today Spain is burning gas and emptying the water in the dams like crazy, confirmed that it was Solar and Wind power that wrecked the grid yesterday from an energy drop that couldn't be compensated
Today Spain is burning gas and emptying the water in the dams like crazy...
fake news chuddׄ. wind and solar are free and reliable
Please be the straw that kills renewables forever.
Nuclear power stations and hydroelectric dams are effective, but they take years to build, so it won't happen overnight.
Turbines are big lumps of spinning metal, which is useful for providing inertia.
We have those but they're being decommissioned. If that puts an end to the anti nuclear meme I'll be happy.
teething problems. having a variety of energy sources and stress testing shit is a white man's adventure.
it'd be retarded for spain not to have extensive solar energy.
Oh it absolutely won't be. Catastrophic cascade failure will be the excuse to double down. They'd be abolishing AC if half their retarded memeshit shit didn't heavily depend on it.
It was a Russian cyber attack faggot
Cheaper and cleaner energy
Hey let's burn poison because it's fun even if it's more expensive!
Yes, very smart indeed. Not something a complete NPC would say at all. Just need more nukular power.
confirmed that it was Solar and Wind power that wrecked the grid yesterday
Called it:
Always the same. The green cancer is destroying the European energy system.
I'm shocked how easily they do it, and how there's apparently no high IQ engineers who could told you this exact thing would happen.
No this is a much more fundamental problem. PV panels produce DC which has to be inverted to synchronized AC at 50Hz. The problem is that it's not that simple and what actually happens at every power plant is that you synchronize your output to the grid. In a traditional turbine you have an enormous spinning mass that takes a long time to change frequency, which is good because it forces you to be stable, in turn making the grid stable overall. What happened here is that 8 gorillion solar inverters are all following each other and can dramatically change frequency within milliseconds, one ripples a little bit and the ones near it follows, until you cause full blown grid-wide oscillation and when the frequency drops below 49.9Hz the self protection breakers snap everything apart and the whole country goes black.
To fix this problem is going to require an absurd amount of money because there is pretty much only one way and it's an country-wide network of centrifugal UPSs that will also waste what little EROI this memeshit energy had to begin with.
Russia Russia Russia
it'd be retarded for spain not to have extensive solar energy
And a healthy variety of alternatives to back it up.
We'll see, this is real shit politics and people got spooked, doubling down could end feel good environmental policies in this cunt forever.
There are solutions that could be implemented. It will be even more absurdly expensive and possibly even reduce the EROI below 1 again but that has been their reality since they began this idiotic crusade. This is yet another amazing excuse to raise taxes to change the weather even more.
Yes, Russia. Our enemy.
We don't need Putler's bloodsoaked LNG! We have wind and solar
kek
Either you're a jew, or a victim of jewish propaganda. Russia dgaf about trolling tapasniggers by shutting down your Netflix.
Nuclear power stations and hydroelectric dams are effective
but both of those are fascist in Spain cause the fascist dictator built a lot of them, kek
Zoom out and look at the day before.
Photovoltaics were producing too much power which desynchronized the grid, not too little. No shit you start with the pumped storage and natural gas to restart the grid, you connect the renewables later
it'd be retarded for spain not to have extensive solar energy.
the current grid is not ready for it, and they haven't invested in the grid in decades, they just put the solar panels and YOLO'd
politicians pushed for 100% renewable because it looks good in the headlines, but it made the grid very fragile because it wasn't ready for it
So is Spain having some kind of thunderdome free-for-all where heaps of people are getting killed?
the current grid is not ready for it, and they haven't invested in the grid in decades, they just put the solar panels and YOLO'd
This is 100% what happened in Greece as well. The national grid has been abandoned and neglected for decades, but our gov rushed to give photovoltaic licenses to the "right" people (friends, lobbyists and families of politicians that could get EU subsidies and money from selling power to the grid, it is still impossible to get a license approved if you're a regular person without nepotism and bribery).
The result is the grid not being up to snuff to cope with the fluctuations in solar output and they have to TEXT owners of PV installations to go to their fields and MANUALLY disconnect their system at a random point of the day because the system can't do it automatically, and if they don't do it the same hour, you get a fine.
Absolute shitshow. Not that coal is any better (the coal plant area of Greece is cancer central) but they should have invested in the grid first, Greece just like Spain could be majority solar.
The problem is that it's not that simple and what actually happens at every power plant is that you synchronize your output to the grid.
they say it's even harder when you re-start your grid from 0, we were lucky to be connected to the French and Moroccan grids that helped us to get everything back online and synchronized, otherwise it could have taken days, kek
>We don't need Putler's bloodsoaked LNG! We have wind and solar
tbf in Spain we can get gas from Argelia, but we have been buying record-levels of Russia gas after the war for some reason, kek
Photovoltaics were producing too much power which desynchronized the grid, not too little. No shit you start with the pumped storage and natural gas to restart the grid, you connect the renewables later
i think the nuclears and gas plants get automatically disconnected when the solar gets too high, so that the grid doesn't overload, they probably were too slow to start them back up when the solar suddenly dropped
It's next to impossible to restart the grid from 0 now. We used to keep coal fired plants as backups because they can relatively easily be cold started and set a synchronization benchmark to slowly bring the grid online.
nothing happened, there was suspicions of migrants rioting in some of the major cities in the dark, but the electricity was restored before the night arrived so we will not know, kek
Solar output didn't drop naturally, it was disconnected from automatic breakers because of a desynchronization cascade.
tbf in Spain we can get gas from Argelia,
Morocco gas pipeline is closed because political tensions between Argelia and Morocco
No, your grid operators first suspected space magic was responsible because they were suddenly reading massive oscillation in the grid frequency which is what triggered self protection circuits across all of Iberia. You have a very serious problem on your hands here because for decentralized AC to work you need something like massive flywheels everywhere to keep small fluctuations from impacting the overall frequency. The tolerances are surprisingly tight.
i think that's the job of the combined cycle power plants, hydroelectric power plants, and nuclear power plants, they just went retarded and allowed a too high % of the energy to come from solar and wind cause they wanted the headlines on the newspapers about 100% renewable, they did the same on the 16th of April but that time they got lucky and nothing happened
pv-magazine.com
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Sure, it's easy as long as you don't go full retard and decommission for religious reasons.
oh...
the anti-nuclear shit is so fucking weird.
it's an obvious 20% baseline for europe, ffs.
