Creates pain and suffering

Can you prove that the Earth wasn't created last Thursday with everything in its place to look like it's been going on for billions of years? Aww you can't? Well I guess everything was created last Thursday then.

That's Yahu, not Jesus's Father

and i'm not talking about cutting your dick off

Oh you mean like your cults circumcision?

Does anyone irl ever tell you how retarded you actually sound

everyone skirting around pain and suffering

there is zero excuse for creating it

Christians say retarded shit like this and can't see how fucking idiotic their religion has made them

The Dao is not a god

If thats what you are into, wouldn't hurt me. Come to Christ, get baptized.

God is only about fucking your life up

remember that time you ate a piece of candy as a kid? all by yourself? and no one was bothering you? and you liked it?

there's your joy, faggot

suck it up

If God has a creator then His creator would be God. For God to have a creator is for God to be ungodly.

Ascended Super Saiyan Christian here.
Shorthand answer is: God knows better than you.
Longer version is: He's omniscient and timeless, you're just human and restricted to a very limited view of time and space.
Any criticism of his morality/actions/inactions by you is you choosing to be wrong.
Moreover, it's also choosing to suffer, since his will always be done and if you don't agree with it, you are choosing to not get what you want.

t. Penis skin cut of in accordance with ancient Jewish mythical text.

Christcucks deserve to be made fun of for being cucked faggots who extend kindness even to literal raping murderers who kill their families and race.

It's not retarded. The original form of humanity was White. Those that are White today are from bloodlines that did not assist Nimrod.

what are you religious beliefs, anon?

Exactly. To assert an unfalsifiable claim is absurd. The only rational position is to be agnostic.

this deformed man thanks God for life while you, a human who has non-deformed body hates God for creating life. your hatred of God is unjustified because your unjust yourself and because of the faith of some people who have been dealt with worse hand than yours.

I'll double down with this theory based on the fact that Whites are unique to every single species on this planet. Why are we so different? Because we remain uncursed.

Because I love God.

Cheers Jesus for shining the holy quads down on my statement.

>Creates Indians

??
Is that a bad thing now?

Yes.

Because he invented AIDS as a punishment for being gay. And also something something morality doesn't exist something muh consequences.

just err on the "cautious" side

ignore anything else that might give any more clues

as long as you don't sacrifice children to demons like nigger-jews I don't think God could be TOO angry

but I don't speak for Him either

why do you pray to him?

They don't kinda don't? Sometimes they pray to Father, change schedule to Son. Maybe next week to Mary. Then change to bird. Then to Saint whoever. Then another statue. Then Paintings. Then etc. etc.

There are two assertions here you must prove;

1) That reality must have been made by an intentional intelligence
2) That the intelligence takes the form of your specific religion (Christianity). Why do you subscribe to Christianity and not any of the other countless religions?

Because he invented AIDS as a punishment for being gay

God is Fauci

anon...

To be fair to God, he also invented the prostate so you and your life partner can live in sin and give each other sissy gasms.

How?

LOL

In what other sphere of thinking would you accept a conclusion you cannot possibly know to be true? Why do religious people view faith as a virtue?

Agnostic with a heavy atheist lean. I can't rule it out but I'm 99% certain no God exists.
I was raised Christian. I saw my first tranny at a church, he was in fishnets around children.
You guys are cucked and use "kindness" to encourage your children to be castrated and replaced by immigrants.

Look the idea that everything just happened for no reason and we're some unique entity floating in the vastness of empty lonely space is just retarded. It's more likely that there is no outer space at all and what you see here is all that actually even exists.

There is more of THIS than they are telling us though.

You are Christian primary by virtue of random chance and geographical bias. If you were born in Afghanistan you would almost certainly be Muslim, and just as sure in your thinking. Does this demonstrate to you why faith is an unreliable path to the truth?

Hey I actually have an answer for that one.
God is Shcrodinger's Cat.
Ain't nobody proving shit or disproving shit due to omnipotence.
So you can equally choose to foster belief or disbelief.
Disbelief gets you nothing; belief can get you everything.
So who would choose to not believe and get nothing? It's just a bad decision put in that context.

I agree existence is absurd and crazy. Why is "we don't know" not a good enough and reasonable position?

Hate is liberation, pray for annihilation.

i'm thankful to God for my mom, the people who care about me, for the consciousness to become familiar with God's existence because He is so good and loving , and especially for my LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST for dying for me when i was blaspheming His good name and when i was persecuting the people who love Him.

I'm a christian because I want to be a God. But then I realized that it is better to worship a God than be a God.

i can't really understand why anyone would deny the existence of God; when it's almost

ridiculously easy

to find the truth about certain details about

WHO

is truly evil

and i get

don't reference religious books as evidence

but it's important to do that when it comes to

jews vs Christians

and this is because

if the old testament has some interesting info that implicates ancient hebrews in profane kikery

and modern jews, whom claim to be their descendents, still engage in this ancient kike profanity

then it basically means the bible is true

in at least one form anyway

but EVEN if you'd prefer just historical context

the proof is there too

You keep focusing on penis.. definitely a faggot kike. Any tips yet?

Technically Christianity makes you a god.
A son of God; not the Son of God.
But still, omnipotence and omniscience by proxy plus immortality and peace is a pretty sweet deal.

ure a jew and posting in different threads today with your aussie flag. I recommend switching to memeflags once in a while.

Technically Christianity makes you a god.

horse shit

prove it

Creates

This is called Pascals wager. As I pointed out previously, how then, can you tell you are following the tenants of the true God? Perhaps some random God that people in a rainforest in Tanzania worship created the world. And by virtue of not participating in their sacrifices and dances you will be tortured eventually. Essentially what I am saying is this argument can be valid suggesting there is value in chancing belief in a God, but not any specific God.

bad thing happen mean God not real

ow then, can you tell you are following the tenants of the true God?

how then

can u tell

he, or anyone, isn't?

