That'll be $30,000 + 10% tip
That'll be $30,000 + 10% tip
Nope. Trump told them not to raise prices on the shop floor. they're just going to sell them at a loss
TOYOTA HAS MANUFACTURING PLANTS IN THE USA YOU FUCKING RETARD
Most American market Toyotas are already made here.
Mutt walsh is a faget btw
Akshually wages will increase by 60% and it will be cheaper.
:^))
so they’re start to finished manufactured in america and there are no imported components in the vehicles that would be tariffed and incur higher production costs?
the reality of tariffs is that the cost is borne by the producers, middlemen, and consumers in a proportion based on the demand curve and availability of substitutes
It is kind of nice having a mob boss in charge instead of incompetent public sector mystery meats.
MY SUBARU IS PROUDLY MADE IN INDIANA
That means they can raise their prices for a free extra 10%.
And every single part in their cars is produced in the US too, huh Kangapoo?
The parts of a car have nowhere near the value of the finished product. I don't think a $300 tax on importing a few grand of steel and components will reflect heavily in a 20+ grand pricetag.
Then people will just buy Mazda, also built in the USA
Hey, it pays to make things in America, tell your friends.
for that hideous piece of shit?
Keep it
Most American market Toyotas are already made here
Anon Babble is filled to the brim with fucking morons today.
today
fuck yourself newfag
Then people will just buy Mazda, also built in the USA
All of the parts, components, electronics are built in America too?
they arent even taking a loss with tariffs. they are simply making what they made on cars 10 years ago. this is only a niggercaust to shareholder parasites
Price controls lead to shortages.
for that hideous piece of shit?
That car will give 300,000 miles with basic maintenance.
I am aware of cars being shipped in pieces then nailed together in their final destination. Still creates jobs.
Anon Babble's demoralization shills are going to exhaust themselves today acting like the thing we voted for 5 times is a disaster because there's a few bumps in the road.
Japan will play the game, Japan practically invented this game.
mazda makes 1 car in the US. the rest are nipponese imports
price controls are literally communism
That's why these were delivered in warning format rather than any actual solid piece of legislation.
THAT CIGARETTE LIGHTER IS BUILT IN SPAIN ITS NOT A REAL AMERICAN CAR
yeah i don’t see why hundreds of dollars in extra taxes and fees shipping 10 million cars a year would impact a business. there’s a reason why you shave as much off production costs as you can once you’re making something at scale.
Buy a Rivian.
That car will give 300,000 miles with basic maintenance.
What a fucking meme. A lot of cars will do that, and suck much less the entire time.
Newer vw passat has something that I love, the hunter eyes of the car are strong.
$100,000 + tip
Maybe if they were like $40k (like the Cyber Truck was supposed to be)
I wonder if there's even a single component on Mazda with a "made in America" stamp or logo.
It's the most american-made car it won't suffer any tariffs, the parts are 90% domestic at this point
T.unironically look it up
Fucking Vivian what a stupid name for a battery pickup truck company. Even dumber is using a portmanteau of River Indian as in the indian river.
It's a lot less stupider than a Volkswagen built car requiring you to take off the front bumper and disassembling half the engine to do any minor service
the engine is built in Georgetown, Kentucky and final assembly takes place there. transmission is probably from Japan though
They are the chosen rich redditor vehicles., remember like Tesla used to be.
No thank you, I will always buy used cars. Even a 5 or 10 year old used car is better than new. It depreciates right off the lot anyway
they dont like the rivians because they are too big and trucklike (need to save the heckin pedesterians!!!" they want rivian to build vehicles they want, like tiny 2 seat roadsters.
Other than that old Mercedes Diesel I haven't seen a euro car with more than 150k miles not being listed as "parts"
Of course it'll impact business at scale, that's the entire point. I'm saying on an individual level I don't see a $300 price increase really wrecking a new car buyer. Hell, they already get nickle and dimed by state incentivized taxes and whatnot for a few grand.
Some states even tax cars for being too fuel efficient because it avoids gas taxes, there are layers to the irony, but that's beyond the point. The fact that you could only talk the guy down to 27.6k instead of 27.3k isn't much of a game changer.
If I'm gonna spend $100k on a EV car it would be a Porsche Taycan.
this. lots of troons in this thread pretending theyre buying a new car every year
buy an ebike
get a job that is wfh or ebike distance
get everything you buy delivered
use ubers when you don't feel like riding
rent a car if you need one a couple times a year
there I just saved you about 10,000 dollars a year. driving is the most wasteful cucked thing you can do today. t. sold my car 5 years ago to do exactly this.
a lot of cheaper than my old loan
I cannot afford an $80,000 car
The price of a single uber ride is higher than the cost of a cheap used car per month.
A new German built vehicle in most cases last 4 years top without major issues
Yeah Subaru's are solid. My next car is gonna be either an outback or a forester. That or maybe a newer Accord because they are like the new cadillacs of the 70s.
>get everything you buy delivered
>use uber
>rent a car
Save money
no it's not. you can't find any worthwhile used cars under 8 grand anymore. even if you found a miracle of a deal the cost of maintenance, registration/inspection, gas, parking, etc will still be expensive even if you don't notice it because it's a lot of little small bills over time. I did the math and I can basically uber every other day and it's still less than the cost and upkeep of a car.