France shows that you can get to 70% if you also have hydroelectricity.
yeah, i assume they will blow up the nuclear plants, panic, and then start burning coal like retards, kek
on the border with the nuclear power house of the globe, seems odd that they couldn't make up the difference even more odd that france somehow has enough electrcity and isn't over burden with excesses
And as usual libtard news completely tries to omit that the whole problem is due to renewables and instead it's a "rare natural phenomena" that caused a whole country to black out like some ghetto african shithole.
hydro
i feel like this is going to be the new carbon crisis meme shit in the near future. i suspect we're fucking over our oceans and lands somewhat by robbing everything of vital sediments
liking the uk's approach of small reactors. don't like the idea of centralisation. we need to learn serious lessons from the ukraine war and decentralise everything asap.
It could have been solar and wind making the grid less resistant to a sudden spike from a solar flare.
first official explanation, kek
Hydroelectricity is old.
Zaporizhzhia hasn't exploded yet. Only Akademik Lomonosov is a working SMR.
The real issue with solar is the energy storage.
All of this could be avoided easily if they could store enough energy to keep solar chugging during downtime.
Lithium isn't viable for grid level storage, but thermal batteries are coming a thing in the next few years, so this kind of bullshit should be avoided once that's up and running.
No, the problem isn't that solar was overproducing. The problem is that because solar was producing enough to power the country, the priests of global warming thought it was a fantastic time to take the physical 50Hz reference flywheels offline.
It was a cyberattack.
the hoover damn caused an earthquake in Alaska the us paid for damages, three gorges caused the fukashima disaster china refuses to admit their mistake and claims that they are too stupid to have thought of that so it is not their fault. plate tectonics is older than most of the people on this site yet the bugmen do not seem to understand.
i like flywheels.
why tho faggot ? you want to breathe coal like the mericans are going to or fight around your next nuclear disaster ? meaning going backwards because you like being retarded ?
AI could have been used to cause program shortages that caused protocol shutdowns from here to there
No.
Reliable electricity is important. Overcapacity, storage, and grid upgrades can solve solar and wind's problems, but (as Germany has shown) those cost money.
How can solar and wind wreck the grid?
Wont happen renewables are part of the NATO strategy the only real long term plan Europeans have
because there is pretty much only one way
Yeah, it's grid-balancing battery packs.
As opposed to what? Coal? Fossil fuel? Lol
It's because anti-nuclear groups are funded by oil companies lol
How can solar and wind wreck the grid?
Like our danske bro explained here: Du solltest erst mal den Faden lesen bevor du pfostierst, Neuschuchtel.
oceans are getting fucked though. they're being robbed of sediments which used to flow into them.
just don't feel like it's a long term solution.
old hydro shit isn't the same scale as every nigger building a dam.
congo for example want to build the world's biggest dam on the wateralls between kinsahasa and the coast.
need a qrd on dams causing earthquakes. seems a bit Anon Babble desu. i'm more worried about marine ecosystems
carbon isn't inherently bad. more carbon = more heat = more evaporation = more rain = more life.
fucking with marine systems is ogre though, think we need to leave the seas the fuck alone.
the amount of kikery connected to oil and gas is the only viable reason to want this net zero meme shit
one other way to fix it would be to convert all the households to DC power instead of AC. the problem with renewables and the grid will just keep getting worse otherwise.
True.
Large solar farms in particular can cause shocks to the grid of something goes wrong and they experience an uncontrolled shutdown.
Environmentalists being retarded as usual.
Russia hates Europe. Only useful idiots believe that Russia will leave us alone.
Either Europe destroys Russia or Russia will destroy Europe.
why can't you faggots never ever post a link to your source, are you actually fucking retarded?
demanda.ree.es
kys OP, do it now
Environmentalism and anti-nuclear activists are/were creations of the soviet/russian secret services in order to weaken Europe.
Not gonna pretend this is impossible, because it's definitely possible and a real solution, but I don't think there's a word for how much you're underestimating the cost of that operation.
Solar and wind are actually easier to start from zero.
Coal, gas and nuclear plants need electricity to operate.
When the grid is down they don't have the power to start them up.
Solar panels can be started with just some electronics running off a small battery and wind turbines only need a little power to release the brakes.
The continental shelf is basically flooded land. Rivers still flow underground in the seas, and there's still plant life and forests, etc. If you keep damming rivers, you're robbing the continental shelf of its nutrients which help sustains a shitload of life.
all systems need to flow. if you start blocking shit and charging a toll, there's consequences.
nuclear is based. hydro is probably the worst energy source environmentally.
environmentalism is a white man's pursuit. russian dogs have somehow manipulaed the tony blair university generation into believing nuclear is the devil though, and ignore kikes fucking up the planet.
Russia will destroy the EU and Europe be happy.
This. Next time i hope that its a nuclear factory that explodes so that russians can do holy pilgrimage in greater chernobyl.
muh russians
get a fresh script
anglokike seethes and recoils at the idea of the sun not being covered by pollution fumes
Kek
But...everyone hates Europe. The world hates everything about you. Sure, some white people used to live there, but that's about the only mark in the Pros column I can think of.
There's going to be more powerouts
is that a threat?
they won't give a shit. them and their cronies are making bank with it, and they don't give a shit if the nation collapses over it
Don't you have a centralized grid with the rest of EU and these fluctuations shouldn't be as severe?
No.
a 0.15 Hz drop in frequency was enough to cause cascading failure. the issue will only get worse as more renewables are brought online. germany will probably be next to face these kinds of blackouts
nukes for yesterday
locally, sure. at the scale required to power transcontinental electric grids? you're kidding yourself
Yup, it's centred in Istanbul. Should drone strike it.
There must be a cheaper way to control the frequency than a giant flywheel or batteries. Just, like, apply some electricity to it dude.
it's doesn't do much if the frogs have to cut off to avoid going dark
ground the entire grid to a metal mountain
I wish we could separate nuclear fags into a separate territory and then we each drone strike each others power sources. It would be hilarious for us to shrug and for them to give birth to three headed cyclopes for the next five genrations.
but they can't use nuclear weapons in response, that would be WONG.
You get nuked back so in essence you are double nuked. And just simple sabotage would be hilarious to see you pointing fingers at each other over who is responsible for the next five generations of freaks while for us it would be this thread lol. Get fucked nuclear fag.
solar faggot uses 6 months of his total energy allowance to fly a drone into my LWR
somehow actually blows hole through armored concrete containment building and the core
water leaks out
reaction stops
send waste plutonium back as a gift
one country out of literal hundreds that use renewable
something happens
...well, it's definitely that thing I hate this time
What's this logical fallacy called? Confirmation bias? Appeal to emotion? Retarded nigger-syndrome caused by moor blood?