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

No offense, but how could a torture sign be a God sign?

wanting to be like God in His selfless and holy nature is good

selfishly wanting to be like God in power and authority over of others is evil (lucifer)

the former requires self-denial and self-sacrifice while the latter is motivated by our selfish desire which is sin or by our sinful ego

You brought it up first mate :D

This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.

here's a quote

maybe i made it up

maybe i didn't

guess we'll never know since

(((memeflags)))

don't cite sources

yaaaaawwn

Heh.

Exactly. We cannot know. This is my position; agnosticism.

If you decide to believe in an all powerful God, all religions and indeed ideas came from him by action or inaction.
Therefore, all religions are meant to lead you to understand him.
Christianity just happens to be the simplest and most popular and most culturally appropriate.
If we were ancient Greeks, God would present as Zeus.

Could you please say the full name of the Christian Lord and Saviour?

Jesus is God, and He willingly suffer the death of the cross so we could be saved from the consequence of our evil. if Jesus hadn't done this then we wouldn't have a justification for our innocence.

the cross symbolizes God's way which is the opposite of man's/world's way.

the cross looks like an upside-down sword.

Explain this faggot, i'm Christian, still got my forejacket and am baptized.. i am saved by the blood of Jesus Christ.. are you?

i'd like to see him do that too

psalm 82:6, the Bible.
You coulda just looked it up.

There's a natural barrier to entry, call it a filter or a cipher if you will. A natural man can't do it.
You need God to give you wisdom.
So there's no fear of some power hungry retard making it.

But the teachings of different religions directly conflict with each other.

Absolute Power above All. That's what it mean to be a GOD to me.

sins of the father

lol that just evokes the same fucking question

psalm 82:6, the Bible.

(((memeflag)))

"quotes" a verse

too scared to post it

then explain how it's even relevant to their arguement

so you have nothing

Different cultures; different times.
Christianity itself has practices not done from the OT as part of it.
God is big dude.

Um yeah, you get omnipotence and omniscience from God if God has your back.

Pslam 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

LOL

You are lacking a covenant with God. You are disobeying his command. Do you just randomly ignore things he demands based on your own personal preference? Get to snipping!

You are lacking a covenant with God

Kike. I know which covenant i'm in.

The Bible clarifies that circumcision of the heart is what counts.
Dick skin snipping got phased out.
Doesn't matter if you do it or not.

Kind of like paganism, which it actually is, because christianity evolved in Rome.
It probably releases a victim/pain chemical in brain, hence feeling of being close to "something", "belongingness".

That's your religion.

Why dont you admit you are jewish by heritage?
Honesty is a requirement for honest, fruitful discussion.

So you admit we both cannot know that a God exists, AND, even if we assume one does, we have no way of verifying which Theistic dogma he belongs to. Common man, this is not a sturdy foundation for belief at all. I could posit the existence of ANYTHING from this logic.

As appose to yours where you smear cow shit all over yourself, atleast i know how to wipe my ass.. not shit in the river and basic hygiene. You don't get to preach to me pagan.

Yes, we cannot know God exists.
But if he does, we can safely assume that everything in the world is intentional, including every religion.
Since Christianity is the easiest and worships an all powerful God, it's the one I recommend.

I don't like Judaism either. Fuck the talmud, fuck the torah and fuck israel.

creates this, creates that

says who?

l-le wrongdoer.....

Why do you try to spit on the face of your own Creator?
Don't you know you'll always fail?
Don't you know it will be very damaging for you?

But why attack Christianity, it build the west whether you like it or not.

That's race problem actually.

It's boring to worship yourself. It is better to push someone you love above yourself.

this is the best you got?

what about the part where kikes repeatedly admit to sacrificing their children to demons and being told not to then getting fucked up for it?

let's talk about that part

I didnt ask if you liked it, I said admit you are jewish by heritage.
You can still say "I do no longer participate, I dont consider myself jewish today".
But you wont. You will dodge and dodge and obfuscate and attack others.
But you will never be honest.
Why?

Right, and you're a fuckin' idiot.
Fix yourself. Christ is King.

is the easiest

According to which sample set of data?

worships an all powerful God

Almost every religion in existence does the same

Your belief in this cult is irrational and based on an emotional want rather than logic.

God is pretty good for that.
It also leads to you getting more blessed regardless of circumstances because you want what God wants, not what you naturally want.

Why? Who cares?
It doesn't effect my life and it might not have even literally happened.
It could just be a parable.
You can skip all that stuff.

I'm not jewish by heritage either.

10 commandmends+believe in Jesus.
Takes zero effort.
My belief is fully supported by logic.
Why would I choose to believe and nothing and receive nothing when I could choose to believe in God and have God?
That would just make me unhappy, even if God objectively never was.

Christianity is functional because white people are holding onto it.

I fully agree that religion can serve an important social utility; that of supplying the masses with an extremely simple and essay to comprehend principle of metaphysics and some basic tenants on how to behave. The pragmatics of religious thought is a separate discussion though, I am talking about the objective truth of these thought systems. Your comment also seems to imply that Western civilization is some holy perfect entity.

Thats a lie and you know it, Christianity has been sustainable and so widespread because Christ is King.

Your comment also seems to imply that Western civilization is some holy perfect entity.

Nothing is perfect except Jesus Christ the King, everything else you said is just babble.

Takes zero effort

As I said, in comparison to which other sets of belief. What sample are you using to make this assessment. Additionally, if following the ten commandments "takes zero effort", why is everyone not perfect. Instead every human alive falls into "sin" repeatedly throughout our life.

