And people think russia got shit over the US.LOL.LMAO

Russia out producing all of NATO

In artillery shells.

By it's doctrine NATO uses airforce instead of artillery, so it's countries didn't develop production output of artillery shell and other obsolete military stuff that is currently used in Ukraine. Russians are using more artillery shells every day than was used during entire war in Iraq.

I guess there are countries in Africa that are making more black powder than entrie NATO as well.

I told you to go back to paRussia, Sergay. You and your kind don't belong in Lithuania. You are hated, vodkanigger.

Hilarious cope.
Russian manufacturing is smaller than Germanys. Hell, it's smaller than South Koreas,
South Korea manufactures more cars and planes than Russia.

In military materiel with regards to its particular use, utility, lethality, and effectiveness in military objective? I don't think we were talking about manufacturing though. It seems like you want to steer it that way to change to set your own narrative of conversation that's not even being had.

Russian manufacturing is smaller than Germanys. Hell, it's smaller than South Koreas

that's cute

By it's doctrine NATO uses airforce instead of artillery

this simply means NATO doesn't have the capability to fight a large war, then.

The shift to airpower for EU was mainly dirven by American military doctrine. But American military doctrine is never fixated on fighting large peer-to-peer conflicts. It entirely revolves around power-projection through proxy wars or direct conflict with smaller isolated nations.

In all seriousness, the EU fucked itself in so many ways. It would be funny if it wasn't true.

Stick to your daily krokodil, kacaptcheg

It's objective fact, pidor.
Russia manufactures less cars and ships than South Korea. Also, Russia has no domestic electronics comparable to what Samsung makes.

Even when it comes to military, pidor manufacturing is smol.
Where are armatas and su 57?
Pidors have anounced 20 different kinds of drones over the last 20 years, where are they?

It entirely revolves around power-projection through proxy wars or direct conflict with smaller isolated nations.

Fact that Russia couldn't establish air superiority in Ukraine, even before NATO countries started sending Ukrainians mig-29, means that it's in fact such "smaller isolated nation", but just bigger one.

This means doctrine ultimately will be successful, only it'll take more time and resources than war with much smaller Iraq.

When you compare nominal GDP, the comparison is confounded by the currency exchange rate. You should compare GDP PPP if you want to compare GDP in terms of actual goods and services produced

Also, I don't see what's the point in comparing Russia's annual GDP to what the US wasted over a 21 year period on Taliban whack-a-mole and "nation building" projects in Afghanistan

Fact that Russia couldn't establish air superiority in Ukraine, even before NATO countries started sending Ukrainians mig-29, means that it's in fact such "smaller isolated nation", but just bigger one.

Fact is that nobody can establish air superiority in Ukraine.
This is why NATO/US have not established a no-fly zone there, despite pissing and shitting their pants in desires to do so.

And as with recent developments, it seems Russia even learned to knock out highly expenisve cruise missiles with high success rate (hence why there's so few of them flying at this point)

The bottom truth you're looking for is that both Russia and Ukraine (aka NATO in disguise) have enough technological ability to knock anything out of the sky, hence why there is a stalemate in the sky. (launching a bird that costs millions just to carry out some small strike, with 90% certainty you'd lose that bird - is not something neither Russia nor NATO/Ukraine would consider a good investment)

I hope you don't believe the shit you're paid to spew here.

Not to burst your bubble, but EU "manufacturing" is non-existant, Russia is shit, but they can operate by themselves, and US could. EU couldn't.

yet nafo troons cant win the war still against a country with no industry lol, you belters are rent free

China manufactures most of our things today.
Russia isn't at the top for sure, but it's still on the list (Lithuania isn't).
And kind reminder - most of Europe's manufacturing power is dependent on cheap energy from Russia.

The bottom truth you're looking for is that both Russia and Ukraine (aka NATO in disguise) have enough technological ability to knock anything out of the sky, hence why there is a stalemate in the sky. (launching a bird that costs millions just to carry out some small strike, with 90% certainty you'd lose that bird - is not something neither Russia nor NATO/Ukraine would consider a good investment)

Majority of casualties is done by drones and these pretty much fly. NATO by it's doctrine has jets instead of drones to do much more damage, much more effective. Ukrainians have no such power and were not given such power by NATO countries, because decision makers in NATO don't want Russia to lose and collapse.

