The Soviet Union's command economy was a good idea

no such thing as a free market. Its just something they tell to boomers who will believe anything the jew box says. All economies are planned economies. Its only a matter of for who and by what means

North Korea is best Korea

produces enough for all the people

But it didn't produce enough. Toilet paper, sanitizing pads, coffee, baby formula were luxury items in Soviet union

Results matter

so we should replace monopolies that grew out of a competitive market with monopolies that grow out of political majorities, great idea, hats off to you sir or mam

China figured it out with their party state model that includes people from across social classes, united in national purpose through meritocracy

watch interview with boomer who lived in USSR

he says we should go back

ok

watch interview with some zoomer faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about and thinks the 90s = the USSR

he says USSR bad

lmao

If you're a socialist and you admit out loud that regulating a lemonade stand is probably a waste of time, you've granted this point.

Why would a socialist government regulate a lemonade stand? Did the kids pay a guy an hourly wage to make the lemonade for them while they keep the profit for themselves?

Competition is good for the consumer. The problem is we have monopolies or some few company-opolies now, and we created a situation where to compete you need to chinkify or jeetify your supply chain. Even if you’re a politician or lawyer. I heard big law firms all use overseas jeets to compile all their filings and other paperwork. We are exporting even intellectual service jobs. Politicians are importing voters. We need laws to prevent stuff like this. I guess the issue is sort of the intersection of globalism, oligarchy, and pseudo capitalism for American goyim, but socialist policies for jewish capitalists, i.e. jews get to be capitalists and goyim will front the money with their time and labor. Kind of a retarded rant post but I basically disagree with you although I am still open to it being a possibility. I guess I don’t know for sure. I have an exam on Monday and i’m procrastinating.

Why would a socialist government regulate a lemonade stand?

Because it becomes an entity upon itself which must purge things like private initiative from the minds of the masses. This is a historical reality most marxists and socialists blatantly ignore.

command economy

Deficit, low assortiment.

West has been in increasing modes of central planning est 1913 .

Basically prices are set by aladin market maker and who stays in business is determined by who gets their old debt financed by newly printed bills

US will have that within a month because of tariffs on China.

If the free market doesn’t work do you expect those morons can manage the planned economy? Lol

Thing is they don't make enough. If you keep intentional shortages you can jack the prices up. It is how those oligarchs keep their wealth. When only one source is providing something the people need they can control how much they make.

You're probably right, but it's not going to happen for obvious reasons.
AI right now is used in the most retarded ways possible, because we all know what conclusions AI would draw if it's allowed to apply unrestricted pattern recognition.

China is NatSoc. I would settle for a NatSoc economy.

AI might be able to manage a planned economy.
I also favor making AI governments, where computer programs determine all policies and decisions.

Its simple actually. Any model collapses once power is centralized. Preventing centralization of power is the main Tennant. Even cavemen knew this.

There is no scenario where multibilionare doesnt just buy everything and make you live like a serf.
There is also no scenario where grand buerocrat
doesnt micromanage every aspect of your life.
These 2 poeple together are a deadly combo.We have that combo now.

You can have armed citizens direct democracy and rules without hordes of buerocrats Blockchain exists all laws could be on it.
There are also thousands of other solutions to problems of centralization of power that dont involve hordes of buerocrats.

The CP building

What do they have in there?

Whoa, a building with lights. America could never

AI can literally make OGAS possible

If central bank exists it should be nationalized and everything it prints should be spread among the population equally.

Capitalism works fine when it only has white people

private fire departments aren't a good idea

prove it

there is no free market, you are merely imagining it.

No commies built housing fast. You didnt have to wait 20 years. Building bunch of commie blocks is easy as fuck. Commies could do it 50 years ago and now its suddenly a "problem" due to artificial scarcity agenda.
In comunism big party bosses couldnt own 1000 apartments. They could own apartments in best parts of town and some sumer houses but not like today.

So when it comes to housing communism beats current system.

It leads to monopolies

such as?

You are a dumb nigger
they had this in rome, and they let houses burn down on the regular, sometimes leading to the fire spreading and burning down entire districts in the city. Why? owner of the building couldn't pay, or it happened to be in a rivaling companys "territory". Most would agree a fire department that purposefully lets houses burn down is a bad fire department.

There was a sort of boom in the 60s due to oil prices being up under Khrushchev, that's what boomers remember, then it all went to shit after 70s oil crisis. One of my first memories as a baby in mid-80s was all city district rushing to a local shop when news spread that they got toilet paper. People literally jumping out of second story window to take a spot in the city block long queue. Two rolls per person. Soviet economy was only ever good when oil prices were good. Putins "restoration" also only happened because oil skyrocketed when the great satan invaded Iraq. (and he kicked out the American kike "advisors", that helped too I guess) Truly, we are a gas station with nukes after all.

Ok so why didn't the soviet economists address the problem

One of my first memories as a baby in mid-80s was all city district rushing to a local shop when news spread that they got toilet paper

Why is it always toilet paper? In Australia, ever since covid, when there is some kind of natural event or bad weather and the gov tells people to prepare, all the NPCs flock to supermarkets and buy ALL the toilet paper. It's always fucking toilet paper.
Why did the USSR have trouble making the toilet paper anyway, they have trees, just build a toilet paper factory and be done with it. It is all self inflicted damage.

Everything works fine if it’s just White people. You just can’t let jews sneak in.

