Catholics worship Mary and statues! The pope can't get between you and Jesus! Priests can't forgive sins even though...

Catholics worship Mary and statues! The pope can't get between you and Jesus! Priests can't forgive sins even though Jesus specifically they could! All that stuff about Peter and the keys to the kingdom was just... a metaphor or something!

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looks at american protestants

turns out having someone between jesus and the uneducated retards who get scammed in his name might be a good idea after all

thats what all churches do, catholics & protestants alike, they want everyone to drop cash in their baskets

"The income of the priest class is totally dependent on their continued ability to sell invisible goods to suckers, they praise and glorify faith to the skies, complimenting people on how much of it they have. If it weren't for faith, they'd be out of business, and they know it."

Have you ever looked at the finances of a average catholic church? It's not a money making operation. It's like

sunday collection: $500

bake sale: $1,200

other: $5,000

Total: -$800,000

lolololol almost all of humanity is destined for eternal hellfire including jews and papists, i will watch them burn from heaven and rejoice in their eternal screams of agony.

grace alone, faith alone, scripture alone

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mulatto papist subhumans get the rope

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Nigger pope

Of course he checked he is a jew

we don't need a pope to get between us and Christ

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all we need is Jesus

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muh money

Show flag Moshe

Goes against scripture

They make way more than 500 in collection, a lot of people actually give 10% of their income and for a medium to large congregation that adds up to thousands or tens of thousands a week

Catholics

Protestants

All I know is they both want to import 300 billion refugees

Anyone that uses the Nicene (((Creed))) is not a Christian, or at the very most, misguided. (I won't argue that they aren't saved, though)

Catholics worship Mary

They literally do though
Kissing a statue as a habit and tradition is not veneration, it is worship

You can't force Jesus to forgive sins. A priest can do and say whatever he likes, but in the end of the day only God can actually forgive the sin. If you think that God works transactionally. Like if you think that you can just say the magic words and you'll be provided with salvation, like ordering food from McDonalds, then you're no better than the Jews.

You both worship the jew god and the jew messiah, whatever.

No cringe in the World makes it not worth it to be free from papist shackles.

Judaism forbids interest on loans. But Judaism obligates Jews to follow the local laws of where they live. Jew were forced to work as representatives of the creditors who most often were the ruling monarchs or nobility. That way the Christian monarchs could loan with interest but outsource the sin to Jews. People blame the guy who shows up to collect the money and no the guy who actually gets the money.

You literally ignore the entire Bible and call yourself "Christian", it's quite sickening to watch that heresy. Roman Catholics have some kind of unclean demonic spirit or something, the word of God actually tells us this.

Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Jesus also tells us plainly "Call no man father upon the earth", and what do Roman Catholics do? They outright call a mortal man their "holy father" without any shame whatsoever, a man who literally assumes to have the authority of Jesus Christ on earth, and his name is Vicarivs Filii Dei, V+I+C+I+V+I+L+I+I+D+I = 666, the number of a man. It's all in everyone's face, the infamous Antichrist that everyone is waiting and looking for all the time, right in our faces, worshipped by billions of people, the largest religious organization on the face of the earth.

YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THIS FACT - YOU HATE THE TRUTH
You love splendid ornaments and golden cups and long robes and Latin phrases and everything human. Your god is Rome, you are a Roman pagan, I'm sick and tired of Romans pretendign they are "Christian" when they so openly go AGAINST the Word of God and disrespect it and have NO SHAME in doing so. You are quite openly NOT a Christian and you don't care at all for the Word of God.
You don't let the truth of the Word speak for itself, you want the Word to bend the knee to your Roman religion. You guys are twisted and upside down in the head.

worship a shitskin rabbi as god incarnate

call each other shitskins

Powerful!

Oh look, some uppity slav, spic or irish from a failed country that had to flee to a Protestant country for a better standard of living.