Russia is just bigger case of 3rd world shithole and nobody wants dealing with another Afghanistan of 140 million people.

our GDP is propped up by inflated healthcare costs and (((financial services))).
It's a sham.

How is Russia out producing all of NATO with such a lower GDP?

Russia builds things
we bet on imaginary financial instruments.

Retard, Boeing makes the best planes in the world, and apart planes EU also manufactures cars and ships and very specific electronics. Siemens makes the best medical equipment in the world.

Hilarious whatabautism. China makes cheap stuff like earphones, plastic toys, cups etc. EU makes planes, cars, ships, medical equipment.
What year of 3 day war?

Ireland visible on such a infographic

It's bullshit.

because decision makers in NATO don't want Russia to lose and collapse.

no we didn't want to lose dozens of F-16s to s-300 and s-400 air defense (which we would have).

It never did.

Pay people to dig holes in the desert to raise GDP

Especially not nominal.It was a good metric during the unipolar moment in the 90s and early 2000s when everything was US centered but no more.

Germany is fucked, retard.

energyconnects.com/news/utilities/2023/october/siemens-energy-s-faulty-wind-turbines-become-germany-s-problem/

two. moar.weeks

Yes, it does, and it correlates almost 100% to the energy used.
It's a perfectly valid indicator of how many things are getting done, you need to pair it with welfare/well-being measurements to get the full picture.

So it's pure coincidence that countries with high GDP have high life expectancy, good infrastructure, ect?

GDP of Russia is propped by overestimated military production (e.g. 30k Shahed drones counted as 500k drones) and fact that Russians are lying because nobody is capable of fact checking them.

Russian foreign trade is equivalent of Poland's foreign trade, which countable economic output of entire Russian Federation is the size of 37 million, post-commie, European country.

because decision makers in NATO don't want Russia to lose and collapse.

''We never wanted to win anyway''.That is such a cope.I'm listening to a lot of neocohen jewtubers like the high level nafo journalists at the telegraph who are pretty much integrated into the neocon world and they do want Russia to collapse and have as much problems as possible.

NAFO lives rent-free in the zigger's mind.

''We never wanted to win anyway''.

For civilized countries winning over someone means taking care of these people. Nobody wants to have anything to do with failed state of 140million souls.

Russia lives rent free in Nafo's mind

The entire purpose of Nafo is to seethe and cope about Russia.

NATO isn’t even fighting. Business as usual in every NATO country. Russia can’t keep up with the West and we’re not even in war economy time.

Please remind me, how many of F-16s that were sent to Ukraine were lost to s-300 and s-400?

Maximum sanctions pressure

Support terrorism,sabotage,dissent,separatism

Cyber attacks against infrastructure

Diplomatic attacks and attempt at diplomatic isolation

Military support to ukraine

Literal stated objectives to defeat Russia

''We never wanted to win anyway, i guess losing is fine''

You're stating things that should be considered top priority goals by US and all European countries, but factually are not. Sadly, only some butthurt belters take them seriously enough.

When your enemy has a real anti air defense, there’s no point. Yeah you can bomb dune coons in a phony one sided war but as soon as you have a real war against a real superpower, it’s back to the trenches for both sides.

I could totally win because i'm like super strong but i prefer losing and getting humiliated.

This just a cope.Do you even listen to what is happening in the EU right now?The defeat of Russia is their main policy now, both internally and externally.They are still losing though lmao.

The USA have problems establishing air superiority over Yemen and they don't even have the high powered AA like the S300,S400 or strategic depth.
The traditional Nato doctrine of air superiority of obsolete.

decision makers in NATO don't want Russia to lose and collapse.

Lmao. Just one kick in the rotting door and the whole structure collapses?

Do you even listen to what is happening in the EU right now?

You mean silly powerstruggle between some governments of EU countries since US is gtfo from here? Russia is stated as main enemy, but nobody does anything about it.

The defeat of Russia is their main policy now, both internally and externally.

EU still pays Russia money in exchange for gas. We're several steps away from considering Russia's a top priority on anything. Even if entire EU do what Poland does (like spending 5% of gdp on defence), it would be still far behind what Russia is doing regularly.

Just one kick in the rotting door and the whole structure collapses?

How else could you explain that one ugly motherfucker with few thousand men marched on capital, basically unmolested by anyone? Can you imagine that in US or in some EU country?

That's literally some Africa-tier, 3rd world shit.

Russia is stated as main enemy, but nobody does anything about it.