Massive cope. Spains entire solar system just dropped itself off of the grid and took the power with it.
actually my nuclear factories are super enforced against missiles and have water instead of nuclear matter
Uh-huh
Just threaten to shoot the electrons if they don't stay at 50 Hz.
So you don't know how nuclear reactors work and you're very proud of that fact. Weird flex but okay.
what's with these "green" parties and their obsession to end nuclear energy
that's just the equivalent of banning fire because it just spreads and causes destruction all around and yet despite of its destructive power it propelled an entire species
this event in spain shows grid complexity scaling has inherent limits. synchronizing a billion endpoints off the inertia of one grid-wide AC wave isnt going to work at (much) bigger scale. seems like it is time to repay the technical debt of AC households, or at least start for new building. all our expensive devices are already dc. most of our appliances have much lower loads than they used too, or are wired high voltage already, which can still work the same if needed.
it really is a wave-following vs wave-forming issue of non-inertia (micro) generation. ac needs spinning shit to round it out, or else all the DC shit just approximately makes AC power. in an all solar world, that's become a huge grid stability problem.
Well enlighten me. Would it be chernobyl 2.0 or not? And if your factory gets destroyed is it easier to replace than solar or not?
Electricity was being pulled from Morocco and France to restore power to southern and northern Spain, Sanchez said, thanking their governments. Spain was also increasing the production from hydroelectric and combined cycle thermal power plants.
the countries with equal or more renewable backfield Spain power loss
...but it's "muh solar farms"
Okay, ma'am.
have majority solar grid
lose power across the entire nation for an entire day
it’s not solars fault!
Ok, ma’am.
And that's something every decent engineer could have told you before fucking up your grid for wef good boy points
it can be done if you invest a lot in the grid, we haven't invested in the grid in decades
actually my nuclear factories are super enforced against missiles
when you look at averages (or whatever the hell garbage data google pulls for you these days) the nuance of instantaneous power generation is lost. spain was generating over 70 percent of it's energy from solar/wind as the grid desynchronized
In the west we've traditionally used LWRs with partially enriched (~5% U235) uranium. The fuel is solid so a meltdown is technically possible but the moderator is water so if you blast a hole in the core, the water leaks out and the reaction just sort of stops. If your core blows up like at TMI you end up with a splatter on the inside of the containment building and nothing more. The most dangerous thing in your scenario would be walking past the containment building after you've blown a hole through both that and the core but before the reaction has had the chance to cool down. They're just not that dangerous because there's no way of getting an uncontained meltdown.
Couldn't they use DC to spin a motor and produce AC that way? It's how I would do it with high-school tier physics I can't even fathom what electronic magic happens inside a digital inverter
You're an emotional idiot. It's not the source of generation, it's ensuring your grid/infrastructure isn't a shit show.
See Texas:
eia.gov
texastribune.org
EROI in solar is low, you probably lose even more if you do that and makes it not worth having the power plants
Your EROI is barely above 1 and you want to piss something like 70% of the energy you generate away on running a brushed DC motor? Not a fantastic plan in my opinion. BLDC motors are really just AC motors with half an inverter inside so same diff.
BEHOLD
Yea you just copy pasted random stuff that seem precautions for possible accidents and not missile attack didnt you? All im saying is that we should round you up and then make you ingest nuclear matter, nothing more than that.
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Whats it like being a coward ukrainian hiding in a safe country while your brothers die on the frontlines? Do you feel bad being a pathetic loser in hiding?
I thought it was just conditional hypotheticals you people couldn't understand but apparently it's any kind of hypothetical. Interesting.
Again, see...
You can generate power all you want, but if you can't deliver and distribute it, then it means nothing. Can you show me an actual loss in generation?
And no one is saying it's impossible, but it's highly speculative, since countries like China and India, for all of their faults, haven't experienced this presumed "solar blackout." If they did we would still all be taking about it.
How do i explode the core before the containment building with a missile attack retardo and why would i leave it standing? Just admit that you copy pasted something that seemed like an answer and then ingest some nuclear matter.
IT'S DA RENEwABLeS
Only 70% rebweables, see? This clearly doesn't work.
Why are you like this?
Why can't we build nuclear plants like civilised people?
I hate commies so fucking much, I want to strip down every fucking solar farm and windmill and turn whatever production it had into nuclear, I don't want my countryside and nature polluted by those pieces of shit chinesium ticking time bombs
Why are we factually correct and honest? I dont know. Its the right thing to do my tranny loving friend
How do we even trust EROI calculation methodologies? I've seen estimates for different energy sources varying wildly between different peer-reviewed sources, like nuclear being only 5 according to some and as much as 70 according to others. Solar and wind have huge ranges too, again depending on the source, and fossil fuels will vary a lot depending on the specific characteristics of the place they came from.
So what's the current hypothesis of what caused this?
Government incompetence and grid mismanagement?
Cyber attack?
Random production collapse?
Something else?
I'm just angry this shit even happened in the first place, even if I fortunately didn't have any severe consequences beyond dealing with traffic to go back home and having a cold meal and dinner. This is some proper 3rd world shit and it's unacceptable.
Do you think missiles make large concrete structures disappear on impact? Missiles blow holes in things you fucking idiot.
tranny
Keep coping mutt.
This is some proper 3rd world shit and it's unacceptable.
Just med things en.wikipedia.org
And?
Your grid is shit. Don't over think it.
im not disagreeing, it's the fact that synchronization difficulty does not scale linearly anymore as you approach almost entirely renewable generation. there needs to be reliable base load, it's the reason the chinks build more coal plants than solar installations but you don't hear as much about the coal plants
Europe is the home of the white man and we will fight the entire planet in order to protect our race and home. Death to Russia! Death to America!
what is with all the morons who don't seem to understand that nuclear is much more expensive than solar, especially in a country like spain with so many of hours of sun per year? that's why the reactors are shut down, they are not profitable. building new nuclear reactors at this point would be beyond retarded, literally the same as burning a stack of a few billion euros.
And you have no way of creating a sustained nuclear meltdown in a light water reactor with a missile. The worst you can do it blow it up and stop the reaction but irradiate any asshole stupid enough to walk past the hole you made in the containment building. If you set off a nuke directly below it and literally vaporized it you wouldn't even make the surrounding area as radioactive as your average patch of sand in California.
