of prison after murdering his father who had killed his mother.

Given your flag, was that in 1941?

You’re putting words in people’s mouth and trying to gaslight them.

In 2017, Russia did offer trade deal and loan to Ukraine that was more attractive than the offer from the EU. President Yanukovich signed the Russian deal instead of the EU deal which sparked the Euromaidan protests in Kiev that forced the President to flee the country - a coup d’Edat? As a result two of the Russian-speaking provinces in the east had a referendum where they voted to become independent of Ukraine because the pro-Russian government was removed. This started 2014 war in the Donbas region between the Ukrainian military and Russian-Ukrainian separatists.

The idea that the current war started from nowhere is false. You could argue that the cause is a 2008 meeting where NATO decided that they wanted to expand into Ukraine. The Russians said that further NATO expansion would be viewed as a threat…and here we are: Putin is literally Hitler. The lectures and interviews by Prof John Mearsheimer, who is probably the most influential international relations theorist of the last few decades, give a detailed history of the key events. His Munk Debate with Prof Michael McFaul, the guy who is know for studying and orchestrating ‘colour revolutions’ under the Obama administration, is also worth listening to: m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDdvU4WfUuk&pp=ygUZTWVhcnNoZWltZXIgbWNmYWxsIGRlYmF0ZQ==
m.youtube.com/watch?v=efPV0cKHwEA&pp=ygUSTWNmYWxsIG11bmsgZGViYXRl0gcJCbAJAYcqIYzv

The fucking audacity to say that I am historically illiterate only to reveal yourself a fucking delusional retard, and of course you will go on your merry way because you are not talking about this in real life so there isn't a danger of your arm getting dislocated for being an obnoxious sniveling creature.
Literally every single autonomous zone during dissolution of soviet republics broke out into Russian backed civil wars, every single one.

I tried avoiding speaking Polish when I visited Kaunas because I was told Lithuanians don't like us but it turned out not true
some even preferred to speak Polish instead of English because their English was bad
this was about 15 years ago tho so times have probably changed

Read a bit on Zviad Gamsakhurdia if you're interested. First ruler of independent Georgia who hated almost all of non-Georgians, not only Russians. Was overthrown by its own people for being an unbelievable faggot even for them.

yes. the jew is setting everyone up. chinks invade taiwan and you are on your own. you are not ready for that, even if your industry hits the war panic button - which it has done - it wont be enough. 2 more years and nothing will happen. be ready snownigger.

by your standard there's nothing wrong with bending the way the wind blows

not really, I follow whatever makes sense.
And to me, this makes sense:

1. If USA and Russia consider each other peer-competitors (geopolitically-speaking) then any attempt by USA to place troops near Russian borders will lead to same levels of conflict, as Russia putting troops near USA's borders.

2. USA has and still sticks to its Monroe Doctrine (which implies that no foreign power has the right to have a presence in North or South America). Hence, why wouldn't Russia and China have their own Monroe Doctrines? Of course they would, it makes logical sense.

3. If you are a smaller country, that lives next to a bigger country, and you want peace - then you need to train a political elite that is good at maintaining balance and neutrality. If your solution to peace is to bring foreign large powers to protect you then you are:
A) creating friction and conflict
B) being lazy
C) both of the above

4. Treating Russia antagonistically will never lead to anything, except war with Russia. It's just how human nature and politics work, and you know this. Are there any attempts made by neighbours of Russia to be friendly with Russia? No.

Where is the evidence for this?
Provide a source:

(((bloomberg))) says

Yeah, Russia had to intervene to prevent Russians (and other nations) from being slaughtered by nationalists.

I repeat - nobody gives a shit in the west. Lithuania considers itself to be part of the west.
Ask an average Lithuanian about your civil war, they won't be able to answer.
Therefore, Lithuania (and NATO) is your best friend.

in any of those scenarios explained WHY would we do it?

Russians are the main ethnicity of Russia and the state has a duty to protect them

By default there's no "main ethnicity" in multi-ethnic country. Either Russians created nation state of Russia or ethnicities/nations doesn't matter and everyone lives together as citizens.

First option is in opposition to Russian leadership's claims (or it would mean they're occupying territories of other ethnicities/nations), second gives you no basis for using force in other countries to protect "your" people. You can't eat the cake and use the cake to throw it as someone's face.

