Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
Are bombs the only way to kill people?
Yes
after Russians occupied the territory, yes.
There were a few people killed on each side, over a few years. It could have went on for a century and still there would have been less russians killed than were killed in the 3 day SMO. The whole thing was to get Ukrainian resources for russian jewish "oligarchs" (organized crime capos), and to get that area for the russian chabadnics, as that area is sacred ground to them. And, it was payback for the Kievian Rus defeating the khazars, and the cossacks pogroming jews.
When Putin sends Muslim rape hordes to your country should we condemn you for bombing them?
Yes they did, and they shelled the pre-schools.
2014
Russians invaded Ukraine in 2022, not 2014, child murdering faggot.
Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
Yes. Ukraine gets more gibs if they are in a war so they kept trying to start one with Russia.
It worked if you think about it.
There are no ethnic Russian regions in Italy.
Crimea is not even close to Donbass, you stupid mutt.
This picture implies that Putin's family was bombed in Donbass, which is incorrect.
yes
lol lmao even
youtu.be
en.wikipedia.org
You want to link this, memeflaggot.
Russians invaded Ukraine in 2022, not 2014
Suddenly, proxy wars don't exist.
Well anon, it all started about 750years ago when prince igor the patient decided to plant an epic cabbage farm in the dneiper bend........
After russia invaded them and started killing Ukrainians, yes.
This. My gf is from Lugansk. She’s a crazy nationalistic Ukrainian, and even she admits the Russians in the Donbas were hated by native Ukrainians and fought with them.
Is this opposite day or something? Kolomoisky and Zelensky are already in charge of Ukraine.
Yes. The official Ukrainian stance after Donbass' declaration of idependence was that the entire population of 7 million or so are terrorists and Russian mercenaries. Your country is pro-Ukrainian, I'm sure your (((newspapers))) have promoted Kiev's genocide propaganda against the people of Donbass too.
checks out.
the "strong nationalists" are everywhere BUT in Ukraine doing their duty
Igor Girkin didn't exist, and if he did exist he wasn't in Donbas, and if he was in Donbas it wasn't during the first militant actions of the totally organic Donetsk peoples Republic, and if he was he didn't organize that attack on Siversk, and if he did it wasn't under Russian authority and if it was it wasn't with Russian soldiers and if it was then the Ukrainians deserved it for defending themselves after the fact
She left in 2014, as she was part of the maidan bullshit. But she told me that the conflict between native Ukrainians and Russians in the Donbas had been going on for years.
Igor Girkin didn't exist
he did
and if he did exist he wasn't in Donbas
he was
and if he was in Donbas it wasn't during the first militant actions of the totally organic Donetsk peoples Republic
factually correct
and if he was he didn't organize that attack on Siversk
and much more
and if he did it wasn't under Russian authority
it wasn’t
and if it was it wasn't with Russian soldiers
it wasn’t
and if it was then the Ukrainians deserved it for defending themselves after the fact
they deserve it for other reasons
yes ukrain started the war didnt you know trump said so like 2 days ago its almost like you dont follow him on Truth Social omg
Who cares what your clown king said?
meet the guy who set all this in motion
ukrain should NOT have started the war
no, putin said he was just kidding about that
Donbass natives are Russian, not Ukrainian. Even in the most remote incest villages the people speak Russian. Always have.
Yes here's proofs
There are many people who could not find Ukraine on a map prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Those same people believe the Western propaganda that nothing happened before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Telling the average moron about all the history prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine muddies the Western propaganda effort to simply blame Russia/Putin for everything
Come back home ivan stop evading draft
even the most remote incest villages the people speak Russian. Always have.
No, that's not true. Historically speaking the countryside, even in Russia east of the Donbas, spoke Ukrainian. Russian was more so the language of Urbanites in the Donbas.
No
Never believe anything that comes out of Russia's nigger mouth
Yeah, they bombed them, cut their ears off, raped them, shot them, all the bad things.
And they cut off water to crimea too.
I don't trust pictures of debris without passports of the people involved in it on the premisses.
Yes Ukraine was taken over by US based kikes in 2014 after decades of media subversion.
Yes
No, Kiev Kikes bombed Donbas for 5 months in 2014 before any Russian soldiers were reported in the area, thousands were killed.