Did the mega EU rearm project just not exist in your mind?They are trying at max but the power is just not there.They are trying to create an army from industrial capacity that doesn't exist and from money they don't have.

EU still pays Russia money in exchange for gas.

They cut as much trade with Russia as possible.The EU still needs cheap energy from Russia, without it how could their war industries create weapons to fight Russia?
Without cheap energy there is no rearmament, it just doesn't happen.

Basically its not that they don't want to fight Russia its just that they are weak and retarded.
Look, they can't even send a 30-40k well equipped soldiers to ukraine because their militaries are so depleted.

What power "isn't there"? The EU is producing more of its own power and importing more from the world which, you know, isn't only featuring russia.
Retarded maybe, but so is russia. Look at how putin is fucking it all up, and for what?

I'm not from the US but you're talking total cope, s300/400 a loada shite, they're the AA version of cope. You're talking cope about mechanical cope. Russians haven't advanced technologically in decades, they just pretend they have for sake of cope. Nobody else is buying it but themselves.

What power "isn't there"?

Raw power to beat Russia.No industrial capacity(in fact they are de industrializing because they cut cheap Russian energy),no money to fund the rearmament and no willingness from their population to embark on this project.Recruitment into western armies is shrinking.
Its ovyr.They tried their best and they failed.

Cope:the post

Did the mega EU rearm project just not exist in your mind?

Biggest economy of EU doesn't even spends 2% of it's gdp on defense. How "mega" is that, when Russia admits to 6.7% (realistically much higher, since Russian gdp itself is vastly overestimated)?

It's clearly a matter of political will, not economic capacity.

The EU still needs cheap energy from Russia, without it how could their war industries create weapons to fight Russia? Without cheap energy there is no rearmament, it just doesn't happen.

This statement is false, as countries that arm themselves most are also ones that cutted themselves most from Russian resources.

its just that they are weak and retarded

Yes. It's called lack of political will to take necessary steps against Russian threat. That's what I'm talking about. Nobody trully fights (or even wants to fight) Russia.

"GDP"
Federal employees salaries add to GDP.
OK, so it's not a real number measuring anything of value.

In artillery shells.

Russia Produces More Ammunition in Three Months Than NATO Does in a Year, States Rutte
nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_232943.htm?selectedLocale=en
Here, straight from the NATO website: All ammunition. Drones, artillery shells, bullets, all explosives, everything.
Go back to the front, draft dodger

GDP doesn't work as an economic estimate anymore, retard.

This anon is correct.
PPP is a better number, at least it cannot be easily faked by central banks.
In US, Fed prints a trillion every 100 days, so GDP number is meaningless really.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

You need to stop posting this CIA fake.

Biggest economy of EU doesn't even spends 2% of it's gdp on defense.

There is no capacity for an industry to absorb more money that doesn't exist to make more weapons.Don't you get it?There is no robust industry to support a massive re armament and throwing money into the air won't make that happen.
GDP is just numbers on paper, they need to be backed up by a robust economy and most importantly industry and its just not there.Worse yet Merz want to further move away Germany from industrial production and financialize it.
Building up the military industrial complex would take 10-20 years, assuming the EU got competent leadership who understand who industry works but they got BlackRock people who think they can just throw money at problem.

This statement is false, as countries that arm themselves most are also ones that cutted themselves most from Russian resources.

Like Poland and the baltics?They are irrelevant because they are building their military from imports.What the EU rearmament is about is rebuilding a robust domestic military industry.How you do that without cheap energy?

Yes. It's called lack of political will

The current EU designated champions are literally mega hawks against Russia like Kaja kallas.

There is a political will to confront Russia, there is just no strength to do it, so we left with endless posturing and cope talk.

How else could you explain that one ugly motherfucker with few thousand men marched on capital, basically unmolested by anyone?

Putin wanted to avoid bloodshed between Russians.

GDP can be counted by nominal $ or ppp. Both ways are no good for countries that have classified and sometimes just falsified huge chunks of their economy data, which is exactly what Russia is doing.

What isn't easly falsified is foreign trade (because data goes from both sources). Foreign trade of Russia in 2024 was 717billion usd - which is smaller that foreign trade of Poland. Poland's gdp in 2024 was 863billion of nominal us dollars and something around 2 trillion of magical, ppp money.

