What explains this?

what explains this?

east germans witness the shittification of germany and dont want to be part of it

they vote against it

meanwhile west cucks love niggers and shitskins

Somehow the west at the end did better reeducation
Rebellous spirit of easterners, especially saxos were knows even before ww2
Christianity is extremely weak in the east (imho this leads to MORE rightwing)
Economic reasons
Strong right wing gangs existed all over the east in the 90s, these guys are not leftists now and they educated their children also rightwing

44 years of communism

countries under Soviet rule are more ressistant to propaganda, since its past generations had experienced the ideological assault and know that goverment and media lies.

Opposed to that, western countries are the most brainwashed countries in the world, since didnt experience propaganda shock and eat the shit fed to them with wide mouth.

tsmt
On top of that, they have the largest producers of propaganda and PSYOPS in the world.

The line between 2 largest white Y DNA haplogroups, R1a and R1b, goes north to south across Germany around Berlin.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

Your media must do a good job of snuffing out nigger news. At least metz didn't get in which would have you diving head first to your frsthe in Ukraine.

Propaganda is easy when it's true and your government is actively ruining itself

20K YEARS of 2 different haplogroups and 2 different historically divided groups

in R1a and R1b

Noooooooooooooo it the invented in London by Karl marx utopia, cooooooooooooooommmmunism

I swear poles are dumber than rocks sometimes.

how come saxony's called saxony while actual saxons lived in niedersachen?

closed societies tend to be against foreigners.. imagine my shock.

Russian rapebabies

The east had no "free elections" till 1991. After that every single party promised them heaven and send them to hell. No other place got that hard fucked over by democracy then east germany.
First they voted SPD and they just destroyed their economy for good and sent kurds and the first niggers to the larger cities, so they said well let's give the CDU a try and got a even harder beating including the first large scale refugee camps in the countryside. Then they went for Die Linke that promised them going back to GDR kind of way of life just with freedom of travel just to sell out even harder and flooded the smaller cities with niggers and arabs, oh well that didn't work we might try the greens that say they will fix it as a reward they got 5x higher energy prices, the last bit of functional infrastructure got destroyed and even small town with 300 inhabitants get flooded by 2000 Niggers and we call that diversity ...

They tired every single party and the only party that didn't fuck them over till now is the AfD.

Eastern Germans are Russian rape babies. Without soviet donations country would be Moldova-tier if it wasn't donated by Western Germany.

why is it then that all of Poland is cucks?

unironically part of the reason are christcucks. i was born in south west germany and had a large extended family there, all religious and all the stereotypes of christcucks apply here

kek

the black on the left are those who already killed themselves
the blue on the right are those who see the corpse and don't want the same happening to them

Because of a saxon ruler in the HRE. Most saxons in Saxony are actually thuringians (another germanic tribe).
This map isn't entirely correct. Frisians are a different tribe from Saxons and their language is more different than German or Dutch is.

what explains this?

Dr Ewen Cameron

who?

Dr Ewen Cameron.
Scottish born psychologist, emigrated to Canada, became head of their Psych Association, then emigrated to the US and became head of their Psych Assoc. Wrote a paper saying the German was warlike and must be neutered.
At the end of WW2 the CIA went to him and said "what can we do to stop the Germans doing this again?" to which he replied "give me full control of their media and academia and I can make them believe whatever you want"

And thus MKUltra was born, of which Cameron was the head of the five senior doctors involved. So what you're seeing is the result of 80 years of Cameron's policies enacted upon West Germany. East Germany was free of them.
Other western governments noted how effective this was and since then they've all tried to Ewen Cameron their own populace too. USA was late to the party, Obama had to rescind the home propaganda act so they could really get to work, but to be fair half the job had been done for them by commies capturing the education system.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron

The East are free-riding the West since the 90s. On top of that, the political party that is addressing the legitimate concerns of both East and West has an ulterior agenda that's mean to keep Germany unarmed. All the CDU/CSU need to do is kick out all asylum seekers, revoke the green agenda and carbon tax bullshit and Germany will be back on track.

Jewish capitalism is better at brainwashing than jewish communism ever was. Westerners love niggers and jews.

All the CDU/CSU need to do

the most treasonous party in Germany doing anything good

Opinions on German politics from Eastern Europeans seem to be absolute worthless.

Dang I didn’t realize they were welcoming migrants with free money while only sending Ukraine helmets during the initial invasion. Those polaks sure sound like a weak willed people;obsessed with the status quo at the expense of their own people.

Raping soviet hordes

tf

tp

supporting oinkraine is strong

Niedersachsen just means lower saxony
But yes technically they and sachsen anhalt and more saxons

I don’t really care about European defense, all I want is my free gibs built on demographic replacement with foreigners.

Not surprised, this is why the USA is telling you the free gibs ride is over.

Communism is ultimately less spiritually destructive than liberalism.

Yt trash explains this.

In ex DDR is easy for Russian propagandists to infiltrate

Communism is ultimately less spiritually destructive than liberalism.

Impressive. Most retarded take I've read on Anon Babble today.

to me it seems like negrofied places (except Berlin because shitskins already rule there) voted against shitskins while places where negros don't yet reside stayed ignorant.

The East is less negrofied.

What did he get wrong?

By saying the CDU, the party who opened the flood gates in 2015 could fix anything.

the most relevant response
western cable news boomers will always vote what they are told to vote by the mainstream news

I'm not Eastern European and I've paid more taxes into the German federal budget than most Germans have. DACH has enabled me to move on to better, but what I said is absolutely correct.
CDU is the one that did it and they should be the ones to correct it. Don't forget that it was an Eastern German that did it and a woman too. The Eastern Germans are basically fake CSU larpers. The fact that Merkel allowed it to happen comes directly from her DDR programming.