Because suggesting that something isnt ok and needs to be changed was a ticket to gulag.

kekekek, we fucking idiots ay. I went on holiday to indonesia for a few weeks and am considering installing an aftermarket bidet seat or at least arse washing hose on my dunny. fuck toilet paper. peasant tier.

soviets could probably not build toilet paper factory. they sold their resources to us and we made their consumer products because they were too retarded to figure it out themselves. I'm not joking, we literally bought wood form the soviets and sold paper back to them with insane profit margins.

So when it comes to housing communism beats current system.

Definitely right

I don't.

There is no lemonade stand under a command economy because the kids only receive lemon rations for their own use (if at all).

In practice, citrus fruits that could not be grown in Eastern Europe were a luxury and only available a few days per year, on important national holidays. And you had to queue for multiple hours.

Where is the Soviet union? What happened to it?

Funny thing is I'm from Russia. Born and raised. All what I wrote comes from my family. BTW we had officers and local level politicians in the family. Also you need to understand that the system that took over was allot more unpredictable and unstable during the 90s compared to the Soviet system. Also these boomers had there live changed over night while in there 40s. No shit they want it back since it's the system they got used to.

this is EXTREMELY antisemitic of you

Communism is not good at juicing out every last drop of blood from population so living standard suffers.
Why would you pull 10-12 hour shifts if you don't have to or why would you even work hard if there ain't boss/owner constantly threatening with firing you and replacing with h1b visa holder?

Their best engineers were tied up in the military and in oil production, consumer goods were an afterthought.
They had small teams whose job was to reverse engineer western and Japanese appliances/electronics, but there was hardly any innovation.
Keep in mind the first toilet paper factory in the USSR opened after the Apollo 11 astronauts landed on the moon, and the factory was equipped with western machinery.
Maybe things would have been different if it wasn't for the cold war, but it's debatable.

It didn't work like that. There where many separate movements inside communist party and party had many democratic elements in its inner working. Only thing not allowed that would make you a dissident was promoting overthrowing the rule of communist party. Like even in ex-yu there where fractions inside communist party that where pro-market economy, pro-private ownership of means of production and that fraction actually won in the end.
Even under fully democratic systems can you really vote for some radical change of the system? I don't think so, they all have pretty narrow boundaries of what can be changed.

It didn't work like that.

It did. The political abuse of psychology in the Soviet Union is a case study on what happened when people said things were not fine in the Soviet Union.

first toilet paper factory in the USSR opened after the Apollo 11 astronauts landed on the moon

Be skeptical about shit you read on reddit.

OMG LIGHTS
on buildings!!!
So prosperous and successful

The Soviet U-

No.

The free m-

Sneed.

If that was true Perestroika party fraction would never win in the end but hardliners so there was certainly some slack inside inner workings of a party.

The literal relationship between America, Britain, France, Spain and their colonial colonies.
Only now they've all become Blackrock colonies.

If that was true Perestroika party fraction would never win in the end

They didn’t. Gorbi and his merry band of idiots were outmaneuvered by Yeltsin. Perestroika was the last gasps of a machine that simply couldn’t work.

some slack

Slack is a relative term.

None of what you said address the fact that the Soviets weaponized psychology to label political dissidents as lunatics.

Capitalism is a jewish scam which runs on perpetual geometric expansion of the fiat currency supply and inevitably periodically fails through either hyperinflation or massive depression and cancellation of large swaths of the fiat currency supply, where the working class have their fiat savings cancelled in bank "failures" or "bail-ins", like in the Cyprus banking crisis.
Capitalism cannot afford to purchase its own aggregate internal production at a price which it is profitable to produce that output at, unless the money needed to constitute the profits is continually added to the system, such as by creating fiat currency (or more of it than is already in existence) or allowing counterfeiting or debasing of sound money such as silver coins, such as by reducing the purity or the weight of the coins.
However, the fiat creation needs to be continuous to enable continued capitalist production and the rate at which new fiat is created needs to accelerate (the growth needs to be geometric) or the rate of expansion of the fiat currency supply gradually approaches 0% of the already existing amount over time, as the supply grows, and so does the average possible rate of profit. Expanding the fiat supply from $10 trillion to $11 trillion within a year is a yearly growth of 10% but expanding it further, from $11 trillion to $12 trillion in the subsequent year is only a growth of 9.(09)%. For the fiat supply to grow another 10% in the second year, it needs to grow from $11 trillion to $12.1 trillion instead of just $12 trillion.
GDP is not economic activity but the estimated and inferred rate of spending of fiat per year.
Inflation, including due to scarcity - which forces people to spend their fiat savings into circulation, inflates the GDP. Deflation, including due to abundance, contracts the GDP.
Fiat currency is not wealth but merely claims on wealth.
Wealth is what you spend fiat currency on, not fiat currency itself.
Capitalism is not a closed loop or system.

Further increasing the pressure to print more and ever faster is the propensity of a large part of the population and also some corporations and businesses to NOT spend all the fiat currency they receive as wages, dividends, rents, royalties or payments for goods sold or services rendered as soon as they receive said fiat currency. And instead electing to sit on part of their income as fiat currency savings in a bank. Which parks that fiat currency out of circulation, at least for a while, and thus contracts the circulating supply of fiat currency by expanding the parked supply of fiat currency. Which, in turn, makes it necessary for new fiat currency to be created and injected into circulation (by giving it to people and businesses who don't have fiat currency they would nevertheless like to spend and are willing to borrow it from a bank in order to spend it) to replace, in circulation, the fiat currency which has been parked, out of circulation, by people and business who keep at least part of their savings as fiat currency in a bank.
Yet another intrinsic, fundamental, systemic problem of the capitalist model is that fiat currency flows within it are uneven and asymmetric. For example, people pay more to businesses as payment for their goods or services than people receive back from businesses as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. This is because ALL businesses have at least expenses towards other businesses, such as suppliers and subcontractors, utilities companies. This means that people, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, pay more, on average, to businesses, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, than businesses pay back to people as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. The difference has to be perpetually made up from and through consumer credit. Which is people constantly borrowing money to make up the shortfall/discrepancy between what they need to pay for goods and services they need or want and what they themselves are paid.