This is widely known and acknowledged by both sides and numerous mainstream Western media outlets reported on this, yet nafoids continue to try to memoryhole it.
wouldn't you expect a 'crazy nationalistic ukrainian' to say they hate russians? i'd been more surprised if she said everyone got along and they actually really like russians.
our CIA-organized government overthrow good
your KGB-organized government overthrow bad
Essentially what every aspect of this war boils down to. I understand Americans who side with their Jews against Russian Jews, but Ukraine does so only because America pays better, despite sharing 90% of their culture, language, religion, heritage, and ethnicity with Russia.
Truly a nation of whores and racetraitors.
Donbas has been under attack by the Kiev regime since 2014
the donbass?
it's fucking Welsh clay anyway, the slav mongols should stop fucking it up an give it back to Taff.
Givi is a gypsy and the the POWs he's humiliating are people from the Donbas.
*was
They did not.
But somebody did:
youtube.com
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haha he looks like gyppo
okay i take call sign “Givi”
haha your unit is poorly equipped, looks like fucking Somalian pirate ragtag warband
okay our unit is now called “Somali”
while you were laughing, he was kicking ass and taking names irl
keep laughing, he once said, that even if they (him and Motorola) are gone, others will come to replace them
a little bit too late, but replacements did finally come on a cold morning Feb 24th, 2022
The area had independent western observers from 2014-2022. They reported large scale persecution of Russians by independent ultranationalist militias including bombings. They also wrote essays about how those militias were exerting a growing influence on Ukrainian schools and politics which led to banning the Russian language.
After 2022 it's hard to confirm anything and actual reports were minimized in favour of propaganda narratives.
while you were laughing, he was kicking ass and taking names irl
Yeah how did that work out for him? You should start paying attention.
It wasn't
Lie more, pidor.
CIA-organized government overthrow
Didn't happen. No amount of reposting that Victoria Nuland soundbyte will change that. Millions of Ukrainians overthrew their oppressive regime. Russia had to send tens of thousands of Rusnigger invaders into Donbas in 2014 because the locals literally refused to fight a war against their government.
At least 8 months.
This
Rusnigger invaders into Donbas in 2014 because the locals literally refused to fight a war against their government
Correct, that's why Girkin retreated from Slovyansk because the locals didn't want to join him
Didn't happen.
This kind of naivity will inevitably bite you in the ass. It was completely transparent while it was happening. Glownigger retards even maintained the position that this 2022 conflict wasn't a proxy war funded by the west until like a year ago but now that's completely forgotten and you all pretend it was common knowledge.
I’m making the point that ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians fought with each other, in the Donbas, prior to 2014.
They crucified that poor donbas child too.
No. The Donbas is a mix of Ukrainians and Russians, which is why this shit all started. She speaks Ukrainian and Russian, and she gets mad when I call it “the Ukraine,” as it implies it’s a borderland of Russia and not a sovereign state. The saddest part of this conflict is that the Russians and Ukrainians are sort of like cousins. In contrast, the jews and Palestinians are bitter enemies who share little cultural history.
she gets mad when I call it “the Ukraine,” as it implies it’s a borderland of Russia and not a sovereign state
How does it imply that?
lie
oh you don’t believe me?
pity, but it doesn’t really matter, sovereign states execute their agenda never the less
we believe that hohols deserved punishment for their heinous transgressions - and so they did
You need more info.
When it came out that Ukraine was the ones who assassinated Givi and Motorola and not the FSB is when I stopped supporting Ukraine.
Yeah how did that work out for him?
pathetic wretch, he literally explained his utility function and you’re too complacent to comprehend it
Yes. I used to watch Kreosan videos and it was 100% a war zone before the war "started".
Would Russians lie to you? youtube.com
honestly, im not entirely sold still
Poroshenko could’ve been just yapping for the ratings
wouldn’t put it past the FSB niggers to remove a charismatic leader
you’re too complacent
No U and I'm not joking.
retard
Your government literally killed that retard. Hope he suffered in his last moments, the subhuman, shitskin piece of shit traitor.
Because that’s what the name Ukraine literally means, anon.
picrel is what he was striving for, using an analogy
your castrated worldview prevents you from ever comprehending his life goals
I love this song.