Russians got used to ideological schizophrenia, but that ideological schizorphrenia seems retarded to others and won't legitimize Russia's actions in their eyes.

Second chechen war started because Chechens attacked Dagestan

That was pretext and even that pretext had nothing to do with protecting ethnic Russians in Dagestan. That's why FSB staged terrorists attacks on Russian citizens to get something less retarded.

Just for lulz, obviously.

And you are a fucking piece of shit pretending that Russia didn't instantly start a military insurrection using the likes of Girkin and then didn't proceed to unilaterally annex Crimea using unmarked military, then proceeded to lie about it for years and then admitted it.
What the fuck is the point of talking to you, re-read your statement, you are basically saying that if Russia loses its sphere of influence Russia is morally justified to activated both covert and open military means to secure other states as it sees fit.
I actually live here, I don't give a fuck about your fucking cuckold Germany or alternatively your botfarm at Lakhta center.
Go fuck yourself fucking meliorator gpt bot.

Because your Jewish masters told you to.

This:

Russia won't attack NATO.

They are only interested in Ukraine, Belarus and maybe Moldova.

not really, I follow whatever makes sense.

nah, you're just sovietized

You are a retard, no one talks like that, this is literally not how human communication functions
When asked about Russian aggressions you are faced with the fact that EVERY autonomous zone in SR's broke into Russian backed civil wars
Then you proceed like a fucking degradant to disregard it because you are a faggot and don't like losing an argument
As I said before go fuck yourself

Nafo dreams

the thread.
Option nr4: the EU will go for broke and attack Russia, hoping that the USA will help.

The most likely scenario for war is self fulfilled prophecy when we are so tired of buthurt belt screeching we invade them just to shut them up in their paranoid shizophrenia.

nah, you're just sovietized

more ad hominems, they never stop

I received all of my political education, and education in general, in western schools and universities. How exactly am I sovietized?
Wanna know a funny fact? A lot of students in UK are on Russia's side (yes, born in Britain)

Russia's militarised. There's going to be millions of young guys who've seen shit, and I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want them coming home and feeling pissed off.
I can't see the war machine slowing down.
I unironically wouldn't mind Russia setting up some South Africa tier colonies around Central African Republic.

I received all of my political education, and education in general, in western schools and universities

why didn't you go study in Moscow?

A lot of students in UK are on Russia's side (yes, born in Britain)

this doesn't surprise me the least
having never interacted with russia, they are on russia's side
but you, you're something else and you know what that is

Look, mister illiterate.
If you'd studied international relations, you'd discover a fascinating event - the dissolution of the USSR.
Why is it considered fascinating by all academics in field of politics and warfare? Because every single piece of political theory and science prior to 1991 suggested that empires always collapse through war. And nobody in the west (at least in the academic sphere) agreed that USSR would dissolve peacefully.
However, after USSR did resolve (relatively) peacefully, this sent shockwaves across the western academia, and they had to rewrite their schooling from scratch, as all of the theorties they used for geopolitics and international relations didn't fit the event that USSR delivered in 1991.

Yes, sure, there were some small local conflicts. But all western academics were shocked to the core by whole generally peaceful the dissolution of USSR was, to the point of having to rewrite their entire schools on international relations.

So you should say thank you to Russia.

why didn't you go study in Moscow?

would need a visa for that

You’re trying to twist my words and gaslight me again. Russia was told in 1990 by Clinton that they would not expand NATO. NATO underwent massive expansion into the east anyway, because Russia was too weak to do anything about it. In 2008, they drew a line in the sand saying that NATO expansion into Ukraine would be unacceptable- they view it as an existential threat. USA and EU (minus Sarkozy and Merkel) wanted to expand NATO anyway because they didn’t care what the Russians think. I wouldn’t be surprised if they also tried to gaslight them, just like they attempt to gaslight their own citizens.

I'm sure that was the entire reason lol

Britain's an absolutely compromised failed state though.
"Born in Britain" basically = paki or pajeet. It's a horrid little nation where Tony Blair's '''''''''university reforms''''''''' have cucked an entire nation into having a victim complex with a shit degree.

The same reason Russia's oligarch class study in the UK. (I've taught them in private schools there). The (unwarranted, imo) prestige.

this doesn't surprise me the least

having never interacted with russia, they are on russia's side

nah it's more to do with academics using their brains to think about politics, and you using your emotions

It maintained a 5-10x+ bigger navy and more even before the recent reaming tho.