They're all probably russia funded since they all want(ed) to import russian gas. Not that their accounts will ever get investigated, that treatment is reserved for rightwing parties
If it was so shit this would have happened some other time before this.
I've never experienced an outage like this and neither have my parents or grandparents.
Pointing to a single 22 year old incident is not indicative of a pattern, if anything it points to the grids being reliable.
It's only expensive upfront. If you actually maintain and support nuclear you get more power, for longer, with less surface area to generate it and a more stable and predictable output.
People are lazy and short term focused to get that sweet sweet re-election in 4 years, so they rather spend money on flashy "le green" projects and subsidizing moors, niggers and old fucks
they are more expensive, period. it takes 20 years to pay off the cost of building a nuclear reactor, but even beyond that the cost of running it is not competitive. and who gives a fuck about area in a country like spain that is 90% empty?
Ah, so the grid needs to be completely replaced so that it doesn’t collapse when the solar generation fluctuates a wee bit.
Considering this event just proved that you need a new grid for solar to work, I think solar is easily more expensive than nuclear.
and who says that, you? lmao. nobody knows yet why this happened, but of course people like you don't care about facts, you are just latching onto anything to justify your biases.
It was most likely the official explanation about some technicality related to the frequency fluctuations.
The only conspiracy that makes sense to me is that the Spanish PM has been going off about Palestine too much so maybe the jews decided to do a show of force.
I dunno, something actually useful like manufacturing or more agricultural exploitation? People are always complaining about "muh emptied Spain!" Then fucking fill it with something useful.
If cities are crowded and jobs are shit why not develop the fucking flatlands? Better than blanketing it in cheap Chinese photovoltaic panels if you ask me.
And on "taking 20 years to pay off a nuclear plant" So what? If we build a plant I want that motherfucker working for 50 and I want it to be a stepping stone on I+D on making more efficient, smaller and cheaper safe power plants.
If have to have a fucking nuclear powerplant in front of my house to advance the technology and our electricity independence I will have that bitch. I'm tired of the massive electricity bills inflated with retarded taxes like with fucking gas and gasoline
The Army on the streets when!
for the electric power shutdown?
the what?
Balls deep in solar huh?
Sucks
The joke conspiracy is that he did this to cover and erase/steal documents regarding his brother being formally accused of corruption.
If Felipe had the balls he would pull a gun on Sanchez and blow his retarded face in public
It was most likely the official explanation about some technicality related to the frequency fluctuations.
yes, but the question is why this fluctuation brought down the whole grid, fluctuations can always happen
You're missing the bigger picture; they'll never be built, can't be built and if you try you are a bunch of incel nazis like the people at doge.
Really retard? You are now trying to bait me that missile attack=1 missile? Get fucked you are wasting my time.
felipe, masón, saca los tanques hijodeputa
the 20 years matters because it is a massive gamble to spend billions of euros to build a nuclear plant that assumes that technology is not going to change. in fact, it has already changed due to solar panels dropping massively in price. you can safely assume that they will continue being cheaper, and battery technology will also improve. the price of running a nuclear plant built today is never going to decrease. and as i already said: they are already more expensive to run than solar. yes, some base load generation is necessary, but even for that there are better alternatives.
nobody knows yet why this happened
Massive cope. You lost 15GW of power in 5 seconds, and the only system on your grid that can provide that power is your solar.
The solar infrastructure failed, which is what caused the blackout.
Our (separatist) town sent out the garbage men to broom the streets in the middle of the day (they usually do this at dawn). They also placed firefighter trucks in the main square.
I nooticed. Such an obvious desperate attempt to prevent anarchy.
Solar infrastructure doesn’t scale well, so it becomes increasingly complicated (and more expensive) to make such infrastructure resilient and redundant.
Everything seemed more normal with Spain and France offline.
sure thing mutt bro, whatever makes you feel better. mexico is going to pay the wall and china is also going to pay the tariffs.
retards not understanding power grid baseline generation once again
JUST INSTALL BATTERIES LMAO SOLAR IS CHEAPER PER WATT AHAHAHA
As an energy investor I love to see it. Fuck renewables. Hydro+Nuclear is the only way.
Yep, it’s completely normal in shitskin land Spain to lose 15GW of power in 5 seconds.
The total installed capacity of wind, solar and gas in Spain is about the same at ~30GW each, so no.
Le solar panels have evolved and now they are cheaper! That's why we should adopt them!
But that won't happen with nuclear just forget about it!
Sure buddy
what is with all the morons who don't seem to understand that nuclear is much more expensive than solar
neither nuclear, nor solar, may be cost effective without cheap oil and gas that allow massive subsidies to build them, we will find out in the next decades i guess.
a lot of the real costs gets hidden by ignoring how much oil you had to burn extracting uranium, or refining the necessary materials for the solar panels, or taking care of the trash that's left when the solar panels stop working or the wind turbines
until recently France was paying pennies for uranium to the niggers in Niger, we will see how the nuclear plants work out now that they don't have access to cheap uranium anymore
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But that won't happen with nuclear just forget about it!
are you retarded? of course it is not going to happen unless you build a new nuclear plant. once you build it, you are stuck with its shitty design for 50 years, with no possibility of upgrading it.
Unless you're teaching your missiles to operate the control room of the LWR you're not creating a sustained and uncontained meltdown.
To fix this problem is going to require an absurd amount of money
They will require agreement from zolar panel user side to disconecting it from grid if needed.
Ofcourse only smool goim size zolar panel prosuments will get zero sheckles for that energy lost.
Big zolar energy industry will be compensated for every wat of energy they never put into grid...
Check the stats.
Female voters are the root cause of this.
Females do not know how electricity is generated.
I said INSTALLED, check it yourself app.electricitymap.org
Implying power plants can't be upgraded and refined while in operation
If you have enough generation you can power down a plant, upkeep and upgrade it and get it back to working.
Your excuse is that it's hard and a long term commitment. Pathetic.
In this case it's boomers in general. These were the fags that got hit by the big nuclear scare propaganda and kept parroting it for half a century
we will see how the nuclear plants work out now that they don't have access to cheap uranium anymore
they could get it from................RUSSSSIA
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHA
No the actual solution is to have a network of traditional turbines running off of nuclear, or gas, or coal, or oil, whatever. Their problem is religious in nature. Their holy priests have decreed that all of these are haram and 100% solar is good. They do 100% solar, they hit grid scale issues, they'll inevitably refuse to be sensible human beings, and so they're going to do something egregiously expensive and silly like replacing every substation with DC boosts and bucks and tell you to replace all the electronics you own.