There are some messed up Protestant churches these days who cling to false ideas, but all Catholic and Orthodox churches propagate false ideas. The Bible is clear. The Old Testament serves to explain concepts to us that are important for understanding God; the idea of the wages of sin being death, of the scape, of the blood of animal being taken instead of our blood where the wage of death is paid but by another in our place, the idea of the passover Lamb whose blood allays wrath, even the passover meal, the eating of the flesh of the lamb, the concept of becoming a new man when you gain faith as shown in Jacob becoming Israel and transforming from a wicked sinner into a righteous follower of God which is exemplified in the water baptism but then we are told that true baptism is of the fire and spirit which Jesus brings. All of the stuff about how God cares nothing for our rituals; He just wants us to love and follow Him, and to love each other.

Somehow Papists and Orthodox and even Lutherans and Anglicans and Presbyterians ignore all of this and become ritual obsessed and deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, sometimes even the nature of Christ as the Passover Lamb whose death is in our stead, who takes our punishment for us. They take analogies like eating Christ's flesh, which is to be understood as the flesh of the Passover Lamb (big L as Jesus) which implies the truth of His role as the sacrifice for our sins which takes away our deserved punishment. Instead they are all: "No, you have to eat bread that a priest prays over otherwise you are going to hell. No, you have to have water sprinkled on you otherwise you are going to hell. No, Christ's sacrifice alone is not sufficient, you need this and to obey us and attend our churches weekly and if you don't you need to come grovel before our man in a hat."

christgolems have always served jews.
Tacitus, Histories, Book 5

For the worst rascals among other peoples, renouncing their ancestral religions, always kept sending tribute and contributions to Jerusalem, thereby increasing the wealth of the jews

Before going to the ethnicities/goyim (ἔθνη), saul was told by james, cephas, and john to remember the poor which he was eager to do.
Galatians 2:9-10

And recognizing the grace that I had been given, James, Cephas, and John—those reputed to be pillars—gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we should go to the ethnicities/goyim (ἔθνη), and they to the circumcision (jews). They only asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.

What does "remember the poor" actually mean?
Romans 15:25-27

But now I am going to Jerusalem, ministering to the saints. For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.

For they were pleased, and they are debtors of them. For if the ethnicities/goyim (ἔθνη) have shared in their spiritual things, they ought also to minister to them in the material things.

1 Corinthians 16:1-4

Now about the collection for the saints, you are to do as I directed the churches of Galatia: On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a portion of his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will be needed. Then, on my arrival, I will send letters with those you recommend to carry your gift to Jerusalem. And if it is advisable for me to go also, they can travel with me.

See:
ἔθνος- biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H1471 גּוֹי (goy)

Someone told me at work the other day "Yeah, well the Bible says a lot of things" when I brought up James in the context of priests forgiving sins.

Jews were kept out of England firstly due to the Christian king Canute the Great who banned them from ever living among us due to the fact they murdered Christ.

The Normans then brought some in, the English got very angry so the Normans oppressed the English. When the Crusades were called, the English purged them across the country and particularly in York where a foolish mayor tried to protect them, only for the jews to take over his castle, then defecate on everything before committing mass suicide. The Norman king then sent his army to punish the English for attacking his pets, but thankfully the Scottish gave the English refuge.

The jews continued to be a menace in England, regularly stealing, forging bills of ownership, turning up after a person had died with a forged will claiming that this English grandpa inexplicitly wanted to leave his house not to his children or grandchildren, but to some jew. The English got so fed up with them that they asked Edward I to remove the jews and offered 1/5th of ALL moveable goods of ALL English people for this. Instead, the Norman king took a bribe from the jews and they were allowed to stay. Then it came out that the jews had murdered an English child, and the jew whose house the child was found at implicated almost every other jew in the country. Norman king then expelled them, probably to save his own hide.

Protestant William Prynne then decisively defeated the argument to re-admit the jews, with parliament all siding with him. Cromwell dropped all attempts to have them legally re-admitted.

Charles II, papist filth that he was, then brought his jewish friends he made in exile back to England. Parliament demanded he remove them. He ignored parliament. Parliament wasn't ready for another civil war, so they were allowed to stay, albeit not legally.