CDU is the one that did it and they should be the ones to correct it.

But they refuse to, so thinking this is going to happen is simply moronic.

It's highly possible simply because Merz is super zogged out and asylum seekers are anti zog at their heart as they're uncontrollable and don't give value. I guarantee you that without migrant labor Germany would crumble, but it's the asylum seekers that are a problem. Germany had foreign labor for decades. The problems started with asylum seekers and, admittedly, originally unassimilated Turks and Kurds. Visa restrict these two and kick out asylum seekers and migration will stop being a problem with one mandate.

The kicking out of the asylum seekers will start country by country, first with Syria. To get that moving though Germany needs to militarize properly to deal with possible fallouts as there's unironically that many of them that if you did it to all at once there would be too much unreset, not to mention the dumb anarchistic quasi leftists who'd support them.

Exactly. West and East Germany are biologically different. It's not "culture" and "socioeconomic factors". R1b people are cucks and nigger lovers. R1a are based.

I'm not Eastern European

I consider all slav lands to be Eastern Europe including Bulgaria.

and I've paid more taxes into the German federal budget than most Germans have. DACH has enabled me to move on to better

Are you one of these boomers who settle in cheaper countries or one of these digital nomads. I doubt that there are many good job opportunities in Bosnia even for a skilled german worker.

without migrant labor Germany would crumble

Mask slip

unassimilated Turks and Kurds

civnat

supporting migrant labor

No wonder you support the CDU.

Nah, not a boomer, but I'm familiar with those going there during the Yugo era.
It is unironically true. German women are impossible to work with. German men are either hard working proud dudes or completely demoralized, while migrants that obtain citizenship end up being hell to work with as they learn to game every corner.

Are you a bosnian who went to Germany for money? Now your replies make sense.
What is your religion?

Schwarz ist altes europäisches Kapital, bessere löhne, bessere infrastruktur. Dort sind weniger direkt von der Migration und kostensteigerungen betroffen als in den ärmeren regionen die in den blauen regionen liegen. Die schwarzen sehen auf blau herab, schon lange vor der AfD. Blau hat minderwertigkeitskomplex durch den kulturunterschied den jahrzente UDSSR gebracht haben.

Tatsächlich ist das ein folge der teilung.

In Gesamtstimmen haben in den schwarzen gebieten viel mehr für afd gewählt als im osten. Der osten ist sehr spärlich bevölkert und im Schnitt viel ärmer.

Ach fick legalisierung lol

There's simply areas Germans won't work in. Construction and healthcare are two critical domains. Unless you land a comfy place in Bayern or BW, domestic labor goes to Switzerland, Norway or until recently the US.

An example of why people vote AfD:
The Syrian Abdulhadi B. is a self-confessed IS terrorist living in Germany. He is considered to be unreasonable, constantly violates residency requirements and the authorities admit that the danger of an attack is real at any time. He is not in prison and cannot be deported to Syria because he is in danger there.
In return, we take German IS supporters with a migrant background out of camps in Syria because they are our citizens and we must not burden the Syrian population with the danger.
This is such a moral circus of thought that you wonder what your elites want from you.
Nobody has anything against the nice foreigner next door.

russian touch of midas

Incidentally, he would go back voluntarily - he has offered to do so and that is not a legal problem. But he wants a farewell bonus of €144,000. It doesn't seem that dangerous in Syria.

Which I could even accept if this terroist leaves germany, but our bureaucracy prevents that.
Rule is rule.
Lol
Failed state

People here vote with their pockets. PO (Tusk party) was ousted in 2015 due to bad economy
Then PiS was reelected due to good economy but after covid and ukraine invasion (into Poland) they were ousted again due to bad economy.

If current party doesn't fuck up they will be reelected too.

How great is German hatred in poland really? It's strange to see PIS people burning European flags and portraying Germans as a bigger threat than Russia.

the poors are more easily psyoped about Auslanders than about Kapital

Nobody thinks of Germany over here. I used to live in big city right next to the border with Germany, and there is virtually no trace that is right next to Germany and no one can speak german, it's like you guys do not exist.

But there's a certain stereotype about Germans that is hard to go away especially among older generation from eastern parts but also from very western parts that Germans cheat/scam and they are not to be trusted and they bring their trash there etc. their firms not pay taxes here, which was exploited by PiS who's electorate was older and from smaller towns and they've never been to Germany in their life and have image of Germans that's outdated and hurtful and unjust towards modern Germans.

But again it wasn't the reason PiS won. The reason was that Tusk was bought by Brussels and abandoned Poland showing that PO are bunch of corrupt sellouts willing to sell the country and he placed incompetent women PM with 0 charisma.

Then PiS was reelected due to very good economic performance 2019 was probably peak Poland, again nothing to do with Germany

Nobody has anything against the nice foreigner next door.

I know you don't, which is why I want Germany to get out of this mess. I think Germany was the best in the 2000s, but I'm honestly judging this on parameters I didn't live through, but have observed, so you'd know better.

Okay Poohammed. You absolute fucking retard. Do Germany a favour though and leave.
OMG look at what lying Igor the propaganda loving shill says. You are WORSE than blue hairs, far-far worse than trannies. You fucking compulsive lying Idiot propaganda shit bag machine.
And the reason is that they’ve lived under lying Igors influence and are disgusted by it and don’t want to do similar again. Because they hate the cunt. Rightly so.