There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.

We're talking about mid 80s where fraction behind Gorbachev started doing reforms inside communist party.

marxists.org/history/ussr/government/party-congress/27th/gorbachev-politicalreport-speech-resolution-27thcongress.pdf

When you go to the bank or the ATM to withdraw cash, you're actually asking to have your fictional cash and coins, which only exist as digits on the digital ledger of your bank, exchanged for physical cash and coins.
Regardless of your opinion on central banks, all non-central banking is legalised fraud because non-central banks issue (create and introduce into circulation) fictional cash and coins by pretending to "lend" it to willing borrowers, who then spend it into the economy, and lying to everyone in society that that fictional cash and coins actually physically exists or is backed by existing physical cash and coins in the same actual amount. Not the case. And this is all somehow ((("legal"))) because jews lying to non-jews and deceiving them and robbing them is perfectly fine as far as jews are concerned.
However, although most banks, in most places, will allow you to exchange your fictional fiat currency notes and coins for physical fiat currency notes and coins, they will put a daily limit on how much of the first type of fiat currency you can exchange for the latter. Or, if you want to exchange large amounts, they'll make you schedule the withdrawal days to weeks in advance. And in some of the most pozzed and jewed jew world order shitholes, which are the 5 eyes countries, banks are starting to outright refuse to allow you to withdraw your cash (actually exchange your fictional cash and coins for physical ones) as steps are being taken to get rid of cash altogether there.
Without cash, bank runs aren't possible because there is no physical cash and coins you can request to have your fictional cash and coins exchanged for when you try and "withdraw" some of your cash you think exists in the bank vault. With bank runs being impossible, every non-central bank becomes its own central bank, with no limit on digital fiat currency creation. Especially combined with de facto or (in the case of the US, de jure since 2020) zero reserve requirements.

capitalism don't work as it leads to monopolies and banks and big corporations own the government

let's make government be only bank, corporation and monopoly

how about chopping those too big corporations and monopolies (even duopolies ans triopolis should be made in smaller pieces)

PS. remember take your free medicine

Capitalism implements rationing through price unaffordability. It's still rationing, just with one extra step. But that one extra step is enough to make all mouth breathing troglodytes see absolutely no problem with and not even realise that rationing is actually going on.
Just one single fucking solitary intermediary step added and all the absolute mongoloid retards no longer recognise the rationing going on.
Moreover, because of the perpetual debasement of the currency and the fact that wages never keep up with inflation for more than a few years, the rationing intrinsic to and built into capitalism makes it so the rations become smaller and the quality becomes shittier over time.
That pig liver paste I used to buy at Lidl 15 years ago that had 60% pork liver in it by weight then? It now has 10% and costs way, way fucking more.
And this applies to fucking everything, from soft drinks and the receptacles they come in (which used to be actual glass and are now increasingly thinner and shittier plastic) to fucking buildings, see the plywood and now foam "housing" in the jewnited states of golemica:
youtube.com/watch?v=St7b2a6BJ4w
youtube.com/watch?v=Z0MQoEg-YFo
Only absolute shit for brains pavement apes support or prefer capitalism. Them and the kikes who profit and benefit off of capitalism.
Only jews and their golems, the boomers, advocate for capitalism. Capitalism is the jew world order system. Capitalism is anti-White, anti-civilisation, anti-industry, anti-children, anti-making or doing anything actually real and actually useful and decidely pro-jew and pro-jewish genocide of the White race.

capitalism needs very strong govt to regulate it and govt's in the west are getting weaker by day so there's no solution for it really. It's impossible to resolve even basic stuff at this point like housing crisis and inflation.

housing crisis

Just another symptom of the perpetual inflation built right into capitalism, caused by its requirement to constantly print money for business and corporate profits. The money printing required to make profits mathematically possible debases the currency in the process. So capitalism unavoidably periodically fails through either hyperinflation of the currency into complete worthlessness or in massive depressions where most of the fictional cash and coins are wiped from the ledgers of the banking system through bank "failures" and "bail-ins".
It's hilarious, really.

and inflation.

Built right into capitalism. Intrinsic to it. Caused by the debasement of the currency caused by the ever accelerating creation of fiat currency which is required to make a for-financial-profit operated economy continue to operate.

We're talking about mid 80s

No. You made an absurd claim of the Perestroika people winning in the end. They simply didn’t. The Soviet Union doesn’t exist. Their entire purpose in reforming the Soviet Union so it could survive failed. It was such a mismanaged mess nothing could fix it. You are again not refuting anything about the political abuse of psychology. You’re playing into it but that is an entirely different discussion.

that fraction actually won in the end.

Most people are fucking retards and deserve the fate they keep freely choosing for themselves and theirs.

Perestrokia people won in '85 over more conservative fraction in the party, what's so difficult to understand about it?
If conservatives won Yeltsin would not have to deal with Gorby in '91 but with someone else.

A better system makes an inventory of what people really need, then produces enough for all the people. A command economy is far more efficient with money and materiel.

But you dumb nigger that’s why a planned economy is so retarded and fails everytime. In the USSR they didn’t produce what people actually wanted or needed (exactly because there was no free market), so it was a system where a select few made 5 year plans for producing things no one wanted or asked for.

