How do you feel about unions?

How do you feel about unions?

Unions should have gatekept against marxists better.

unions are a trap for the union members.

It's the only way. Without unions we have exactly what you see today

Nothing did more lasting and extreme damage to worker's rights than marxism.

With strong, genuine unions, you wouldn't have immigration or at least this level of immigration and you wouldn't have a housing crisis nor a birth rate crisis

I think unionizing grocery stores is retarded and most of you need to go home

They're bad for consumers but they should be allowed to exist as long as they aren't public jobs(i.e. teachers unions)

Based, especially if they make the company run cringe anti-union ads like that.

The workers are the consumers though

Capitalist propaganda.

I hate the fact that they give so much money to garbage leftist causes. They need to fuck that off. It doesn’t represent the majority of their members.

dailysignal.com/2017/10/19/confirmed-99-of-union-donations-go-to-liberal-leaning-causes/

You know? You don't go to work and just magically float into the sky overnight without food or shelter, and then reappear at work again in the morning.

Keep calm and game on.

In Brazil the unions commies that are supported by leftist government. By default all workers have to be part of a union and pay union dues, unless you sign a contract that says you refuse to pay. They create all sorts of difficulties like you have to give it in person, write the whole contract by hand and you have a week or so each year to give it.

They are just parasites who use the fake premise that they protect workers. They also other people's money to make campaigns for leftist governments (who in turn will give them more powers to extort workers)

$700 in dues
Make another 2,000 more at a union job than non union
Have protection against getting fired arbitrarily and being out of work

Money well spent

Unions are nothing more than extra management that don't report to the other management, which is just like normal management because none of those cunts ever communicate with each other about relevant shit anyway.
Join a union, double the number of people you have to take orders from.

Been a member. Never liked 'em. Sure they got me Sunday pay but I was still working on Sunday. Also, the workplace boss and the union rep send each other Christmas cards. They're on the same team

There are good ones and bad ones, like just there are good and bad employers

That being said if you work for a large corporation below middle management, unions are the only thing that prevent you from being treated like human cattle

If an organization has to closed shop instead of relying on volunteer it's inherently bad for the members as well as the business. It's a commie mindset that only benefits the oligarchs at the top of the union so they get benefits and the workers are under the corporate bureaucracy as well as additional union bureacracy.

Teacher's unions are a hotbed of leftist idiocy, lately it has been shown that Mississippi and Louisiana have boosted their education scores immensely by ignoring DEI/Common Core crap and instead holding children back in third grade that can't read instead of playing the DEI "pass them until they are in college while still illiterate game."
The other notable feature of these states is they have the weakest Teacher Union presence.

Literally the opposite. It was when Marxists were kicked out from the AFL-CIO that unions started going to shit and became another tentacle of the Democratic party.

Historically unions and socialists were against immigration. Liberals fucked it all up.

This is the result of liberal takeover of unions.

Yeah I can see that.
Hmm something to think about.

By "consumer" I just specifically meant whoever was purchasing the specific product or service the union workers are involved in producing, but it's correct every union worker also consumes other products/services so you could argue it's bad for everyone

I guess that's what I meant by genuine unions. I wonder if there are any good books on the history of unions

I'm unionised but mostly because if my boss dies and the board appoint a new director who wants to clean house the implied threat of union shenanigans should be one of many reasons as to why sacking me is not worth the trouble.

I hate that unions support the party for workers and worker rights instead of the retard party who is currently destroying the country and turning it in a cyberpunk style corporate billionaire oligarchy

Meanwhile China can build infrastructure 10 times faster and cheaper than the United States because in the US it's artificially expensive and have all this bureaucracy

They are just parasites who use the fake premise

Yea that's true, but they're a balance, just like all the other parts of the system that are essentially self-interested with a phony premise designed to look noble. The judiciary is the exact same way, the police force is the same way, even things like a zoning board are exactly the same way, that's just how the system works. Being self-interested is a hedge against exploitation.

Unions are like democracy for work
Democracy is a shit system
But having a shit king/ceo also sucks.
Maybe we need a 3rd solution or something.

The airlines don’t give employees a choice. Union dues are required and deducted from their pay. The result is a terrible, TERRIBLE union. Flight attendants get their rights shit on all the time. I’ve known several, and all were regularly made to fly illegally. (Beyond the limit of hours worked before it violates federal laws.) From Delta on down. All of the airlines do it. All flight attendants I have known eventually stopped bothering filing complaints:

be made to fly illegally

file a complaint

get an appointment scheduled

go in

a representative (usually female): *sucks teeth* “Yeah… I’m really sorry that happened to you/We have been receiving complaints and are working on that/I know how you feel/We’ve been short on staff, you understand/We will be moving forward on this soon/(etc.)”

nothing happens

It is of no surprise to me, at all, that air traffic control is such a mess. The airlines are squeezing pennies left and right and treating everybody like shit (including passengers) because they’re the only game in town and the government does nothing but pile on paperwork and regulations while taking no meaningful action.