La Infanta Sofia will do it.
Well designs will certainly never improve if you just never try.
Even a shitty "bad" design can provide baseline power generation for 50 years which clearly you're failing at doing.
Why did that loss happen to begin with?
Are such losses common?
If not, what is the common loss value?
Are there no redundancies in place for when such losses happen?
If so, why not?
Saying that because of one event the whole system must be thrown out sounds irrational. Why not improved instead? If anything what this showed is that being too reliant on electric is a national security liability since everything is too centralized.
the uranium is not going to cost €0.80/kg like when they were ripping off niggers either way, kek
the stats from the day of the event is more relevant than installed stats.
60% of their generation dropped due to solar infrastructure and took the grid down with it.
kek, the Portuguese are mad and asking for a european audit, they will not eat the shit from the spanish president like the local boomers do
It comes after the Portuguese prime minister called on the EU’s Agency for the Cooperation of Energy Regulators to perform an independent audit of the outage.
Why did that loss happen to begin with?
a cloud went by
Are there no redundancies in place for when such losses happen?
they were shutdown, cuz solar great and everything else bad.
the uranium is not going to cost €0.80/kg
fuck the french, let them burn
why not improve the system
Because it’s cutting edge technology that isn’t proven and is expensive, that you need on scale.
It’s ridiculous to ask a nation to invest in such a thing when their entire grid collapsed AFTER making such investments. How many more investments are needed until the grid is as stable as it was before this all began?
Their problem is religious in nature.
This...they are heretics and as those should be burned alive in solar stove...easiest way to solve green crisis is to eradicate whole movement...permanently.
ps. What i write is what they doing here in Poland this is their cure for grid instability due "free rebelebluablews"
What's this logical fallacy called? Confirmation bias?
Somalia and Binland are balancing greenshit with nuclear and hydro...also they are smool countries. Harsh truth that you green priests are not preaching is that the more solar and wind shit you put into grid the more Gas, Coal or nuclear you need to balance it from shiting itself
thank god the portuguese has now a non-socialist prime minister, he won't eat shit up.
Kek. At least they were honest with them. They knew at lunch time that Lisbon wasn't going to be getting back until the next morning. They weren't fed the "6 to 10 hours" line of bullshit.
Yea i can see that in every nuclear meltdown since chernobyl. Shut the fuck up you danekike you are wasting my time. Go and build muclear plants all around you so that rasheed can poo in them and make nuclear matter more contaminated before it explodes in your face what do i care.
the only system on your grid that can provide that power is your solar.
You wrote this, which is obviously not true, your attempts at moving the goalpost are pretty obvious. Had you wrote "the only system on your grid that was providing that power at that point in time was your solar." it would have been correct, but you didn't.
That's what you said 20 years ago as well. Yet here you are having blackouts like an african country
it’s not true
Incorrect, see
Yeah all 1 of them and the 1 potential casualty that followed.
No anon we just have to reduce the demand or load for electricity. You don't need that much electricity do you anon?
Are wind turbines more stable then due to the large mass movement i.e. is wind less likely to cause these grid killing frequency shifts?
gee if only we had this technology of infinite clean power 7 decades ago and could have had a head start on this. oh wait.
I think most if not all wind turbines do multi-phase AC->DC->grid AC inversion.
But why? Sweden has half the uranium on the planet.
Can the initial AC -> DC in the multi-phase thingy go bang bang like in Spain or is Wind safe in this aspect?
it is not a sign of endemic failure,.... it is a well planned and deliberate act, none of this is by accident, this is to bring in new draconian powers aimed at depopulation and a NWO, never call these monsters stupid, they are very cunning, astute and dangerous people, the international bolshevkis are in total control.
Why are so many of our raw resource problems basically
Yeah we have a billion trillion tons of the stuff over here but the green party complained so we will exploit a third world shithole for subpar materials half a globe away.
No dude, have you ever stood out in the wind? Wind speeds obviously are highly variable, even worse with wind direction. And unlike solar, where there's a maximum value of sunlight that gets shined onto them, wind can spike UP as well as drop to nothing, damaging the turbines and overloading the grid unless you just disconnect the turbines from the blades and let them spin freely.
Wind is one of the worst possible energy sources for an energy grid.
They have other means of generating 15, or more, GW with a single type of power generation because they have the installed capacity to do it, you simply didn't word your sentence correctly.
Uranium price is super low because Kazakhstan accidentally flooded the market (they supply 40+% of the world's uranium). It's the only reason why reprocessing hasn't been used more. By the time uranium price starts to go up the french will have the capabaility of fully running off their plutonium stock, in other words, they'll be completely independent of uranium
I would imagine the inertria of the giant blades stabilizes the system and make frequency shifts slower compared to photovoltaic solar panels which are probably instantaneous. Just a guess though I don't know shit..
Plus windmill generators are ugly as sin, noisy, interfere with wildlife and are fucking death traps for maintenance crews.
I would assume it suffers the same cascade failure problem but we're operating 2 entirely separate DC-linked grids here and each is basically the size of a city so we're always sync'd to like 5 different countries that operate various turbines, or to our own coal plants.
And it's also possible to obtain uranium from sea water, it's just about 10 times more expensive than regular uranium extraction with current technology.
Hola,
Guess where pic related is from.
t. just a leaf passing by
good, I heard we had to disconnect our grid from yours to restore power
mfw some retard in Spain can suicide the entire peninsula
at least we'll know what actually happened hopefully
Obviously not since their power was out for an entire day.
I'd imagine the blade turbine is more inertial and less instantaneous than photovoltaic which would have like no inertia and just instantenous shifts. Maybe going AC - > DC first stabilizes it more compared to direct DC -> AC in photovoltaic?
he thinks the EU will ever admit renewables suck
You know they are a death cult right?
I can literally google nuclear incidents and see an extensive list with damages caused in each you stupid danekike. Danes are the jews of nordics.
I think most of the problem was not generating but distributing it without burning the entire grid down in the process
raw uranium ore is useless for nuclear power. needs to be refined, and sweden doesn't refine it at all to my knowledge. russia on the other hand produces about half of all the world's refined uranium
even the official libtard newspaper is shitting on the president, it may be over this time
More people died from falling off roofs while installing solar panels than from all nuclear accidents combined
So in the end, the grid became less stable as more of the generation has shifted to renewable technology.
Who would have guessed!
Over reporting.