Lets produce 50 million ak 47 s and 50 nice theatres over a 5 year period

Sure people might live in shitty concrete commie blocks without toilets and we don’t need any more theatres and ak 47s after year 1, but lets instead continue producing this shit for 4 more years just because we decided it

It can be efficient like rapid industrialization but in the end you cannot maintain a growing economy and society with a planned economy. China used to have it like the USSR, but unlike the USSR they realized in the 70s and all the way to 90s that they need to adopt capitalist elements to grow. Ever since that Chinese guy (forgot his name) abandoned maoism and adopted capitalist policies, China started to significantly grow into the superpower it is today. Had they not reformed their economy to state capitalism from planned economy, they would have ended up like the USSR. China just larp as commies but really their economic system is identical to that which fascism desires (combined state and private ownership), while abandoning socialism

Another example of planned economy would be to invest all production in tanks or space while the people live in shantytowns. Aka it invests in shit nobody on the street asked for or wants

what's so difficult to understand about it?

I’m struggling to understand why you think the failed political movement to keep away collapse from 40 years ago in a country that hasn’t existed for 30 years “won” anything.

Tho ex-yu was special case since despite having some financial difficulties there was actually money in the system, it's just that yugo version of MAGA happened, economy was not crucial factor in it. Eastern Europe and Soviets where different because they basically went bankrupt. My grandpa was some commie official back then and his position on topic of soviet union collapse is that it happened because of couple of very bad harvests so they had to basically import food/grain.

It won in '85 and ruled during the period of '85-'91, they where "winners" during that time-span and shaped the politics of ussr.

The Soviet union used to have better computers than the US. The politburo didn't had a need for a big informatic industry and only commanded the computers the army needed.
What's the matter if every paperwork had to be done by hand, they have cheap workers.

In the 70's, soviets computers were antiquities compared to the US, they used spies to improve their technology.
With 0 credit to develop new computers, and modern American computers becoming too complicated to reverse engeener, the Soviet Union was fucked.

There was a project like this in the 70s.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

The Soviet Union's command economy was a good idea

I mean it did lead to market reforms and a collapse of the Soviet Union so in a sense it works.

I still kinda don't understand why central planned economy system failed to deliver compared to market economy which is just some random chaos and theoretically way less sophisticated.

But you dumb nigger

Another mouth breathing troglodyte projecting hard. Every large business or corporation is centrally planned. In fact, everything both large and successful is centrally planned. Especially large scale operations which involve the direction and co-ordination of large numbers of people, inventory, transportation infrastructure etc. are centrally planned.
Distributed decision making means no hierarchy and is a complete and utter fucking failure every single time tried, no exceptions.
The man and father is the head of the household. The central planners are the head of the operation, whatever that operation is. Decision makers are a minority, implementers are a majority. It's the way it has to be and the only way it can be and work.
Distributed decision making is actually a tenet and goal of the fake and gay faggot wing of leftism. The pretend leftists.

perestroika

meant to preserve the Soviet Union into the future

get into power

fuck it up

Soviet Union implodes as a result of fuck up

t-they won!

They simply did not win. The fact we refer to the Soviet Union as a “was” is evidence of their lack of winning.

and theoretically way less sophisticated.

Well no, theoretically a free market is less complicated.

despite having some financial difficulties there was actually money in the system

Oh noes. You're one of those myriad multitudes who thinks that money matters and we should keep it around. Sad. Many such cases.

Eastern Europe and Soviets where different because they basically went bankrupt

That's what happens when you try and keep money and financial profit around and keep trading with capitalist enemies who seek to topple and destroy your nation but play the long con way of going about it.
If you have money on the brain, you're going extinct and by rights ought to.

The pretend leftists.

Hardliners like you have been bullied out of relevance by literal faggots. Take that into consideration when posting your opinions on how economic systems should function.

Yeah but the other side - the "hardliners" didn't even get a shot at it because they lost to Perestroika fraction.

didn't even get a shot at it because they lost to Perestroika fraction.

They committed a coup, they didn't have close to enough public support to try and wrest power.

I still kinda don't understand why central planned economy system failed to deliver compared to market economy which is just some random chaos and theoretically way less sophisticated.

Because they, or the wider population at large, insisted on holding on to money and the fiction of financial profit. Which doesn't exist and is directly caused by ever accelerating creation of fiat currency.
They had a money and financial profit shaped tumour on the brain. Inoperable.
MANY such cases.

Hardliners like you have been bullied out of relevance by literal faggots.

So you're saying capitalism is faggoted? I agree.

Take that into consideration when posting your opinions on how economic systems should function.

Everything I say is correct and I'm also way smarter than you are.

Yeah but *insert non argument*

You have no point to make.

Communist- and command economies are monopolies by definition. Beside that they are production and distribution systems (problems solved long ago) leaving out everything beyond there scope. Capitalism the same, they are all death cults, ignoring life and all its necessities beyond primitive feed and consume. That's one of the reasons for falling birth rates. You can build the nest for the vultures, but why are you expecting chicks?

You're thinking about '91 coup attempt but we're talking about 1985 when Perestroika fraction came into power.

ok

So you're saying capitalism is faggoted?

No. I’m saying hardline lefties have been bulled out of relevance by literal faggots. Play retarded somewhere else.

Everything I say is correct

You think history is a linear path. You are not correct in anything.

We literally had decades of the soviet command economy causing their people to live in squalor and the west's quality of life skyrocketing. You are a retarded tankie bunkertranny, and you should probably rope.

Well no the two are related, the hardliners clearly had a shot at it but failed on both the ballot and the realpolitik. They fired their shots twice and lost both times.