I offered you insight you retarded glowie

European defense should be AGAINST the usa not with you. We should ally with russia asap.

communism did that to them, they turned into atheist death cult worshipers, thats why they vote for le epic nazis

the black guys lied about immigration like merkel did in 2013 otherwise there would have been much more azure. and it will be.

utter bullshit

east germans lived under soviet influence and rule (DDR) for 40 years. they learned a thing or two about communism, fascism, capitalism (or lack thereof), heavy parallels to dictatorship (staying S C E P T I K A L true to the eastern spirit, question things, think for their own). they literally lived it and had firsthand physical experience

also the nationalsocialists that were left over, were way harder prosecuted in the east, than in the west.
in the west they were repurposed (nasa, nato un, ect ect), re educated.
in the east they oftenly just faced a wall and ate bullets.

and now they see these same, identical, parallels in todays modern day germany. so ofc they apply their scepticism to everything they hear and see in their media apparatus

the cia used to add estrogen to west german water supply to make german boys into femboys so they dont start the fourth reich the effect of estrogenated water supply hasnt affected the east yet, dont drink water guys

And what exactly conclusions do you take out of this picture?

Wessies are self rigteous, brain washed cuck faggots. Next question.

read the inscription

dont drink water guys

Flag checks out.

bought by brussels

Well, they can expect something with the 600 billion in structural aid paid by the EU (Germany) since you joined the EU.
Why do those who get the most up their asses think they are being ripped off the most?
I even see poles posting maps of ‘greater poland’ which include kaliningrad, parts of lithuania, ukraine, germany, czech republic etc.
I think it's a chronic inferiority complex because poland considers itself an equal nation, but has done very little (not none) worth mentioning in European history and culture. Hence this exaggerated nationalism and self-overestimation.
In addition, 30% of Germans would like to have their cars, car parts or bicycles back. Kek

I did. I want to know what do YOU think it means.

lying pollack
PIS literally runs on 24/7 antigerman propganda
including reparations
and obsession with Nordstream

PIS literally runs on 24/7 antigerman propganda

This guy had not one but TWO operational pseudonyms in STASI. He was prime minister appointed by PiS. So again, what antigerman propaganda are we talking about here?

what retarded horseshit
are you on drugs, pollack?

nah bro that would be the porkies after we started stopping the river flows

East feels cheated out of what they think is their rightful prosperity. They blame the westerns for being poor. Commie mentality basically.

Google it, faggot. It was found in german declassified archieves. He was publicly accused of it - and he pretended he didn't hear it, lol. This whole "antigerman" propaganda you are talking about was limited to reparations for internal use to dupe dumb Polacks there's gonna be golden rain one day, so better vote on PiS - but that's it.

lying polish nigger on drugs

Yeah, because you know better what is going on in MY country, nigger. if I didn't see the flag, I'd think I 'm dealing with American here.

Kek but beeing downstream of india is punishment enough dont you think?
And the pakis at least get a somewhat clean stream, imagine the bengalis they get the dirt water from the mega cities. If they were not jeets themselves they would not survife

Ussr being too kind and not going west

eastern germans like me just dont stop getting fucked. my grandparents came from now polish territory. so all generational wealth is gone.
then ddr fucks you with socialism. and now this government fucks you with minimum wage job sector and high energy and food prices and massive inflation.
sometimes i wonder why me and family hasn't suicided yet.
actually a lot of my family already died from self-destructive behavior (alcoholism, smoking)
i'm probably the first in my family to not drink and smoke. yet i'm still fucked because i have nobody to support me financially or emotionally.
if i'd have kids they wouldn't grow up with their grandparents.

correct
I know youre a country of jews, liars and gypsys
give us the source for Stasi claim or be forever branded as a lying pollack

looks like the wall needs to be rebuilt to me

Uhh bro, that was below the belt, putting us on the same level as the USA would be worth another blitzkrieg to me.
There are things we don't do ...

How to say you know nothing without actually saying it, lol.

sejm.gov.pl/sejm9.nsf/wypowiedz.xsp?id=034&data=13-06-2023&nr=2340&posiedzenie=77&symbol=OSWIADCZENIE

There. Polish parliament official site. Use google translator.

The GDR was a Russian puppet. So the ‘German spy’ is invalid here. With the apparatus that existed, I'm not surprised if Germans were in Polish service and all on the instructions of the KGB.

But since I'm also super interested, thanks for the link, nice to know.

nice "source"

the whole thing is obvious bullshit

When Anshluss of GDR occured, BND aquired all STASI assets, along with its agents most likely. We don't know if it didn't have some kind of continuation, since BDN didn't share any information.

The worst way you get fucked now is the emigration of young women because of propaganda.
But economically i guess you have it better then the eastern neighbors at least opportunity wise. The move really seems to be to move to bavaria for you at least in your 20s maybe. Move to some small city with decent rent, there are lots of jobs open and the people are at least somewhat right wing.

Nobody thinks of Germany over here.

Well I don't want to disagree, I just want to say that I followed a bit how PiS canpaigned in Poland and they 24/7 seethed at Germany, Kazinsky wrotes essays how Germans are le bad and he even made videos how he had a fictional telephone call with Scholz and told him to fuck off. In my experience PiS is OBSESSED with Germany.
But the rest of the parties doesn't seem to care and since they are the majority I believe you.

I am also annoyed by this PIS ranting. But that's not why I'm going full retard.

simple, is about post WW2 occupation and the people who hated the occupier's vs people who weren't treated that bad. Being Treated like shit by soviets made Eastern Germans long for Nazis so they are not afraid of "Nazi" political parties. While wester Germans were treated well enough that anti-Nazi propaganda was able to take hold.

That's why all the Stasi records are open, just like your guy was found in the same open archives.
I thought you'd bring up the study and say people are just stupid, but understandable. Too bad, points deducted.

pollack obsessed with germans claims his country is not obsessed with german

there was nothing found, the whole thing is absurd on its face

I remember the day when half the Polish government crashed in an airplane because his brother flew the plane himself as prime minister or whatever the office is called in Poland. He even blamed us Germans for it. He really hates us.