That would just make me unhappy

Then you must admit you do not care about the accuracy of your belief, rather its utility in making the world make sense to you. That is fine if you choose to do so.

My guy....objective truth doesn't exist for humans.
You got your subjective truth and that's it.
Objective truth is something we just have to approximate as a cope.
It doesn't matter what the objective truth is because it's unknowable.

everything else you said is just babble

Look, I appreciate English is probably not your first language but what I said makes perfect sense. Did you not just say before that Christian thought shaped Western civilization? I just agreed with you.

The Bible teaches how to be perfect, it's kind of advanced stuff, not relevant to the convo.
But really most people don't have problems not stealing, murdering, etc. It's bare minimum effort.
Compare that to other religions where you MUST achieve enlightenment or risk hell/reincarnation or you MUST do this ritual then that pilgrimage then this other thing and maybe just maybe you'll make it.
Christianity is a lot simpler and more realistic.

As for accuracy, I already addressed that in another reply to you. But shorthand: no one knows, there is no accuracy.

I don't argue with retards that haven't figured it out, i'll be glad to help, but let's be honest you need Jesus Christ and not me.

We were not made by the Demiurge. We are the children of Brahma

I believe that this whole reality is a creation from my desire to live with God for Eternity.
The One who granted it is God.
The One who asked for it is Me.

Then say the full name of who Christians call their Lord and Saviour.

elon musk is rich, smart and attractive yet he still doesn't believe in God because he doesn't want to. his preference doesn't like believing in God despite living like a king in this world. our faith in God is not dependent on our circumstances in the world but on our preference. you still wouldn't believe in God if you were rich and attractive in this world because of your preference.

Why? Who cares?

lel, you sorry ass scumbag

Yaldabaoth

yeah sure why not.

how does what a bunch of bronze age people did effect my life at all?
I'm a Christian.
I follow Christ.

elon musk is rich, smart and attractive yet he still doesn't believe in God because he doesn't want to.

And theres where you fucked yourself, why would you think give a shit what some rich guy thinks?.. Christ is king, thats all that matters.. i hope you figure it out.

salvation is dependent on our preference for God and our preference for good and evil

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Sure, purely semantically you can make this claim, we can not be 100% certain of things. Hence why scientific thought is the best way forwards. In other words, inductive reasoning. We observe phenomena, then, from these results, make educated guesses.

Drop thing

Falls to ground

Repeat

Happens every time

From this we can be 99% certain that each time we drop a thing, it will fall until acted upon by a subsequent force. Where religion fails is the fact it goes by DEDUCTIVE reasoning. (ie. Form conclusion before evidence, then attempt to find things to justify it). You SAY we cannot know things, but you obey the laws of physics, why? Because they can be demonstrated to be true. If not, why not jump off a skyscraper? You cannot know for certain you will not float instead of falling? But of course you will not, because your base of knowledge has demonstrated a certain pattern of physical properties based on observation.

He made perfect earth, perfect animals, two perfect white humans and gave them freedom of will. Everything else comes from those 2 humans misusing their freedom of will, falling away from God. Thats it, everything bad you see - is not created by the Lord, is a degeneration by the fallen humans. God - is the source of Love, Life and Truth, cause by his own words he is the Truth and the Life, humans fall further away from Him - there is more death and suffering, as the consequence of less Love, Life and Truth.

how does what a bunch of bronze age people did effect my life at all?

I'm a Christian.

I follow Christ.

prove it, gay memeflag

salvation is dependent on our preference for God and our preference for good and evil

Correct.

your

*our

An omnipotent omniscient entity could do any number of crazy things and be seen by no one.
Completely undetectable to science.
The fact that science works or that gravity exists does not disprove God, it proves gravity and science.

freedom of will

But God, as the creator of the universe, a perfect omnipotent all knowing entity, would be able to see the outcome of his creation. Unless you are saying cannot, in which case God can make mistakes. Therefore he is not perfect and all knowing, therefore he cannot fulfill the conditions for God. Free will is not a possibility through the Christian conception of God.

Why the fuck are you refusing to the say the full name of the Christian Lord and Savior, you fucking kike?

I'm not gay, the rainbow is an old Christian symbol representative of God's covenant with the whole earth.
It better represents me than the national flag which I don't relate to, being part of God's kingdom not earth's.
Furthermore, the existing Deus Vult one is cringe.

creates faggots

proclaims faggotry to be a sin

what did He mean by this?

You missed the point. It was regarding epistemology (the philosophical study of how we can know things). Your argument was we cannot know anything to be true, I demonstrated your actions prove otherwise.

Whatever he meant it was correct because he's omniscient.
It's my opinion that it was to enforce cultural norms and prevent disease and sexual immorality.
But he low key made butt sex feel great for fags too.

the rainbow is an old Christian symbol representative of God's covenant with the whole earth.

Never to flood the earth again, next time it'll be by fire. Get right with the Lord everyone.

Jewsus Christkike

Why are you refusing to name the Christian Lord and Saviour?

We can not know if God is true or untrue.
We can believe God is true or untrue and that belief is a choice. Either way is equally supported by reality, but one grants you nothing.

Sorry, I'm juggling arguments with several different people at once, give me a break. I'm fairly sure people refer to him as YHWH. Or some Christians seem to believe it is Jesus for some reasons.

Lead is the proof that if a god exist, it's fucking malicious

I'm gonna create a naturally occurring metal that is extremely easy to work with, malleable and can be used in most aspect of daily life.

But, haha, it's actually poisonous to humans, but not in a noticeable way, but rather a slow and insidious manner so that by the time people know, they will have been using it for centuries and even built their water system out of it.

The Bible is a giant legal document but why you gotta expose God's business like that to the normies.