And so it has remained since.

Point being; Christians certainly did not serve jews, many vehemently opposed them and tried to keep them.

a lot of people actually give 10% of their income and for a medium to large congregation that adds up to thousands or tens of thousands a week

thats almost EXCLUSIVELY a protestant/bible-belt/black chruch (especially them) thing

Catholics dont do "tithing"

Protestantism: the slippery slope from thinking the lay man can interpret the Bible for himself to having ordained fags tell you Jesus was a racist.

I have never encountered sectarianism outside of the internet

Im convert to Hussite christianity. I had no denomination before i met my gf and she introduced me into church. From what i get hussites in my church think we are orthodox unlike catholics. Hussites think about czech catholics as liberals. Im racist so i rather stick with hussites since loval catholic churches supported mohamedans and refugees. Still i would rather have catholic neighbour than abomination known as czech atheist. We have catholic priest at hospital where i work and i talk with him sometimes and he seems like good man.

Did you read the post?

If you think that God works transactionally. Like if you think that you can just say the magic words and you'll be provided with salvation

lmao, protestants, by definition believe even worse
the very basis of protestantism is that you are saved "by grace alone" or

"saved by the grace of God alone!"

and nothing that you do or say matters in life, no matter how bad or 'good' you have been because its 100% of up to God who is "saved" and who isnt

so unlike Catholics who are a

"Church of works" (what you do in life has a bearing on whether or not God lets you into heaven)

who must attempt to emulate the good in Christ in life, protestants simply exist as 'already saved'.

protestantism, in that regard, is truly insane to me

Your sin are forgiven because Christ died on the cross in your place. He paid the wages of your sin. All you need to do is believe in Him, and follow Him. Or believe and repent. Repent means to change your mind, to turn away; the idea is that prior to being a Christian you were serving whatever idol it was in your life; money, power, women, drugs, whatever, which can be understood as sin; and when you become a Christian, you stop serving your old master, and serve Jesus instead. That is what repentance is. It is turning away from your old idols, and turning towards Jesus. This is important, as otherwise the devils and their followers who believe but do not follow would be saved based on belief alone.

Repentance must not be understood as a work. Christ's sacrifice alone pays for our sins, and it was given by grace alone so that none may boast. Your good deeds, your baptism, your partaking of the eucharist, your church attendance; these may be good things to do, but they do not save you. Christ saved you, Christ alone, and you did nothing to earn it; it was by grace alone.

Hebrews 10:1-18, Romans 4:1-16, Romans 5:9-10, Ephesians 2:8-9.

Do you even know what you're saying, NIGGER?

Protestantism: the slippery slope from thinking the lay man can interpret the Bible for himself to having ordained fags tell you Jesus was a racist.

well said

>looks at american protestants

turns out having someone between jesus and the uneducated retards who get scammed in his name might be a good idea after all

this really I mean consider mormons and joseph smith

A painfully historically illiterate take.

Have some quotes:

Cyril of Jerusalem: “For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.”

Augustine of Hippo: "As to all other writings, in reading them, however great the superiority of the authors to myself in sanctity and learning, I do not accept their teaching as true on the mere ground of the opinion being held by them; but only because they have succeeded in convincing my judgment of its truth either by means of these canonical writings themselves, or by arguments addressed to my reason."

John Chrysostom: “Wherefore I exhort and entreat you all, disregard what this man and that man thinks about these things, and inquire from the Scriptures all these things; and having learnt what are the true riches, let us pursue after them that we may obtain also the eternal good things.”

Irenaeus: “We have known the method of our salvation by no other means than those by whom the gospel came to us; which gospel they truly preached; but afterward, by the will of God, they delivered to us in the Scriptures, to be for the future the foundation and pillar of our faith,”

This is what a non-argument looks like

This is why I left Protestantism. Seriously 90% of Protestantism here is just scams, completely schizo shit, Jew-worship or new age slop.

if you're going for sola scriptura have some congruence and start stoning misbehaved children and the adulterous

Oh, I know that guy!
That's the "totally not jewish" *wink* sex pest who said the only reason jews don't convert to Christianity is because Europeans are "too mean" to them.
Yeah... I don't like that guy.

