Why did this movement flop?

birth rates falling in every developed nation

60% of men single and sexless

hoeflation growing exponentially

women planning Hone Depot trips to try and meet guys

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Weimerica levels reaching all time highs

Firstly, it’s not a movement more of a phenomenon. Second, what about any of these things going on around us makes you think it isint still happening?

It didn't die, it's just more covert.

isn't natural

so single motherhood and normalized/encouraged prostitution is normal?

Men need wives and families

According to who?

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Coping divorced losers
Soon to be pussy whipped and divorced loser. Rape is natural. Marriage is retarded feminist slavery.

memeflag

marriage isn't normal, goy

show flag.

It didn't. It's partly why governments are now considering payouts to people to get married and have kids. The problem is they believe it's monetary incentive will fix things.

It flopped?
Flopped my ASS!
This is mainstream now, its just called male loneliness epedemic

need

According to who?

anonymous complains i am anonymous

Enjoy divorce pussy whipped loser

lol I'm not letting the state have jurisdiction over my family.

they were told to fuck off

they fucked off

wtf what went wrong?

No, men don't need anything. Women do. Men can live their whole lives alone. You, an effeminate tranny-to-be, aren't a man.

It flopped? Pretty sure it reached mainstream became common sense

There was no single "movement." Some of the guys who were looking into and advocating men's rights have brought the redpills of the (((family courts))) snd general female behavior into other areas... like here.

Because it was a forced brand of incel lite.

People checking out of dating for a few years is a real and normal phenomenon when their life isn't where they want it to be.
But normal is you eventually pull your shit together and get back out there. Not dating because you feel like the market is bad is like choosing to be homeless because getting a job is hard.

If you actually follow their guidelines you'll be insulated from a lot of legal mumbo jumbo until you finally find your wife.

Because they made it their whole personality in autistic daily videos. Also, they're delusional if they think attractive women will ever end up alone. Beta bucks are a dime a dozen and now that cuckoldry and polyamory are common in libshit cities, women don't even need to have sex with their beta bucks husband.

Women crying on tiktok about no relationships

1000s of videos of women asking where to find men

Singles events with only women as attendees

Male participation on dating apps plummeting

women constantly reassuring themselves with the myth of male loneliness

Lolz, men just don't care anymore

It didn't flop. Feminists just cried wolf about it and got it banned and fucked with everywhere. And then zoomies eat up feminist lies like this: (MGTOW IS NOT INCEL. MGTOW IS SEX HAVERS NOT HAVING SEX ANYMORE ITS VOLCEL).

No, because a lot of those guys were divorced sex-havers. Not incels. Never were incels.

Yes

Scope the marriage stats if you think it flopped

If people were dating, they were not incels. MGTOW is not an incel movement. Just because they share talking points, doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Natural selection
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MGTOW leads to extinction and your body knows this
Only ricecels can stick with it because they are disconnected from their animal instincts anyway
Trucels will in time fall into two categories: those who acquire a womb BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (like jeets lol) and those who slowly die out in a stasis of porn and bing bing yahoo videogames in a sort of eternal childhood

women crying on tiktok

Women always cry. Whats new? They'll cry if things are perfect and cry if they're not. They need constant stimulation until they're dead. Its why I don't feel sorry for tired moms, they need to be kept busy until they fall asleep or else they'll be happy hour bitching about something

Men SENT Their Own Way

Men went so far their own way they don't even think or interact with women at all.

At heart MGTOW was about causing women to seethe. It was centered around women
We've become too based for that now

It's more like

White men going their own way shit posting 24/7 on Anon Babble

White women getting railed by BBC and never going back

Because most MGTOWs realized they need pussy.

Picrel guy was hardcore MGTOW influencer 15 years ago.

The people crying in this thread have just not found a good woman who loves them and who is a great mother to their children. Don't despair because hopefully one day you will find her and will realize the error of your way of thinking.

Because it didn't, check marriage rates or the blackpill on young normies

I went MGTOW and been there for years, I am just quiet about it, no need to make a big noise about it

Because a man on his own is worth nothing; like a horse without a cart. Without a woman and children a man is nothing but an overactive brain that serves to feed an bottomless pit of depression complemented by rumination and alcohol. The world is empty and the family is the only solution.

The core idea of it was solid, because it recognized that the marriage game of the modern era is rigged against men HARD.

Where it failed was the fact that it did not offer any real solution to the problem. It just offered

Lol sir around and do nothing

If the movement alternatively pivoted to, me go their own way to benefit themselves in terms of health, career, education, physical performance, create a male centric space, and the goal is to eventually get married, and turn men that are getting screwed into strong masculine role models with the idea that marriage is a union and fair, and try to restore the idea of a traditional marriage it would have done better.