Ukrainian nationalists are weird man. They think history is an attack on their stupid culture.
The NY times wrote a big article about how they did it.
nytimes.com
Your government literally killed that retard
true
Hope he suffered in his last moments, the subhuman, shitskin piece of shit traitor
but incoherent, if what he was doing is bad, shouldn’t i be glad for his suffering?
no
What is this supposed to inform me about? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Do you think the conflict between Russia and Ukraine started in 2014? It did not. Nigger Obama sent oil companies to Ukraine in 2008, and they wanted to “help build oil infrastructure” for the Ukrainians, which is a main reason why Russia annexed Crimea and its Black Sea oil rights. This shit has been happening since the restructuring of the former Soviet Union, since its fall in the 90s, if we’re being honest.
Im asking why is 'the ukraine' bad but just 'ukraine' on its own is fine?
Whats so bad about 'the'.
Should the UK be arguing to just be called UK?
oh fuck
It implies it’s merely “the borderlands” of Russia, rather than a sovereign nation of Ukraine. It’s retarded, but nationalistic Ukrainians get butthurt about it. Just like calling it Kiev instead of Kyiv.
Do you think the conflict between Russia and Ukraine started in 2014? It did not. Nigger Obama sent oil companies to Ukraine in 2008,
Catherine the Great overthrew, Peter III in 1762.
Assuming he didn't die instantly he probably realized what you will too at some point.
Kek. “The earth began cooling 700 billion years ago.” Fair point. All conflicts go back longer than people living even remember.
That is weird and annoying.
If someone said 'United Kingdom' or 'the United Kingdom' we dont get upset over it.
I refuse to acknowledge any of these new country changes.
The Czech republic now wants to be called Chechnya.
Turkey wants to be called Turk Eye.
Why change shit to be more gay for no reason?
The word "Ukraine" comes from an old slavic word which basically just means "border region". Some Ukrainian nationalists claim other stuff, but it's apparently not widely accepted by slavic philologists. They think that putting the word "the" before "Ukraine" legitimizes the older translation.
Yeah, I thought it was the FSB too until I saw that. Fuck Ukraine and the CIA.
youtube.com
he probably realized what you will too at some point
goto1 you’re lagging behind, 4th Reich should have been about space fascism
not that you are capable of it, americans at least have the space force, what do you have?
nothing
Think of British vs English, then.
Czechia, not Chechnya.
Curious, how do you cope with the fact that your country's leader literally killed millions upon millions of your own kind and still stay patriotic? I've not heard anything of the like happen in Europe, dying fighting for your country's interests is one thing, some honor in that, but being culled like useless dogs should probably dent your national identity.
If someone said 'United Kingdom' or 'the United Kingdom' we dont get upset over it.
It's even dumber than that. Imagine getting mad over the way some Chinese person translates "The United Kingdom" into Chinese. Fuck it, I still say Burma too, I'm not going to keep up with what countries have decided everyone needs to call them.
Britain and England are two different places but if you mixed them up we wont cry about it or be offended.
>Czechia, not Chechnya.
Maybe they should have googled to see if someone already had the name.
Yes. In civil war you bomb enemies of the nation, just like in other wars. Big shocker. The russia didn't like it when the insurgency they backed didn't work out.
Yes they did and they tried to cut Crimea fresh water supply. Ukrainians were flexing and asking for it.
“age of great men” has died with the XX century. Donbas heroes were a nice respite, but still
killed millions upon millions of your own kind
elaborate a bit
Ah yes Burma is a good one.
there has been a terrible earthquake
where
myanmar
grandma?
myanmnar
mar a lago? Is trump OK
No myanmar
nyan cat?
Burma
Ohhh Burma. Why didnt you say that retard.
how dare they not want to be our subjects
Pidors invaded in Crimea and lied it's not their soldiers.
They invaded Donbass while lying it's not their soldiers again.
2 jews are in ukrainian government so the president of the russia can't be a jew being puppeted by even more established jews who have ruled the russia since the soviet union
Niggerfaggot.
Yes, it had
dare
we’re long past the point of caring for what the ukrainians want, brother
Stalin.
Britain - England
You’re a reasonable anon. I’m sure you have countrymen who are not so reasonable.