Literally everyone always knew this. The Church was screaming this from the rooftops in the 1500's. The fact that you are just now catching on is worrying.

Go to Mass and take commuion. Only an ordained Catholic priest can forgive your sins, carry out excommunications, or consecrate the eucharist. You can make it to Heaven,maybe,walking the hard and dangerous road you are on or walk on the best and surest road Catholics are on. You don't get to steal a book and say it is divine and then say that the people who preserved that book and guarded it for a thousand years are evil and you know better because you are vain and proud and stupid. Sacraments like Baptism and Communion and Confirmation MATTER they are not simply rituals there is a supernatural event occuring(if you are a Faithful Catholic ).

Nigger Heil Hitler!

tithing is not exclusively done through cash, sometimes it's in the form of estate or services
i had an middle class catholic upbringing but rubbed shoulders with the children of powerful catholic men and they often supported the church in different ways

you kissed your wife!? And your kids!? Don't you know that kissing is idolatry!?

Lmao. Not only are you going to hell but not even your genes will live on because this is why you retards can't breed.

By what definition are these churches Protestant? I would argue that if they are going to be referred to as Protestant, they must hold to the agreed upon principles of the Reformers, AKA the Five Solae.

Homosexual marriage and female priests? Don't follow Sola Scriptura, so are not Protestant.

Telling people they are saved by giving money or that they need to speak in tongues or hold snakes or be rich? Denying Solus Christus, Sola Gratia and Sola Fide; therefore not Protestant.

Putting politics before their faith? Denying Soli Deo Gloria, therefore not Protestant.

View all such churches as heresies that came out of Protestant churches. Do not give them legitimacy. Do not allow themselves to be called Protestant when they deny any of the Five Solae.

Catholics usually have darker pigmentation unlike protestants thats all i have to know. I have yet to see black or gypsy hussite.

You are saying that we are justified by works, by obedience; yet this is not the case. We are justified by faith. Read your Bible brother.
Romans 4:
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
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9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Catholics don't do tiding.is correct. In fact it was INFLICTED on Irish Catholics as an additional tax to support protestant clergy by the British state as form of sectarian persecution. There are collections during Mass which no one is obliged to cotribute to that go towards the parish upkeep and occasionally for other poorer parishes or causes like the Papal Charities or other Charities like the excellent Vincent De Paul. Cathoics MAY make a one off donation to the local Parish at easter Time (typically called easter dues and some parishes may also ghave Christmas dues). Those who want to give give what they feel they can.

A tithe is anadminstered tax whicg there are penalties for not peayinga nd it is an exclusively protstant statist phenomenon which was also used to persecute Catholics and force them to pay for protestant clergy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe_War

An Arian Aryan? Nice.

reminder that pretty much every pro-Catholic post from a yank flag is coming from a 5'5 400lbs illegal immigrant from Mexico or some other Latin shithole

Catholicism is like the McDonalds of Christianity.

Catholics are pay to win jews, kill youself

Don;t quote teh Bible at me when yopu are unfit to interpret it. I have no intyerest inn your ramblings sice you deny the very religion that put the Bible in your hands to descerate and turn into a tool for your vanity. Christ appopointed disciples and established aposolistic sucession and you ahev denied Christ. How do you know what else he taught teh apostles that is not in teh Bible?

You ahev rejected not just the corner stone but the whole building. You don;t have Faith, I can sense that. I do. I know God exists, I know God hears my prayers and sends his answers. I know the sacraments are divine You don't, you are not a Catholic. He commanded you to take communionn and 'do this in memory of him' you have rejected his command and the Mass.

Look at you wittyering on about cicumcision when you lack the education or knowlege to so much as appreciuate the Bible, you have no knowlege of the Catchism either. You ahve not recieved the Holy Spirit or His gifts.