YOU KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES. So, logically, if we cannot know, it is absurd to assert it is true! Correct? You can believe, but you must admit you have no rational basis for your belief.

to justify everyone in their eternal destiny because God is just or for everyone to earn their merit

Because every soul deserves salvation and truth, even the wicked.

Again, omniscient and you're not.
Could be serving a greater good in all kinds of crazy ways we could argue about, but we don't need to.
He's omniscient; you're not.

Eternal destiny

This directly implies foreknowledge of events on the part of the entity that set the events in motion. Therefore every single action has sprung forth from God, therefore free will is impossible.

That's a line of arguing only a 80IQ brain dead retard could agree with. Go be a retarded nigger somewhere else.

Christianity could be one of the best ideology that could create a great civilization, the western civilization.
that still doesn't mean it's the truth.

you're thinking of the demiurge, sweetie

I have anecdotal subjective evidence that does not scientifically prove God as well as numerous real life psychological boosts from said "blessings".
What more do I need? My belief comports with reality 100%, it helps me, it can't be disproven.

no one argues against lawful imprisonment and punishment because everyone subconsciously knows that it's a fair system

Sure. I think we have reached the end of our discussion, we value fundamentally different things. If you wish to believe in this faith it is up to you. I wish you the best.

Really?
So he knows everything from the beginning of time to the end.
And you know what you've learned since you were born.
And you don't see how it might be a bit presumptuous of you to think you know better than him?

Well hold on there chief.
What do you get out of disbelief?

Comon, don't you have more to say and prove?

Poopdick feels good for faggots because taking a shit has to feel good as a biological incentive not to hold shit in until you're completely clogged. God never intended faggotry to be a thing, he didn't think "imma make buggery feel good". Faggots are literally just emulating the process of shitting for sexual pleasure, which is fucking disgusting and mentally ill behavior. Hence the term "poopdick" is appropriate both as a name for the process and the end result.

the purpose is so that the life of good people can be documented and recorded in the Book of Life, and also so that justice can have justification and a receipt for the damnation of the wicked or the guilty people.

The Deus Vult flag represents my God more.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Yeah, that's what I said here - Although you would have a hard case proving it DOES indeed create the optimal civilization, but that is a different debate.

Not with that specific user. We have gone around in circles multiple times. If he values subjective experience and faith over objectivity and observation there is nothing more I can say to him. We value different things and being from differing axioms.

Based canadian

I go Radical Acceptance on shit like this and just handwave it.
God lets faggots exist and we're supposed to love them, I don't need more info than that.

I just don't like connotation that we need to enact God's will for him like crusaders.
He's omnipotent.
His will is always done.

All you have to do is say is full name.
You refused to do so 6 times, dodging every time.

You are a jew.

How then, do you account for all of the suffering that befalls good people? Whatever definition of "good" you are using here. Do you good faithful Christians not meet horrible deaths at the hands of injustice? Get cancer? Suffer injustice?

Christianity is like a plateform.

I don't know what it is then. I already said what I thought it was; Yahweh / YHWH

We have gone around in circles multiple times

Because theres no understanding, and there prolly never will be.. But i hope and pray to God.
Christ is King, and his abillities are unlimited.

just suffering = consequence of sin
unjust suffering = justification for an eternal reward

1Pet 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
1Pet 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1Pet 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Pet 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
1Pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pet 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

God lets faggots exist and we're supposed to love them

Bro God made AIDS specifically to torment faggots. We're definitely NOT supposed to love them. I think AIDS is a clear message to the rest of humanity that we're supposed to treat faggots as the biohazard that they are.

Nobody knows shit old son. YOU go out and organize a philosophy that helps poor humans explain the unexplainable...and then sit back while half a world agrees with you and adopts your ideas. You COULD attempt this. But you wouldn't make it past the end of your own street before people told you to get the fuck out of their face. So it looks very much like you're just being a silly little bitch whining on the internet about one of the biggest and most successful organizations of all time. You stepped up to the plate I guess and got utterly crushed.

Like I said to the other guy, we differ in our values. If this is what you value and it brings you peace, then good for you. I just cannot find a reasonable way for me to accept it.

Naw

if you love me follow my commandments

love your enemy

That means you should love faggots you don't know because you love even your worst enemies.
That's how you get that perfect level son of God swag.
It leads to inner peace and big dick blessings and all that jazz, already done it, it works, Jesus wasn't joking.

Likewise. Hope you find peace and tranquility.

thank you

unjust suffering = justification for an eternal reward

This is a fucking horrible idea. God tortures us with the justification he will subsequently remove us to a better place? What the fuck? Would you burn your childs arm on a stove with the justification you will give him ice cream after?

love your enemy

You don't get it. Faggots aren't an "enemy". They're a biohazard. They're essentially not human beings as far as God is concerned. They're like plague carrying rats that must be exterminated. That's what AIDS was meant to be. An extermination. We just ruined it with medicine.

Further still, your idea of "unjust suffering" suggests I can be a good faithful Christian and STILL SUFFER? So what is the point of abiding by his commands if he may just decide to torture me anyway?????

Atheism doesn't mean what you think it means. There are only two positions, theist and atheist. You either believe in a god or you don't. Agnostics are simply atheists who don't understand what the word means.

Nope.
It's chastisement from God, which is a blessing.
Paraphrasing a bit here but basically:
If God spanks you, he's your Father.
If God ignores you, you're a bastard.

Creates entity sick

Curses entity to eternal torture because he made the entity faulty

You are an evil cunt and so is your concept of God.