This is such a strange perception. No, the west is rearming more by a relatively large amount.

when everything was US centered but no more.

said the serbian

speaking english

on an american website

oh you people

there was a bunch of sanctions on russia

GDP

over 60% of US jobs are fake and gay bureaucratic managerial bullshit

There is no capacity for an industry to absorb more money that doesn't exist to make more weapons...

I won't quote entire paragraph, however you pretty much summed up lack of political will.

They are irrelevant because they are building their military from imports.

Nope. Reason why Poland ordered several times more tanks from Korea than US, was that production of these moves to Poland eventually.

How you do that without cheap energy?

Vast chunk of energy prices in EU are taxes. Governments of EU absolutely have all the tools that could make the switch happen. They don't do it because in reality they don't believe in war with Russia. They don't do it, they won't do it. Sadly.

like Kaja kallas

Oh, that great Kaja Kallas that has power to shape EU foreign policy like she's EU's version of Bismarck or something...

There is a political will to confront Russia, there is just no strength to do it, so we left with endless posturing and cope talk.

In case of EU will = strenght. We're still talking about 3rd economy in entire world. Despite propaganda from all sides, there are still huge piles of money in here. There's just no will to spend it on defense. There's not even unity in considering Russia a serious threat.

Putin wanted to avoid bloodshed between Russians.

Nigga, whole premise of invasion on Ukraine was that Ukrainians are Russians.

there was a bunch of sanctions on russia

And since Russia doesn't produce much (other than natural resources) we can assume that along with decreasing foreign trade, their actual gdp decreased as well. It's not like Russian citizens started consuming all this gas and oil that was previously bought by EU.

Imports of Russian LNG into the EU rose by 19.3 percent in 2024 year over year. A key factor for this increase is the German company SEFE becoming an active buyer of Russian LNG, purchasing 58 shipments accounting for 4.2m tonnes in 2024.
highnorthnews.com/en/germany-cant-shake-russian-gas-lng-purchases-arctic-yamal-project-skyrocket

Foreign trade of Russia in 2024 was 717billion usd

That's hilarious when the IMF admits most of Russian economy doesn't go through SWIFT and Euroclear anymore. Based on the actual numbers, they estimate Russia being the 4th largest economy of the world, estimated at 6 trillion $ in PPP, while simultaniously saying that it could be up to 40% higher.
Do you know which country is in deep economic shit? Yours, Ukraine. And nobody is coming to save you.

mports of Russian LNG into the EU rose by 19.3 percent in 2024 year over year.

And still Russian foreign trade was smaller than foreign trade of Poland. That makes Russian nominal gdp of 2 trillion usd highly questionable.

Nope. Reason why Poland ordered several times more tanks from Korea than US, was that production of these moves to Poland eventually.

Maybe they put up some assembly plant or a maintenance hub or something but most of the parts will come from US S.Korea.

Vast chunk of energy prices in EU are taxes.

When the war happened with Russia did they decided to increase tax on energy by 200-300%?If not then why did it increased?
Heavy industry is already closing down all across Europe because they don't have access to cheap energy.

Oh, that great Kaja Kallas that has power to shape EU foreign policy like she's EU's version of Bismarck or something...

Well these are the leaders of the EU.I didn't said they are competent but they are clearly Russia hawks so the political will is 100% there, its just that they are incompetent buffoons who have no idea wtf they are doing.

In case of EU will = strenght.

You can have all the willpower in the world to lift that 140kg bench but if you don't have the strength for it its not gonna happen.
The EU leadership does have the willpower but they don't have the strength backing them up.
You are talking about 3td biggest economy and big money but there just isn't any free money that they can move around into their defence spending.
Look, the US is funding their empire from money printing because petrodollar is a world currency.
China is funding it from exports from manufacturing.
Russia is funding it from resource exports.

The EU doesn't have any of this.They are trying to fund it from debt.This is going to backfire horribly.

That's hilarious when the IMF admits most of Russian economy doesn't go through SWIFT and Euroclear anymore.

Foreign trade doesn't need to go through swift to be calculated. Trade partners have numbers on their side and until it's North Korea sending faulty artillery ammo, they have no reason to hide or falsified the data.

estimate Russia being the 4th largest economy of the world

IMF doesn't count anything. It just repeats numbers given to them by each country. Russia falsifies it's numbers. It's that simple.

Yours, Ukraine. And nobody is coming to save you.

My country is Poland and it's doing great as it's economy is fueled by russophobia. Even if I was Ukrainian in Ukraine, my economic prospects still would be superior to what goes to Russia.