Homosexual marriage and female priests? Don't follow Sola Scriptura, so are not Protestant.

Oh yes they fucking are. That is precisely the point of sola scriptural.
Virtually all prot "clergy" now say that the Biblical condemnations of sodomy are mistranslations and that Leviticus and St. Paul et al were condemning ritual pagan sodomy, not sodomy on its own. Go ahead and argue against them using no source other than Scripture. I'll wait.

Reminded that no one cares what you think o the subject of Religion

"Don't speak of your Protestant minister, Nor of his church without meaning or faith, For the foundation stone of his temple Was the bollocks of Henry VIII." Brendan Behan

Matthew 19:17
Matthew 7:21
1 Cor. 6:9-11

Sola fide retards on suicide watch (they won't be Saved when they ACK)

you are unfit to interpret it

What did the Church Fathers have to say on this matter?

Cyril of Jerusalem: “For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.”

Augustine of Hippo: "As to all other writings, in reading them, however great the superiority of the authors to myself in sanctity and learning, I do not accept their teaching as true on the mere ground of the opinion being held by them; but only because they have succeeded in convincing my judgment of its truth either by means of these canonical writings themselves, or by arguments addressed to my reason."

John Chrysostom: “Wherefore I exhort and entreat you all, disregard what this man and that man thinks about these things, and inquire from the Scriptures all these things; and having learnt what are the true riches, let us pursue after them that we may obtain also the eternal good things.”

Irenaeus: “We have known the method of our salvation by no other means than those by whom the gospel came to us; which gospel they truly preached; but afterward, by the will of God, they delivered to us in the Scriptures, to be for the future the foundation and pillar of our faith,”

You papists have been deceived. Return to the truth of Christ. It is Good News, He has won the battle, He has paid our ransom. It is finished. Turn away from your old life and follow Him; believe and you will be saved.

If you trust in your works, in your good deeds, in your baptism and your eucharist and your confessions and your penance; you are in danger.

Galatians 5: 4-6:
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Lmao. Based Brendan.

You cared enough to respond

hey guys! These 3 Catholic Bishops totally believed that the Church's hierarchy was useless and should be discarded!

Stunning.
And brave.

Matthew 19:17:“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

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You have taken this verse out of context. The purpose of the law is to show that all have fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:20). It continues:
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When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

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What is being demonstrated here is that there is NO HOPE without God. But with God all things are possible. Jesus is telling us we must follow Him, and He will do the impossible, which He proceeds to do when He saves us through His sacrifice on the cross.

They failed

If the church hierarchy follow the Scriptures, there is no problem. When the church hierarchy goes against the Scriptures, we have a problem.

This was the view of the Church Fathers too, as is clearly demonstrated from those quotes. They would not recognise their authority based on, as Saint Augustine says, their superiority in sanctity or learning; the bishop of Jerusalem Cyril tells us that you must not even give him absolute credence unless you can prove what he says by the Scriptures. The point is clear here. The church authorities are not authorities in and of themselves, but only when and where they follow the Scriptures.

get out of my country papist scum
the original shit gimmigrants who followed us here even though we were trying to get away from you

Cool story.
The thing is that affirms my position and utterly refutes yours.
I have never once denied that Faith is necessary for Salvation. I (and as the passage shows, Christ) say that you must have Faith *and* keep the commandments.
The only one here denying half of the passage is you.

You guys ever think about how DMC4's plot is effectively this. Mundus pretending to be Sparda to get back into the human world for that dank blood collection.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

This is actually telling us we are justified by faith alone. It is those who go to Jesus and tell him: "Look at what I've done for you. I went mass three times a week, I confessed every day, I was baptised, I partook of the eucharist every sunday, I performed acts of penance, I exorcised demons in your name. Let me into heaven!"

And Jesus will tell them no.

How are we saved? Not by our works. Not by ANYTHING we have done. We are saved by Christ ALONE.

