Why has every single consumer good gotten shittier?

You can still buy window units that last forever. The shitty Chinktech wall mounted ones are always dogshit.

Air conditioners are for third worlders.

A buys expensive AC in 1980

B buys cheap AC in 1980

B’s AC died in 1990

A’s AC still runs

”Wow, old ACs were so much better than modern ones!!!”

Survivorship bias

The ductless ones are a lot quieter less trashy looking though

That's not really an appt comparison. The window units have less problems compared to the ductless because of the design

Those older window units are legit crazy. My father lives in a pier and beam house built in the 30s, no insulation, he has one window unit from 1990 that cools his entire house, even in Texas summer. I think it was like $70 at kmart lol

The government keeps forcing them to use shittier refrigerants every 5 years.

Survivorship bias

Not wrong.
Old GE window units, however, were true beasts. Got a 40 year old 16,000 BTU that will kill you with hypothermia if you set it to "Coldest".

survivorship bias would only count if both versions of AC units were exactly the same, with the exact same insides, and the same conditions.

Cheap shit is cheap shit for a reason.

I think the ductless ones kinda look more trashy because now you have a giant glossy plastic think rectangle hanging on your wall rather than something you can remove.

Does anyone actually have these? I heard they suck at heating even though they are marketed as such.

Does anyone actually have these? I heard they suck at heating even though they are marketed as such.

Got one myself in the living room. Randsond.
It's strictly meh but very energy efficient.
As a AC it's fine. As a heater I only use it as a bridge between early fall and firing up the gas furnace.

This is a good argument, but things are shittier now though because everything is designed to last 3-4 years.

What happened to our flags? I can only see non nation flags

Propane works almost as well as freon. Wouldn't be the best for cars I suppose, but I don't see much of a problem for house A/C.

Because intuition and experience beats education and academia

That image
Kek.

It was the ozone layer getting rekt.

Why has every post become directly or even undirectly about tariffs? I will tell you the answer. It is because Trump is Putin's puppet. Don't forget the Steele dossier.

Two words
Chinks and Jews

Planned obsolescence

Lives in a frozen waste land
I bet you like heaters though and refrigerators , right dummy

Imbecile bias

one on right way is cheaper to buy/install and doubles as heater. lmao

Doesn't old AC use ammonia used in commercial freezer instead of R-134a in modern ones?

Because they were too good in the first place. Every time you sell a product that makes a customer feel like they got a good deal, you're leaving money on the table. The more information companies get about the market, the more everything on offer will trend towards being just barely tolerable. Entertainment, appliances, cars, everything.

ac makes me sick

the invisible hand of the market fixed everything, as it always does

Freon

Consumer country being forced by labor and tax laws to become a non-producer and capitalism with inflation driving up cost has caused consumer goods to drop in quality so that you will buy more when they break. Quality stopped in 2008 when fake economy failed and mass importing of thirdies began to offset their projections that every USD tied currency would fail by 2013, it will never recover in any country which started importing migrants to offset its failed fake currency not tied to real value.

american product produced by an american company based on american patents, designed by americans, but built in CHYNA according to american specifications, using materials selected by americans, following american blueprints so the american corporation can maximize profits so they can pay their american shareholders and pay taxes to the american government

"mmmfffbbrll... jyna did dis"

inflation, shrinkflation, and shitflation
they used all 3 as a way to deal with the insane money printing after the fake pandemic

I just drove in a '48 Chevy pickup, and it has no problems.
my 97 Chevy keeps giving me electronic issues.
I want John titor to send me back

Window units aren't a thing in the UK. We're not even allowed dual hose air conditioning (because the EU says so). We either have to spend £3k+ for an air conditioning system or put up with an incredibly inefficient portable a/c unit. It sucks here in the UK, and normies turn their nose up to people with air conditioning, because they think it's better to suffer 4 months of misery.

You can thank the stupid ozone hole hysteria.

Suffering builds character.

Product companies want to make great products. Finance bros that control them just want more money.