All of that works if you live in a large city like NYC or L.A. but if your like most Americans you need a car to get to places because suburbs and towns weren't build to be walkable that much.
Crab buckets
American cars are made in mexico, canada, and the US. Raw material extraction, part manufacturing, and final assembly happen in all three countries.
Depends on your definition of worthwhile I guess. You can buy a used japanese car that doesnt need much more than an oil change every 5-6k or year miles and the costs of that, fuel and insurance are far less than $100 a month, with insurance being the biggest expense.
I dunno, I read your post like the city guy that takes his 2 busses for $5 each with no Transfer Slip and does the same thing on the way home and imagines he's saving a fortune.
Americans have to commute 2 hours every day in most places. I remember friends of mine who commuted from SFV to L.A. for work every day. 2 to 2 and a half hours with traffic.
What fantasy world do you live in? Do you even drive?
You can buy a used japanese car that doesn't need much more than an oil change
show me a car like this that's on sale for less than 8k
you know that we can see when you reply to yourself right?
but do you know what cars are built there? they certainly do not build all dirrent cars in the same plant
Ew, is that the new goyslop? Cars fucking suck anymore
Yeah, I drive an old Corolla.
Not gonna do your homework for you, you gotta look around decide how much work you're willing to put into it and what environmental hazards you have to look out for in your area. Just saying my little 3 grand corolla will probably still be going long after you've chewed through a couple Ebikes and a few grand in Ubers and if I need to travel a couple hundred miles I'm not sweating it.
And every single part in their cars is produced in the US too, huh Kangapoo?
They will be now, lol. Which is the entire point.
That'll be $30,000 + 10% tip
Good luck. Have you seen the %APR for cars these days? People can't afford a car even if they tried. Nearly every idiot and FOMO retard got squeezed dry on 150% - 200% overloaned vehicles between 2021 to 2024.
Raising prices may make sense to a brain dead C-suite, but it just makes the crash hurt harder.
If you found a working car for 3 grand and bought it in the last 5 years that's a fucking steal. I've thought about it going back to driving but all I see is either putting myself in morgate level debt on a new car or spending 8k on a total piece of shit that is sure to have some ticking time bomb of a auto repair waiting to happen. The old days of getting a thousand dollar beater are over at least where I'm at. Truth is I also just have never liked driving. It's stressful, it's one of the most likely places to get fucked with by police, fucking hate dealing with parking.
You niggers have the highest wages in the world so good luck with that.
Inter usa producers will rise the price 24% because it's still cheaper than the 25% tariffs +shipping costs.
You guys will not afford cars (cheap cars) for a long time
unironically look it up
Most North American market cars are built mostly in the US. The news is largely overblown on it for the most popular vehicles. Even supposed tariffs from Canada and Mexico aren't that big of an issue, because automakers have subcontractors they'll renegotiate with stateside.
Journo scum talk about auto tariffs like America doesn't produce cars and will be sent to the poorhouse like it's a non-auto-manufacturing country like Venezuela or Israel. Given the names, they probably are.
I also just have never liked driving. It's stressful, it's one of the most likely places to get fucked with by police, fucking hate dealing with parking.
I don't live in NYC where I dont need a car otherwise id just walk to work and live near work. Having to drive for 2 hours every day is just mind numbing and tiring. I'd rather live out in the sticks with a car cause then I can have nature drives with cool scenery but in traffic bumper to bumper its ass.
a car that only 20% of people could afford
now might cost a little more, but there will be job creation
U are the niggest OP
It is regional, I'm from western WA originally where things like rust aren't a major issue, so you only have to worry about the actual mechanical components.
0-------0
The front end is aids
Truth is I also just have never liked driving. It's stressful, it's one of the most likely places to get fucked with by police, fucking hate dealing with parking.
Honestly, if I had the opportunity to retire, I'd probably either sell the car or switch to a van. Most cars are awful and the costs to keep them on the road adds up. Regulatory fees and insurance costs will probably cause the camel's back to break.
mexico*
Being this retarded
Man this board has gotten a bad reputation because of brainless like you
Most American market Toyotas are already made here.
They are assembled in the US. The engine will still arrive from Japan, the aluminium from Canada, shock struts from Mexico, etc.
You stupid lard mutts
A point already discussed in that reply chain.
The price of importing individual parts is likely not going to be all that high since they don't have their full value until assembled. So a singular product probably won't see all that steep of a price increase. On the large scale businesses will need to adapt but I sincerely doubt anyone would notice a $1k difference on a new car. Alot of dealerships already rob people of that much. and the nickle and dime taxes and fees at the state level.
Japan's been playing this game a long time. Which is good, toyota is a net positive.
These have a 49% total tariff now
So a singular product probably won't see all that steep of a price increase.
Of course it will, particularly as parts are shipped from one country to another, adding value, and getting tariffed each time it crosses a border. It's a cumulative tariff now. A tariff a higher level assembly such as an engine is still +25% on a higher level value, but on something like those shock struts, it has to cross 6 borders to be completed. You're going to see far higher than +25%.