Haha fuck mgtow that's incel shit

White women getting railed by BBC

Hold up I want that sloppy seconds

Why are white men like this?

Why is the female version aka feminism a norm and worshipped by society?

MGTOW gradually got superseded by the incel "blackpill" ideology, especially after most MGTOW stuff was banned from mainstream platforms. MGTOW was originally founded by divorced men that got screwed over by the family courts, who wanted to warn younger men against getting married and experiencing the same fate. Now that is all well and good, but MGTOW is only relevant if you are a man who is actually capable of attracting a marriageable woman in the first place.

As time went on, increasing numbers of men have found it difficult to even get into relationships with women, and this is where the "blackpill" becomes relevant:

women primarily care about looks

if you weren't born good looking, then you will never find a woman who will genuinely love you

in the past, you could cope by making money and use that as leverage to get a wife, but that is no longer relevant since women can make their own money now and/or just divorce you and take your money in the family courts (MGTOW relevant)

I guess you could say that MGTOW is just a fraction of the overall blackpill ideology.

it didn't.
i had its intended effect of publicizing, the message, "women are a commodity, not a necessity"

which women received loud and clear.
they now understand they aren't the world to men, we can do without and have for millennia.
so if women want to continue being trash, they can, but they wont be chased.

need wives.

i can do everything a woman can do, except give birth, why would i need anything from them if i can do it myself for myself?
for the headaches?
responsibility?
pain?

i'm good, i rather remain alone, the age of woman is over, the age of man is now.

men just don't care anymore

c'est la vie.
getting used and tossed aside has its consequences.
from family to friends to strangers, the game is over, the heavens are closed, no entry.

Because a man on his own is worth nothing

That's a feminist lie, young men are the ones that held up the state through taxes, in fact part of the recent "competency crisis" is because young men are being activately discriminated against to hire women and DEI hires
The only thing women are good for is making babies and looking at the fertility rates they're terrible at it

People realized it’s actually just loser men coping about being sent their own way

Youre indian and hes a meme flag jew/poo.

the age of woman is over, the age of man is now.

Keep coping, women out earn males at the expense of males wages.
So it's a future is female world lmao

Most 'men' are weak, porn addicted pussies with cuckolding fetishes

Our ideas aren't incompatible

Women are a protected class, and men aren't. No one cares about men, so when men tried to do the equivalent of feminism for men, it didn't have the same kind of support.

What the hell support do you need to not pursue women? Women Anonymous meetings?

The reason it doesn't work very well is you fucking see a woman you like.

flop

That's because the movement was mostly divorced men thay were already burned out and used for alimony. Men need to go their own way before they get scammed

fake, that's from reddit

I'm pretty sure I didn't hear MGTOW until after 2010, when the rate flattened out. Just saying.

WMAF > MGTOW
Men want to be loved and have children.

MGTOW was mostly on reddit, it became non-stop memes mocking women and pointing out how lame they are (especially as they hit the wall).

So when they noticed, they complained to reddit jannies and got it banned pretty quickly.

so if women want to continue being trash, they can, but they wont be chased.

Yeah women can never admit to fault or blame but their actions magically change when they are facing resource-loss and they feel it.
That's why suddenly so many of them are trying to pawn themselves off as "trad" now. They see men aren't going to put up with this shitty rap-culture ho behavior if they want a marriage.

Yeah that's how it is all over the internet, women got butthurt from the criticisms, because after years of doing that to men, men just weren't taking it. Incels and sex havers both were dunking on women and women lied and equated this to terrorism and rape so they can get their opponents silenced and keep manipulating men out of resources.

Women crying on tiktok about no relationships

With chads

1000s of videos of women asking where to find men

Chads
These average holes see themselves far, far above their realistic matched.

True. But the crying has a cause. Are they crying about global warming? Are they crying about poor deported maryland men? Are they crying about being oppressed? Or is there some other topic that seems prevalent in the zeitgeist?

It existed as early as 2000~2001. That's when I read and learned about it, however I know it existed a bit before then. It existed before Fathers 4 Justice in the UK, however in the beginning it didn't have a specific mission statement. It was more of an online sharing of tips to prevent and get out of divorce rape.
There was a pretty good long list of things you could do to uno-reverse divorce rape with a few successful cases.
It was born online but was chiefly made up of Australian/UK/US users.

Pro-tip: Incel just means person i don't like.

because it become feminism for man.

man vs woman is a psyop they push online just like left vs right. they want the destruction of the family, because they want you isolated and alone. men need women and women need men

Cool, when can we expect positive change from women?