These gnome enemies of the people are literally raping the hard workers of the people's union by not only competing with the legitimate government, but stealing lemons from the people to steal their money as well. Reactionaries like them belong in front of a firing line.

I still kinda don't understand why central planned economy system failed to deliver compared to market economy which is just some random chaos and theoretically way less sophisticated.

Will recommend Hayeks "The road to serfdom". An easy to understand and short book everywhere downloadable.
It reads like the screenplay to the former GDR (an artificial communist state installed by the soviets) and it's downfall.

Is that itself not making the federal government a monopoly?

watch interviews with people who lived in the soviet union, people whose parents lived in the soviet union, etc.

all of them except a couple of muscovite pigs universally hated it

soviet union literally broke because of it

30 years later bunkertrannies lie about it on a bengalese basket-weawing forum because they don't want to work

lmao

Would probably not matter in the end. ex-yu had this at the time super progressive federal govt run by techno-managers that was offering nothing but further economic development and money yet regional govts of individual republics with maga tier backward ideas prevailed in the end.

downloaded, will read it.

There's also issue with comparing current times with times from 35 years ago. No question socialism in whatever form would progress simply because civilization itself progressed.

It leads to monopolies and crony capitalism, where banks and big corporations own the government.

A free market is not responsible for government corruption. Our corrupt cartel system is a command economy. In an actual free market the state would not have the power to control the economy in the first place. The corruption of the cartel system exists because of state power, not because of the free market.

A command economy is far more efficient with money and materiel.

Lulz, no. A command economy has no accountability, it can spend money however it wants without fear of competition. The state is the ultimate monopoly and it will take your money whether you like it or not.

Is that you google?
A little sore after that court case I see

Jewish sounding surname

Yeah I don't trust that guy and don't agree with him.
Only buffer between working class and capitalists is actually govt. Without it most people would live in slavery.

A command economy has no accountability, it can spend money however it wants without fear of competition.

Most famous case of it, Chernobyl. All safety features in the West were ignored in favour of streamlining the construction.

This post is an example of Russian shills priming the pump for Russia returning to a command economy as their wartime economy begins to flounder and more drastic measures need to be taken to keep the economy, the country, and the current political structure afloat LMAO

tl;Dr: russia's cooked senpai fr fr no cap

Only buffer between working class and capitalists is actually govt.

Didn't 10% of the Soviets spend time in Gulags?

I bet that prison population is now multiple times bigger than during soviet times.
Same shit where I live, despite having 25% smaller population under capitalism prison population is multiple times bigger than during socialism.

How's that infinite free energy machine coming along?

I bet that prison population is now multiple times bigger than during soviet times.

Yeah because they commit crimes? Gulags were populated based on social class.

Except when there was vote to keep ussr vast majority voted for it
Yeah, right, two more weeks and Russia collapses

infest free market with communist bullshit regulations and laws

sEe cAPitAliSm hAs FaILeD!!!!¡

I doubt that.

North Korea is not allowed to trade by the UN.

Well also there's entire sectors of the global market kept afloat solely due to government's intervention into them. They're basically the only customer.

idk I see that there's less and less regulations and corpos also happily taking socialism money in form of bailouts and subsidies.

I doubt that.

Dekulakization was an openly acknowledged policy as was forced collectivization.

So from their political class individuals were arrested and forced to work on farms as it was their social class in a classless society or else they were sentenced to punitive hard labour.

North Korea is not allowed to trade by the UN.

No they are? Sanctions exist on weapons, nuclear, advanced industries etc but trade is allowed bby the UN with Norks. Heck it was a massive market in the 70's. They just fucked themselves up selling government bonds they refused to honour
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea
Ctrl+ F North Korea sold bonds internationally in the late 1970s

Never heard of shit like that, maybe it really happened early on.
Also socialism is not classless society, it's just that the economic difference between classes is toned down.

They built houses fast too and it shows. I live in one of those and it's pain in the ass trying to do anything to renovate as all walls and ceilings are different dimensions.
Not to mention foundation cracking constantly and even had window cracking out of nowhere.

Modern social construction is way worse, sis got apartment in some new block and you can hear your neighbor taking a dump and shit splashing through the walls.
And idk why it's called "social" when you have to shell 130k€ for it.

AI and modern communications technology would make planned economy far more efficient than Jewish cuckpitalism you’re living under today.

Also socialism is not classless society

Yes but I'm talking about the end NEP in the USSR where the aim of the council of Communists was to produce a classless society.

Never heard of shit like that,

Then you probably should learn about it. The man Stalin put in charge of the Soviet academy of Sciences, Trofim Lysenko, was a deeply corrupt and immoral man who caused at least 3 major famines from his retarded ideas.

Yeah, the deep plowing guy, I've heard about him.

Yes, his ideas were a lot more retarded than that an he had agronomists who disagreed with his views imprisoned for anti revolutionary ideas.

Like he believed you need to plant lots of the same crop physically close together as they don't compete, freezing plants introduce an inheritable frost resistance and that inheritable traits from hybridization always selected the desirable trait (a subjective opinion the plant clearly doesn't care about).

Jewish cuckpitalism

Sorry, I don't speak nigger, can you translate this to English or provide a definition in English?

No commies built housing fast. You didnt have to wait 20 years. Building bunch of commie blocks is easy as fuck.

Anon you may be don't know but in USSR in Moscow and Leningrad standard for housing expansion was 55 square feet per resident.
So if you have family of 5 living in 2 room 330 square feet apartment Khrushchevka they were supposed to live like this forever and had no right to get into to waiting list for larger residence

you will live in thee pod

Eternal commie slogan.