Completed assembly on shock struts now - ~$200
With tariffs, some quick maths. Let's split the $200 evenly into batches of $35
$35
$44 *1.25
$55 *1.25
$68 *1.25
$85 *1.25
$107 * 1.25
-----------
$394 total
Congrats, you've just 200% the price of your shock struts. That'll be x4 of those please (+$800 over original)
You cannot into math or logical sense
You stupid lard mutts
The Toyota Camry has been the 'Most American Car' by domestic parts percentage for years and years fuckwit.
Now, enjoy unemployment, unlimited pajeets, poverty, marxism and backwardness while we enjoy being the new China.
>no no you can’t leave the prices as is
joo logic
No wonder people have been complaining about a drop in quality in Toyota.
Nice 10 year old link, even the links within your ancient link are dead.
NHTSA's 2022 data, the Toyota Camry's [US] domestic content was listed at 60%.
Dropping, dropping... and there go the profits to Japan. Arigatō
but on something like those shock struts, it has to cross 6 borders to be completed
There is no reason for this, and this should not be the case. Ending this will be worth it.
Just bought this beauty for $900.
Dealerships can suck it.
New cars are too costly even without tariffs
the only thing it will end is the US economy
But it is, because Trump signed it in 2018, and has now shot himself, and you, in the face with 200% increase on shock struts alone.
You can't just pick up a factory and move it, particularly when the administration changes it's mind depending on what direction Musk farted in. The easiest thing for manufacturers to do is simply pass it along to the end customer.
t. work in manufacturing M&As
imposing tariffs will destroy your economy, that's why no one does it and none of these countries have their own tariffs on the US to strengthen their domestic economies
Look how stupid you look.
Maybe when Tesla expands the charging infrastructure for another 5 or so years. Right now? With the fast charging infrastructure electrify america and chargepoint are offering? Fuck no.
Lovely car the prelude, reminds me of my old Celica. I wish pop up lights were a thing again and not mainly seen in miatas
(((globalism))) started in 2018
You can't just pick up a factory and move it
Funny how all those factories got picked up and moved into Canada and Mexico, right?
I am an engineer and I work in the manufacturing industry, and autarky is 100% the correct approach for national security and reliability of infrastructure. Globalism is fake and gay and anyone who defends it desperately wants a race to the bottom.
It's simple then - companies will just consolidate manufacturing in one plant instead of having it bounce between 6 places. Will it take time? Of course it will, but companies, being naturally risk-adverse, will want to keep their manufacturing in one factory instead of in two because they fear future possible tariffs on this kind of stuff. When there's 6 border crossings and 6 tariffs applied over the production cycle of the product, things tend to get consolidated over time.
The companies then have to choose - will they close the factory in the US, and ship the final product over the border to the US? Or will they close the factory in Canada and ship the final product within the same country to its intended place of use?
Nice car, anon. Cheers!
This all coming from the leaf who just had one of his mayors try and threaten to shut down the New England power grid, not realizing most of the Northeastern US still runs nuclear reactors that feed into Canada, has dozens of strong hydroelectric dams working like clockwork to feed most of the municipalities not named Boston or Providence, and are back-up fed by energy lines shooting off from Dominion, which is in North Carolina.
The point of tariffs is to bring manufacturing back to the nation. Screaming about 'wow short term prices will go up' doesn't matter because the long term health of the country will offset the short term austerity. I know you don't realize this because you faggots elected a literal banker-human to run your country right into the ground, so I'll give you a moment to suss this out, and then naturally try and clap back with more 'maffs' because you would rather lose your national identity of hockey, maple syrup, and beaver tails because you believe importing shit-streeting browns is how you become relevant again. I notice you never ask why Israel or China import those same browns, despite all your politicians screaming how amazing they are.
My friend back in high school had a 78 Celica with a 20R engine...He'd off-road it all the time. Tough little car, and fun. Another good example of a gem that can sometimes be found for less than $1000 and with a bit of work it can be just fine and reliable. I never saw the need to spend like $60k on a car like so many people do
Sexomobile 90s edition
Thanks Anon :D
When cars don't double in price by next week are you all going to kill yourselves or will it be Trump's fault that the prices didn't rise high enough?
Done him
Prices will never go down. Accept it.
You need to get to work right, goy?
You reek of Goya seasoning
manufacturing isn’t coming back bud
It's an '87, but the early 90s Preludes looked very similar. Something about those old boxy cars just appeal to me. Light, reliable, good gas mileage, none of the excessive cost. Everything these days looks ugly to me, like an egg on wheels or some overly-abstract attempt at futurism
Speak for yourself anon the Midwest has tons of new factory job openings
Yep, my car looks like that after a few years of high Colorado and Wyoming winds managed to blow off the clearcoat. Car is still fine though. I'll probably PPF or vinyl wrap the next one.
Incidentally, the leafs actually used to make one of the all-time best value for money cars you can still get in the modern era. Ford Crown Vics. Anon Babble used to hype these up a lot, and I have to say, they weren't wrong. You can still get them for under $2000 from time to time like this one I saw on govdeals, but the youtubers and rednecks running demolition derbies with these things have ruined the market pretty good. These things used to be $500.