BND aquired all STASI assets, along with its agents most likely

Maybe some but were they not all made public? That would be bad to have them as agents then

PiS is using reparation argument usually just before elections - not general anti-german sentiment (that's present in Poland, not gonna lie about it, especially in older generations, altough those people are now very old and barely know what's going on around them), so voters think one day they gonna get all this german gold for themselves, I shit you not, lol. They really believe it, but again - those people are very old and very, very naive. This narrative is only technical tho'. It's nothing personal, kid. PiS knows very well there will be no repatations from Germany. Where TRUE Kaczyński's hatred lies - it's Russia, because he believes Putin killed his TWIN brother, Lech. He is russophobe, not germanophobe.

In DDR, we couldn't travel abroad because we weren't allowed to, today we can't travel abroad because we can't afford it

Common phrase among Ostalgie Kraut Boomers, so I've heard

poland is a shithole full of gypsies obsesed with Germany

Is that the Palatinate region, the only place in western Germany where the AfD won. Are they based?

That's why all the Stasi records are open, just like your guy was found in the same open archives.

I thought you'd bring up the study and say people are just stupid, but understandable. Too bad, points deducted.

Things that are open - are open. Things that aren't - aren't. We know only what they allowed us to know. It's secret services we are talking about here for crying out loud.

voting for the party instead of the candidate

This system makes no sense

Never ever heard anyone who accused Germany for shooting down airplane in 2010.
1. Tusk government (because it was Tusk that was ruling back then) the second he heard about the crash, immediately said it was pilot's fault. Without any investigations, they just knew instantly that fact.
2. Kaczyński and PiS immediately knew it was RUSSIAN attack.

Seriously, NOBODY blamed Germans.

Ok, you're right. There is no evidence, only accusations because the guy lived in the GDR for a long time and opened a company there. The accusations say that he couldn't have made this career leap without state help and that only the Stasi would have been involved. Nobody knows where the nicknames come from, but there are secret documents in the BND that nobody is allowed to access and it's in there.
There is nothing else apart from living in the GDR and a career in business. That's very shallow.
I checked a few Polish sites.
Well, the story is garbage when heard like that and fits in with the German hatred, just used here politically by the other side.

Experience with leftism plus a few decades less globohomo propaganda

I know beforehand
I know what niggers pollacks are

what explains this?

Germans were happier under the USSR
Despite 35 years of Westernisation, or because of 36 years of Westernisation, depending how you perceive Westernisation, they want to return to the USSR.
Suck it up.

What other side? The other side is pro-german Tusk party. They never ever touched the subject. It was Konfederacja that kept talking about that. While it's true we don't know why STASI gave him his two operational pseudonyms (but it is a proven fact he had them) - the question is, why didn't he sue the guy who publicly accused him of that? He was accused not only publicly in media - but also by poseł Braun in parliament. Yet he didn't respond in any way - and supposed opposition in form of Tusk's party didn't either. And surely it wasn't out of good heart, because those people are using against each other any shit they can find, even the most absurd or unproven (for example: PiS found out Tusk's grandpa was in Wehrmacht and based whole election campaign in 2005 upon that fact). This sole fact is suspicious AS FUCK.

What is now east Germany was entirely Slavic for 600 years straight after the migration period. They were all converted to the german language less than 800 years ago and never lost their Slavic genetics. It was actually Slavs raping other Slavs in that region in ww2. Likewise all r1b in germany, which is half of all germans, comes from La tene, Hallstatt, yamnaya, and other Celtic cultures that predated the Germanics and Slavs by more than several thousand years in central Europe. The r1bs are cucks that lost their language and heritage in roman times. And the continental La tene Celts used to be the most advanced Celts in all of history before they lost to Rome and Scandinavians on two fronts.

Germany is an irrelevant shithole with bad rep, nobody is obsessed with Germany, it's just a punching bag that its normalized socially to be racist towards, push racist jokes and no one bats an eye even intellectuals, only some germanophiles are getting offended

I want Germany to finally fuck off from EU so they don't pay structural funds and see how well this country will fare (hint it would be 100x worse than Brexit)

Never should've been unified.
West Germany, East Germany and Bavaria should be 3 states within the EU. Ridiculous rewarding their utter retardation in the 20th century.

isn't east germany 90% russian rape babies

it was done under certain conditions that foced germany to do other things that were more favorable towards Eastern Europeans (including us)

I swear poles are dumber than rocks sometimes.

They think they won WW2

within the EU

This is where i disagree but the rest may actually be the best

east gets afd government

west get totally drawn in 3rd worlders

conservative bavarians see this and get close to east

german refugees from the weest to the east while leftists all leave the afd rule

This could lead to the eastern half of Germany be saved

Eastcucks are still buckbroken by communism to such an extent they want back to their commie shithole where you have to wait in line for 20 years to buy a car made out of toilet paper

Nobody sane in Poland thinks Poland won that war.

their utter retardation in the 20th century

Rich coming from a pole btw

what a terrible fucking post
the west stole over 75% of the east's wealth and continues mining them out to this fucking day.
Imagine you woke up one day and were FORCED against your will to exchange all of your money for 1/4th as much money with a different color on it. That literally happened to every single east German.
Your house? Now worth 1/4th as much.
Investments? Yep, 75% GONE
Your INCOME? That's gone you're fired LMAO but it would have been only 25% of what it used to be

Only USSR and USA were winners of the WW2

the rest were trapped in status quo, but from Polish perspective back then it was a win.

they want back to their commie shithole

they vote AfD because they don't, literally how retarded do you have to be to believe anything different

so who did?

what was the influence of Jews on foreign policy in Poland before WW2?

Mate, with all due respect you're nothing but a poor imitation of a German. The only reason you have an industry is due to Germany.

not much Jews weren't very influential in Poland and they didn't amount to anything significant here and many couln't even speak Polish, they spoke Yiddish.