There you go imposing your will over God's like a normie.
He's omnipotent.
If he didn't want the meds to work; they wouldn't.
It's not as simple as our human brains need it to be to stick to the broad knowledge that he's perfect and you're good.
Seriously

implying lab coats can usurp God's wrath

The eternal reward is gay as fuck btw. Spending eternity on God's lap inside a bunch of gay ass clouds with gay ass harp music playing in the background? Sounds gay and boring as fuck. I mean eternal bliss sounds cool until you realize that's basically just you spending eternity high on heroin.

Wrong. You cannot force someone into a decision, even if the decision is in the format of a binary. We cannot prove a God exists, while we can also not prove that one does not. Therefore the ONLY rational position is to abdicate and say; "thus far, we do not know".

The world exists to entertain God. There is no point in creation otherwise.

It's not that, you can get a taste while you're alive with the advanced stuff. Bible's a grimoire.
It's enlightenment, you literally can't suffer because everything is perfect.
That's while you're alive.
In Heaven it's probably nicer.
It feels good, like being divine royalty or something.

I pray to him because i'm none of those animals

we we we

You are not Me. To say that I do not know God will be nothing but a lie.

Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “’Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.”

-Revelation 4:8

I'm going to be stuck with eternal consciousness forever among eye bird angels infinitely chanting to God. Just give me nothing instead kek.

i believe in God because i enjoy believe in Him or my preference leads me to God and you don't believe in God because you don't want to and you enjoy living the life that doesn't have God in it which is why you try so hard to justify your unbelief and your rejection of God. live and let live, anons.

you literally can't suffer because everything is perfect

Light yourself on fire right now with the thought of Gods love in mind, report back on that pain part.

I think we exist to find God, that's the whole point of sapience.
You realize we waste 80% of our calories on thinking?
We'd be way more efficient as retards or amaebos or whatever.
I think it's a rat maze, we're the rats, and only a few of us find the cheese before we die.

I'm guessing you're a cup's half empty kind of person. Inb4 you to try to convince me to be as miserable as you.

Do you believe in a god, yes or no? Atheism literally means "without a belief in god(s)." You either believe or you don't. Belief in god and knowledge of god's existence are two different things. Most atheists are agnostic atheists.

The inability to abstract outside of your own experience and bias (to be OBJECTIVE) is an almost direct indicator of low intelligence and capacity for abstract thought.

The majority of men... are not capable of thinking, but only of believing, and... are not accessible to reason, but only to authority.

-Arthur Schopenhauer

When I experience pain, I don't suffer.
I experience the perfect amount of pain for that moment as determined by God and am thankful.
If I were to light myself on fire randomly, that wouldn't be God's plan for me, unless I actually did it, in which case it would be, but I won't, so it isn't.
But next time I stub my toe I'll smile.

Faggots and how much you bully them are a test of your worth as one of His creations. Not all of God's creation are created equal. That's why He created animals. They're meant to die for human beings. Faggots are meant to die of AIDS as a lesson to sexual deviants that buggery is a death sentence. Basically, if you don't bully faggots daily you're not going to heaven.

the jews are the God

Fucking grim.

Well, duh. You will never be a chess grand Master. Because you are lacking.

LOL
what a maroon
you can't be objective, you have a subjective experience, you can only approximate objectivity, it's not real brainlet.

We cannot know, so I say I do not know. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is a false dichotomy you are presenting.

Do you believe in X or Y

"I do not possess the precise information to make a judgement"

No! You must choose one!

In Heaven it's probably nicer.

Nigger I don't give a FUCK about heaven and worshipping God for eternity, I want to explore the universe as a non corporeal entity flying around at superluminous speeds. If the only two options are eternal god worship or eternal suffering then God is a fucking nigger and he's not benevolent, because a benevolent omnipotent and omniscient God should accommodate ALL your desires upon your death.

Where in my statement did I say we possess the capacity for ultimate objectivity? It is an ideal.

you can only approximate objectivity

Yes, exactly. This should be the aim of everyone.

Christianity has perhaps the gayest form of afterlife imaginable.

There is no reason for God to grant your request when you hate God.

You are unironically retarded. Since you are reluctant to answer, that means you don't actually believe in a god and are unwilling to answer.

You are severely underestimating the kind of party an omniscient omnipotent being could throw.
Especially one who knows you better than you know yourself.

Why? So I can lie to myself and convince myself I know truths others deny?
That's how you turn schizo broheim.

Only because you perceived God as a gay male dude.

God doesn't grant your request even if you love him lmao. The christian heaven isn't a place where you have all your requests granted.

Free will is not a possibility through the Christian conception of God.

It is, but there is ultimately only one choice that matters - you get to decide to be with God or not.

But God, as the creator of the universe, a perfect omnipotent all knowing entity, would be able to see the outcome of his creation.

He did, hence the whole thing with the Son (Word) becoming flesh to rectify Adams mistake, to re-establish humanity's lost connection to God, to pay its debt to justice.

There is a famous icon called "Trinity" by Rublev, it depicts the council that is held between Father, Son and Holy Spirit that is happening somewhere before the Creation, there is a chalice between them and inside it - blood, the lambs head, representation of the Christs sacrifice. Father blesses the cup, the Son accepts it.

There, before the beginning of time, God knew, if a Man is to be created, He is to fall, and Son would have to redeem him, Son would have to bear the Cup. It was all decided. Circle is now complete.

You do not know God. Shut up.

Remind me again, Christians of Anon Babble, why do you pray to him?

Mostly for the lulz.

Petty jealous God

Sounds an awful lot like this "perfect being" possesses many of the unique flaws humans possess as a result of our animalistic circuitry.

The Christian god is 100% male retard. The fact that he created another dude to worship him indicates closeted homosexuality.