Then the leafs stopped making Panthers, and as the leafs can see, we no longer need the leafs.
at a loss
bull fucking shit. even at "floor price" the company is still making tons of money.
these plastic body EV's cost like....$2000 dollars worth of material to make, and are made with robots in factories that dont pay laborers.
Christ, all the mutts piling in now. I'll limit my reponse to the least retarded of you.
Will it take time? Of course it will,
It takes more than 4 years to plan, finance, and build a factory. By which point, Trump will already by out. Why take the risk when you can simply pass the cost on?
companies won't pass the cost
They absolutely will, there's no reason no to.
Auterky is stupid when it's applied blindly. Take antimony (element 51?) for example, a critical component in ammunition of all kinds. Congratulations on adding +37% to that today. Good luck sourcing that in the US.
Selective tariffs work to an extent, and are legal within WTO.
Agreed. There's something about the near death experience when the car starts death rattling at 130km/h / 80mph.
I eat nothing but McDonalds man. Maybe it's something else around here that smells like Goya.
Dropping, dropping... and there go the profits to Japan. Arigatō
You mean rising, rising, because they will be forced to make more of their components here.
They have no choice.
Biden kept all of Trumps tariffs the first time.
Whoever comes next will keep this set of tarrifs.
There is no going back.
Good thing I'm not a nigger or I would give a fuck about buying a new car.
I'm amazed the car didn't have a single dent, just bad paint. Funnily enough, I found that I don't even care. I still like the car because everything is functional and it runs excellent. I'll probably get around to painting it eventually, though. Vinyl wrap is an interesting idea
Aside from the atrocious fuel economy, there's hardly anything to go wrong with panther platforms. That could be said for a lot of famously reliable vehicles. The price of reliability is oftentimes old, fuel-thirsty technology.
Exception is the Prius. Ridiculously complicated but also ridiculously reliable. That is Anon Babbletism gone very, very right.
I love how leafs always confidently talk about anthing about america and are always 100% wrong about every aspect.
how about you shut the fuck up and stop telling people about their own fucking country
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
There was a time when I wanted one of those Crown Vics because you'd never get pulled over lol. I knew a dude who drove one and he said police would wave at him all the time thinking he was a fellow cop
Whats the alternative? Is Ford gonna move to Venezuela now? Is Chrysler moving to Ethiopia? is Chevy moving to Hindustan?
No all of these companies are going to stay where they are at and do what they are told because their market is HERE and not across the fucking planet.
With what fucking workforce and at what wages ?
You seem mad. Is it because you're a full blown mutt with a limited high school education?
boring bait, roll again bud
market is here
Anon your fucking going to be poor companies want a profit they will either
increase the price so much to make a profit
cut corners to which case chink shit looks cute
lobby the US bring back slavery or cur wages to increase growth
No all of these companies are going to stay where they are
100%. They'll stay exactly where they are, and pass costs along, and then plus some. They have a duty to pass profits to their shareholders, not lick the sweat off of Trump's balls like you are.
Selective tariffs work to an extent, and are legal within WTO.
The WTO should be abolished. Total globalist death.
Leafsplaining
sit down 51st, real Nations are talking
I'll probably get around to painting it eventually, though. Vinyl wrap is an interesting idea
I'd recommend a respray if you can pull it off. Car like that will do fine with some single-stage. It's cheap and it's no more prep work than a good wrap.
I'm only considering vinyl because I do signage as a hobby and have lots of experience with it, not to mention I just have a lot of it to spare. Also, I just don't have a garage to pull off a decent paintjob, but I can pull off a good wrap.
On the topic of vehicle sheeting and lulz, I kinda want to buy a tall roof cargo van, and just plaster the rear doors in solas tape. I'd even go as far as to make some perforated black reflective vinyl so that even the rear windows are reflective. That would be genuinely eye-searing to follow, let alone tailgate.
OR they will rebrand themselves and make cheaper vehicles that more americans can afford.
why would they keep pumping out luxury vehicles when the market doesn't exist?
ignores the key point
Where are you going to source and process antimony now? Israel needs it's 155mm
so only the poor are the ones who are being forced to save the very own corporations that abandoned them for higher profit margins and less benefits? incredible. the rich will buy whatever they want at whatever cost.
So now Leafs talking point is "israel NEEDS US, you cant just fuck us over"????
back to the drawing board brother, this aint it
I didn't say they wouldn't pass the cost on - that's a short-term guarantee - just that they'd try to reduce those costs, and by far the easiest method in the medium term is consolidating the plants.
Say a manufacturer bounces between two plants, one in leafland, one in Canada. Engine block cast in Canada, shipped across the border to the US for machining, shipped back to Canada for assembly, shipped across the border again to the US. Pre-tariff, sure, it'd be cheaper perhaps to have the components bounce.
Post-tariff, it'd be cheaper to just move the equipment, and if possible, the employees, to one plant. Your shock struts bounce between the plants six times. Let's say they didn't do that and just consolidated into one industrial park on either the US or Canadian side of the border. Congrats, you've cut the costs of the tariffs.
But wait! Final assembly is in the US of A! The cars are ASSEMBLED in the US OF A. So what does that mean? It means that the consolidated plant is likely to be in the US instead of in Canada.