They weren't the upper class like in Germany.

The only reason you have an industry is due to Germany.

Delusional

QRD on the pink party in Berlin?

USA and Soviet Union. UK to the lesser extent, altough UK losttheir empire because of that war (with help of USA, lol), so their victory was more than pyrric.

Poland even signed a pact with germany in 1934

which germany broke, leading to WW2

East Germany has higher R1a then West Germany.

Hitler said the anglo polish alliance was not compatible with the pact and withdraw from it months before the war
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_alliance

You broke it by chimping out on the border.

Please. This dude doesn't understand what he's posting. He thinks that he debunks theory that 1/3 of Germans have slavic roots, but he's just retarded.

what explains this?

narcissism, mass narcissism

Hitler would invade anyways, Poland acted smart and with it's own interest allying with Anglos and French, given it's location none of the option for Poland were good. And since we've trapped Germany and Germany triggered the trap it was a beginning of a fall of the country.

delusions

It's delusional, because he forgot to mention literacy, road systems, christianity, civilisation among other things.

moving goalposts while ignoring reality

Why are poles like this? That's very jewish behavior.

ashkenazi admixture

Poland acted smart

Not at all
It acted retarded thinking an alliance with anglos is good while having border conflict with all neighbors. Poland NEEDED eighter to ally with Germany or with the soviet union.

Hitler would invade anyway

Idk if his demand of a corridor and the city of Danzig were met and Poland would join the Anti Communist Pact i doubt it.

40% of the population in Warsaw pre-war, Netflix even made a movie about Jewish mafia in Warsaw

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Warsaw

continue keeping your head in your ass

Poles should thank us for ridding their nation of Jewry

Jews already had a bigger goal in mind back then, you effectively helped them. Do not pat yourself on the back so hard, Kraut.

So would you want to become a separate country if you had the right to choose?

you effectively helped them.

"Effectively" is just a code word for "not actually"

not netflix but canal+ and it's just another slop. Warsaw was very jewish at that time but they weren't significant to the politics and social life despite being humongous minority, which is weird to be honest, that's because Jewish societies were a parallel societies and they tended to ghettoize.

Poland NEEDED eighter to ally with Germany or with the soviet union.

Nah, none of their option were good it would mean selling out the county and what it stands for

Poland wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for its staunchly independentist approach

Kek.
Poland was christianised by Czechs, because Mieszko I REFUSED to being baptised by Germans. Latin civilisation ISN'T german invention. Literacy came with the church, not Germans. Only the road system is partially true, due to Poland aquiring parts of III Reich that had better roads.

Germans had nothing to do with industrialisation of Poland. The opposite, Germans used Central Industrial Region built in 1936–1939 by Polish government during war to support their war effort.
After that, the industrialisation of Poland was continued by commies.

"Kek."

[list of cope]

Come on, not all of us get our history from wikipedia

It's pretty embarrassing. Germans were the forefont of uncivilized in Europe and were despised by the more civized neighbors for centuries. What you write were inventions of the mediterranean culture and heritage of Roman Empire that spread to Pagan Europe through christianization. The same way Lithuanians who were very savage at the time were baptized by the Poles.

But Poles weren't even baptized by the Germans, but by Czechs.

well the water does go to treatment plants and then into homes in bengal but yea river pollution is a real problem tho idk man i live on the himalayas drink straight from the glacier kek

read the graph
the difference is minimal

braindead nigger post of the day award goes to you

Germans had nothing to do with industrialisation of Poland. The opposite, Germans used Central Industrial Region built in 1936–1939 by Polish government during war to support their war effort.

youre really drugged out of your mind

Learn about your own Mittel Europa plan. According to that plan, Poland was supposed to be a farmland without any industry that could compete with german industry. And first thing Hitler did during WW2 was to bomb polish cities. And during occupation Germans were busy dismantling of Polish plants and their removal to Germany.

In Middle Ages Germany wasn't busy helping Poland - it was busy fighting with Poland. And losing, btw. Battle of Hundsfeld, Tannenberg etc.

Truly - you didn't learn history from wikipedia. You weren't learning history AT ALL.

You are a retard. Don't write to me ever again.

And during occupation Germans were busy dismantling of Polish plants and their removal to Germany.

youre hallucinating while on drugs, you stupid polish nigger
there is no other explanation for the horseshit you post

GDP

What are you, a Jew?

polish industry

rookie number pumped by enormous debt that had to be paid back and still couldn't defeat Russia because it had very poor industry compared to Stalins USSR

problem is what happened in reality was the worst possible outcome. there is no scenario that would result in a worse result.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_for_Uncompensated_Survivors_Today_Act_of_2017

He's right. The british rothschild banking cartel in England specifically planned for the creation of a zionist state, the nazi party was funded by the zionists and there was a leeway period where the nazis promoted openly for jews to go back to their "home" in palestine, after this grace period came the war. Which was already planned out by the rothschilds and zionists to put germany between a rock and a hard place, forcing them to action but also guaranteeing they lose. All as an excuse to set up the zionist state in the middle east. In the Albert Pike letters, whether real or fake, it laid out the entire foundation of both world wars, the creation of the zionist state, and the ultimate destruction of the zionist state by having it commit genocide against the islamics and letting the two destroy each other (cause of ww3), paving the way later for a one world government in which the entire world is under a single economic-banking, political, and jewish run system. Right now they only directly run the US and EU and israel, but economically dominate 95% of the world.

the nazi party was funded by the zionists

bullshit
the biggest financieer was Fritz Thyssen, a german nationalist steel magnate

They think they are the center of the universe in Poland. They do not even realize where did the democracy come from. The former inhabitants of their territory. They wouldn't buy it from them directly.