I talked to a guy who started it in Canada, he killed himself

We know, bro. The average woman considers herself way too good for the average man. We just don't care what they think anymore and the risks are far greater than the rewards.

That picture is why this reality is evil. Duality makes it so good men pair up with bad women and bad men pair up with good women. There's no way to balance it out except with trannies. This is hell.

you need to get your own woman and be a man worth submitting to, and then you will get a submissive woman that does what you want. they have attacked the fabric of "man vs woman" for 50+ years so its all fucked up. if you were a woman, would you really want to date all these retarded loser men who are bitter virgins? of course not. you cannot affect the behavior of ALL of women, thankfully thats not your job, you really just need to worry about the behavior of 1 woman which is your wife which you can influence directly

the current generation of men are being attacked by tranny groomers and the current generation of women are being hypersexualized and groomed into onlyfans. the previous generation of women were convinced that serving their husband/children was slavery and serving a corporation was liberation.

the way forward is
1. discuss the jews who are trying to destroy the family unit
2. recognize the psyop and wake people up to how left vs right, man vs woman, white vs black etc are all psyops meant to distract us and waste our time from the people who really enslave us

pic related is what Anon Babble does to you in regards to your views on women, blacks, etc

Why the WMAF psyop? Nobody who wants a woman actually thinks bug women are preferable.

Men who are willing and capable of going their own way don’t need a fucking support group.

racemixing is one of the most common psyops posted here constantly, its not always WMAF, it can be promoting mixing snow with dirt, indians with whites, etc. take a look at Anon Babble and you'll see how half of it is racemixing. this is on purpose

ANYTHING is good for the jews as long as its white x nonwhite. they want to erase what it means to be a "white person"

I have a woman and we have a child and I'm never going to marry her. I have other legal documents in place that give her certain rights and responsibilities and likewise she has done the same for me. I refuse to allow the state to be involved in our relationship and MGTOW greatly influenced me.

If you think MGTOW is dead then you just don't understand the scope and variations of what it means to MGTOW.

To all the young men out there, don't marry. But you should look for a worthwhile woman because it's hard.

Children are worth it though. Seeing my little daughter of one year crawl as fast as she can when I get home from work and hearing her squeal with delight and the unbounded love in her heart makes all the struggle worth it. Children are the joy of the world.

would you really want to date all these retarded loser men who are bitter virgins?

Those are the fringe minority.
Modern femoids refuse to date anyone lower than 8/10.
The only solution involves rolling back femoids' rights, and this sure as fuck isn't going to happen any time soon.

Men are saying they will be going their own way

Eventually you just never hear of them again

Women keep reporting it's hard for them to find boyfriends

I don't know man, seems like they just eventually truly went their own way.

the masonic diddling into pussy enslavement pipeline is too strong.

only the non-molested are able to avoid the masonic pampered roast-b33f...

movement?
also

1pbtid

remember to sage kids, don't make their work easier than it already is. Of course that's assuming any of you aren't bots or shills...

kek, yesterday my baldness reflected the lights that is placed above my mirror and come to me that romance is only for the young, healthy and beautiful, just imagine that cinematographic scene were you are accompanying your date home and the moon light shines a beacon of light from your forehead...

that was my thought, also I was naked which also destroyed all illusions of romanticism...

even the idea of "giving them rights" never made sense in the first place, it was an attack on humanity. women should not get a vote on things like war when they do not get drafted, women do not belong in the workforce but the jews wanted an extra 50% population of slaves. you are blaming essentially young girls for being tricked by society and misled down a satanic and evil path that benefits nobody except the destruction of humanity. its not their fault. all we can do is lament that the jews did this to us and we're too far along to really have caught it happening. i am just here to talk about the psyop behind man vs woman instead of focus on "what women need to do better". at the end of the day, its about what we men must do in order to make our lives better

Because it's niggers on this pic. The fuckers have 70% out of wedlock birth rate. The black fathers just go their own way.

It's in full swing. It's the norm now. People have completely excepted it.

It came under attack because it represented a massive threat to tptb. Their whole intent was to use women as a weapon against us. Shutting them out destroyed decades of work and trillions of dollars of investment.

its not their fault

It is, and they must take accountability for their retardation.

It's still going. It is a personal choice for men to disregard the philosophy and go back to the plantation.

What do you mean flop? MGTOW is stronger than ever, it's just not getting any attention.

That may be true, but that’s not possible anymore.