Because of my union I get a 4.1% pay rise per year
Wage protection for injury,
Travel allowance at $35 a day
Meal allowance at $18 a day
30 days paid annual leave
13 paid public holidays
12 days paid rdo
6 days paid sick leave
Work stops in storms or 35C weather with full days pay,
If work ends early for any reason I still get paid for 8 hours,
Full medical and dental support,
Overtime is optional.
Plus much more.
Someone will try to tell me this is bad while they suffer on minimum wage that never increases in a cost of living crisis.

You're correct, but there is no magical fix and never will be. The best thing that you can do is cope by embracing pragmatic machiavellianism.

Even in these elaborate systems that were designed with checks and balances the problem is that any one of the given "checks" is still vulnerable to the exact same kind of centralization that the system is trying to weed out, so really need to have yet another system of checks and balances on it, it's like a fractal of bureaucracy. The only true good system is a benevolent king, or philosopher king, but it's so absurdly rare that it's unrealistic for all practical purposes.

I think it's fine to have self interest, everybody wants to earn money and survive, but police for example at least have a useful purpose. Unions in my experience are more of a nuisance than helpful. They are also commies who support leftists causes with my money

You really think your situation is representative of all unionized employees in all fields? Really?

In australia yes.
Anyone not in a union sites is paid like a slave and treated like one.

Someone will try to tell me this is bad while they suffer on minimum wage that never increases in a cost of living crisis.

If you're job is demanding enough to qualify for all those benefits then you're employer wouldn't be only paying minimum wage anyway.

unions are gay

They don't I am on 130k a year while also providing training that costs thousands per year.

Yeah the best system is to have a chill king whos actually cool
But theyre so rare and his son might be an asshole that we're stuck with varying flavours of shit

Union dues are a scam, that's when the union doesn't actually do shit but embezzle your money and not make working conditions or pay any better. A union can function without dues at all.

While you all bitch about unions I am the sole provider for my family with no debt and able to afford to buy my own home in my 30s.
Stay mad.

Then I'm confused about your point about minimum wage, because it sounds like even without a union you would be earning more than that, and minimum wage laws just disincentivize hiring poors

You fools without a union are the minimum wage workers. My job pays 25k-40k per year in your shit country.

Even in australia non union sites also pay less, my job is 70k-90k on non union sites.

I’m not in favor of marxism, but your statement is bullshit, and I kinda suspect, you know that

These people are legitimately insane
They have denigrated themselves to less-than-human it's fucking crazy

That's because employers wiling to pay union rates are looking for higher quality work compared to people not paying. Even without a union the result would be same

A proper union functions well. A corrupt union does not. More established unions in our country are hand and glove with the companies they claim to represent the workers of and become quite wealthy extorting fees from workers while either doing nothing or acting in the interest of the company. And to discourage unions from forming, businesses in our country deliberately fracture the workforce with forced DEI, mandatory awareness trainings about harassment or discrimination, and they import workers who will be slaves for fear of deportation. Unions in America don’t work so well.

Trade unions are a useful tool to get started in life, factory unions have no point.

Grasping at straws mate.
I have proven you wrong at every turn.

Chinks torture cats

All your posts have been pure cope and you haven't even addressed my arguments

My union fees of $14.50 a week are tax deductible meaning I get even more of my tax back each year stay mad.
Your countries crumbling education system allowed your circumstances.

I am in the USW and it is absolutely useless. The company knows how to get around everything and the union fights nothing but still demands I pay dues

All of your posts are Cope it has nothing to do with even being part of a union morons like you just think higher dollars per hour with no benefits is better because you can't do math and the result is you take shit deals in negotiations while also being afraid to strike.

That is because Americans have an unwavering predilection of being competitive with one another and also ripping each other off in more sinister ways and then telling you it's for your own good, and people believe it.

It's ironic you're claiming anti-unionists are bad at negotiating while at the same time you're paying a union to negotiate on your behalf

Paying my union just gets me more tax free pay for me that I get back as a lump some every year. If I could I would pay them more lmao
Imagine living in a 3rd world shithole like you.