It literally was. All of its war and post war loans came from rothschild banking. Just like Elon bought X with a $10 billion loan from the same banking cartel to play both sides and control narratives. Adolf Hitlers own family was not ethnic European by genetics. Also in esoteric judaism (talmud), there is a concept or cult of the "nasi", where control is enacted over a gentile population by use of a false king or puppet king with its own hierarchy.

there is no scenario that would result in a worse result.

Poland despite enduring heavy damages and generational trauma ended up in more favorable circumstances than lets say Germany and endured much smaller population loss of its native people (approx 2 mln) Poland went from 24 mln in 1939 to 38 mln in 1990 which is significant

Germany's overreliance of industry and the fact that nobody buys German stuff anymore is a reason why the country is doing so poorly economically compared to the US

All your intelligentsia got wiped out by you know who. Now there are only sub-100 retards left. Have you heard of Katyn? Who did it? Russians?

I must have missed that, you irrelevant shithole

The fall of the berlin wall, as seen in the picture. What a moment that was, too bad you young-anons will never know what a liberating moment it was for everyone involved. Look at that joy! IIRC that picture won a pulitzer.

All your intelligentsia got wiped out by you know who

Katyn was a gigantic mistake on Stalin's part heading Poland into anti-Soviet and anti-Russian attitute during the communist period not considering them as liberators but as criminals, which had detremental effect on Poland's future and it's relation with communism.

Now there are only sub-100 retards left

Rich coming from fucking America of all places.

Germany isn't a real country

a pollack using white mans techology while rage posting will never not be funny

say the country whos borders were drawn by Stalin

ended up in more favorable circumstances than lets say Germany

Now that is absurd. Poland ended up in soviet zone of influence, didn't participate in Marshall's Programme, was drained by Soviets out of resources like coal, ended up with commie regime that degraded polish society even further and last but not least was primary target for NATO's nukes. Germany supposedly lose the war, but delevoped rapidly after it, unlike Poland. I wish Poland was losing wars like this.
The only good thing that happened to Poland was territorial gains - and loses (because losing Ukraine was a big plus). Plus russian occupation of Koegnigsberg that deleted once and for all Easter Prussia, the cancer that was killing Poland.

white man's

so not German

the fist computer was literally german

Says nation who was transported in cattle wagons on top of each other and were treated like literal niggers and spics by white people because nobody wanted them in their vicinity

East = poverty but happiness
West = wealth but misery

Those who lived under Komimrazi don't want to live with those bastards again.

Massive fucking cope. Turing machine is the first computer.

slavs arent white

look at the slavnigger rageposting

you posted 26 times now. Please do something for humanity and end your miserable existence because you're good for nothing and at the top of all you're a fucking german! It couldn't get worse

Communism was based.

easy, Kiel is full of faggots

Communism does a better job of preserving culture and racial survival instincts than judeo-american liberalism

We should ally with russia asap.

With the way things are going, you'll be set up as enemies for atleast another generation

posts 22 times in a german thread

Poland ended up in soviet zone of influence

Which is why it was allowed to conduct ethnic cleansing of Germans which was necessary for nation state buildup and wouldn't be possible if we ended under American occupation. Remember that America intervened in WW2 only to save Germany and disallow Stalin from taking more of Europe.

didn't participate in Marshall's Programme

And rebuild their historic cities without it and better than nations who received gibs.

was drained by Soviets out of resources like coal

But received oil and other products it was all transactionary.

Ended up with commie regime that degraded polish society even further

You're fucking moron. Poland underwent civilizational transformation during that period Poland rapidly modernized, electrified, the illiteracy was eradicated, new schools hospitals, heavy industry railways that we use to this day. You're swallowing too much propaganda.

was primary target for NATO's nukes

Shows how lovely Americans treated Poles.

Communism was based for a brief period of stalin's reign when he purged the jews violently, the western jews whacked him for it however. Before and after that it was not based. The same people also had Kennedy whacked because he wanted a to de-escalate with the USSR in the cuban missile crisis and Kennedy also told the CIA (not loyal to the US, but loyal to zionism) to go fuck itself literally in the bay of pigs escalation plan, Kennedy was also hand picked for his job because his father was a literal mobster who knew what he was doing, he just got an inflated ego after becoming president and thought he was above the rothschilds and interfered with their plans so they whacked him.

their historic cities

you didnt rebuild shit in Warsaw
you did in the german cities, because they were empty

Kill yourself already you're not doing anything with life but posting on Polish threads, I will make your miserable useless life even more miserable with a smile on my face

you didnt rebuild shit in Warsaw

Another sub 60 IQ response from a germ

you did in the german cities, because they were empty

Even worse response, holy shit, just end yourself

in case you mised it, this is a german thread
apparently youre drugged out of your mind and hallucinating considering the nonsense you post here
so you might missed it

this is a german thread

And it's insignificant because Germany is an irrelevant non-country made up by the US

look at this historic polish city

Of course it would be possible. It's America that literally nuked Japan TWICE. Kicking out Germans wasn't something they would not allow.

Soviet Union also took german part of reparations that were supposed to be polish. Poland WASN'T on receiving end of that deal. All Warsaw Pact countries were soviet vasals with all consequences of being colonies.

Poland underwent civilizational transformation during that period Poland rapidly modernized, electrified, the illiteracy was eradicated, new schools hospitals, heavy industry railways that we use to this day.

So Poles were too dumb to modernise Poland on their own, needed Soviet overlords, is that what you are trying to tell me?

Shows how lovely Americans treated Poles.