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and then they received bombs back
sucks to suck
The photo that was the real call to action was the woman who died with her baby in her arms. It's been memory holed so many times. All I remember is her name was the same as a pop star, like Madonna or something.
And you really have to go out of your way to shell a town so unsuspecting that women are walking the streets with their children. They knew exactly what they were doing.
digits compel me to check, but know that I do it out of duty
that does not pertain to current Russian government
state your grievance with the current war
Z
those of us with above room temperature IQ are watching the war for one thing, because that will be the only way we will defeat globalist faggotry once and for all. Treaties, courts, debate, even reasoning is a all fruitless at this point. Sorry, brothers or not, they chose their fates.
ahahaha crazily nationalistic tenthousand miles from home eh
Why havent you been dragged off the street and sent to die in a ditch? Russia has owned Sevestipol for hundreds of years, they were always in Crimea.
stop invading yourself!
Ukraine owned Belgorod for hundreds of years, no wonder Moscow regime started a civil war against Belgorod People's Republic there.
Can you provide any proof that Ukrainians were killing ziggers on their land or whatever the justification for this whole war was? I've been looking but have yet to find any.
You seem very patriotic, why haven't you joined the army yet?
Go fuck yourself, you didnt look for shit.
UN HRC 32nd report page 13-14
3000 dead civillians and attacks increasing 369% as soon as Biden took over.
Link? I googled and it said nothing about ziggers or ukros, regardless, what were the ziggers doing abroad anyhow? I've personally put 3 ziggers into jail after calling them little faggots and provoking them to a fight, you don't see Russia coming after me.
If I just handed you military grade weapons, would you suddenly just reflexively use them against your own government even if you had no major grievance with it?
no amount of proving me wrong will prove me wrong!!!!
her name was the same as a pop star, like Madonna or something
I bet this was how the event transpired:
Hey Ivan, you know any American names for our Facebook shill post?
One second, let me go through my burned CD collection of western music.
"Madonna - Material Girl"
Perfection
Being a russian shill truly is a mental illness.
The thing I get from this is hang Obama and Biden from a tree. Hilary. Clinton. Deepstate troons. Deepstate kikes. Kill Niggers, Behead Niggers Die Die Die.
On the day Russia invaded Jewlensky was sending the nazi groups into the donbas to force their children into approved education where they would not learn about their history with Russia or the Russian language on behalf of the US state department that installed him. There is no good guys here.
Why are you a lying tranny faggot piece of shit?
Jewlensky was sending the nazi groups into the donbas to force their children
Holy shit, he wasn't even a president back when pidors invaded in 2014.
You literally need to be mentally retarded to repeat pidor propaganda. I'm so sorry about your braindamage, anon.
Ukraine and Russian war is a fake conflict devised by Jews to clear up Ukraine land for their secondary Israel in Europe
Can you provide any proof
I’m not in a business of convincing you
filled an army if you disagree
otherwise move on
It literally states ''15 people killed'' what the fuck are you raving about? With such metrics damn near any country is eligible to take over another, also I didn't lie about the 3 russians, they went to jail and I laughed my way back home. They were tiny and unable to harm me, I just kept pushing them around as the police officers drove next to us and collected them, kek!
Get your dates checked shill.
Makes sense if you remember Jews fuck everything up and get punished by God.
major escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War, which had started in 2014.
So you don't even read the link you post.
Literally retarded. I'm so sorry about your mental deficiency.
It wasnt an invasion before hand. And the main point is Ukraine went to war with its own people first.
It clearly says 3092 dead from 2014 to 2021, you fucking troon
So when another country starts shelling their neighbors from across the border, send soldiers and annexes territories it's not an invasion yet. I got you, big boy. You don't need to show the level your retardation, I believe it's quite deep.
Why are you a lying tranny faggot piece of shit?
NTA but I actually looked on the UN digital library and wasn't able to find that report. I don't know why. Check it out digitallibrary.un.org
You need to read more thoroughly. That's the number of people killed specifically between February 1st and March 31st of 2021. Near the end of page 14 it says:
During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 July 2021, OHCHR recorded a total of 3,092 conflict-related civilian deaths
I found it. Apparently her name is Kristina Zhuk. They called her 'The madonna of Gorlovka' after the fact I guess. It been like 10 years so the memory is a bit off. You can look it up.