What happens if we trust in Jesus AND our works?
We are told in Galatians:

Galatians 5:2-6:

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Jesus will be of no value to you. Therefore you will be damned. Jesus will turn you away if you are trusting your works or your sacraments.

Didn't some guy just stand if front of an obelisk and go through a ritual where he was conferred the titles 'Holy Father' and 'Vicarious Christ'?

Yeah. No, thank you.

Martin Luther was the first true Anon Babbletard.

When the church hierarchy goes against the Scriptures, we have a problem

Cool. Agreed. The problem here is you are judging whether or not Scripture is being adhered to by your own personal preferences. I would never deny that there have been heretical hierarchs. Arius was a properly consecrated bishop. Luther and Calvin were validly ordained priests. They were dealt with accordingly.
The difference is not that we disagree that there are bad hierarchs that must be ignored. I am in complete agreement with Sts. Cyril, Augustine, and John there. The difference is that you are a liberal who thinks your personal feelings trump thousands of years of correct interpretation. Like all liberals you are a solopsist.

though we were trying to get away from you

You're a historically illiterate retard and likely a sodomite.

This is actually telling us we are justified by faith alone.

It is literally saying the exact opposite in black and white. Your illiteracy is the best possible evidence for rejecting the democratization of exegesis that you are shilling.

Jesus Christ did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the "noble" blood and race of Israel, which is Lucifer's name, for they are children of Satan; and these miserable and accursed children of a wretched demon declared, "He (Jesus Christ) has a demon" [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil." It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.

- Based Luther

First of all, Protestants are far more likely to be conservative than Catholics, who are very regularly liberal.

Secondly, the hierarchs must have their position supported by Scripture. Surely you can understand basic writing? Go read those quotes again.

If we understand that, then let me ask; where in the Scriptures are we told that we must believe Mary was assumed into heaven or else we will be cut off from God?

Now in fairness, I will not insist upon Solo Scriptura, but Sola Scriptura. As in, we can have ideas and understanding that are not explicitly told in the Scriptures; BUT they must not oppose the Scriptures.

So to bring up Mary's assumption and the anathema attached to it once more; are we told in the Bible how we are saved? Yes, clearly. Would having to believe Mary was assumed contradict what the Bible teaches? Yes, clearly. Therefore we reject.

There can be traditions outside of the Bible, but they must not be against the Bible. What we find among the RCs and EOs is that quite a few of their doctrines are explicitly contradicting the Bible. That is why they are in error. That is why we do not accept them.

I wouldn't mind if the RCs kept traditions of penance and confession and their liturgies and their incense and all the rest; IF they did not insist that our salvation comes in part from works/sacraments, that we should pray to saints, that we must believe Mary was assumed into heaven. The fact that they go as far as to say not agreeing with them on those things which are very clearly separate from the Gospel, will lead to your damnation; just makes them completely illegitimate.

You misunderstand faith. Faith is defined in Galatians as showing qualities like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. These are outward manifestations of the Holy Spirit's work within a believer's life. This is faith. Only through showcasing faith are you able to obtain salvation from God.

Christian moments:

Eve wuz made from a rib n' shei

muh talking snek

only way merciful god forgive us is if he blood sacrifices himself to himself in our place

two more weeks until jesuz returns, trusr da plen

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You must be Hispanic or something and just not understand English? Read it in your own language.

Here's what is happening:

Papist is coming to Jesus after he has died. He says; "Look at all these things I've done. I've done mighty works in your name, I've cast out demons, blah, blah, let me in for the things I have done."

And Jesus tells Him no.

Why does Jesus tell him no? Because he does not know Jesus. Who is Jesus? Jesus is the lamb of God. The sacrifice by which the world is saved. How are we saved? By believing in Him.

Romans 10:9-10:
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

John 3:16: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Hebrews 10:8-14
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

we need false shepherds as intermediates so people don't fall for false shepherds

You niggers can't be serious.

First of all, Protestants are far more likely to be conservative than Catholics, who are very regularly liberal.

