Nazism as failed ideology

the cope is that people are choosing to be unequal, but also they're being driven to choose that because of socioeconomic factors

Germans simply wanted to kick out the Jews, who had launched perversion into society. Lots of gay clubs, freak artists, predatory banking practices, lying media. Same thing Jews have done in the United States and across Western Europe. How does anyone not know this? Its the same story over and over. Jews have been forcibly removed from over 100 nations across history

Copy/pasting some "AI" take on National Socialism?

They weren't stupid. They knew if they kicked out the Jews, they would just infect someone else, coming back to destroy them. The only final solution to the jewish problem was destroying them for good. They also wanted to largely destroy the Slavs in order to populate Eastern Europe with Germanics.

Fundamental denial of human equality

Absolute nonsense. Given that all your other points derive from this fallacy, I don't need to address each one individually. It is self evident that humans are not born equal.

Anon Babbletards deny this though and think that the Nazis were pan-European bbc loving 2010s internet wignats and not pan-German expansionists.

Anon Babbletards are fucking stupid and this being the last bastion of internet free speech is the only reason I put up with this shit

most points you make are valid if your values are individualist. What if your value is the collective good instead of the individual good though? The individual interests are almost always at odds in some way with the collective interests. If you say the collective you care about is your ethnic group which a rationally defendable group-distinction a lot what Nazism did makes more sense.
What you see if you read people of the time, the average German didn't see individualism as a high value, it was seen as decadent and unseemly. They cared deeply about order and "national freedom" (self-determination, national renewal, strength) instead and weren't at all averse to violence as a completely valid means to an end. And they cared about honor but cared even more about restoring national honor.
They had a collectivist mindset.

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What if your value is the collective good instead of the individual good though?

He got Germany destroyed
Them being world-ruling Ubermensch was more important than them being happy and healthy, otherwise he would've stopped before Poland
Not saying that's right or wrong

The Germans were right

His plans to destroy Eastern Europe in the name of lebensraum had literally nothing to do with Jews.

He's a Anon Babbletard, he doesn't believe lebensraum was a real thing. He believes in a wholesome fanfiction revisionist version of Nazism.

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Thoughts?

Wall of liberal post-war justification for facilitating the enslavement of the planet for monied interests and handing over half the planet to barbarians who were objectively worse than the Nazis. Particularly

It rejects rational inquiry and evidence-based thinking in favor of mythological narratives about race and nation. This rejection of truth as an objective standard undermines the foundations of ethical reasoning.

We as a civilization are rejecting biological reality for arguments of justice which is actually civilizational suicide. You can treat Nazi Germany as the historical whipping post it is but it won’t change the bitter truth that they were right about how the world would end if they lost the war. You’re just living in the ruins.

Them being world-ruling Ubermensch

When you spout this nonsense it is heavily implied you think it is wrong.

true, the war was pointless and completely contra-productive. But what actually happened was that, like you said, the plan was to have a German colonial project in the East, similar to the Russian expansion eastwards a few centuries earlier and nobody expected that the British would actually declare war over such a colonial adventure, when they ruled 1/4 of the landmass of earth at that point.

The colonial plans in Eastern Europe were needlessly cruel and unnecessary.
But: They make sense in the context of "normalized" world-wide colonialism and expansionist war, only post-war were they singled out as completely unique or extraordinary, like the European wars of the 50 years before didn't happen, to make a list a European states that marched into another between 1900 and 1939 would take a bit of time.

When you spout this nonsense it is heavily implied you think it is wrong.

I want white people to be world-ruling ubermensch, but the point is that it isn't collective wellbeing that is being pursued but collective greatness and godhood, even if millions of your own have to suffer and die to achieve it

But: They make sense in the context of "normalized" world-wide colonialism and expansionist war, only post-war were they singled out as completely unique or extraordinary,

same with uniquely demonizing the American South because of slavery

I want white people to be world-ruling ubermensch

That isn’t my point. To think the Nazis were hellbent on global domination is part of a post-war propaganda scheme to demonize an actual revolt against the system. Adding “not saying” as some kind of qualifier does not get rid of the implied argument. Take a look at post war history and honestly tell anyone really believes in the arguments of morality.

The holocaust never happened. In reality there was mass starvation caused by Germany being bombed to pieces.

You're a retard.

There are hundreds of thousands of holocaust "survivors". They obviously did not try very hard to carry out this final solution.

Mostly typhus/some starvation from logistics breakdown. Best I can do for you is 200K.