The documentation clearly says invasion started in 2022. And Ukraine was at war with its own people before that.
This. Out-and-out bold-face lying about is will only cause more pain and loss for all parties involved. The amount of functional loss of political power alone is immeasurable.
The documentation clearly says
You didn't even read the first sentence of your own wiki link, you retard.
Maybe you should have thought about that before you held your anual NAZI parades
anual NAZI parades
Wait, no more jews this time? I think you forgot that specially for Anon Babble we are not nazis, we are jews.
how many arabs and niggers have you gone after?
Ukraine went to war with its own people first.
Single greatest deception of all time since the holocaust was framing this as russia vs ukraine and not ukraine vs ukraine. Its a cockfight, russia ran in and kicked our chicken, we didn't do shit about it and the apocalyptic screeches and coping over it echo into the absent-of-ukraine-plane skies to this very day like the shrieks of the damned. This is some Dante's Inferno shit man, unreal.
She's kike, okay?
Your government was attacking people for not wanting to be their subjects anymore, Russia helping defend them is not an act of aggression.
I was joking that the civil war ended when Russia invaded. None of my friends got it and I realized they were all going to be posting #Ukraine on their social media like a bunch of fucking retards.
Moscow regime is attacking Kursk People's Republic and Belgorod People's Republic, Ukraine must help native Ukraine population in BPR and KPR because Moscow wants to genocide them.
The absolutely lamest shit they've pulled here in Scandinavia is renaming Hviterussland (lit: White Rus Land) to Belarus (lit: White Rus) "in support to the political opposition and to distance it as a separate country from Russia".
jews in the us state dept installed a jew president after a jewish coup and the jew killed your nazis by putting them on the front line.
hope that clears this al up for you.
Exactly. George Soros spent 100 million dollars on things like giving kids new textbooks telling them how opressed they were and every thing bad is because Russia bad from 1991 to 2010. Just like he did for BLM. Then when civil breaks out he buys up land for pennies on the dollar.
True especially for the Welsh or Scottish.
But even those people arent looking to change the names of countries. They just get a bit upset when people forget they exist.
The only name change in the last 20 years that I agree with is the Gulf of America because that makes more sense now (Mexico and the USA are part of America).
Kursk Peoples Republic
pathetic
this is how a people’s republic citizen looks like
lol we English wouldn’t mind but jocks and Welsh would whinge about being referred to as English
No, you posted Moscow regime soldier who wants to genocide Kurskian people. This is why you have a civil war there.
Ukraine doesn't even claim that is why they are attacking into Russia. I don't think there are even sizable Ukrainian minorities in those regions. If there actually were large populations of Ukrainians in those regions that wanted independence, I think Russia would have hard a much harder time retaking Kursk and defending Belgorod. Launching a counter offensive into enemy territory during a war is a different moral question than supporting an independence movement.
no one in your picrel serves
this is how and why you’ve lost, Taras
Moscow regime always hated Kurskian and Belgorodian people, everyone knew a civil war will start there.
Ukraine will help Belgorodian militia to fight against the Moscow regime occupation of their country.
Are they recruiting shills from mental institutions in ukraine now?
What is the point you are trying to make? I'm trying to find any evidence that Ukraine ever even claimed to be supporting independence movements in those regions and I can't find any. Are you saying that the DNR and LPR never actually existed either? That's a pretty tall claim, I'd want to see some serious evidence to counter the mountain of evidence that they did.
You probably have to have something severely wrong with you to be conscripted in Ukraine and not sent to the front. That or he's underage.
Yes they did.
Because traitors should be put down.
Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
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there is an entire SURREAL, WELL MADE documentary by VICE™ basically cataloguing the entire war
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I saw Ukrainians units arty’ing apartment blocks purely to cause terror. They never hit a rebel.
Putin uses excuses to bomb others and take by force instead of negotiating when he had the chance. Ukraine fought back against the violent separatists who started to clash violently in protests while being armed by Russia, as anti-protestor Russians, who protested against the Ukrainian protestors who clashed against the pro-Russian puppet in office who refused to do the will of it's constituents and move towards pro-European legislation and instead favored pro-Russia efforts, and who also used violence to quell them until he resigned and they elected a new leader. The Russian supporters will always stop short of the history. Lets not forget how Russia historically fills taken land with 'citizens' to hold claim like they did by sending Ukrainians to the Japanese Islands. I swear the American shills would agree that China Town in the USA must belong to China with the arguments they give.