That's the trick to true happiness.
You abandon what you think you want and want what God wants.
Because God is never going to give you what you want if it's not what he wants.
So as a result, you suffer, wanting things you can't have.
When you could have 100% of the things you want by wanting what God wants.

Show me which part of the holy text indicates you will have your wishes granted once you reach heaven.

The Christian is formless. God is omnipotence. God can be whatever God want.

You are correct, I neither believe in Gods existence nor deny Gods existence. The very definition of neutrality.

If a person or country adopts a neutral position or remains neutral, they do not support anyone in a disagreement, war, or contest.

Naw, in Christian theology women are just subhuman.
They're basically there to shut up and have nuts busted in them.
And they like it.
Because that's how God made them.

When death and evil entered the world, it necessitated that all future generations be cursed in this way in order that they have the capacity to resort to an equal amount of evil in order for good to stand any form of a fighting chance. The fact that we use our divinely sanctioned lethal power for evil instead of good is completely our fault.

god literally created the cancerous subhuman jews and christians want me to pray and give my life to god

formless = not female = gay
thanks for playing

Free will is possible

God did know

It was all decided

You are simply contradicting yourself anon

The funny thing was after the war the jews went and banned Hermann Wieland's major work all the way through the reat of the 20th century & into the 2010's.
Whether Adolf Hitler read it himself idk but I am going to guess probably as he read a lot.
Atlantis, Edda & Bible.
"200,000 Years of Germanic World Culture and the Secrets of the Holy Scriptures" The first ever English translation of Hermann Wieland's epic retelling of the esoteric history of Atlantis and the truth about ancient Aryan religion. Banned and destroyed by the Allied forces following World War II, this cornerstone work of the ages has remained hidden to the Anglophone until now. Going beyond the saga of Atlantis, Wieland goes further into the darkened depths of history to reveal how the true religion and heritage of the Aryan race has been falsified and stolen from us for thousands of years. Atlantis, Edda & Bible not only exposes the forces behind this concerted effort to destroy the Aryan peoples but also ultimately reveals the secret and hidden message of the Holy Bible itself.

Then that makes you an atheist. Belief and knowledge aren't the same thing. Not believing in a god doesn't mean that you know there is no god. It just means you're not convinced by the arguments or evidence.

Formless = can be whatever I want.
Like an AI.

God created Good and Evil

Yes he did. Its your job to figure out why and which team to choose.

That's a self defeating argument, because if you can't simultaneously be omniscient while also self-limiting that omniscience in some esoteric way that allows for free will, you aren't omnipotent and therefore cannot possibly be the capital-G God. The very definition of omnipotence is that da rools don't apply to you.

Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

How does God knowing change the fact that he still leaves you with a choice to accept Him or to refuse him. There is no contradiction, you just misunderstanding the Christian understanding of freedom of will.

mentions child sacrifice

jew gets super defensive

lol

Omnipotent power doesn't mean you can create paradoxes that objectively have no explanation.
God's very logically consistent, it's just a matter of digging and thinking.

If you think right now you are spinning round on a rocky ball of water in a vacuum then you are fundamentally scientifically illiterate. I say that puts at immediate disadvantage when attempting to present a take on metaphysics too as well as physics. Nigger, Heil Hitler.

Then that makes you an atheist

No! What part of neutrality do you not comprehend? If a country is neutral in a conflict between two other nations which side do they take? Neither.

That doctrine which, professing ignorance, neither asserts nor denies.

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne

Because God knowing before the fact of everything coming to be, in tandem with the fact he "programmed" (for lack of a better term), the mechanics of everything in existence, means he KNOWS beforehand everything that will happen. He KNEW when he created Satan he would turn away from him and corrupt Eve. He KNEW that humans were susceptible in the first place to being coerced. He KNEW about every bit of human suffering to come and did nothing to prevent it. Indeed he is the primary CAUSE of it. Therefore God cannot be loving.

Woah, that's huge.
I hadn't seen that one before.
Check this out.

26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star.

You cannot both have ultimate knowledge and the capacity for the unknown. They are in direct contradiction.

he still leaves you with a choice to accept Him or to refuse him

It's an illusion of choice. Because if you don't accept him then you go to hell.

It's an ultimatum

Outer space is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, you gasbag.
It's fake and gay.
The psyop is from cradle to grave.
Get with it.
Nigger, Heil Hitler.

God's very logically consistent

Not really. His blunders are very apparent

Think bigger.
I got stuck there for a minute too.

0 blunders, it was all intentional.

Heaven is literally eternal bliss, only absolute retards would deny the choose of going to Heaven which is why they deserve to be eternally punished for being retarded

To make you seethe :-)

Outer space is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics

No, the second law of thermodynamics is not violated in outer space. The second law states that the total entropy of an isolated system can only increase or remain constant. While entropy might seem like disorder, it also refers to the dispersal of energy. Outer space, while vast and seemingly disordered, is also a system where energy is constantly being dispersed, and the total entropy is increasing, not decreasing.

I firmly believe that the creator of the universe is my wife, and people cannot reach this conclusion because God made them that way.

Kek

creates man with foreskin

changes mind and demands he cut it off

changes mind again and now it's a metaphor of the heart

So much for being omniscient

Heaven is literally eternal bliss

Have you read Revelation? Because it sure isn't

yes it is, entropic law demands gas pressure systems require physical containment. gas behaviour is governed by entropy.

Give me an example of a gas pressure system with out containment - you cant say "the earth" because thats the claim said to violate the llaw - so show one exmaple just one..go on go on do it
thats right. you cant
you lose.
Nigger, Heil Hitler

He's just guiding the culture man.
Sometimes it's right to snip, sometimes it taint.

First part sounds schizo, second part is how it works.
God gives all wisdom; he can also take it away.
so knowledge and beliefs are up to him.
He can make people too dumb to understand him

we're responsible for the choices that we make which is we feel justified when we mocked and make fun of people with bad taste, why shouldn't God?