Yeah guy was batshit insane, system failed there.

Yeah and when it's something as basic as agronomics and the man is kept in power for 30 years it's a systemic problem.

He's even the advisor to the Chinese that resulted in their famine. Man was an international disaster.

20 years

Made up lie, it was from 1 year up to 12 with 7 years being the most average

Toilet paper

USSR started producing it only 2 years later after US, drop your bs
Butthurt niggers and lies do come together, huh?

People bitch about waiting list while you have to take 30 years long loan for similar apartment these days or live in rent slavery your whole life.
I would rather wait.

USSR started producing it only 2 years later after US,

Your first TP pulp mill was in 1969?

You must be redditor to believe in shit like that lol

Lmao

1) 33 square meters of total living space per person; 2) 42 square meters of total living space per family of two; 3) 18 square meters of total living space per family member per family of three or more

You had 118 square meters for family with 5 children.
Why do judeoniggers always lie?

Why do vodka niggers have so much trouble with the read comprehension again?

No it did not work in past it will not work now. Free economy works when the politicians are not corrupt crooks and police company's properly.

The job of polticans is to destroy monopoly's where ever they show up.

Company's have no right to make politics they just have to follow them. Run after the carrot on the stick like idiots they are.

Politics hold the carrot on stick and company's run after them that's how a healthy economic environment looks. The second any one gets a bite of the carrot you shoot the knee caps off and heal them and send back to run after the carrot.

Main problem of the Soviet Planned economy were
1) Trying to such complex economic system before computers made it much bureaucratic in order to work at all.
2) Kosygin reforms. After "Marketers"(proponents of adding market/capitalist economy things such as profitability into plan) Defeated "Planners"(proponents of being 100% planned economy),they started to turn Soviet economy into a chimera of planned/market economy that simply didn't worked. "Marketers" Made their reforms only in USSR and so it started to decay first, while Warsaw pact was untouched. Due to this WP countries didn't have queues for bread like USSR did and held much better economically, while still being communists like USSR.
Hence you have retards spreading shit like this
With idea that USSR was propelled by its pawns, and not they were simply untouched by retarded reforms that destroyed planned economy of USSR.

Picrel. If you ever wondered why bread lines started only in 70-80 but not under Stalin/Khrushchev

No. I’m saying hardline lefties have been bulled out of relevance by literal faggots.

Yes, liberals. Capitalists. Fake leftists who want to hold on to money and financial profit and just claim they want to tax the fuck out of everyone, as if that solves all of the intrinsic, system problems of capitalism.

You think history is a linear path.

What does this even mean?

You are not correct in anything.

Yes I am.

Will recommend Hayeks

Of course a goyman recommends a jew or jew golem's garbage.
(((Friedman)))
Thanks for proving my point that capitalism is jewish and pushed by jews.

How's that infinite free energy machine coming along?

I assembled the first iteration this weekend but it isn't spinning. It seems like it's locked up solid. I suspect it's due to insufficient accuracy in production, so I'm not willing to share photos showing the assembled device on the chance that it would actually work if manufactured with sufficient accuracy. It absolutely requires a very high degree of accuracy because it has two axis of rotation instead of one.
I was pretty emotionally slapped by this and am taking some days off from thinking about the redesign. However, I already have the basic fundamental concept for the redesign in my mind. Single axis of rotation this time.

Lets replace a government owned by a lot of little corporations into one giant monopoly corporation.

The people at the top of communist societies are not greedy

Why are commies like this? The people running the command and control economies of the USSR / NK / Every fucking example ever - are the most greedy ones in that fucking country.

I suspect it's due to insufficient accuracy in production,

And not because of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics? Wow, hard to believe everybody starves when people like you are put in positions of power to run command economy.
But please humor me. What have you discovered that none of the actual great minds in history missed which disproves the laws of thermodynamics?
Do you believe your failure to create unlimited free energy will put a damper on your plans for utopia or do you still believe scarcity is a myth and you're still going to crack the code on how to have an infinite supply of free shit?

Yes I am.

(You)

>Will recommend Hayeks

Of course a goyman recommends a jew or jew golem's garbage.

Pretty good analysis, proven after published.
Will recommend even written by a woman, a Ni**** or reptiloids.

Here, here's the photo I'm willing to share.

503376742 (You)

downloaded, will read it.

Pretty good idea, it's so called Austrian school. But as always the analysis is outstanding, but his solutions are pure BS.

AI worshiping retard.
Garbage in - garbage out.

And not because of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics?

No, I don't believe that the laws of thermodynamics prevent you from extracting torque from gravitational attraction.

Wow, hard to believe everybody starves when people like you are put in positions of power to run command economy.

We'll see who has the last laugh.

But please humor me. What have you discovered that none of the actual great minds in history missed which disproves the laws of thermodynamics?

This is but the first iteration. I'll make the second iteration much simpler and design in looser tolerances and probably also have it manufactured elsewhere, at an actual CNC machining shop whose accuracy I can trust.

Do you believe your failure to create unlimited free energy

You don't understand. Gravity is the source of unlimited free energy. I'm just looking for a device to get me some of that unlimited free energy as free torque.

will put a damper on your plans for utopia

No. I'm not cattle who doesn't dare to dream or can't even dream.

or do you still believe scarcity is a myth

Scarcity is a scale.

and you're still going to crack the code on how to have an infinite supply of free shit?

Yes.

Main problem of the Soviet Planned economy were 1 2 3 4 5 ...

Main problem is as always the power some caste gained. In the socialist system these are the planners, party members and bureaucrats.