I'm sure that was the entire reason lol

pretty much

NAFO bullshit.

Here is the realistic scenario: Russia won't attack NATO, so after losing the proxy war with Russia, NATO will attack Russia directly. For example by implementing the blockade in the Baltic sea.

nah it's more to do with you being what you are after your father
which doesn't surprise me
the apple does not fall far from the tree
anyway I'm out

Interesting points.
It's not IR syllabus tier no doubt, but my takeaway from Gibbon was that Rome fell due to a myriad of other factors. I think it's a bit reductive to claim 'the west only believed - prior to 1991 - that empires fell due to war'. I mean, what about the British Empire, lmao?

Doesn't matter, because

Russia official narrative: This will last 3 days

It has been 3 1/2 years.

I am a child of war and I have studied international law and international relations.
There is not a single non-Russian backed academic that ignores the civil wars that happened as soviet union fell, not to mention Russias own internal two civil wars and a putsch.
You are either a complete retard with actual zero grasp on history, objectively wrong as well literally and factually, or you are a Lakhta pidor.
There is nothing you can say that will be correct because you intrinsically do not believe in truth metaphysically, it's like talking to a wall.

you can barely handle Ukraine while struggling economically (your government is going heavily into debt, nearly all spending in Russia is from military uses blowing away all your savings), you cannot handle Europe.

IMF and World Bank think differently. Russia is doing better than the U.K., that's for sure.

tanks are irrelevant in 2024

Artillery is irrelevant

Missiles are irrelevant

people are irrelevant

You are here

drones are irrelevant?

There is no rationale to wage any war against NATO.

The moment WW3 breaks out we will have civil war in Europe.

They were talking about Kazakhstan being next

(((Who))) was talking about this, you? Because neither the Kazachs, nor their media, is talking about this.
Fuck off with your nafo bullshit

Whta's your take on having millions(?) of young men who've seen combat returning home to Russia?
Do you think they'll settle down ok, or does society foresee some huge future issues?

Is literally a waste of your time and effort, pol is now a reddit NAFO space that only repeat the propaganda and never bothered to look a single map in their lives.

no, it means many regional powers.

You seems to not understand what "regional power" means. Russians got offended by Obama's administration when he used that term in context of Russia. They view themselves as global superpower, like during US vs USSR times, but now with China as their equal. At least that's what they tell to their people.

In truth they thought Europe is in same hopeless vassal position towards US as they are towards China. They hoped EU would just back off from Ukraine (and entire Eastern Europe) when Americans tell them to, but in reality Europeans are just more potent than US, Russia and China thought.

I don't think you understand what an OS is then

You mean they created new Linux instead of using old Linux? That's incredible!

There are a lot if russians in Latvia and Estonia and they are in much worse oppression then russians in ukraine. I doubt that they want to be saved by Russian military forces but nobody would ask them.

That's true. Though I don't think the navy will play a major role in that potential conflict.

I seriously doubt any of these scenarios will happen, and therefore seriously doubt any NATO general is giving them any consideration. For many reasons.

6 months after end of Ukraine War

Setting aside the fact that we are nowhere near a resolution to that war, 6 months is not nearly enough time to redirect Russian forces toward Estonia. Even for a competent military this would be a challenge, for Russia, impossible. We have seen their full logistical capacity on display for several years now and there is nothing there which suggests a rapid 6 month re-mobilization to a completely different front (while still having to occupy Ukraine) will be possible.

2 years

5 years

With the losses to men and material sustained by Russia I do not believe 5 years is enough time to recover. Russia needed almost 10 years between Crimea and the main Ukrainian invasion, to fully prepare for it, and they sustained almost no losses in Crimea.

Russia has not totally exhausted its war material, it has held back a strategic reserve to defend the homeland from attack, but that is it. It cannot replace what it has lost in Ukraine in 2 years, it cannot replace it in 5 years. It will take at least a generation to recover from the losses sustained in this war. Until then Russia's capacity to attack its neighbors is greatly diminished. It is, however, still too formidable to invade. In a defensive war Russia would be a nightmare to attack, as its issues with mobilization would all but vanish fighting on its own territory and its logistical issues would also be greatly reduced. But invasion? We've seen how Russia handles invasion. They're not going to be ready for another one any time soon.