It's nuanced. Depends on the union. There's nothing wrong with the institution, but some of the union reps need to be thrown out. It's no different from the government in that respect.

Also this

lol yes they will. They will pay you the absolute minimum they can get away with, all while trying to get you to train some jeet to take your place, even if it makes no sense and you already know it's impossible.

So your argument for being pro-union is that some arbitrarily tax law benefits you at the cost of everyone else.

Its a manditory donation to the Democrats.

Sure if your lack of reading ability wants to ignore all of my posts you can believe that seppo.

Biden is the only president in the last 50 years to literally bust up a union. But it's okay because he supported the Hollywood actors union.

I don't like them. They haven't really done anything to earn my respect. It also doesn't help that you literally can't talk about them impartially. You weigh pros and cons. You can't research their historical impact. Because it's all political. I could be persuaded to like them if someone could do so rationally, but they basically act like leftists where if you don't already support them they use that as enough to condemn you to being evil incarnate.

I’m in a trade union for commercial aviation.

Pros

best pay and benefits in the industry.

awesome training

great work/life balance

supervision and hr are powerless unless you get caught for time card fraud or stealing.

Con’s

empowers people to be useless pieces of shit that won’t even do the absolute minimum unless they are forced to.

those same people will spend hours trying to get out of doing five minutes of actual work by looking for bullshit technicalities. (Tooling, gse, ppe, researching manual references for trivial things, etc)

those same people take the best days off.

All of the cons could be avoided if management grew a pair of balls and disciplined the pieces of shit.

REMINDER
your progressive union-supporting libtard doesn't care that Dems bust up unions. So long as they kneel for BLM.

as long as the jews are destroyed, they are fine.
in a world with jews, any organization with political power is a filthy jewish entity.

purple hair and tats are nasty.

Cool.

Unions are gay retarded. They're the reason why america is less competitive on a global scale. It isn't just increase labor costs, its the fact that unions prevent innovation because it means someone's job (and dues) goes away.

When’s the last time the Dems did anything for the working class? More concerned about trannies, fags, illegals and your faggot ass feelings. You’re either a shill or a retard if you think the left cares. You’ve never been, and never will be, a member of the working class. KYS.

They’re fine on paper but tend to be extremely corrupt and gay in practice. Especially the newer ones.

Everything that redistributes cookies off the plates of the insanely wealthy investors and chief officers is the Evilest Marxism imaginable.

They’re fine on paper but tend to be extremely corrupt and gay in practice.

Not AT ALL like the corporations they inconvenience, amiright?
The workers must remain Pure and Naive in the face of overwhelming corporate corruption, that's the only reasonable answer to it!

Gatekeeping Marxism is what fucked up the unions, when there were marxist organizers there is when they were at their most powerful. Each red scare was a huge blow to union organizing

Yeah, I totally agree. The Teamsters have the right idea, unions need to become an independent political force to become relevant again.

The Teamsters are kidding themselves if they honestly believe they will get anything from the Trumps of the world, the very sorts of people they organized against.
I feel at the most they believe that sucking off Don's ego publicly will keep his Jew Hands off of what few rights they still have.

Hitler got rid of the unions and made Germany a utopia in 5 years. He replaced them with ONE (1) organization. No strikes needed. If workers were mistreated , they just need to complain, "bro, bluds rippin us off and ain't paying us nothing", and they said "say no more senpai", and then go to blue and say ""YOU VILL pay them enough to raise a family and enjoy life or else". It's really that simple. Imagine thinking some stupid union has your back. These idiots work these jobs and say I got mine and then get their relatives in and in any case if you're lucky enough to get in, the expect you to work yourself up for the next 30 with stupid seniority systems. A dumb stupid worker bee wagie mentality. Imagine thinking "YUP, I'm just a worker and I'm proud of my job and my union...GRATEFUL infact!". People who are in unions and are part of them do not see themselves as exceptional. They view themselves as cogs.

Hitler consoldated the unions into a giant union you fucking retard. And no, nazi germany was not a utopia when they had to start rationing before ww2 began. Idiot.

This moment in "Retard History".

pay $700 yearly to get a pay rise to fight inflation or not to get crippled due work.

On the one hand, yeah, Trump is a known quantity in terms of "suck him off and he'll give you leniency". On the other hand, yeah, no, actually trying to court the GOP is as dead of an end as tailing the Democrats. Still, the Democrats will only ever treat unions like a red-headed step child post-Citizens United, doing just enough to get them to not go off the plantation. As the US economy gets worse and worse unions will eventually get thrown under the bus by both parties, and it's important for us to realize we are on our own now, and our best shot is to start thinking about POLITICAL ALTERNATIVES to electoralism.