Give me an example of a gas pressure system with out containment

An example of a gas pressure system without a traditional container is Earth's atmosphere. The Earth's gravity holds the air molecules together, creating a pressure gradient where pressure is higher closer to the surface and decreases with altitude. This pressure gradient is a natural, non-confined gas pressure system.

He's just guiding the culture man.

Nope. He's a man made fool full of man made emotions

he could've made everything unchallenging and humanity would've perished in boredom a while ago.
Prove yourself worthy as "human" by conquering it all.

thats called begging the question
aka circular reasoning you already lost
but didnt know it coz hypnotized normie
Nigger, Heil Hitler

How can something be direct primary cause of something and not be responsible for it occurring? Only furthered by the possession of omniscient (The quality or state of being omniscient; the quality of knowing everything; -- an attribute peculiar to God). It is not possible.

You can't prove that so neiner neiner faggot

It's already checkmated since the start. God is a chess grand Master of the highest order. I can never win against my wife.

Have a nice day :^)

Exactly.
It was intentional.
Working as designed.
Now without assuming malice or trying to correct God because that would be stupid being's as your not omnisicient...square that circle.
That's where I got stuck for a while but once I got it I had a whole new appreciation for God's megamindedness.

I don't need to. The bible lays it out

i'm no kike, no demonic heritage here, and you have to go to that coz i btfo your globe bullshit immediately, rabbi
Nigger, Heil Hitler maxxing

It was intentional

Working as designed

Then we cannot assign him the label of our conception of the word "loving".

But you're assuming motivation and most glaringly, mistakes.
of a being that don't make mistakes.
with limited knowledge as a human.
Delusion my dear Watson, God uses it to troll folks.

You're filtered now

If you don't see the whole picture like he does, how can you judge what he does?
Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

But you're assuming motivation

The bibke lays out the motivation.

Can God absolve sin without death?

No. Quite frankly, fuck off. You do not get to claim moral relativism (actually we don't know what is good and bad dude!!!) when he has given us PRECISE commandments for what is good and bad. But he caused them to exist in the first place! AND as you admitted, he knows and controls everything, therefore he is evil and cannot be loving.

Can he and will he are two different questions.
God laid out a precedent of sin costing blood.
This laid the groundwork for the way the priest caste would be fed and later lead to great symbolic relevance with the crucifixion.
But we dont' need the particulars. It's always true and always simpler to say "God is omniscient; we are not."

i do not know how to measure an elevation angle & I cry about the challenges ahead of me like it is your fault

Not my problem.

lol so close and yet so far.
Tell me Mr. Smarter-than-God, is it evil to do a small evil to do a larger good?

Again, can God absolve sin without death?

It's irrelevant.
It's not can he, it's will he.
He knows better than us which is better to do.

is it evil to do a small evil to do a larger good?

Good and evil are subjective.

your own mom thinks that you're responsible for your own actions and for the current life that you're living, why shouldn't God?

It's irrelevant.

It isn't. It's a simple yes or no. Can God absolve sin without death?

Is it evil to commit an act of evil or an act of good

Small evil

Lol it's cute to watch you pretend to not know. You're good at it. I can't do it.

I agree, my point is if you think God is not loving because you see evil in the world, you should first question your own judgement.
As it's impossible for God to be wrong while humans can be wrong for any number of reasons.

Your mother isn't an omnipotent and omniscient being that plans all your consequences to every choice you make

It's large good though, so in the grand balance, it's good.
There you go, that's why evil exists.
Have a cookie.
You could have just accepted you're not smarter than God as well.

He didn't before, he does now through grace, so yes.
Why does it matter?

my point is if you think God is not loving because you see evil in the world

God is the source of evil and has zero problem enacting evil

its all material

You're the dumb shit

yes, if the individual wants God to. God's concept of death as the consequence of sin is spiritual death which is the separation from the Holy/sinless God who is life. Jesus was sinless yet He still died (and rose again). God Himself is the eternal Life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Small evil, larger good.
Simple as.

You greatly simplify the concept of omniscience by "He knew." If we have a system an element of which is capable of independent choice lets call it 0 or 1. As its creator, that possesses divine intellect and absolute knowledge - which mean you can calculate each movement of each particle of the system in real time with projection of this system's movement as a whole and as individual fragment and as everything else within it - you know every possible configuration of 0's and 1's that can happen, the only unknown is the end quantity of 0s and 1s - which will be cemented at the end of time.

And that's just limited human understanding in reality we cannot grasp, even in fantasy what God is like and what he is capable of, it is impossible in our current state. And that doesn't even count the fact that you can have a communion with God, he can act upon you directly. You cant even fathom what this omniscience and omnipotence is like, so all the logical and analytical models we can come up with are erroneous just by the fact of Gods existence outside of the creation, this logic and math can simply not apply to him, can be not enough to grasp Him,

Which is why you have a capacity for a certain spiritual intuition, faith. what cant be grasped with how's and why's can be understood intuitively by the grace of being God's child.

You asked me which constituted an evil.

is it evil

You are not making any sense.

Actually le good is good!

Not what you asked me

correct, but God is and He believes that we're responsible for our choices and our lives which is why He will held us accountable when our time in this world is over.

He didn't before, he does now through grace, so yes.

Why does it matter?

It matters because it demonstrates he either has rules to follow or he's a sadist

TFW when you realize parsecs and gravity do not check out and are all jewish lies...then you double take and realize wait a minute...that 8 fiddy mill per day to nasa....nas.has.a;lways.been.jewish.
they conned you with "white mans greatest achievement" flattered the ego.
theyre demons
science confirms gravity and parsecs are pseudoscience - magical realism
Wake up, Trueman.
The Earth is a closed system.
Not like they're trying to hide God from you or anything.