EU has 4x the population of Russia, and Russia still can't manage Ukraine

Half of them will flee from the war back in the middle east and the other half will be too old to hold the gun.

The entirety of western europe is already entirely overrun by invading moslems and black africans and you’re worried about russia maybe invading in 5 years?

Comfy

I hope Russia and EU nuke each other as Balkans (predictably) defect

Yes and you will lose, like every time when there was no Germany to help you in your backstabbin frenzy.

defect to Turkey, no doubt

We don't have the American thing of having the major PTSD problem due to we very rarely fight in unjust wars and most of the times only defend ourselves from Europeans.

young men who've seen combat returning home to Russia

All of them are volunteers. Moreover, unlike of NATO and their proxy, all SMO soldiers get a two week vacation every 6 months so people "who've seen combat" is a regular thing. Some soldiers even have shorter 6-12 months contracts after completing them are free to go wherever they please.

does society foresee some huge future issues?

Not issues, but changes. And they already happened - like in most of the wars we've seen in our history we understand why we fight it and our society has become more united than it was before for almost a hundred of years. It's a mentality historically grown by the neighboring the Great Steppe and hordes of steppe men.

Sorry bud, I'm afraid your clown cavalry just won't cut it this time.

I really love how this Pole is so proud that people celebrate the fact that they don't need to see Poles anymore.

Turkey is incompetent and would implode without EU / Russia to prop it up. They can't even retake the parts of the desert controlled by Kurds let alone entire SE Europe

They got BTFO from Balkans when they were far stronger and larger, now they can't even handle Israel

We don't have the American thing of having the major PTSD problem

How young are you, faggot? You must be at least 18 to post here, did you suddenly forget your previous loss, Chechnya, and what damage it did to your society? Cause Ukraine is such a meat grinder that you took more casualties in Ukraine in one month than you got in Afghanistan and Chechnya combined (11 years). You are in for some murder-rape extravaganza (not just the based and trad gay kind)
Also, NATO proxy lol. This used to be one of the initial talking points, you are going oldschool I guess. Tow the party line, the current narrative that it's not NATO but a terrorist dictatorship.

Anon Ukraine is basically an open pit mine please.

Russians got offended by Obama's administration when he used that term in context of Russia.

That's hilarious coming from a Pole, because everytime I meet one of you, it's "we can take on Russia, Poland is the best". So it's literally classic Polish projection.
Where are the 1,000s of Poles that were fighting in the Ukrainian Foreign Army? That's right, they're dead, wounded or deserted cry babies.

Serbia's lust and desire for its ottoman history surpasses turkroach incompetence, though.

We celebrate that with good you reason you pidor. Fucking Polak banderite animals banned zoophilia and CP. There never was darker days in the Russian empire, every Russian man still feels sorrow in his heart thinking back about that period.

But muh tanks

You know full well tanks do not win wars anymore kek, besides until recently Europe was bound by treaty to keep them low. Enjoy a future without it.

Kek Russia has worse demographics than any European nation.

I've actually never met a brit. Whenever i've been to the UK post-national economic zone, all I see are pakis and indians.
There's some random animals who claim to speak english and terrorise our market squares, but that surely can't be the 'Great' british race.

He is trying to distract you from the fact that they lost over 13k of those, and can never replace them, cut him some slack. They do produce 2/month and refurbish about 20, so don't bully.

So... NK has started no wars despite being in a constant state of war? gotchu senpai

2014 you mean. 2017 was when McCain went there and declared war on Russia and promised US arms. That faggot Graham and war cunt Klobutchar were there too.

I'd support Turkey genociding Bulgarians and getting Bulgaria if it allowed us to genocide Albanians and annex Albania

due to we very _rarely_ fight in unjust wars

Go learn some English, baltoid chihuahua lapinskas.

invade Chechnya

invade Chechnya again

invade Georgia

Invade Georgia again

Invade Ukraine

Invade Ukraine again

rarely

Nigger, you have fought only wars of invasion since your newest iteration after the USSR corpse shuffled out of its mortal coil.
If you had managed to defeat Ukraine, you'd be eyeing Moldova.

Go learn English

quotes own post riddled with errors

Curious.