Trump might be out in 4 years, but companies, being risk-adverse, know that they cannot guarantee that this will not continue to happen, let's say under a President Vance, or if a Democrat takes office in 2028, that a Republican in 2032 won't just put those tariffs right back on. It's safer and cheaper just to stay on one side of the border. Trump's goal is to make your shock strut company relocate to the USA for all of the stages of manufacturing.
gets rekked intellectually
resorts to being an ignorant mutt
I've seen this play before. You try and drag us down to your level of muttness, then beat us there with experience.
Not today shitskin. Arguments made, arguments solidified.
No you retard, it's implying that the kikes run your country you absolute fuckwit.
Again, as an example, where are you going to source and process antimony now? Or are you just going to suck up the +37% tariff on it?
so only the poor are the ones who are being forced to save the very own corporations that abandoned them for higher profit margins and less benefits? incredible. the rich will buy whatever they want at whatever cost.
Youre brown!
why would they keep pumping out luxury vehicles when the market doesn't exist?
50% of the consumption is done by the top 10% of income earners. That means households exceeding $250k are responsible for half of the spending while the 90% are literally sending all of their money to China and dropshippers through Temu and Amazon's TWGWTF brand knockoff widgets.
That's why automakers are catering to the rich. Everyone else couldn't afford it anyways so why bother? The same automakers are realizing that even the top 10% don't want to spend because investors are getting really spooked by market volatility.
I don't have a good paint booth either but I've seen a couple videos on vinyl wrap. It is actually pretty amazing what some people can do with that stuff, it's like an art form. I may seriously consider it. Thanks for the idea Anon
still trying to bait
yawn
I agree with you for the most part. There will be some consolidation, that's ineviable.
However
The cars are ASSEMBLED in the US OF A
Yes, but that's not true. The jobs in Canada in the auto-sector are assembly plants...
Chevy Silverados, Ford Edge, Civics, Lincoln, RAV4, Lexus RX
Yeah that'll work.
Okay we didn't raise prices
But here's a random fee you can't opt out of, for your convenience of course
And there's no consumer protection boards to stop us
Excluding any of the rest, tell me more about autarky and how critical minerals like antimony can now be sourced without additional cost.
Pretending to be racist and antisemitic doesn't bolster your argument.
Even in your hypothetical you wouldn't drive something through the US if it were to be tariffed, trains cost about the same as shipping anyway. There would surely be exceptions for mutually beneficial joint ventures and whatnot.
Most likely they'd change production methods, which is good. It hasn't been beneficial to have a product with parts made in 20 different countries Sounds great on paper "everyone doing what they're good at" has been absolute trash in practice.
I know you feel very smart; but you're the biggest retard in the room.
Yeah little bro the industry has never adjusted to meet the newest needs of the market. Surely they will keep pumping out expensive vehicles that nobody will buy just because of your graphs.
You're a fucking retard buddy. These car companies will bleed money until they catch up to the market and make cheaper vehicles. We should not support these companies supporting a market that isn't there just because "thats what we've always done"
I may seriously consider it. Thanks for the idea Anon
I'll have recommendations for that then.
Arlon is fairly affordable and the vinyl is okay. It is not very repositionable. I can't say for its longevity yet.
Orafol is expensive, but has really good air-release vinyl. Also better at repositioning.
3M probably has the highest stretch before it affects appearance.
Avery-Dennison is finicky but those films can get extremely thin. Great for racecars to shave every gram but you'll waste a lot just trying to get it to do what you want.
I actually saw one go for about $6,000 on Govdeals a few days ago, with almost exactly 40k miles on the odometer. The way I see it, for what they are, the Crown Vic is one of the most undervalued cars on the market today. Toyota Corollas and Camrys from the mid 2000s are probably on top of that list though.
Sorry, already bought a much better byd
do you fags really just tip for everything, like everything costs you more than it says on the tin? what a kiked life
because of these very specific circumstances YOU ARE REQUIRED TO NEED US
lmao no, we will find a workaround or stop using those objects. Its called ADAPTING you fucking retard, and why your economy will fail. You're very rigid and very reliable on very specific things to make your economy work. Americas economy will survive anything outside a meteor destroying the world.
All economies lead to America.
There would surely be exceptions
Yes, but there isn't. It's just blanket tariffs.
And again, for moving manufacturing, then there is re-tooling costs, hiring costs, training costs, building costs, risk costs, disruption costs, etc. All for a 3.5 year left presidency.
we will find a workaround
we will ADAPT
to a critical mineral
lmao
Keep deluding yourself into believing the world needs you. Main Character Syndrome doesn't work on a National Level.
the sun doesn’t revolve around america kid
America is the most powerful and influential nation in the history of Earth; so yes, it does.
we get it, you hate trump and america; so leave.
What car is this?
gm.com
Incorrect. I grabbed the first car on your list, and already I found this. Silverados are built in Canada, yes, there's a plant in Oshawa or something, but GM assembles a lot more cars and, more importantly, sells a lot more cars in the US, than they do in Canada.
The Civic is the one that's getting moved to Greenburg, Indiana, that Trump was making a big fuss about.