Coal alone kills more while functioning normally
There have been exactly 3 meltdowns in history. TMI, which went splat on the inside of the containment building, Chernobyl which was designed to be as cheap as possible and blown up by the retards staffing it, and Fukushima which was technically a meltdown because a little bit of the fuel melted and otherwise did nothing.
Coal alone kills more while functioning normally
burn the coal, pay the toll
WIND AND SOLAR CONTROL BY THE CEO THAT WAS KILLED BY THE SPAINISH GOVERNMENT
let's wait to see the technical report before dismissing it
Sweden ranks 32nd on the list of uranium reserves. At best you could produce for your own consumption
how much more vulnerable renewable energy make us to a climate attack?
uh oh
There's two issues: yes, solar can drop rapidly and also come back rapidly, but it doesn't damage the solar panels and you can manage the change in generation with modern gas turbines which can spin up incredibly fast.
Wind Turbines don't change on the scale of seconds, more like tens of seconds. But that means that within a minute you can have a turbine overspin and start damaging itself. They require constant minding. Also they're highly geared systems so even small changes in rotation speed, even with the inertial dampening, can damage the gears and generators.
direct deaths are the only damage caused
Get burned alive
I don't think you understand how little uranium is actually used. Even setting aside that a breeder could generate at least 10x as much energy as your typical LWR on the same fuel we're still talking 1 fully loaded container ship of uranium being enough to cover all of France's 80% nuclear grid for the next 70 years.
El Pais obviously just wants to nationalize it all.
If you want an audit to find out what happened ur mad bro
weird take
It's literally one event, we had the ostrich event in 2000 and that doesn't mean everything has to be flipped upside down because of one event. A relatable example for you would be the Texas shutdown. You sound very biased and just wanting to push the nuclear agenda.
I don't know if it's cutting edge or not, electricity is electricity and the systems in place can't be that wildly different. I admit to being illiterate and curious to find out more but I won't fall for biased takes trying to push some other agendas.
it’s literally one event
Who cares that we leaked a manmade virus from a lab in Wuhan? It was literally one event.
And coal alone hurts people and it's surroundings more than nuclear still.
Or are you still scared by the fucking commies being cheap retards 40 years ago?
>Are there no redundancies in place for when such losses happen?
We do have redudencies for this, the two dams which is what the country is currently running on, after the black start
electricity is electricity and the systems in place can't be that wildly different
Completely incorrect, btw. Are you a proponent of renewable energy?
The real issue with solar is the energy storage.
All of this could be avoided easily if they could store enough energy to keep solar chugging during downtime.
Almost like
Without Solar and Wind
You do not need to solve Energy Storage problem
Almost like without generating problems for yourself you wouldnt have those problems...
I think the final AC inversion is entirely independent of the input current but I honestly don't know. This shit has gone through so many iterations it's hard to keep track. The fundamental problem is that your EROI is already so low that you can't afford to waste input power by moderating the amount of power you allow through. In principle you could synchronize a windmill directly to the grid but you'll be entirely off half the time and slamming the brakes the other half. I would guess that the most efficient setup is to use a generator with dozens of poles and then DC link it to the grid with an inverter like you would a solar panel.
Instead of that, invest in more fission and fussion.
Why the fuck store unreliable power when you can just generate more or less on demand?
Obviously not
If they have 30GW of installed gas, they can quickly generate all that under normal conditions.
since their power was out for an entire day.
Because restarting a grid is a very slow process.
Breeders aren't a thing yet. France has a pretty solid programme to power their whole fleet with MOX and construct fast reactors in which they'll be able to burn their depleted uranium. They'll be able to run for centuries without using any new uranium. But you're also overestimating reserves, it's predicted that we will run out of conventional sources by the end of the century, and all sources by 2150. Of course I don't believe these numbers since they've predicted running out of everything, but uranium prices will for sure rise in the second half of the century.
So....a cloud?
And the lost of some panels resonated all over the grid?
Genuine question: Lets say we go with nuclear in Denmark.
What do you think we should do with the waste products?
AFAIK the biggest obstacle with current nuclear tech is disposing of waste products. Findland, Sweden and France are trying to build giant underground stable geological tombs to hold the waste for 100,000 years timeframe, but still in production.
Germany was never able to get a proper disposal site hence why they stopped.
Storing and managing the waste is a huge problem in the US, France etc. If we get thorium molten salt tech the waste problem becomes minimal and I'd agree nuclear would be a no brainer, but with current uranium fission reactors? Dealing with the waste products makes it very unattractive.
EU
doing anything
lol, lmao even
The true energy source is burning communists
why you hate renewables so much anon? i see only benefits to it (if they were reliable)
based vende toallas
Luckily waste product production has been drastically reduced and some people have found uses for the byproducts to generate more power.
Hey, can you answer my post about EROI?
The estimations of sea water uranium that I've seen talk about at least millennia of reserves.
the real problem are the energy companies and the nuclear power plants!
kek the nerve of this motherfucker.
Who mentioned coal? Literal whatabout. Just one dishonest shitpost after another. Get burned alive will you?
You don't even need uranium anymore, the tech has been here for years.
Renewables are good as a supplement to a grid and preferably an individual household or small community. Widespread generation with them is retarded.
google.com
This is 3 years of electricity in Denmark. 8 months of all energy consumption in Denmark. It genuinely isn't a problem. If this presents a problem to you, we have both Copenhagen Atomics and Seaborg working on breeder reactors that would reduce it to about a shipping container's worth of continuous short-lived waste. The whole thing about burying nuclear waste in bedrock is largely a publicity stunt.
The chink molten salt reactor is experimental and only operational in small bursts.
It was my example of just one of the power sources in more common use nowadays with countries being retarded and closing their nuclear plants
Nothing beats good old fossils - coal, oil and gas.
Completely under your control, predictable, and if managed properly, doesn't pollute the environment.
Geothermal is also swag, but nobody wants to spend gazillions for very deep drilling.
i know shit about electricity, and of course digging up every single powerline in every house is a pipedream, but would it be an improvement if magically all sockets (and larger equivalents) had 2 extra pins for a more or less separate dc grid? and applicances can pull electricity from either
or would it result in unpredictable fluctuations in the ratio of both's usage, where you'd have to cover like 80% of your country's usage in generation capacity of BOTH variants?
why? unless you expect the climate to be unpredictable (which climate change theory defends) renewables are on paper the best energy source possible
Yeah this is where the pro atomic crowd lose me. The idea that waste products with current fission reactors is "not a big deal bro" is fucking BS.