They all became gooners actually. You know how OF sluts make a lot of money? These guys.

do YOU take responsibility for YOUR own brainwashing? do YOU realize all the things YOU'VE been tricked about? who did 9/11? who did ww1 and ww2? who killed JFK? is our earth orbiting the sun right now? do nuclear bombs exist?

This is definitely true. Families — in a non zog environment — are edifying for men. But in the absence of a healthy family dynamic, men are MUCH better off on their own. Until and unless human dignity is restored to men, men should eschew women and family. As it stands, the institution is toxic to men.

This is the truth. It saved me too, and while I did not get a child, I also did not get divorce raped and imprisoned. Be safe, and raise your daughter to think critically.

Isn't like the majority of young men incels now?

do YOU take responsibility for YOUR own brainwashing?

Of course, I snapped out of it. Now it's femoids' turn.
If they're not going to do it, they can fuck right off.

Tell that to women.

Flop? Movement? OP take your pills please.

they are stupid, they are women, they literally do not operate intellectually on the same level as you (assuming you are a male), you have to get your own and teach her, instruct her what a man desires (to be respected), how to show respect, you have to literally mold them into the perfect wife, thats your own path forward, you cant sit there and be aggressive against half the people on earth

That’s where you’re wrong. You’ll learn.

There has never been a movement. It was never more than a doomed attempt to copy that loser women movement "feminism". Men are simply not as delusional as women, no amount of bullshitting can convince them that losers are actually empowered supermen.

Women are allowed movements. Men aren't allowed to have any movement lest they be called dangerous incels

It didn't flop, it was successful. No "movement" of that kind can be around forever, they're all fads. Same as how PUA was a fad. Inceldom is also a fad in the long run, maybe it'll morph into something else as people say mgtow morphed into (or got consumed by) inceldom.

There's never been a huge problem with mgtow, it's just - what's the point of the movement? Like what's the endgame? The endgame is being 60+, alone and enjoying life without women and kids? Okay, like it's not a crime, but there's also no future civilization with that philosophy. Didn't monks and others choose a life without women?

The irony is, of course, that if you are actually secure in how you live your life you wouldn't need this mgtow label to define you and to be like "hey look at all us guys, we're all perfectly happy, now what?".

Inceldom doesn't of course claim happiness but they're all just different flabours and spinoffs of distraction and a kind of culty thing to follow, as the kids these days say "cope" for people who haven't gotten their lives together romantically and perhaps never will. You're better off just trying to do the romantic thing and if it doesn't work out - don't be too hard on yourself, it's not the only thing in life and it also may not be too late (was going to say never too late but if you're in a nursing home or some shit probably it is too late then).

What you're describing is absolutely impossible to do in the west. It's the equivalent of trying to persuade a monkey with a grenade to not pull the pin.
The hostile state is always on the femoids' side. Even if you "mold" her, the poison is already there and not going anywhere, and you are extremely likely to get divorce raped.
It's an unsubstantiated risk.
Femoids are stupid animals, sure, but the state elevates them to men's level, and until they are back to being property, it's entirely on them to stop being insufferable cunts.

you cant sit there and be aggressive against half the people on earth

Funny, that's exactly what femoids do.

1pbtid
Damage control

Its evolved to "incel" and "chud" and "gamer".

The biggest cashcow is getting trapped by a woman. Jews know this and have made women have ZERO values. its easier to get a woman now more than ever and men arent biting because women are insufferable

Because it only works for the men that have the option to fuck women whenever they want i.e. rich or attractive or rich AND attractive men. It's easy to sit there and say "LOL FUCK MARRIAGE I'M NOT GONNA GET DIVORCE RAPED" when you're bang chicks at any time. When you're an average guy and say "FUCK COMMITMENT I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMED", it just means you end up alone forever with crumbs of pussy here and there. A movement that tells men to ignore women entirely will never pop off with the masses because innately we all want sex.

cause men cant live without pussy, its a reality, all this "disregard wenches, acquire currency" cope has pussy as an ultimate goal, or what, are we all self improving to ultimately fuck dudes? even so, at some point you realize you have made yourself worthy for someone(s)

Because any men who can't/won't please women cause a visceral disgust in most of the population.
It's why small penis and "you can't get laid" insults are effective.

because prostitutions is illegal in the US and men cant do without sex

No, it's not that men don't care anymore. It's not like there are NO men out there that would be willing to date these women. The reason why they're crying is because essentially this Women only care that the man THEY WANT doesn't want them. Women's collective standards have skyrocketed and there's very few men who actually live up to their unrealistic standard. These few men are absolutely feasting, getting laid left and right, and average, run of the mill men are treated like they're the worst option available.

Post your tits, or get the fuck out.