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invade, invade, invade

Oh yeah, all those poor innocent countries that did nothing wrong. Man, I hate disingenious pieces of shit like you with a passion.

muh poor innocent terrorist jihadists

Better than most European countries, actually. Look at TFR stats.

Man you really are retarded, i hoped you were trolling, but nah legit double digit iq on this specimen of homo sovieticus.

we think Chechnya does not deserve intependence, it's doing something wrong

we think Georgia belongs to us, better take two regions

we don't understand why Ukraine does not be long to us, better invade

You are not helping your case, you are fucking underage.
You actually allied WITH the jihadists in order to annex Chechnya. Cause you lost the first time. You did not fight the jihadists, you were on the same side.

Seriously, is this thread below the age of 18, or are ziggers actually this retarded?

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show flag or get lost

does not know about how many le meme arrows to put in front of the number

actually types it in

Jesus, are you actually Glavset?
Am I being trolled? Someone help me out. This newfag can't be real, this is either Glavset or some underageb&

Polish hussars vs Russian meat wave bikers

Now that I'm thinking about it, I want to see it.

"we can take on Russia, Poland is the best"

Because that's literally true, nigger. Poland's the only thing that contains Russia's expansion in this part of Europe. Russians (from Moscovites to Soviets) never were capable of invading our country without Germans helping them. We're stating objective, historical facts here.
NK started one war in 1950 that's technically still going on to this day.

Picrel is Muscovy without its colonial assets.

Poland's the only thing that contains Russia's expansion in this part of Europe

Oh, I just read about this funny ideology of yours. You should know that it prefers honorable death over living.

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I'll just evade all uncomfortable details of every situation so I can keep holding onto my moral high ground

tranny behavior right there

You should know that it prefers honorable death over living.

You should know it assumes taking as many of you, retards, as possible.

ooph, that's an absolute stomping.
what makes Russian lives so easy to take? it's almost as if they believe they're low value humans.

Good luck guys and have fun!

Russia just lost a bunch of their nuclear delivery methods...

got divided at least four times in its history

spend most of its history under Germans and Russians

crows about one war with nice results for it

That's just hilarious.

Don't be that emotional, chihuahua lapinskas, or you will get your eyes out of the orbits.

I get that your joke of a country is only 30 years old and history before your country's foundation simply doesn't exist for you, but it's not the case for our country which is a thousand years old and all events in our history reflect our mentality and attitude.

In that bizarre reality is Russia older than Bulgaria

nooo i don't want a trad country to liberate me from globohomo anything but that

Russia attacks Estonia 6 months after end of war in Ukraine

why? maybe lithuania cause it's in between ?

Russia attacks Baltic countries in 2 years

so Estonia isn't Baltics?

If nothing else happens Russia starts full scale war in Europe 5 years

why?

he thinks Russia is older than Bulgaria

A-anon...

turk rape babies speaking broken Russian dialect think they are somehow relevant

lmao

thousands of years of being snow niggers letting kikes steal your grain to sell you vodka until you became mongoloids

Bratan, Bulgaria is the country that gave us alphabet and its older than Russia.

got divided at least four times in its history

Because after like 10 wars of getting their ass kicked, Moscovites finally asked Krauts for help.

spend most of its history under Germans and Russians

Just 123 years, while still maintaining sense of national integrity and purpose.

crows about one war with nice results for it

Literally latest war when your retarded ancestors tried jumping on Poles without help of Krauts. Anyone would see some pattern right now and Krauts are on our side in foreseeable future.

I have no idea how you want to spin it to make Russia look good/Poland look bad.

trying to divert attention from the fact that other countries decide the fate of Poles even when it's literally sponsored my Germans right now

Lmao, just accept your place in this world.

why? maybe lithuania cause it's in between ?

Estonia is most helpless due to logistics. Help to Lithuania could come from both south and north.

so Estonia isn't Baltics?

Not just "these" Baltics. Finland gets attacked as well. Maybe Poland and Sweden, but it's most chaotic scenario, so nobody knows.

why?

Because if it doesn't, it collapses:

19 pbtid

still seething

mfw

Jew globalist pushing hard for nuclear war with Russia
Kikes will all be in their bunkers while Europe/ the world burns. Lmao

in 2 days russia will take kyev right??? . nigga no one cares about russia anymore they are weak faggots with nukes. and i even bet the nukes arent even working

Finland, Poland, Sweden are all far too strong for russia to even considering attacking.