We'd have to either get a deal with Sweden or Finland that we can dispose the waste in their deep burial tombs, in which case ok lets go, or we have to wait for thorium tech.
Doubt seawater uranium will ever be economical. Concentration is in the ppb
They ruin mountain tops and are used to shove globohomo down people's throats, as a cult bonding ritual. They're noxious for their societal impact alone. We (humans) are not going to leave a lump of coal on the face of the earth unburned that's a contant.
No, I really can't. In a world without subsidies you could more or less estimate it from the cost of a kWh from any given source but since everything is subsidized or taxes and regulated into oblivion you have to rely on calculations that may or may not take material production into account. Does the coke required to fire the concrete to make the windmill base count? How much does the base contribute to the overall energy input since it can technically be reused even if it usually isn't? What about the energy to the coking oven to make the coke. The energy to extract and refine the oil to make the diesel to power the digger to dig up the copper to make the wire for the electronics in the windmill generator. It's functionally impossible.
Cope, your government hates you, you are paying taxes to pedophiles that will kill you with mutagenic serums, we could've had almost-free energy 70 years ago.
can we use niggers in the coal energy factories?
and if managed properly, doesn't pollute the environment.
Bullshit. Even if you mine the coal without annihilating your land, purely with robots so miners don't get cancer, and somehow scrub every miligram of NOx, sulfur, tar, ash, radioactive contamination and particulates, CO2 is still a problem.
Rivers still flow underground in the seas
you mean like water-filled "tunnels" who have their spring underground and their "output" in some hole deep in the ocean?
or do they just dissipate somewhere before that?
Thorium is a meme. The answer is fast reactors + multi-recyling of Pu and minor actinides. You do that and whatever remains is (radiologically) safe within about 1000 years
yeah sure whatever zhang im sure the milennia of humiliation is over this time for real
I don't think either Seaborg or Copenhagen Atomics are doing thorium. As far as I know they're both doing uranium MSRs.
Which is funny, because once we can drill down to 800-1000 Celsius, we can comfortably and affordably gasify coal and create hydrogen, which could be used in most ways we use energy.
It's almost like the fight against fossils is not about the environment, but about something else...
tell me how for spain, rich in sun and wind, meaning not depending on other’s gas, coal or uranium, is a bad idea to have renewables. Globohomo bad is not an answer. I hate globohomo but this times you’re just being a fanatic retard.
how much more vulnerable renewable energy make us to a climate attack?
climate attack?
you mean, like the weather?
literally the entire point of the company and on the front page of their site
CO2 is still a problem
Look at this normie.
Here's a CO2 redpill for you, enjoy.
I dont remember asking for your retarded whatabout. Now off you to prepare a pyre to jump in. Chop chop.
didn't the EU literally cancel democracy and install Draghi in Italy?
They aren't because no matter how sunny it is most of the year, if we have a freak weather incident or god forbid a fucking volcano explodes half a world away and blankets the atmosphere in ash we are absolutely fucked if we rely on solar, and wind is even less reliable.
yea, attacks on the weather and atmosphere. They’re saying a cyberattack is ruled out, but what about an attack on the climate itself.
This cope image is so fucking old it says CO2 concentration is 400 ppm
It's 430 ppm today
Grow up and stop listening to bullshit
It's good to have renewables. It's just retarded to have 100% renwables and no backup
That's a great slogan but they're still building uranium reactors for the foreseeable future.
Don't worry. Your argument is just shit.
Put a windmill up your ass and maybe that way you get some electric signals going on in your brain for once.
1. It's expensive
2. It's unreliable
3. It's completely mismanaged - it should be an additional (heating/cooling, additional devices), while the base source is still fossil (factories, hospitals, big cities).
It's cheaper and better for us. We also have plentiful trade routes. If renewables in spain were the golden goose we wouldn't need to subsidize them and ban and choke their competition.
but about something else...
Rock oil is from rocks not from Dinosaurs....just one of pillars of evolution religion downed.
It is from rocks than it is...eternal...bam ecoreligion pillar is down
If it is ethernal than...it should not be so expensive....bam containment of humanity development religion is down.
i think we have like 5 nuclear centrals but for some reason they were all shut down yesterday
Solar I highly doubt ir because yesterday was very sunny everywhere in the peninsula. Also I know everyone has its own tale to sell but that was most probably someone hacking , or someone made a very poor decision and cascaded.
It's 430 ppm today
Grow up and stop listening to bullshit
Why you cannot die....just kill yourself
It's the exact opposite of this retard OP, solar produced way too much energy and desynchronized the grid due to lack of inertia
It's cheaper and better for us
got it
Geological storage is not that hard, look at the fossil reactors of Gabon. After hundreds of millions of years the sediments containing the nuclear waste only moved by a grand total of just a few centimetres. Now, I imagine that not every country will have a suitable place for their waste, but I imagine most would considering this natural example.
It's functionally impossible.
Do you really think it's that hard? I imagine that it's possible to at least get a rough idea, probably only a handful of factors explain most of the value and everything else can be considered like a second order term.
Whats my argument?
Government interference because if we have cheap energy we might have some extra money and actually want to change our situations. Tax it more and make people miserable
meant underwater, sorry. there's a whole thriving network of underwater rivers which carry sediment and thus nutrients for marine ecosystems.
They’re saying a cyberattack is ruled out, but what about an attack on the climate itself.
you mean, like a cloud?
You sound a bit cultish. I wish you luck and a swift recovery.
cloud, rain, change in air pressure, etc
the uk were speaking about blocking out the sun the other week. freaky coincidence.
Remember when Germany closed nuclear because its icky and had to use coal again?
Green is bullshit. Renewable energy initiates arent about renewable energy, but deindustrialising the west. Their opposition to nuclear further proves this.
That's just fucking stupid because yesterday wasn't even specially sunny like in summer.
It wasn't the weather, it wasn't the production, it was most likely a massive mismanagement by retards appointed by their friends to manage the electric grid and maybe a cyber attack happened on top of it, who knows.
Grow up and stop listening to bullshit
Maybe you should develop critical thinking skills.
If the human contribution of CO2 is almost non-existent, maybe it doesn't matter what we do in the context of this gas?
Secondly - CO2 is not pollution - it's plant food.
Thirdly - the biggest emmiter of CO2 are the oceans - when the planet's temperature goes down, CO2 condenses into them, and when the planet gets warmer - it evaporates into the atmosphere.
Now look at a globus and tell me what's bigger - all power plants in the world combined, or all 4 oceans?