If you make a good product that people only buy once then you go out of business once everyone owns one.
The key is to make a shitty product that is guaranteed to break but only after the warranty is up.

Cute.
If what you said were true, it'd be a non issue.
Not a bad effort, for a leaf-poster

If it comes to that point, you sell matience or you sell heaters next.

You guys use air conditioners? I thought it was too cold in Sweden

Cumskins begin to sweat anytime the temperature goes above 60F

Yeah pretty much.
10°C is ideal
15°C is a bit too hot

Because moneeeey, duh. You retards will buy it anyway so fuck you. lol

The irony is that you believe that left is better than right.

Imagine actually believing this.

(You) are part of the problem.

It's basic chemistry that can be demonstrated easily in any lab.

Use American you fucking commie

Using Celsius is better when discussing machines. Embrace both. Stop being useless

I guess that consumerism isn't a good idea after all.

That's fucking retarded. They're literally the same shit except the window unit is noisier because the compressor is practically right in the room with you. They work exactly the same otherwise.

This would make sense only if current ACs could run for longer than a few years

CHINKS

everyone is poor but imagines they have money, and there are products to address where the customers actually are

Because selling cheap garbage inevitably requires another purchase in the future. Selling reliable goods means infrequent or no repeat customers

This is true. I have a whole house AC that makes the house like the arctic and never breaks. I have a minisplit for a sunroom, and it works fine, but the fucking filter needs cleaning every other month or it's useless.

Correct. The only way we could make an apt comparison would be to look at the percentage of AC's that have survived for a certain amount of time in both the old and the new categories.

You have to pay 1950's prices for quality appliances. Use an inflation calculator.

Does anyone actually have these? I heard they suck at heating even though they are marketed as such.

I have one in my sunroom/3-season room, a Mitsubishi, and I have to say that it works great for hot and cold. Even in the winter when it's like 0 degrees outside, the minisplit will make the room over 70 in about 20 minutes.

The only downside is OP's pic related. The filter has to be clean or it doesn't work at all. I mean, at all.

It was a joke senpai
But if I recall correctly from my times in factories, everything used farenheit. I think the solder oven was in Celsius though.

old tech was dominated by germans and Japanese

I had a collegue of mine tell me a conspiracy theory. He believed that newer air conditioners or heat pumps are suboptimally made because of Duponts patent on the original coolant running out. As such, shortly thereafter environmental groups found out that the coolant had severe environmental consequences and as such had to be changed (to a new one developed by Dupont).

The first one used R12, is according to him one of the best chemicals to use for this application, but is now prohibited in the western world because of lobbyism and lawfare - greed.

This is 100% correct

Everyday appliances, if you actually look up the price, were VERY expensive and MOST people didn't buy them.

However, similarly priced items, adjusted for inflation, are far superior in quality.

But the average peasant buys the affordable version in 2024 and compares it to something they couldn't afford in 1970

It's not a conspiracy, it actually happened.
R134 was definitely pushed. At the same time, propellent in hair spray also got banned.
Many cars were changed over to r134a, because of different types of valve/seal wear.

yes the ozone layer gets rekt whenever summer or winter removes sun exposure to the concerned earth pole region... ozone is created by sunlight hitting O2

Car ACs went right into the shitter about 20-25 years ago. Way back when, they were so cold, you couldn't stand to run them on Max, even on the hottest day.

Now, you run them full blast, and they barely cool the car off on the hottest days.

(You can still buy r12 from mechanics)

indeed, it is all third world garbage now.

The modern society needs to burn so that stupid fucking white people WAKE UP and deport all non-whites and jews.

This will probably never happen so i hope the covid vaccine kills off 99% of white people

Yes. R12 would beat the shit out of any other refrigerant in cooling power. They say that R134a has more cooling power, but ever since R12 was phased out, air conditioning has never been the same. I think ammonia is a better refrigerant than R12, but it obviously has its drawbacks.

You can only sell a good product once.

Not true. I usually keep buying from that brand and recommend them.

Dupont just got $2 richer!