I think what you'll see is that consolidation will happen - in the US. A lot of plants will be consolidated, and more of them will consolidate in the US than will consolidate in Canada. Those consolidated plants will still sell parts across borders, to the final assembly/manufacture locations. So Canada will still get Made In Canada Silverados, and the US will still get Made In USA Silverados, but very likely both will use far more solely made in USA components.
He has yet to discover Copernicus
These car companies will bleed money until they catch up to the market
What'll likely happen instead will be similar to 2007 where they have to fire-sale the vehicles after they realize there are no more customers and the drastic increase in APR means that consumer buying power got slashed in half, if not more. People simply cannot afford the cars at their current price.
2008 won't repeat but it'll likely rhyme. Americans got addicted to the glut of large luxury vehicles and when the bubble popped, dealers couldn't sell the damn things even at half-off.
make cheaper vehicles
North American focused automakers don't really have cheap cars in development right now specifically for that market; the development cycle before a car even hits a showroom floor can hit upwards of a decade. American automakers have also ceded the budget car market to the Japanese and Koreans too. They'll probably federalize a global car and pawn that off to desperate American buyers.
lmao leafs think "witty banter" is a national defense strategy.
What memes are you going to hold up when Chinese soldiers shoot your family in the head? Poohbear?
MANUFACTURING PLANTS IN THE USA
You mean the final screw and last lick of paint is done in America.
both are corollas, mines a 2000's model. Looks awful, does A to B every day without complaint, gives multiple friendly warnings when some part needs replacing before failure.
Sit down fed boy. The more serious you take these threads the more you stand out.
Anon Babble isn't how any part of the world is going to be fixed; so chill out and have a drink and have a laugh buddy. Get the stick out of your ass.
Copied and saved, thanks again man
Civics are still being made in Alliston, Canada. I think it was the Mexican Honda plant that got moved.
the US will still get Made In USA Silverados, but very likely both will use far more solely made in USA components.
Economy of scale dictates that even this will drive up the price for both countries. It's inflationary at it's core.
It sure looks like it is from where I'm standing.
Sit down ex-empire, current empires are having conversations.
Maybe we'll let you lick some africans feet for Christ or something; we know you love that. Your pope does.
theyve been moving more and more to mehico every year. Then jacking up prices after.
Inflation that increases demand for domestic workers.(while we happen to be reducing the supply)
All economies lead to America
Without the petro dollar? Without the treaties of old? Without the weil of trust? How?
The UK will be Muslim-majority in 20 years. You will see what Islamic Banking without siting on a large oil deposit is like for the economy.
They'll probably federalize a global car and pawn that off to desperate American buyers.
this doesn't sound so bad to me desu
this doesn't sound so bad to me desu
Ask the Russians how much they liked Ladas
There is no "without", especially YOU Puerto Rico. Without American Dollar injection; half of the "first world" economies would slip into "developing" or lower because they produce nothing themselves.
What does Puerto Rico produce other than hurricane deaths?
if it sucks I won't buy
I'm not sure if that's what you are insinuating
increase the price so much to make a profit
Spoiler: That's exactly what they did last time.
2019 Federal Reserve study estimated that higher input costs from the 2018 tariffs reduced manufacturing jobs, relative to what it would have been without tariffs, and raised production costs for metal-based goods.
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This time has the added benefit of Red States scaring away all of their immigrants. But don't worry, they're going to stick it to the libs by making all of their children work in Texas slaughterhouses and Florida-heat farm plantat- fields. I, for one, will be so rustled...
I think it's called "character-building." More character for the "job creators" to exploi- employee.
of course the mindraped leaf is forced to mention russia at any moment. fucking pathetic five eyes faggot propagandist
No one buys new cars
Where are you going to source and process antimony now?
What a surprise! The answer is Greenland.
If shit gets real those 50,000 chugs will be paid off and/or sent to Hawaii while we set up operations there.
So don't worry, we will never run out of ammo.
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You speak a big game and yet here you are asking me questions you should already know yourself. See how retarded you are? You know nothing. You know less than me. That is how pathetic you are. You have no clue what is happening or why. You are just a cheerleader.
Thanks Don!
Corollas are the most reliable cars I've ever seen. Just checked out a 2005 today- pulled the plugs and it still had the original iridiums the factory installed in it. 120k miles and they still look new. Debating whether to even bother replacing them. Even the coolant and hoses have never been replaced and look brand new. I feel silly replacing shit that still looks immaculate but just for the sake of replacing things that are 20 years old I suppose I should
because the "new cars" are made for the luxury-consumer market.
if Ford came out TOMORROW with a 10,000 "base feature" family vehicle, it would sell like hotcakes. America doesn't need yet another "computer on wheels" vehicle, we need something with a radio/AUX, a sturdy body, and gets to A and B efficiently. Simple and Efficient is what made America great to begin with.
LongpostGuy (former Anon Babble mod that actually sold cars at a dealership and got to deal with people buying overpriced 29% APR cars they couldn't afford) doomposted for years about the auto loan bubble that was coming. I think Corona put a hold to that bubble popping, and then the post-'rona buying rush inflated that bubble even further. I'm not sure if that loan bubble actually exists, because he went dark in early 2020, and that was the last time he doomposted about the bubble.