This is a blatant, laughable lie. Please. Do tell about the bastion of anti-liberalism that is NW Europe. When I think of political and cultural conservatism, I think "Sweden and the UK." Lmao.

Secondly, the hierarchs must have their position supported by Scripture. Surely you can understand basic writing? Go read those quotes again.

I assume you you think courts can be done away with entirely then? No need to interpret laws, because everybody's personal interpretation is fine and no one will allow their personal biases to influence their readings? You're a lunatic.

where are we told we must be orthodox?

Philippians 2:2

BUT they must not oppose the Scriptures.

No Catholic would ever deny this. The problem is you think that your personal, ego centric, solopsistic interpretation of Scripture is the ultimate authority. Because you are a post-Enlightenment individualist. Aka, a liberal.

are we told in the Bible how we are saved?

Yes. Though you deny it.

Would having to believe Mary was assumed contradict what the Bible teaches?

It would not.

What we find among the RCs and EOs is that quite a few of their doctrines are explicitly contradicting the Bible.

Blatant lie.

I wouldn't mind if the RCs kept traditions of penance and confession and their liturgies and their incense and all the rest;

Yes you would.

IF they did not insist that our salvation comes in part from works/sacraments,

This is not only Scriptural but verbatim from Christ's own mouth. Reaffirmed by St. Paul.

that we should pray to saints,

No Catholic says this. Only that you may.

just makes them completely illegitimate.

Again, coming from you who believes in female "ordination" and sodomite "marriage", this is impossible to take seriously.

You must be Hispanic or something and just not understand English? Read it in your own language.

I understand that translating from English to Urdu in your head makes for some serious comprehension issues. But even a 70 IQ Paki should be able to wrap his head around this. Christ says that not everyone who calls Him "Lord" will be Saved. I.e. a profession of faith is not sufficient for Salvation. Right there, sola fide is utterly defeated. Verbatim, out of the mouth of Christ Himself. But He goes on. If faith, *on its own* is not enough, what is necessary? He says we must also do His Father's Will. So we must *do* things in accordance with the Commandments. What is another word for doing things? Oh, right. Work. So we need faith and works to be saved. The exact thing every Christian for 2000 years has understood, and that prots deny. Perfect.

This is a blatant, laughable lie. Please. Do tell about the bastion of anti-liberalism that is NW Europe. When I think of political and cultural conservatism, I think "Sweden and the UK." Lmao.

So in the UK and Sweden, the conservative people are all Christian. It is the atheists who are liberal, with only a small amount of Christians relative to all Christians who are liberal. In the US, we have this: pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/
Which shows that Catholics are FAR more likely to vote democrat than ALL Protestant denominations, except for the exclusively black denominations, for obvious reasons.

Interpreting laws

There's nothing to interpret when so much of it is clearly explained, particularly in Paul's letters. I'll admit that when you read some of what Christ says, one could take it in several ways, but thankfully Paul clarifies the Gospel beyond any doubt. I've provided many of the relevant quotes throughout my previous posts in this thread if you want to read them.

Phillipians 2:2

We are united in CHRIST, in the SPIRIT, not in the musings of men in hats.

Catholics don't deny scripture

John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 4:1-16, Romans 5:1-9. I could go on, but if you'd address those and tell me how you aren't blatantly going against them, I'd appreciate it.

I'll leave it there as there's nothing particularly beneficial to comment on with the rest of your post. God bless you brother, looking forward to your reply.

You have to read the rest of the verse. We are told we have to do the will of the Father, and we are told that those who list their works will not get in.

So what is the will of the Father? Thankfully we are told.

John 6:28-29:
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

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Which goes along with all of the other verses that tell us that it is by faith that we are justified. With that in mind, go back to Matthew 7. See the man trusting in his works is being turned away. It is the man who trusts in Jesus who will be saved.

What if you trust in Jesus, but also your works? In other words, if you think Christ's sacrifice was insufficient, and that your deeds paid off part of your debt. Well we are told this in Galatians 5:2-6:
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.