Putin is also calling for another conscription, drafting another 160,000 more soldiers. I guarantee they aren't happy to go. At least they're making more room in the prisons.
Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
Yes, they shelled rebels (or "rebels") shooting at them from inside cities.
Fuck off discord tranny
drafting draftees
Yes troon, 160,000 are replacing the 160,000 who reported for duty last year and are finishing up thier term.
None of whom were ever deployed to ukraine.
If this war has taught us anything, it's that Ukrainians are a bunch of boring psychopaths with no sense of empathy and an incredibly repetitive sense of humor.
Putin is also calling for another conscription, drafting another 160,000 more soldiers.
Russia does annual conscription even during peacetime. The conscripts won't be sent to fight in Ukraine. Conscription means that military bases don't need to be staffed entirely by volunteer contract soldiers, so they can send a larger portion of their contract troops to fight.
I guarantee they aren't happy to go.
Nobody likes being conscripted. Conscription sucks. Even the Finns don't like it.
Russian never threw anyone in a van and shipped them off to die inna ditch
Came to them in a dream
None of whom were ever deployed to ukraine.
The conscripts won't be sent to fight in Ukraine.
pidor shills working
Its funny how ukrainian faggots think they can win a war by lying on the internet
yes
twitter screenshot
That and four nickles will get you 20 cents. Even if everything that pic says is true, there is no reason to believe he didn't die in Kursk or Belgorod, so it doesn't prove your point.
That's what I really don't get. Ukraine is obviously going to lose at some point within the next two years, why the hell do they keep trying to pretend everything is fine?
Did the ukraine really bomb the people in the donbass?
Constantly for years
Чypкy нe жaлкo, пycть вce чypoк oтпpaвят нa фpoнт
No, 25 people a year died.
Watch this video OP. Made shortly after the war started.
The part at the end missing subtitles is the former Ukrainian president saying they will win this war because Ukrainian children will go to school while children in Donbass will live in basements.
files.catbox.moe
3092 dead civillians from 2014-2021
this is 25/year
Trans math
And yes, there were very few deaths under Trump because he made them stop fucking around. As soon as Biden took over the shelling resumed.
Russians lived in that territory hohlorat
Even your own soldiers openly say people there can’t wait to see their backs
which is why this shit all started
Oh yeah, it totally was just shit that started somehow naturally, even though there were no major signs of any kind of ethnic conflict before Crimea and FSB fuckery in what was then called "Malorossiya" (a failed East-South annexation project). Totally not because Donbas got invaded when Putin annexed Crimea easily as stage 1 of plan B after failing to turn Ukraine into another puppet state like Belarus, continuing cultural genocide (does anybody at all speak Belarussian outside of vanishing settlements populated by the elderly and losers?). It's peculiar how nothing starts where NATO is. Latvians keep their russians on a tight leash and continue de-russifying their culture--no war. Hmm.
Most russians got there after the Bolshevik hunger genocide. Not even close to being natives, just tourists who will all be repatriated back to their glorious shithole(s) after russia falls apart a-la 1991.
How corrupt do you have to be to sell your military arsenal and leave your country defenseless. No wonder Zelenski has to travel the world twerking for bullets.
pbs.org
A Ukrainian parliamentary inquiry concluded that between 1992 and 1998, Ukraine lost $32 billion in military assets, in part through theft, discount arms sales and lack of oversight. (In comparison, Ukraine's spending on legal arms for defense in 1999 is estimated to have been $500 million.) Many of the missing weapons found their way into the hands of willing buyers in hot spots around the globe, from Sierra Leone to Croatia. And as these arms proliferated, so did evidence of international criminal networks that sold arms from Ukraine in flagrant violation of international sanctions and embargoes.