Clearly you’re just retarded and here to fight. My argument was in support of your hostile assertions that you are in a good union and tried to describe why the situation is nearly hopeless here, but you’re just and angry retard trying to be edgy. Die in a fire.

It's our bazed, nationalist vril union!

Strikes? Fuck you, get back to work, strikes are illegal. Also the companies get to control your "unions".

Natsucc "unions" were gigacucked

expect you to work yourself up for the next 30 with stupid seniority systems

The other option is being replaced by the boss's third cousin and his army of pajeet interns, btw.

You sound like one of those late Millenial-early Zooms who expects to walk in and get a supervisor position because you have a 200 IQ (on Anon Babble).

How do you feel about unions?

Don't need them. I never paid dues on the low end of the labor market and I've found better employment consistently anyways. It protects people who don't really have much going for them, which is fine, the world needs its cogs.

On the other hand, yeah, no, actually trying to court the GOP is as dead of an end as tailing the Democrats.

It wasn't the Democrats who walked back Union Power in this country. Sure, they Dems have been more or less disinterested in them short of elections, but the GOP has legislated them to death with a thousand little Laws.

He replaced them with ONE (1) organization.

Hitler consoldated the unions into a giant union you fucking retard.

Lmao

Hitler got rid of the unions

he replaced them with a a bigger state union

retard.

Organized resistance is the worst kind of resistance. It makes the participants lazy and dependant on others. Fuck unions!

Spoken like a true HR officer.

Yeeaah like the right isn't actively trying to decimate the power of unions and trying to prevent workers from unionizing as we speak. You're obviously a fucking migatard faggot who knows nothing about what your talking about.

t. union worker

I'm unemployed, I get free money from the government.
So I don't care about such things.

Fuck off. In Norway everyone is in a union. At work, I am the only one not in a union and get shit for it all the time. "We fight for you.." "freerider..." etc. Every fucking year they strike. And every fucking year they either back down and get nothing or the goverment (the leftist goverment which is sponsored by said unions btw) shuts down the strike "due to safety concerns". What does the unions do? They never fight. "Oh, well it is next year" I am not paying to be a part of a bunch of pussies that don't want to fight the system. In fact. I do not want to pay the goverment (again, not joking) to be alowed to fight the system. Organized resistance is gay. Fight for your own belives and do not let others (union leaders are always blue haired Karens) tell you when to fight and when to stop fighting. Unions are just a cog in the wheel of the same system they are supposed to fight against.

Here in anti-Union America, they claw back some of your benefits a bit each year. I work in a factory for a fortune 500 company that was at one point Union, but they've reduced that to a fraction. Every year, something gets nickel-and-dimed back, higher deductibles on healthcare, they pruned the pensions 5 years back, they are constantly wheedling for a way to pay you less, while productivity across the company keeps going up.

"Fight for you own beliefs"

As one disorganized cog in a non-union company, you have zero ability to fight anything.
Freeloading Faggot.

You sound like one of those late Millenial-early Zooms who expects to walk in and get a supervisor position because you have a 200 IQ (on Anon Babble).

Literally me. I unironically am. I should have whatever job I want because I'm intelligent, harder working and less hedonistic than everyone else. It should be like the govnor said at the end of the one kino, you can have any job you want at a salary you deem adequate.

Boomers said "you are ENTITLED"
Millennials cried "NO WE'RE NOT"

Zoomers BTFOd this whole dynamic. We said "why yes, I am entitled". Imagine being such a slave and viewing yourself so low you don't think you're entitled to what you want. Tell the people saying this they're not entitled to x,y,z item they own and they will seethe.

I get much of that plus a lot of other things without a union. I get 5+ weeks of vacation.

tldr im underground mate

jews, boomers, and corpo faggots don't want me to be in one. So they're probably good for me.

Like these absolute Balkan hicks in croaRATia

Oh nooooo he hurt our feelings on Anon Babble we have to block him from a.career oh noeeez my Turkish rat goat fucking hick villager feelings oh noeeez our soccer team of mutt goat fucking peasants

You have to be 18 to post here

unions in America are one thing (mafia-like shitty organisations)
unions in Europe can be a very different thing
for starters, in Europe that sign the OP posts would be illegal for any company to issue

With unions you have Nazi Germany or Soviet Union.

Non-existence due to collapse.
Here in Australia, we've let union corruption run rampant for 2 decades, house prices are the highest in the world as they've inflated construction costs beyond belief.