And where would you send your nukes if not to the place where all Warsaw Pact armies are preparing to strike?

continues to rage post like a drunk slavnigger

"During World War II, the Old Town was nearly totally destroyed, and subsequently reconstructed. The project was the world's first attempt to resurrect an entire historic city core and was included on the UNESCO World Heritage list in 1980.[7][8] The reconstruction efforts were again recognized in 2011 when all its documents and records were added by UNESCO to its Memory of the World international register."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Town,_Warsaw

you're just so low IQ, you cannot even do a proper research, you're posting Ls after Ls you dumb alcoholic german degerate

So Poles were too dumb to modernise Poland on their own, needed Soviet overlords, is that what you are trying to tell me?

Yes actually. Just like the rest of USSR states.

Of course it would be possible

You're a moron and you're uneductaed. America was opoosed of giving Poland former german territory in the first place let alone expelling people from there.

Soviet Union also took german part of reparations that were supposed to be polish.

And did fuck all with it. Wasted it.

So Poles were too dumb to modernise Poland on their own, needed Soviet overlords, is that what you are trying to tell me?

It shows that we don't need American occupation that you beg for the country to rapidly modernize.

And where would you send your nukes if not to the place where all Warsaw Pact armies are preparing to strike?

American nukes were targeting all the cities in Poland, civilian targets primarily.

20 buildings
really impressive
meanwhile the rest is full of commie blocks
no wonder your shithole never amounted to anything
your brain is literally not working right

Warsaw old town was not the only one section reconstructed you moron. All the historically valuable sights in the town were reconstructed to how they were originally, which cannot be said about German cities wich are ugly shitholes right now, because Germans are bunch of human trash that were rightly removed from Poland.

can we see the commie block you live in?

I live in individual house like majority of people here, unlike germans who don't even own their cuckshed in commieblocks

what explains this?

(picrel)

Why only germs have this .jpg saved?

this the typical "home onwership" in Pollackia

Germans cannot possibly own even this

I'm actually very well educated, but I won't be spending time proving it to you.

Nobody said that I wanted American occupation. Poland got former III Reich land as a recompensation for losing eastern parts of the country.

It shows that we don't need American occupation that you beg for the country to rapidly modernize.

No, with all your comments you are proving that communism was essential for rebuilding Poland, hence Poles without communism wouldn't be able to rebuild and modernise their country. Well I disagree with that. Communism did build some industry - but destroyed few generations of Poles, which we feel to this day.

Imo Poland should go Finland's way after the war.

West Germany = 45 years of Judeo propaganda.
East Germany = aversion to socialist propaganda due to Soviet block and Warsaw Pact.

What is Kreutzberg
XDD

probably alot of poles living there

and the westoids are completely obvlivious to being ruled by essentially totalitarian narcissistic commies for decades now, the based easties do though, they see through it.

UH-MUH GERMAN ZENCE OF HUMOR HA-HA-HA ZO FUNNY JA???!!!

no, fuck off and die hans

people who lived under communism are much more RW than those who haven't, that's true everywhere it's occured

I'm actually very well educated

propagandized, you're not educated, you're a moron and it's not wrong commiting mistakes, but clinging to it.

Nobody said that I wanted American occupation

Fucking idiot. There were only 2 options during WW2 you end up on either side. The conclusion of WW2 meant ending up being occupied by once force that divided Europe in half. Lack of Soviet occupation meant American occupation and vice versa.

It would be the best if Stalin offered Poland neutrality in fashion of Finland and Austria that would be great, but Stalin wasn't so great

hence Poles without communism wouldn't be able to rebuild and modernise their country

The industrialization of Poland wasn't going particulary well before WW2. We cannot say how well would Poland fare in capitalist world past WW2, it would likely have better economy and living standards though.

What is it today? A country which 1/3rds itself every generation through emigration and birth rates which import endless jeets? A chain dog of the USA.
YOU ARE DELUSIONAL
They NEEDED to take one of the options even if they were both not good options.

two pollacks arguing amongst each other how irrelevant their shithole would have been under communism or capatalism
let me help you, nothing would have changed

Do you even have a comparison of Poland vs Germany and seriously write something like that?

nobody asked about your irrelevant opinion of a drunk, german junkie

all your posts make me laugh
seriously, you always provide the best entertainiment with your delusional pollack posts

whatabout

We know we are fucked but you cant get out that easily
You said before you foremost care about poland so this is about poland
LOOK AT YOUR BIRTHS
They will decline even further as the strong cohorts around 1990 get older
Your birth rate is barely above 1 per women. You have soon more immigration per year then births

but at least we did not ally with the eeeeeeevvvvillll german and russians

your life itself is an entertainment of how low a human can possibly fall

LOOK AT YOUR BIRTHS

Poland's birth rate refect wider trends that are common accross the world. We aren't special you retard.

I'm not saying this is good, but it's a global occurence

they actually import more than us

and the westoids are completely obvlivious to being ruled by essentially totalitarian narcissistic commies for decades now, the based easties do though, they see through it.

this, obviously
Germans that suffered under communism now have an advantage. The irony

So? We shouldn't become a decoy and primary target for Hitler. It was Poland's stupidity we volunteered to be the first tarhet in this war. We know that Hitler initial plan was to attack western Europe first and that was the reason why France and UK duped us into signing the anti-german treaty. If you say it's not true, this will be the end of this discussion from my part. Who knows what would happen if history went that way. The best policy is to enter the war LAST, NEVER first.

non-EU citizens

ignores EU citizens

Yeah including ukrainians they already likely have more immigration then births but i dont know for sure, that the poles know better.
Its the lowest in europe so its worse then almost everywhere else
wbj.pl/poland-with-the-worst-birth-rate-on-the-continent/post/143814
Ok lets assume poland allies with germany in ww2 and wins. Do you really think central europe would have this demographic collapse right now with european nationalists winning?
If it allies with russia and wins and even if russia installs a commie gov afterwards, look at the births before russia left

Hitler's primary focus was Russia which he even admitted it at the late stages of war, expansion in the east.