Nigger, Poland just saved Germany from recession last year. Our current exports are bigger than Russia's. Our imports are twice as big as Russia's, because our 37m country isn't as poor as your 140m shithole.

We've accepted our place - being part of Europe with all benefits and responsibilities. After centuries even Germans seem to understand what's the stake.

Only one who's out for foreseeable future is Golden Horde 2.0 (you) and it very much suits us.

You might see it different, but it doesn't bother me, because you have no basis for your projections.

Polands fate
It will be raped by Germany, then Russia , it WWII all over again.
Poles really are retarded

Attacking the Baltics makes the more sense it is 125 years since they gained independence from Russia.

I don't know about Finland and Sweden, but our military says it still needs 5 years. If Russia attacks in 2 years, Poland will still be as unprepared as Ukraine was in 2022 and whole point is to push back Russia with 1 hit KO, not to keep dying in mud for several years - something that doesn't bother Russian leadership, nor actual Russians (it seems).

nuclear warheads need constant and costly maintenece

be pidor general

"motherland stronk, why maintain it if everyone just shit their pants if nooks mentioned?"

illegally funnel cash dedicated to maintain nukes for golden shittes, yachts, caviar and vodka for X years

suddenly nukes are needed

realize the only way your nuclear arsenal could harm anyone is if the rocket fell directly on them

if it even managed to launch properly

"cyka blyat..."

Remember when ukros found medkits from 1970 on fallen ziggers where everything was expired to the point where bandages just crumbled under the touch like fucking ancient papyrus scrolls? I sure remember that. Because why replace something that is never going to be used anyway, when you can replace it only on paper and with a few bribes pocket the money? :^)

You miss greater picture, while wheel of history keeps turning. We're at point when we have repeat of 14-17th century on horizon.

We're at point when we have repeat of 14-17th century on horizon.

lol

Poland finally gave Germany back a little money

Lmao. Well, of course it's nice that you're milking Germans quite well, though it doesn't count as being an independent nation. Also, it's fun how you say being a part of Europe is something good when almost all the Europeans here think Europe is already done or going to.

Anyways, it's nice that Poland gave up on imperial ambitions and accepted it's role as a part of some real state.

this remind me of our military that started fabricating conflicts to increase budget, but with russians you never know since they have a real zar that can do whatever

I love the fact that even the EU is aware there's no scenario where Ukraine still exists lul. Ukraine is like Gaza, both will cease to exist by the end of this decade

Well, of course it's nice that you're milking Germans quite well, though it doesn't count as being an independent nation.

I know Russian mind is lost in web of foreign relations that aren't purely vertical. There's just too much to learn in here for someone in your possition, so I won't bother.

Also, it's fun how you say being a part of Europe is something good when almost all the Europeans here think Europe is already done or going to.

Most of these fucks don't trully mean it or don't know any better because their countries actually got somehow worse in last couple of decades. They lack sense of scale on how shitty things can get before they reach civilizational level of e.g. Russia. Just like most Russians have no idea how shttiest of western European countries are still light years away from what they used to.

it's nice that Poland gave up on imperial ambitions

History lessons in Polish schools revolve almost entirely on threats to democracy that comes from selfishness (something that killed 1st Rzeczpospolita) or threats of foreign policy based on superiority complex (something that killed 2nd Rzeczpospolita).

Our society is just much wiser and much more ahead of Russians, that's why Poland is 2nd most dynamic economy of last 3 decades, while Russia is trying hard to become Africa-tier shithole.

You don't understand us because if you would, your country would be much like ours.

Maybe it's good, because Russia would be much more powerful if it was like us. But on the other hand, it wouldn't be such pain in the ass to it's neighbours.

Britain is going through a rough time for sure. That's why this war pisses me off so much. We should spend it on the country

Because that's literally true, nigger. Poland's the only thing that contains Russia's expansion in this part of Europe.

KEK Fuck off polack, if it comes to a war, we are using your infantile hatred against you so you can die in our place. The Ukranians destroyed you during the war and now you suck their dick.

you people are insane.

26 more weeks

you people are insane.