Theft and corruption in the military facilitated the flow of illegal weapons from Ukraine. It was also facilitated by forged or falsified end-user certificates, the export documents that are supposed to record the final recipient of an arms shipment. The ease with which arms shipments moved through official channels has led many observers to conclude that prominent Ukrainian officials were involved in the deals. In a 1999 report on Eastern European arms dealing, Human Rights Watch concluded that export-control authorities in the region were accepting arms brokers' documentation without question, either through "complicity or incompetence." Other observers say responsibility goes straight to the top of the Ukrainian government. Writing in The Christian Science Monitor, Ukrainian political scientist Taras Kuzio said, "High-level Ukrainian officials, if not directly dealing arms, are reportedly either smoothing the path for sales or at least looking the other way."
Id didn´t know that the donbass was on crimea you dumb cunt
Yes, they wanted to eradicate Russians at the command of Zelensky AKA Hitler
Russians FOUNDED those cities you lying subhuman
That´s just a lie, thankfully you faggots are loosing so you can go on and pretend to be an expert on antoher homosexual american color revolution and stop making shit up about ukraine and russia
And thats another thing that pissed Russia off. The canal to Crimea took 15 years to build and was an engineering marvel. Blowing it up destroyed 300,000 acres of farmland any all the industry that needed water. 1 million people were displaced and Russia was spending a couple billon a year there in aid.
Pretty sure if Panama blew up the canal the USA would push thier shit in too
I’m not even exaggerating
every single city you see in news in the context of fighting was founded by Russian Empire
that’s why this region is called Novorossiya (New Russia), it was empty steppe that was conquered and civilized by Russian state from 18th century onward
only reason why these regions ended up in “Ukraine” is retarded Bolsheviks giving away land to Soviet republics in order to fight “Russian chauvinism”
and to make things even funnier - “Ukrainians” draw some fake legitimacy from Zaporozhian Cossack polity, but this schizophrenic strain of Ukrop nationalism you see now has nothing to do with Cossacks, it’s a phenomenon originating among Ruthenian peasants brainwashed by Austrians in 19th century
they are as “Cossack” as I am
probably. they proudly parade around their attacks on civilians all the time
You mean on paper? Like the myth that Katya created Odesa, while in reality there already was a developed settlement that attracted investment and labor naturally, with russians taking all the credit for labor of people of the region? Yawn. Kyivan statehood established what became moscow, so, fuck us for making such a retarded mistake.
Ukrainian wewuzery is hilarious. Tell us about how you made all of the Soviet Union's good equipment and how you guys won WW2 single handedly too n' shiet.
Kyivan statehood
Novgorod was older than Kiev you dense nigger, for start, and second yeah, Russians founded Odessa, and Mariupol, and Kherson, and Donetsk, and Lugansk, and Ekaterinoslav and many others
two mudhuts existing in the vicinity of some future city don’t matter
Did the school textbooks that George Soros "donated" tell you that. I almost feel sorry for you brainwashed twats convining yourselves the USSR opressed you and you didnt actually fucking run the place.
I love this retarded fantasy of russian imperialists. Something happened while russians were in control of a territory--they are 100% credited with it! Never mind that russians a retards. The sooner a country leaves russia's sphere of influence, the better it does long term. Look at every single ex Warsaw pact country. Ohh, the mighty USSR created so much, such riches! But, as soon as the places are westernized, their prosperity outpaces russia's and they start living like humans and not russoid oligarch slaves.
We deserve some wewuzery, anon. Look at how our country is doing against a much bigger enemy that has so many advantages, but can't win the war. If our populations were equal, we'd already be renaming streets in moscow.
they are 100% credited with it
no, it was Ruthenian peasants living in Austria and Poland who were the main urban planners and industrial magnates of Russian Empire
LOL
Look at how well we are doing in this war! Just read it in the CIA funded Kiev Post, its in black and white!
two mudhuts
That's how every settlement that grows into a metropolis starts. Russians didn't create any of our cities in any way other than on paper and in your tiny head. And Novgorod doesn't have anything to do with russia. It wasn't russia. When russia invaded and conquered it, it destroyed Novgorod, slaughtered its elites, enslaved the population. Novgorod has been dead for centuries. Moscow, to this day, has no claim on Novgorod statehood.
We built and developed our cities under Kyiv, under Lithuania and Poland, the russian empire, the USSR etc. The cities would have been built regardless, you just fundamentally don't understand economics and history. It would have been far better without russians, obviously. Their influence is always backwards.
No, but they're convenient because you can kill a lot of people, even if they are inside a building, from far away. They have the added effect of making buildings and equipment unusable.