He massively feared and didn't want 2 front war. And the invasion of Poland delievered it

Its the lowest in europe so its worse then almost everywhere else

Because we don't have shitskin baby makers like you have, use your brain for once. Big chunk of births are non-whites in western europe

Berlin is like commiefornia or Melbourne, full of faggots and artsy leftists.

Ok lets assume poland allies with germany in ww2 and wins.

lol
It loses and it's considered nazi collaborator and suffers consequences of it.

again deflecting

Even germans have higher birthrates then poles. (around 1.2)
But you ignore the rest of my post, you just argue "it doesnt matter because elsewhere its also bad".
You ignore how poland could have prevented ALL OF IT by making good desicions before the war

I cant see Germany (with austria, chechs, hungary, and the other allies) losing. Reminder Operation Barbarossa was close to succeeding, 1 million polish soldiers and its an easy win. And you might even get belarus and lithuania if germany would have been fine with getting the southern parts.

Even germans have higher birthrates then poles.

Source

No. British intelligence KNEW Hitler's plan, that's why they signed a treaty with Poland - to buy time. We know this as A HISTORICAL FACT.

Yes, we are dying out, but that's not the reason to import niggers. Either Poland is for Poles - or it can be nuked as far as I care. Poland's sole reason of existence, is to be a state that realises polish interests.

Hungarians were crushed in the 50's
Czechs were crished in the 60's etc.

isnt like half your children under 15 of migration background?
you dont take in count the fact young poles emigrated and many started families in other eu countries before making enough money to come back and settle down
you dont take into account 3rd generation turks that already count as native germans
you dont take into account how many more niggers and syrians/iraqis/afganis you have

No real source
but guessings
de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1464984/umfrage/fertilitaetsrate-in-deutschland-nach-staatsangehoerigkeit-der-mutter/
1.25 for mothers with german pass so thats still too high but its not lower then poland.

British intelligence KNEW Hitler's plan, that's why they signed a treaty with Poland - to buy time.

It was a massive mistake for the UK, moronic even, to even enter the war that was not in their interest and Britain ended up in horrible financial situation and lost empire status thanks to that.

Hitler never even wanted war with the UK. Stop revising history.

why even is this thread full of Pollacks
what a weird county

german passport

ethnic german

fucking moron

Because Germany is an irrelevant shithole.

Yes but thats not happening if this continues you import indians as we speak
Did you even read my post and think about it?
You answered in less then 1 minute and your answer is NOT what i argued (i argued about war with poland and germany)(you answered about post war thing)
READ
THEN
THINK
THEN
ANSWER

whole internet is

Its a guess i made ffs. I lowered it and explained it REAL FIRST
No, its like 30%
I dont know, even on facebook they are all in when its about german history with the worst takes. (I guess same with russia).
They keep obsessing fighting germany and russia while literally dying out

yep hoi3 is super easy when you ally with axis as poland
too bad hitler broke NAP and gave us ultimatum that would fuck as same as sudetenland czechs after pic rel

So you think Germany would have lost Operation Barbarossa with the polish army and logistic help? While also not having to occupy and fight partisans in poland?
I think thats unreasonable to believe but of course it should be argued.

guess

so you're lying.

Ethnic Germans are dying and massively, current population is stable only due to mass immigration, and soon the immigration will be browner and browner. Poland will likely face the same fate but we're in uncomparable situation as of right now.

So you think Germany would have lost Operation Barbarossa with the polish army and logistic help?

Yes. It lost with big chunk of Europe supplying Germany, so Poland would make no difference

I did hear his speech about that
He was mad about something in that pact but i cant remember.

I dont know, even on facebook they are all in when its about german history with the worst takes. (I guess same with russia).

Poland is as fake as Ukraine
a country that was invented 100 years ago by foreign powers
they also have the same obsession with Nordsteam, because they know where their masters are, which are the same

You are 30 years behind but again dont make it about Germany
I absolutely do believe poland would make the difference, logistics would be much easier and protected is huge and 1 million extra soldiers is what lacked in august to attack kiev and moscow at the same time.

I believe

Believing will not make it true

Yes. It lost with big chunk of Europe supplying Germany, so Poland would make no difference

Also poland is way more relevant then hungary. czechia, finland and even italy (there i said it)

formal agreement was written in august
previously british just guaranted our independence diplomaticaly and french joined them
but back then they noted they couldnt guaraneet any direct help by air land or sea and since april untill august we were in diplomatic talks with british government about possible cooperation

which is also why i attack poles of beeing a chain dog of the usa even tho baltics and fins are the same but they literally dont matter while poland is very relevant and important to change course.
If a true nationalist come to power is estonia it wont matter, but it poland it can change things

*in
*in

Hm ok i have to rewatch it again maybe

I do believe Poland + germany would absolutely crush the Soviet Union - under one condition: if the rules of the game remain the same. We don't know what would really happen if history went the other course. It might as well end up with Berlin and Munich being nuked by Americans.

a true nationalist in Poland is no different than a true nationalist in Ukraine
these are fake countries, whos only value is to foreign powers

biggest work we did during ww2 was sabotaging german supply lines and collecting intel
we damaged or destroyed over 10% of total rail transport to eastern front and over 40% of all raports from occupied europe
also they wouldnt break enigma without us

Dont be that prejudiced
Yes true, france would have to be defeated again for example

nukes

Nukes dont really matter if the societ union falls in 1942 or even later
Usa wont even get to germany with bombers as air fighters would be the priority to produce
And even if they nuke, its not the wooden houses if Japan and Germany would respond with Sarin attacks.
Reminder: Only Germany had modern gas which penetrated the old gas mask. And they had lots of it. A ful gas war is more deadly then back then a few nukes.

Sarin

In fact they did not even have Tabun where Germany had produced 12 million tons.
Im pretty sure a nuke would provoke Germany using that against Anglos.