Well, these are scenarios of top 20 NATO's generals of various countries, based on revelations from Danish intelligence. They can be a bit dramatic or they might be right on everything. It's difficult to consider what's beyong sanity, when Russia just few years ago started open war in Europe with obvious, dire consequences to itself.

that Pole's confidence in being the wiser one while living at someone else's expense

There's no coherent thought in your post. You said nothing, because you know nothing. Most painful is such waste of trips.

its amazing how all these globohomo bullshit articles start out with

putin is crazy and will imminently attack us

he'll march across all of europe unless we immediately form an EU army and respond with nukes!

you are all gay turbofaggots and do the bidding of your leash handlers, mostly without even knowing it

So real message they want to convey is that war is inevitable. Which most likely is untrue. Russia can't conquer Ukraine, they won't take on any nation that is more prepared either.

Worked in a plastics factory as a tech a year back, mass producing housing for artillery shells. Had a military industry guy visit from Turkey, Hungary and Serbia. The boss comes over after their meeting and says European militaries are missing so many shells they can't replenish their supplies for the next 10 years even if they wanted, so they bough plastic anti-static shell housing from us for nearly double the price and we would dump truck loads of ones that couldn't pass inspection tests and they never even figured out, so the boss scrapped the inspection teams since we didn't even need them anymore. Europe is fucked and that's probably the reason why the UK has just announced 6 or 7 new artillery munition plants alone.

Russia can't conquer Ukraine, they won't take on any nation that is more prepared either.

Until you realize their goal at this point isn't conquer, but to buy as much time as possible by any means possible. Then perpentual war seems like reasonable solution.

I think Afghanistan couldn't tako on the US either, but a well placed false flag didn't stop them now, did it?

This

These shells all will go to Ukraine asap. EU and UK still keeps NATO's doctrine of air superiority instead of using oldschool artillery. During entire war in Iraq and Afghanistan US and it's allies used less amount of artillery shells, than is currenly used in Ukraine daily.

I'm most likely whiter then you Muhammed seeing as I get burnt to a crisp if I stay out in the sun for more then an hour.
Not that you had an argument anyway but I just wanted to point out your shit colored skin color..

A quarter of those were defective, but we never got even a complaint about them, so we continued pumping them out. Wonder if the Ukranians threw them away or had samo poor bastard use them.

top 20 NATO's generals

The same NATO generals who told us Russia would run out of ammunition 3 years ago?
The same NATO generals who said Russia would only sustain this war for a couple of months?

based on revelations from Danish intelligence

God help us all

They can be a bit dramatic

Glad you admit it's bullshit

they can't replenish their supplies for the next 10 years

Sounds about right, USA has the same issue. Problem is that for factories we need to build them. And that's not possible in the next 5 years due to bureaucracy and lack of funds. To give an idea: Hinckley Point is a nuclear power plant we started building in 2017. Expected start date is 2031. Initial budget was 18B£, now estimated at 31B£. We are fucked. I doubt the rest of Europe is in a better state.

full scale war in Europe

they can’t even manage a full scale war in Ukraine..

buy time by starting retarded wars while not having the population/trade/manufacturing to carry This whole war is carried by senile putin, and will end instantly the moment he's dead, and whoever comes after him will blame everything on him. Everyone surrounding putin makes too much money from stealing the resources of the nation and its people, and know that those people would turn on them if putin/kgb didnt have literally all the weapons.

Full scale war requires actual ideas and beliefs to carry it. Those fighting on russians side are all signed up for a paycheck, nothing more.

I doubt the rest of Europe is in a better state.

Europe is fine, yookay is a basket case.

Scenarios with war not happening aren't considered any more.

Finally these fucking dumbasses are getting their asses into gear.

Which one of 3 scenarios suit you best and why?

What a weird fucking question. As if it matters. But honestly 6 months or 2 years sounds more realistic. 5 years and we are fucked because everyone will just return to normal and if Russia surprise attacks then it's over. The west is so quick to forget, so slow to learn and mobilizes at a snails pace it really seems. Get your ass into gear already.

two more weeks bro I swear

Russia is both weak and incompetent that lost nearly everything and a global threat that'll start ww3

The funny thing is retarded western propaganda has been the same for the whole fucking cold war.

Because this has always been Russia’s role in Europe, for centuries. It has always been their destiny to wage war to the west.

The same NATO generals who told us Russia would run out of ammunition 3 years ago?

So why they started buying North Korean ammo? Just to piss everyone off?

The same NATO generals who said Russia would only sustain this war for a couple of months?