They sit direct on company chairs (wich are not companies any more instead government departments) and start the nespotic machine as always. Every one with knowledge, talent engagement would be depressed. It is like 4chans model of India on steroids. Ive seen that direct over min. one decade.

Can you give us a quick rundown of how that was meant to create unlimited energy? What evidence do you have that disproves the laws of thermodynamics?

tl;dr
hope you die

c'mon, comrade. You know we can't let some dissident child move in on the grift.

Main problem of the Soviet Planned economy were

1) Trying to such complex economic system before computers made it much bureaucratic in order to work at all.

Not really. Buerocrats made Soviet union buerocratic.
You need to look at buerocracy as self serving organism it is. No one ever gets fired even in capitalist nations.
Also Russia has tendency to centralize everything in order to keep power. You have had same form of rule trough centuries. Soviets changed nothing.

Big brain question here. Why not have both?!

Have central planed economy for materials like building and food. Have free market for stuff like entertainment, cloth?

Monipolies bad

So lets create one giant monopoly

Commies, not even once

Free market monopoly ≠ planned economy monopoly

one dictates prices at its whim the other just is

You have, you are simply not aware of it.

Can you give us a quick rundown of how that was meant to create unlimited energy?

Generating torque from an unbalanced wheel with the unbalancing being maintained constantly.

What evidence do you have that disproves the laws of thermodynamics?

What a retarded question. Gravitational attraction itself disproves the laws of thermodynamics.

I don't believe that the laws of thermodynamics

OK, so you don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics and apparently don't understand them. But then again, I guess you're smarter than everybody else in the history of the world so you'll sort this out.

Gravity is the source of unlimited free energy.

One way. Then to get that energy again you must apply work against it. But again, I'm sure a clever Dick like you has already sorted that out. You probably just need to add more complexity and losses to your machine and that should solve the issue.

No. I'm not cattle who doesn't dare to dream

You are a child who cannot differentiate dreams from reality.

Scarcity is a scale.

Once you sort out your infinite free energy machine I'm looking forward to you disproving the concept of scarcity.

Explain. You mean OPEC? What else?

Generating torque from an unbalanced wheel with the unbalancing being maintained constantly.

So how does the falling side create enough force to lift the side which must be raised AND overcome losses, AND generate some kind of excess? Are you going to disprove Newton's laws of motion or do you not believe in those either?

Lol, lmao

Based and T-Doll-pilled.

private fire departments aren't a good idea

every fire department is volunteer where I live and we have the fastest response times in the state. checkmate nigger. turns out dudes love quitting work on the spot to go race huge trucks all over and fight huge flames.

An unregulated market is efficient, but one man can gain too much power. A semi regulated market is somewhat inefficient, and beurocrats have too much power. In a fully regulated market the government and by proxy one man (the head of government) has too much power, and it is also very very inefficient.
If there were a simple solution we wouldn't be having a century long war/debate around the matter you fuckwit.
Empirical evidence shows that semiregulated markets work best, the debate now between wolrd powers such as china, europe and america comes down to the degree of regulation, american and china representing the two exptremes of the spectrum. But america has abandoned unregulated markets, and china has abandoned fully regulated markets.

volunteer fire department is the opposite of a private fire department that operates to make a profit retard.

Communism is biological and must be dealth with as such.
Capitalism isn't perfect but communism fails every time and they will just keep trying it.
The reason is its a biological phenomenon. If you are communist you are biotrash.

OK, so you don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics and apparently don't understand them.

Ok boomer.

But then again, I guess you're smarter than everybody else in the history of the world so you'll sort this out.

I don't think I'm the thirst one to think of this. So either this doesn't work or th jews killed the others.

One way.

So is going from high pressure to low pressure inside of an internal combustion engine.

Then to get that energy again you must apply work against it.

That's where the varying level arm length comes in.

But again, I'm sure a clever Dick like you has already sorted that out.

We'll see.

You probably just need to add more complexity and losses to your machine and that should solve the issue.

No, second iteration will have a single axis of rotation.

You are a child who cannot differentiate dreams from reality.

Everything around you which you acknowledge as real was a dream in someone's head at some point in the past.
Boomer.

Once you sort out your infinite free energy machine I'm looking forward to you disproving the concept of scarcity.

Scarcity is intentionally maintained.

So how does the falling side create enough force to lift the side which must be raised AND overcome losses, AND generate some kind of excess?

I already told you, varying lever arm length.

Are you going to disprove Newton's laws of motion or do you not believe in those either?

I already told you, varying lever arm length. Longer lever arm length on the descending side, shorter on the ascending side.

Everybody who doesn't believe in infinite free energy is over 70 years old.

That's the only possible explanation. That or all of us retirees already own infinite free shit machines and just aren't telling you because we think you're a dumb faggot.

inside of an internal combustion engine.

Did you know that those don't just spin forever and require you to put fuel in to generate the energy? Or is your next project to make an internal combustion engine that operates on distilled water?

varying lever arm length.

Fantastic, you don't understand and don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics, Newton's laws of inertia, AND you don't understand how simple machines (the lever, the wheel or the inclined plane) work.
Do you even know the basic formulas for calculating energy or work?

The best irony about you vomiting out your retardation in these threads show how mind broken you collectivists are to not understand that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

all of us retirees

Clocked ya, didn't I?

Did you know that those don't just spin forever and require you to put fuel in to generate the energy?

That wasn't the point, you old fart. The point was that the energy is one way there as well. Gravitational attraction doesn't need you to replenish its fuel.

Or is your next project to make an internal combustion engine that operates on distilled water?