Foreign trade doesn't need to go through swift to be calculated

SWIFT does matter when the IMF and the World Bank do their calculations Ukrainian retard

Trade partners

What trade partners? India, China and many others do not use SWIFT anymore when trading with Russia.
Even Marco Rubio said the USA will soon not have the means to sanction anymore, through SWIFT. Hence why the USA used it as a weapon in the first place

IMF doesn't count anything

Their main job is counting and falsifying through independent means. If you think the IMF and the World Bank are just repeating you're a retard. You think they just hand out loans based on a "pinky swear, my economy is strong"?

I'm Polish

You're a draft dodger

financial services arent included in GDP

Because GDP is a very very bad metric to compare different economies.

You are both right in different ways.

What was the Taliban's GDP in 2021?

The us are still paying the interest on that 2.3t let alone the principal.
Whereas the Russians have dealt in cash or gold.
Now who's the chump?

financial services arent included in GDP

Yes they are. That's one of the reasons that it's a BAD metric.

Even a sandnigger militia got shit over the US

an economy being fueled by jewish resentment is not a good thing

it's not though, Russia has more industry, manufacturing and basically anything than Germany by now again. Just because we sell the same shit 3-4 times more expensive, doesn't mean we make 3-4 times as many things

GDP of Russia is propped by overestimated military production

Calling an economy 'overestimated' due to military production while its currently out producing all of NATO is so fucking funny.
But yeah you're right, russia should really focus on making epipens $1,300 and created sub-prime mortgage backed derivatives.
Stupid Russians building useless artillery shells and tanks.

Please remind me, how many of F-16s that were sent to Ukraine were lost to s-300 and s-400?

Probably pretty close to the number of sorties flown by F-16s.

NATO uses airforce instead of artillery

this is fucking retarded

Germany has the #3 largest manufacturing output in the world after China and the US

only when you apply some jewish tricks. what you're referring to is just some diluted number talking about added value, exports and all that stuff, not actually how much you manufacture.
Don't you find it odd how Germany is allegedly having 4 times more, while having a lower GDP PPP, only half the steel production, half the cement production and less than half the energy consumption of Russia?

thread is definitely filled with retarded fella dogs and Anon Babble troons, lost about 20 iq from reading these nafo faggots cope

measuring manufacturing output in fiat currency

belters, man

doesn't it just make more humiliating for the US that they lost a war against Russia?

Fuckin A

this is fucking retarded

He's a Polish nafo retard

None that we know of so far, but shartriots took out 2 of them out of 6 lol

No it doesn't retard.
70% of every industrialized countries GPD is nonphysical goods and services.
Most are 50%+ gdp in derivatives of the rest of the gdp.
Learn some fucking economics ranjeet.

accident on the road

cars have to come in

light has to be on at the hospital

every activity is correlated with energy and actual economists wrote papers and books showing the correlation, learn to read before writing on this topic

GDP doesn't work as an economic estimate anymore, retard.

NOTHING WORKS IN RUSSIA NO UNSUPRISING REALLY

Russia literally controlled 2024 elections retard

TRUE AND THIS WAS THEIR ECHOCAMBER AND STILL IS

tell me how increasing the price of car insurance by 100% increases energy usage by 100%?
Tell me how a jew putting a false buy order into the market after hours and manipulating the price of commodities and derrivitives is using more energy?
The part of the econonmy YOU are talking about is only 20% or so in most counties.
READ A BOOK YOU FUCKING NIGGERS, YOU ARE ALL FUCKING RETARDED SHITS WITH NO LIFE EXPERIENCE

How much internal debt are both countries in?

Pencil pushers wouldn't lie to make numbers look better!

lol

lmao

Yes, they are. What do you think a service economy is? In some places fucking rent is included.

Oh look, it's this retard again!

No, you see, that was just a "pilot error", so we actually didn't lose that one.

That's how you know American is unbeatable. That's also why we never lost against Russia, because it was just Ukraine fighting them with our aid! And all those soldiers of ours who mysteriously died around the time of missile attacks were just a coincidence. Training accidents back home.

Any way, the chart says our economy is way better than theirs, so shut up and stop seething, Euroid. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to the store before eggs go up another ten dollars.

You're a fucking retard

those are ancient 1970s designs

it doesnt need to go through SWIFT to be tracked retard

this is literal communist retard economics

its almost as if quality/value matters not quantity alone.