Somebody was trully considering this?

Full scale war requires actual ideas and beliefs to carry it.

Where were you for last 2 decades? Russian gov is very much providing it's people all the necessary ideas and beliefs.

Those fighting on russians side are all signed up for a paycheck, nothing more.

These paychecks are worth something in relation to what other people get. When everyone else eats shit, borders are closed and you're getting 100$ for being in army you still feel like an elite. That's how it goes in every, broken, totalitarian, militaristic shithole. That's how North Korea survived for like 4 or 5 generations at this point.

I'm not saying Russia is like North Korea at this point. It will be like North Korea after it starts a war in Europe, get's it's ass kicked out and enforces it's borders. It needs this war to do this or it'll just become poor and collapse.

2 more quarters

Seeing how successful Russia os on Ukraine I don't fear this "invasion" at all.q

That price is such a blatant form of bureaucracy and corruption that I sometimes wonder when the people will stop bending over for these fucks, but it seems modern media and propaganda has neutered us completely at this point.

There's just nobody in the world to replace white Europeans

Except eurocucks are masturbating at the thought of their own ethnic replacement by jewish NGOs. Only war and death will wake you stupid faggots up. Admittedly this is true of Americans and Cucknadians too.

How are you coping, just hilarious. Actually, no one seriously discuss a war with Europe in Russia. I understand that you hussars are craving for being wound on the tracks of Russian tanks, still you have to forget about that, sorry.

Except eurocucks are masturbating at the thought of their own ethnic replacement by jewish NGOs.

Just Brits and that's maybe. Even Germans are disillusioned to shitskin migrants at this point.

Only war and death will wake you stupid faggots up.

Yes. Maybe that's why we're at point where Europeans just say "fuck it, let's do this".

Actually, no one seriously discuss a war with Europe in Russia. I understand that you hussars are craving for being wound on the tracks of Russian tanks, still you have to forget about that, sorry.

That's so cute when you're trying to get into mindset that you don't understand. Or say what your government will or won't do as if you have any influence on that.

Putin looks very stupid right now after those drone strikes in his military. I'm starting to think he won't do shit but lose. Does he even have nukes? Zelenskyy thinks they're fake and maybe he's not wrong.

Desu

citing Solovyev like he's something more than an entertainment for boomers

You really, really don't get Russia, hussar.

Thanks. I got more or less similar info from other sources.

Damn, did I just help out the FSB on accident? Lmao

Don't worry, we'll give you a bear waifu when the time comes.

I love how Russia gained a ton of genuine sympathizers due to the absolute state of degeneracy in the West, but only to crater it again with retardation, proving that they are subhumans who enjoy slaughter, and that they are globohomo v1, as well as the progenitors of v2.

inb4 YES it's JEWS, but it's ESPECIALLY JEWS FROM EASTERN EUROPE/RUSSIA, and their commie golems!!!!

citing Solovyev

Or Putin*

Nobody really gets Russia. Not me, not Russians, nor even their tsar.

It's just as if it's some insanity that needs to be contained instead of with whom it is necessary to reach an understanding. Pretty much what happens in Europe.

I think it's quite easy to understand both Russia and Europe if you really want it. The thing is, almost no one wants.

NEW THREAD

Putin and co are part of the same clique Trump and co and most of all the other Western leaders are.

politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007/

Its all fake. The only war is against the goyim.

So why they started buying North Korean ammo? Just to piss everyone off?

Lol, the EU, that includes you polacks, tried to buy 1 million shells on the market for 2 years now. Unsuccessfully so. So what's the point? Good for the russians. They needed a million shells, they got it. The EU tried to do the same thing and failed.

Somebody was trully considering this?

Now you're a bad liar. Everyone thought this. Including dumb polack plumbers.

I love how Russia gained a ton of genuine sympathizers due to the absolute state of degeneracy in the West, but only to crater it again with retardation, proving that they are subhumans who enjoy slaughter, and that they are globohomo v1, as well as the progenitors of v2.

This lol

The thing is, almost no one wants.

Because interests of modern European countries and interests of Golden Horde 2.0 are mutually exclusive. Just like interest of medieval Europe were incompatible with interest of og Golden Horde.

Europeans want to be prosperous, Russia wants to enslave everything up to Pyrenees. It just doesn't adds up.