No, still focused on the gravity engine. See the pic I posted. Already designed, had parts manufactured and assembled the first iteration.
The second iteration is a different approach. Single rotational axis, instead of two.

Fantastic, you don't understand and don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics

Gravitational attraction disproves the laws of thermodynamics.

Newton's laws of inertia, AND you don't understand how simple machines (the lever, the wheel or the inclined plane) work.

What part of variable lever arm length do you not grasp, boomer?
The lever arm is longer on the way down than the way up. By design. This is achieved by keeping the offset weights always horizontal, throughout the entire arc of rotation/spin cycle of the device. That way, the radius of the rotational arc is added to the lever arm length on one side of the wheel and subtracted from it on the other side of the wheel. Which means that the ballast/weights have a shorter lever arm from the centre of rotation on the way up than the way down.
If/when you'll see it working you'll just pretend you thought of this yourself and imagined and knew about it all along. Boomer.

Do you even know the basic formulas for calculating energy or work?

Don't need them in order to design my proof of concept, scale model demonstrator prototype. But the first iteration did teach me that I need to design for garbage quality manufacturing with abominable accuracy and precision. I need to design with that in mind and design around the garbage manufacturing quality available within reasonable costs.

The best irony about you vomiting out your retardation in these threads show how mind broken you collectivists are to not understand that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

The free lunch is observable fact of nature:
1. gravitational attraction persists and is unending without requiring refuelling by people.
2. parasites exist. Including in human society.

This is going to be the growing elephant in the room in the coming decades.

Commies lie a lot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy

No.
I lived at that time

No it was very fucking bad and only when they stopped commanding they started doing better.
Japanese stakeholder capitalism is the best
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t. Msc in Applied Economics

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okay turkish gypsy

I'm not turkish, retard. All economists are either useful idiot retards or open shills for judaism and the jew world order (capitalism).

Okay Indonesian gypsy, you disregarded my argument and start sperging out against capitalism which is a big umbrella term for many versions of capitalism. If you had any idea about econ you would understand that I am against Jews from what I posed at first.

Okay Indonesian gypsy, you disregarded my argument and start sperging out against capitalism which is a big umbrella term for many versions of capitalism.

I define capitalism as:
1. Monetary system/means of exchange/legal tender.
2. For financial profit operated economy or sections of the economy.

If you had any idea about econ you would understand that I am against Jews from what I posed at first.

You can't be against jews and for capitalism. You're lying about one or the other.

crony capitalism bad

crony politburo le good

Tankies need a blood eagle tattoo

Look here philipine gypsy, Exactly as you described the term capitalism is a very general definition of a system. If you had actually dug deeper you would know that there many policies that defined ways of operation under capitalism.
You have
-US kike capitalism: everything for the shareholders
-EU mix of: shareholder and stakeholder focus
-Japan's almost pure stakeholder capitalism which is being heavily undermined by rothschilds &USA since the 90s, which is pretty much what Hitler and Musolinis faschism is all about. Please go read a book about fascism and what it means economically.
Posting gdp and M3 graphs doesnt really say anything to me aside from what any polack already knows about money printers to bail out kikes and their governments.
Also m3 is hardly a good indicator for anything.

two more weeks

TL;DR
Romaniabro, i suspect you're a faggot.
...
USA resembles the classic America of the founding fathers less and less.
All the scum gets to vote now (leads to socialism), used to be "Free White Men Who Owns Land".
The less Based America becomes, the more jewed and non-free, the closer to Socialist EU Eurocomissar rule(aka Deep State USAID), THE WORSE IT GETS EVERY YEAR.

This is on the right track, but misguided from a lack of knowledge. The truth is, big data and massive Monte Carlo simulations, combined with some form of AI, almost certainly can create an economy that is more effective than the free market "price system" that capitalists are so proud of. Not pure communism, but some kind of third path.

You're a moron.

Look here philipine gypsy, Exactly as you described the term capitalism is a very general definition of a system.

I don't need to be more specific than that.

If you had actually dug deeper you would know that there many policies that defined ways of operation under capitalism.

Irrelevant. It's just varying degrees of bad. It all runs on money printing and therefore currency debasement, inflation and on stealing from workers and savers.

You have

-US kike capitalism: everything for the shareholders

-EU mix of: shareholder and stakeholder focus

Irrelevant. It's just varying degrees of bad. It all runs on money printing and therefore currency debasement, inflation and on stealing from workers and savers.

-Japan's almost pure stakeholder capitalism which is being heavily undermined by rothschilds &USA since the 90s, which is pretty much what Hitler and Musolinis faschism is all about.

Irrelevant. It's just varying degrees of bad. It all runs on money printing and therefore currency debasement, inflation and on stealing from workers and savers.

Please go read a book about fascism and what it means economically.

I don't read books. I think and ponder things on my own. I don't regurgitate other people's words, either in written or spoken form.

Posting gdp and M3 graphs doesnt really say anything to me

It should. It should show you that:
1. capitalism runs on ever accelerating creation of legal tender.
2. which requires that the legal tender be fiat currency.
3. GDP is entirely irrelevant, worse than irrelevant even, as it's inflated by money printing/currency debasement and actually also by scarcity forcing people to spend their savings into circulation.

money printers to bail out kikes and their governments

Capitalism is the perpetual bailing out of businesses and corporations using the money printer. Not just sometimes, occasionally or intermittently but always

Also m3 is hardly a good indicator for anything

It shows capitalism runs on fiat printing

If the economic model outside liberalism were bad or worse than liberalism, liberals wouldn't need to sanction or embargo countries that choose this path.
It's a logical question.

Salty.
Rouble printer go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!