The Carbon Dioxide psyop is so weak I can't believe I'm debating it on /pol.
Sopla un molinillo y te enchufas la energía en el culo.
i think that's not an attack, that's just a normal day
could a satellite do that ? like blocking the sunlight in strategic points of the peninsula provoking a collapse in the solar grid
Imagine if this mismanagement was done to a nuclear plant instead of a solar plant. It would be over today for shit pain instead of this thread being the most damage.
No, whats retarded is not using nuclear.
mismanagement
looks like it
Im waiting retard. Whats my argument?
make more renewable energy
sell it to REE
REE resells it to other places and countries and gets a profit
suddenly too many offer from wind and sun resources from Huelva/Sevilla, 60% over the range offer/demand
you can't storage it anywhere
whole system blows up and europe has to cut you out the grid, taking Portugal as colateral damage
Let's bring more renewables without giant batteries!
don’t care. these are badass and you must be white to work on them.
i think i heard of a plan once to put a satellite stationary at the lagrange point between the sun and earth, which had some type of mesh or something, to cool the earth down
there's apparently no high IQ engineers who could told you this exact thing would happen
There probably were at first but been sidelined since. The entire energy strategy is politically driven, logic and efficiency doesnt matter. This is willlful ignorance, not plain stupidity.
I can hear that you are choking already from that o2c reading that.
Killing yourself is a best option for you
Gigachad Llorente is with us, basado
Retard cant even understand my argument before he calls it bad. I deduced as much from the pseudo-redneck speech pattern. Guaranteed low IQ.
flying over the north sea is based. huge farms of them.
what's with these "green" parties and their obsession to end nuclear energy
Politicians usually study political science which means they are uneducated about anything other than the art of lying and cheating.
That somehow nuclear is way more dangerous because scawy radiation and le meltdown and Chernobyl has you by your faggot balls.
en.wikipedia.org
Have a link to the image because I'm not giving Anon Babble my email
I know you are desperate for attention but people have better things to do. How about you remove that memeflag, huh?
these are badass
So good that in 20 years they will generate enough energy to produce new one in place of those which will be dismantled...so economical
Our Ministry of Energy got rebranded as "Ministry of Ecological Transition and Demographic Challenge (Great Replacement)" btw
20 years
more like 20 months. you clearly haven’t researched this.
tax thing 1000000000000%
wow its not profitable, solar the future!
kys
Thats not my argument retard thats a given. Whats my actual argument?
Holy shit.
Yea i can see that in every nuclear meltdown since chernobyl. Shut the fuck up you danekike you are wasting my time. Go and build muclear plants all around you so that rasheed can poo in them and make nuclear matter more contaminated before it explodes in your face what do i care.
Isn't it? Greenfaggot still scared of the commie fuckup
This is turning Venezuela 2.0 as you wouldn't believe.
Thats my response to the danekike's dishonesty you pseudo-redneck. Whats my actual argument?
God I want everyone in this government hung from light poles
You are just another doomsayer about muh nuclear and greenigger. So I'm just going to ignore you from now on. Have fun retard
more like 20 months
Now show me % of sea based windmills to whole population of it based on the mainland...and tell me why this is not a scam
Go jump in a pyre cleetus rodrigez
Counterpoint: Venezuela at least isnt replacing its natives. I knew Spain had a massive feminist problem, but didnt know the great replacement was pushed that hard over there. Are normies fine with it? Or are they anxious but pretend everything is fine?
President Pedro Sánchez is reunited with spanish based Energy Companies CEOs
Kek, they are gonna be the scapegoats
can’t you just pour that electricity somewhere in the air or some shit
Normies here are the biggest NPCs in Europe. People should have burned this country 3-4 times for what this goverment is doing and they do nothing. Sheep country.
Kek, they are gonna be the scapegoats
You bet they will gib statement about opening their wallets to prevent further blackouts by widening reblebluables
they already tell that clouds are guilty
Same as anywhere else. People are getting tired but still too scared to call out how much money is spent on moors, spice, niggers and gypsies, and how they are all criminal scum either stealing directly or doing slave jobs and taking the money out of the country.
Every migrant NGO, lawyer, advocate and politician that pushed this shit deserves to hang
They are GREEDY to sell that surplus of electricity to France or elsewhere, they were just banking this weekend as being end of the month so they can get more money in their corrupt paychecks, the whore ruling REE gets 600,000€ per year
You can use it to fry cletus rodrigez. Guaranteed he is so fat it will be an infinite procedure.
I'm sad that the guy that threw a stick to Sanchez in Valencia didn't throw a brick or something that could actually kill him
you’re missing fukushima too, which is still pouring radioactive water into the pacific
Well it was a broom stick, was what he had on his hands at that moment. But Perro has a bulletproof briefcase, you can't brick that either.
As if cletus rodrigez is actually making an argument instead of being dishonest.
The chinks spill more radioactive and toxic waste every day than Fukushima ever has.
I'm gonna be so happy the day someone brains him.
I don't care when it happens, but I just know someone will kill the motherfucker sooner or later and people will pretend to care for a couple days and move on.
predicted literal whatabout before it happened
Cletus pls
I still think the Bongs have you beat at the pozz game. But yeah, NPCs are something else: I work with some German engineers semi-frequently. They think no ethnic German kids isnt an issue because immigrants will work hard and pay their pensions. These arent blue haired 'lesbian' college girls, but steak eating hetero 50-60 yo men in suits that have wives and go fishing.
immigrants will work hard and pay their pensions
Is this the biggest boomer lie? immigrants as nigger moors and spics only do low tier jobs, bringing nothing to the pension bank, and in exchange, the state ends paying them benefits because muh little niggers. God I hate boomers.
50-60 yo men in suits that have wives and go fishing.
So basicly fagots breed in "love revolution" time by other faggots and whores
Those are the last remnants of the boomer mindset. 60 y/o right now is the cutoff and the ones a few years younger are the intergenerational remnants.
They still don't care they leave a shit hole behind them. I hope their sons and grandsons leave them to be cared by their beloved browns in a shitty care facility
They still don't care they leave a shit hole behind them
Said cletus rodrigez right after he whatabouts fokushima. Even boomer shitskin agenda is more caring than you.
The funniest thing is when you speak to one of these slave labour niggers and he's proud of being a fucking slave.
Motherfucker I know bragged about working on construction with fake ID for a third the wage and just said "you guys a lazy for not working that" mind you at that time this retard lived with 10 other dudes that shared the same ID to work in sardines can apartment.
The dudes that employ them need to be punished