The reason why ukraine put up the worst defense in the history of warfare was a generation loss of military experience. As soon as they got independence they stole everything that wasnt bolted down. This left thier troops nothing to train with and the mechanics had nothing to repair and no tools to do it with. When your military spends 25 years watching football and drinking vodka readiness really takes a hit
Look at how our country is doing against a much bigger enemy that has so many advantages
I am looking, and you're not doing so hot. You have the 5th largest army in the world and the 8th largest military budget, and you've been handed massive amounts of aid and some of the bet weapons in the world, along with stupid levels of intelligence support, and you can't even hold the line against a country a military budget that is less than the value of just the direct military aid you've received, in spite of that country not even sending conscripts to the front. They're literally beating you without breaking a sweat, and you're acting tough because you keep getting propped up by other people to take another beating.
but can't win the war.
Russia will win within the next two years or so. Your brigades were already operating at half strength 6 months ago.
If our populations were equal, we'd already be renaming streets in moscow.
If your populations were equal you'd have a population density comparable to fucking India. You would have already collapsed internally because the aid money wouldn't be able to support your whole population.
The reason why ukraine put up the worst defense in the history of warfare
pair that with ludicrous and suicidal "nato training" and you get a recipe for the most humiliating defeat of all time, given the outlandish and unprecedented propaganda campaign that accompanied this war
you can't even hold the line against a country a military budget that is less than the value of just the direct military aid you've received
Uh oh. You should stick to narratives, anon. You're much better lying about story than fact. Because russia almost outspends the whole of Europe, adjusting for purchasing parity. We don't have more money, more people, more weapons. We have more drones, we're smarter, but that's about it. The levels of support haven't been as high as you assume, really.
Look at Kursk. 60,000 dead for no strategic gains. Every time they went up against the Russian army they lost so they decided to launch an offensive against women and children and still lost.
NATO still doesnt have fiber optic drones and the russian forces have advanced jamming systems now. Thats why Zelinski is now targeting Moscow apartment buildings.
We have a few drone companies that make fiber fed drones but there hasnt been enough bribe money paid to our politicians for contracts to be awarded yet.
Russian 155mm shell : 600$
NATO 155mm shell: 6,000$
You really are a piece of shit
A piece of shit for explaining purchasing parity adjustment? Lol, lmao.
>and if it was it wasn't with Russian soldiers
it wasn’t
captured russian troops:
bbc.com
also:
According to Russian former prime minister of the DNR Alexander Borodai, 50,000 Russian citizens had fought for separatist forces by mid 2015
best of all, putin himself admitted it:
Putin said, “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.”
can we stop lying about Russia being involved in the separatist "movements" now?
Of course they were. Russia was fighting for russians and the CIA was funding Kiev so they could kill all thier people and steal all thier land.
You should stick to narratives, anon
Unlike you I'm not a shill. I'm not compelled to stick to narratives. I'm interested in the truth, and the truth is that you are losing and it's not because Russia is richer and bigger than you.
Because russia almost outspends the whole of Europe
That doesn't have any bearing on what I said.
We don't have more money
You spent 65 billion USD on your military in 2023, and Russia spent about 109 billion usd on their military. You received about 120 billion usd in direct military aid though. You are still losing men, materiel, and land at an unsustainable rate. You will lose within the next 2 years.
We have more drones
Ukraine uses lots of drones to compensate for the fact that you guys suck at electronic warfare and don't have adequate artillery fire support. It's not because drones are better, it's because you fucking suck at fire support.
we're smarter
Man, I've met Ukrainians, pull the other leg, it's got bells on it. You guys can't pull off maneuvers when we literally give you a map through the minefields to an area guarded by teenage conscripts, some of whom didn't even have guns. You've fucked up every offensive you've launched while Russia was able to move so many units into your territory that they got into a massive traffic jam, and you retards couldn't even exploit that, they just fixed the traffic jam themselves and left. You're literally worse at attacking than the people who got stuck in a giant traffic jam for like a week during an offensive. Your offensives aren't even distractions to the Russians, they took ground more quickly while you were throwing your lives away in Kursk than they did before you launched your retardskrieg.
The levels of support haven't been as high as you assume
Maybe if you stopped driving the tanks we give you into mines we'd give you more of them.