Read some actual Hitler speeches web.archive.org/web/20050220091002/http://www.hitler.org/
Nazism is very ethical IMO

Fundamental denial of human equality

Your faith in equality is actually the really unnatural thing. Came about in the enlightenment barely 200 years ago. For the rest of human history people knew that there were fundamental measurable differences between peoples

core ethical principle that all humans possess inherent dignity and worth

Another infantile liberal theory. It's a core ethical principle of your worldview, not mine. Why would I adhere to your ethics?

It establishes artificial hierarchies that classify certain groups as superior and others as subhuman

Hierarchies plainly exist in nature as well as society. There is a reason rabbits are food for foxes but that rabbits are prey to thousands of other animals below them. In society, there is a reason that students obey a teacher. There's a hierarchy of skill there. There's a reason Jim might be stronger than Joe, Jim probably works his muscles. If you're talking about class, which is certainly a social construct - National Socialism advocated for class cooperation as a way to break down barriers instead of antagonizing the poor vs the rich which is a superficial and poor distinction anyway.

Genocidal foundation

Never had genocide as part of its policy

The Holocaust

Never happened

Totalitarian suppression

The more you read about National Socialist society the more you discover this is as good as Disney propaganda. The public freely mocked the Nazi leaders and had a wicked sense of humor toward the war.

Nazism eliminates individual autonomy, freedom of conscience, and political self-determination.

Meaningless buzzwords

It demands absolute allegiance to the state and its leadership, negating human agency

It doesn't demand allegiance to the state, that is where Nazism and Fascism differ. National Socialism says to be loyal to your people and that the state must serve the people.
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Which plan was that? Are you referring to OST, the (((plan))) that was "found" by a jew 30 years after the war? Tell us how he was going to exterminate everyone without blonde hair and blue eyes next

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Intellectual bankruptcy

You just haven't sought them out. Some of the greatest philosophers of their time were Nazis or existed under Nazi rule. Heidegger is a central figure to some leftist theories and he was a Nazi. Carl Schmitt was on their payroll and he wrote some of the best treatise on government you can read. Aside from political philosophy, German cinema was peak and is still revered to this day. Artists didn't have to make gay sculptures and impressionist garbage to get a job. This is simply an ignorant claim and speaks nothing of their scientific achievements as well.

Muh einstein

Oh yea a normie mathematician who voluntarily left Germany and went on to create the most destructive weapon ever devised on behalf of the benevolent U.S Government. woooo

>It rejects rational inquiry and evidence-based thinking in favor of mythological narratives about race and nation. This rejection of truth as an objective standard undermines the foundations of ethical reasoning.

Wrong again. You probably say IQ is flawed because its racist and blacks are actually hyper intelligent. Most of Nazi science has only been 'debunked' insofar as its been called 'problematic'. National Socialism points to natural, self evident truths that you can literally witness with your own eyes. An incredibly small sect of the Nazi apparatus had a passing interest in the occult. There were plenty of cookers on all sides in the 40s. The Canadian PM (aside from being a Hitler fan) thought he could speak to his dead mother and used this advice to make policy and nobody batted an eye.

Nazism actively promotes dehumanization and encourages brutality toward designated "others."

Wrong.

This intentional erosion of empathy and compassion contradicts basic moral intuitions present across diverse ethical frameworks.

Ah I see we're still basing this critique on why liberalism is such a good ideology. Liberals were the first ones to be measuring skull shapes and shit.

Excellently put.

Its insane the nazi revisionism that people have swallowes up in the last decade out of pure anti establishment contrarian bias. The nazis were the bad guys, they instigated and initiated all the military conflicts they were a part of. They were the bad guys, they murdered millions in deliberatelty designed murder camps. And for the cherry on top, it sucks living under a fascist government. It sucks having gestapo thrash you around and always being spied on.

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Its insane the nazi revisionism that people have swallowes up in the last decade out of pure anti establishment contrarian bias.

Truth fears no investigation.

The nazis were the bad guys, they instigated and initiated all the military conflicts they were a part of.

"Bad" is purely subjective, they are only seen as "bad" because they lost. Yes, Germany invaded Poland (along with the USSR), but it was Britain and France that made it into a World War.

They were the bad guys, they murdered millions in deliberatelty designed murder camps.

There you go with the "bad" angle. There is no proof of murder camps. Imagine an event so factual, so irrefutable, so self evident, that laws are made to criminalise denial of its existence.

And for the cherry on top, it sucks living under a fascist government.

Germany was the richest country in the world per capita in 1939.

It sucks having gestapo thrash you around and always being spied on.

Only enemies of the state had reason to fear the Gestapo. The same thing applies in all the so called liberal countries, yours included.