You are definitely right about there not being any cheap cars in development, that's for sure. You can blame women and their addiction to jellybean crossovers killing off sedans.
All of you should read about his old stories, though. Tales from the dealership. He had a bunch of these stories about people buying cars they couldn't afford, with stupid APRs and shit credit.
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REDDIT RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING RETARD. GET OUT. GET THE FUCK OUT.
24% tariffs on Japan
This is insanely high
Should Japan attack pearl harbor again?
Yeah, hopefully American manufacturers seize the opportunity to try to take over the market with some simpler more reliable cars, its not like they're incapable of it. Obama had to give a massive incentive to destroy all the 80's american trucks and 90's cars. I don't think anyone has ever regretted buying a Toyota and Toyota has had exactly 0 bailouts from the US government(unless you count us helping japan with disaster recoveries) GM now has the deck stacked in their favor, hopefully they see it as a chance to save some reputation.
Calm down schizo, that's 4plebs. Not plebbit. You a bot or some shit?
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Here, have another nice story.
Japan surprise attacks Okinawa
How about stop posting stories like a fucking retard and speak for yourself?
nah
Yeah I think they overload them with electronics now. I never cared for the ridiculous amount of screens, and especially the software-based "upgrades" they sell you, like how BMW charges you a monthly fee for your heated seats to work or some shit. Fuck all that. I just like the good old fashioned DIN-stereo slot and a few buttons I can actually push that don't feel like a smart phone panel enclosed in a chamber of privacy-invasion horrors full of advertising tracking and eye-movement detection or whatever shit they have now
newfaggot doesn't know about LPG
Granted he was at his most notorious a decade ago at this point but still. Lurk moar faggot.
All those parts are worth literal pennies. The most expensive part of the car is the labor and assembling you small brained nigger
The Japanese are eternally cucked by the west. Even if they remilitarized and threw out the Americans, all their neighbors still hate them. There is nothing they can do.
Sorry but i have a real life and dont waste dozens of hours researching some faggot with retarded opinions
get laid queer
feminine have sex shaming tactics
on fucking Anon Babble
if anyone needed more evidence of your status as a fucking newfag there it is.
That cash for clunkers scam was such a shitshow, I remember hearing about some dude who let them buyback his old Toyota truck and then later saw it on some news footage being used in a middle-east warzone or some shit, complete with his company decal that was never removed. Crazy shit
Honestly, the Korean cars seem to be coming into their own lately… I like the way the new Elantra looks, as well as the 2020-2023 Sonatas. What are your thoughts on those?
Oh, look, a wannabe maths asian who fled china because he wasn't a real maths asian
Wow, what a sorry sack of shit that is. What would possess you to buy something like that?
Just seek a partnership with China and abandon the West and their incessable pursuit of destroying everyone else's culture.
Shaming? I was just acknowledging that you are a homosexual; homosexuals get laid every day.
also "muh newfag retort" is meaningless because saying you're an oldfag is a manipulation tactic. its trying to assert false-consensus.
Because, newfag, they're actually pretty good stories, that's one. Two, I've already spoken, there's possibly an auto loan bubble that's going to pop when the economy actually suffers a bit of that short term hardship and then all the women that bought these crossovers for $50k can't afford to pay the terms of their 84 month car note.
A Toyota Highlander has a starting MSRP of $39k. A 2WD Tacoma starts at $31k, a 4WD SR5 Tacoma goes for $41k. You have a shitty crossover going for just under the price of a 4WD pickup truck. Just from a utility standpoint, I think you can see that imbalance and disconnect.
We are going to see a situation where cars that never even had the utility to be worth as much as people paid for them end, up flooding the market due to repossessions, and that's the car sales armageddon that LPG started doomposting about almost a decade ago.
Imagine the brutal reprisal by Korea and China upon Japan without the auspices of the decaying US empire to ensure their security.
Not if they're made in America dumbass
Japanese company builds shit in say North Carolina
No tariff
POOto RAPEco
what is your culture again? can you give me a quick rundown of your "peoples" history?
If it's not broke, don't fix it.
(Except the timing belt. Change that. Do the water pump while you're in there.)
They absolutely will, there's no reason no to.
You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Do you own a car?
wall of text
its time to go back sis. a sure sign of low-iq is being incapable of being succinct. you're not capable of expressing your ideas in a smart manner; you just yap and blab
They specialized into features above all else. They have fancy pants featuresets comparable with cars $10k-$20k more expensive than they are but their chassis are floppy dogshit and their drivetrains are pretty unreliably and shitty. There's a reason they offer really competitive warranties on everything. Statistically you're going to need to use it sooner than later. Unless you're a woman featurewhore on a strict budget you'll be better off saving a few thousand more for a down payment buying just about anything $5k higher in stickerprice. The only compelling usecase I recognize for them is because of their unusually well featured setups for a given price, they're the cheapest and most consistent way to get into nonlocked down self driving systems with Comma ai.
yep, modern car software is fucking malware.
give me EFI, ABS, and throw everything else in the fucking bin.
"Lurk moark" is us tell you "Speak English Paco, I don't speak spic". Being an obnoxious newfag who refuses to learn the culture that came before you is very much like being a muzzie rapefugee in Germany screaming ficki ficki as he chases 8 year old german girls, or a spic wetback in California who can't even speak english.
You should use 4plebs. It'll give you an insight into how things were on Anon Babble before you showed up. Lemme guess, you came after 2019?
Newfag zoomer can't read either
Women buy overvalued cars they can't afford using jewish loans
This creates an economic bubble
If enough women lose their jobs - for example, during a recession - they will not be able to afford to keep these overpriced cars.
Clear enough, faggot?
Korea? Neither China or Korea will attack Japan at least not under Xi.
Older and richer than yours.
There's layers to how bad cash for clunkers was, I could bitch about it for hours.
The check was for the like exact price of a new Kia at the time, so didn't actually help domestic manufacturing. Didn't help the environment because it takes way more energy to build a new car than the potential fuel savings.
But I think the worst part is what was taken from lower middle class teenagers of following generations. Because, those were the cheap cars they were supposed to buy and destroy. That first dose of freedom at 16, able to pick your girlfriend up and just drive somewhere really far, maybe in the woods. The car they they have to try to fix with spray paint and bondo.
Instead they either have to wait until their older now or kick off a life of eternal debt starting with one of the worst types of loans out there, a car loan.
Not bad bud. I'd personally redoo the bonnet just to avoid serious rust (probably $200 tops).
Agreed Anon, that's part of what made life worth living as a high-schooler... being able to buy a cheap car and gaining some experience with bondo and mechanical work, and having the freedom to go places and it not being a big deal if you damage the car learning to drive
Thanks man, yeah, I was thinking of doing at least some sanding and spraying some primer on the rust in the meantime if it'll be a while before I do a proper paint job.. luckily I don't get much rain or moisture here.
You're thinking of a trade-in, not CfC. dude traded in his old work truck, and the dealership never removed the decals. Then glowniggers needed trucks to give to "moderate rebels", so his truck got to be the unlucky one getting sent to ISIS.
They specialized into features above all else. They have fancy pants featuresets comparable with cars $10k-$20k more expensive than they are
It's because Hyundai Kia group basically passes those discounts on to the actual Korean customer. I've heard the cars cost 20 to 30k more over there because Hyundai Kia group has a monopoly
Ohh yeah that, that's it Anon. Haha fuck... poor Mark
Cars already cost more than that in EU lol
I could bitch about it for hours.
Same here, anon. A horrible heartbreaking crime on so many levels.
I'd be using imagery if I was Mark.
Mark-1 Plumbing
"We'll do anything to get your plumbing fixed, ANYTHING"
or...
"We're declaring a Jihad against your clog"
All it needs is a decent rattle can paint job. With a compressor, harbor freight spray gun and some single stage paint it could be even better.
they're just going to sell them at a loss
This is what MAGA truly thinks.
Lol I just Google'd Mark-1 Plumbing. That's literally all his company reviews are now... People joking about them blasting clogs with the 50 cal and shit. Apparently the poor dude's life actually got turned upside down over this debacle
I know you make 5-10% profit cuts per car but you now need to minus 25% from that and you're not allowed to just charge more to offset it because I said so
If they really listened to him they'd just leave and the US car market would be only domestic cars. I guess good for the manufacturers but we all lose if they unironically are trying to force us all to drive what normally would be fleet car Chryslers unironically too shitty to legitimatelg compete with anything else.
Absolutely. I do some of my own car repairs to.
Potentially hire those from a hire company even, yeah its doable.
Donald "Lukashenko" Trump
Britbong you do release car dealers borrow money and don't actually own most of the lot cars? Standard car seller practice globally. Bank owns the cars.
Price controls lead to shortages.
Oh no! How will the public burn millions of gallons of gasoline and spew toxic chemicals into the air now???
How will Jamal do his drive-bys now?
How will the thots drive to their next gangbang orgy and get their nails did???
Camry hybrid
Yikes.
So no different than the average used car today?
A bong telling another country how to run a successful automotive industry
I could never get that for $30k around here. Would be at least $50k. stop bitching niggers
Potentially hire those from a hire company even, yeah its doable.
Indeed it is, anon.
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I once knew a chick from Norway. She had a nice ass.
thats cheap. and you can always keep using your current car
How about you stop being a little bitch instead?
there is good looking plump asses around, but they are reserved for whites only, sorry Amigo.
make me, beaner.
they're just going to sell them at a loss
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PffffhahahahahHhahahhahahahahah
Is that the price of the average game these days? This seems like a pretty easy game to make and the whole idea of it is stupid as hell, so I'd be shocked if it costs more than $200,000 to make
Do they intentionally make battery cars look stupid and faggy or what. Why can't they make them cool and based looking?
here that piece of shit car is like 70k +tip and we earn like 1/4 of what mutts do. I wouldn't be laughing in this specific case.
buy a car that's made in america.
pay no tariff.
why is pol incapable of grasping such a simple truth?
humilliation ritual
This entire yap sesh can be boiled down to "Jews bad, remove womens rights"
all of your qualifying and explaining dont add value.
A Model Y is unironically the better commuter.
Get fucked toyotards.
you guys actually drive those ugly toyotas?
Fpwp
Embarrassing