I'm saying you're wrong, God's right.
Of course small evil that creates large good isn't evil.
That's saying spanking a child who steals to prevent him from stealing in the future is evil.
Dumb.
Even I know that and I'm just a human.
Imagine how much more a time surpassing cosmic force knows?

yes, if the individual wants God to

Incorrect. It took the death of an innocent man. That you take vicarious redemption through

Small evil,

Like killing baby boys and offering virgin girls as spoils

Time's change, morality changes, God never changes.
Again, judging God as a sadist from a human lens is peak stupidity, he knows things you don't.

but God is and He believes that we're responsible for our choices

There isn't a choice he hasn't seen and there isn't a consequence he hasn't planned. Your as free as a prisoner in his cell

hiv/aids came from cia glowniggers doing blood rituals and pacts without checking for blood type compatibility

God never changes

He's clearly changed from the OT to the NT

If you're worried about a few early deaths and rapes here and there you're really not ready to have a realistic conversation about the creator of this reality and whether or not he's evil for not matching your subjective human morality that has only existed for the last hundred years or so.

go and watch archive "real" space mission footage your parents believed and were told was real at the time.
Thats a red pill

lol
no.
the rules changed.
he didn't.
Time still exists, perfection is in flux.
God is still working, it's a process.

If you're worried about a few early deaths and rapes here and there

And there you have it. The excuses made to hand wave evil because "God" is your favorite thing.

There isn't a choice he hasn't seen and there isn't a consequence he hasn't planned.

yes there are. God laid out the choices so that good people can choose what is good and get justified in their rewards and so that evil people can choose what is evil and get justified in their punishment.

Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

the rules changed.

he didn't.

This is a contradiction. It's clear he changed if the rules he made changed

>There isn't a choice he hasn't seen and there isn't a consequence he hasn't planned.

yes there are

Then you're implying your will supercedes that of your God.

Yes, God is my favorite thing.
Also yes, children dying can be a good thing.
I can come up with scenarios to prove it's possible or you can just believe you're not as smart as God.

The rules don't necessarily reflect anything about how God feels about those rules.
He's not human.
They're not emotional rules.

no i didn't. i just rebuked your unbiblical and unjust idea and understanding of the concept of freewill.

Yes, God is my favorite thing.

And you'll excuse rape and baby killing for him.

Also yes, children dying can be a good thing

Lol, lmao. You're not a parent and it's onvious

The rules don't necessarily reflect anything about how God feels about those rules

It sure does

Free will fags can't fathom that they make choices that are already made for them.
God makes it possible to believe in either determinism or free will without pissing off the normies but it's pretty clearly deterministic imo.
omnipotent super Father and all.

no i didn't

Yup.

God>family
Thems the breaks, no Super Saiyan blessings until you figure out why.

God can't make a rule he's not emotionally invested in

Such a narrow mind. You really think God was getting pissed every time Jews ate pork or do you think it was a rule to prevent preventable deaths of trichinosis? Use your head.

freewill

Is an illusion. What we have is cause and effect. You have 2 layers of subjugation. Not only are you bound by cause and effect but your God is the author of both. He knows every choice you'll make because he made every path and designed every consequence to every choice you made.

Literally a rat in a maze

Selfless sacrifice and example of a perfect cool guy,

Free will fags can't fathom that they make choices that are already made for them

See

God's will is to defeat injustice and to bring justice unto victory by justifying everyone in their eternal abode through their usage of their freewill.

Matt 12:15 Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all
Matt 12:16 and ordered them not to make him known.
Matt 12:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:
Matt 12:18 “Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
Matt 12:19 He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets;
Matt 12:20 a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory;
Matt 12:21 and in his name the Gentiles will hope.”

ah yes, the based torso man

God>family

Clearly. Jesus tells you to abandon them

he's not emotionally invested in

What does a self sufficient and all powerful being need for man's emotions?

yep....you retain your "self" but you're a puppet.
Seeing the strings doesn't ruin your life or anything.
It's pretty comfy being guided by God, I don't know why free will fags hate it.
If I had free will, I'd immediately give it back to God and ask him to guide, teach, and correct me.

NEW BREAD:

taking advantage of people's good intention is very evil, and God could use it to justify you in your eternal damnation

Heb 12:15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;
Heb 12:16 that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.
Heb 12:17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

Theoretically we're supposed to process something God already knows.
A long ass educational movie we can't get out of.

through their usage of their freewill.

Ok, I use my free will and decide not to bend the knee and freely avoid his consequences

If you don't know whether God is real it's because *your* concept of God is wrong. God is all there is

yep....you retain your "self" but you're a puppet

Lol, lmao. The contradictions pile up

Theoretically

Which means you really don't know so you make it up as you go

prove it in a lab and become a famous billionaire paco.

Not really, you experience your life as a puppet as an observer.
retaining your own personality and all that, knowing there's strings doesn't change a thing.

NEW BREAD::

Well it's the only possible explanation for reality if God is real.
We're sitting in the chair for a real real long refinement process waiting for something to happen.
Presumably the process will end with some kind of larger unknown good.

Not really

Yes really

um actually you stop being you if God is controlling you even though he was always controlling you and you didn't know it before.

wut

Well it's the only possible explanation for reality if God is real.

Nope. You can't explain it so you leap to your favorite flavor of god did it

God of the gaps

you stop being you if God is controlling you

Bingo. You were never you.

So I'm not omniscient except for by proxy when God gives me wisdom, sue me.

So I'm not omniscient

Correct

If we take as an axiom that God is Truth, Life and Love and the source of them. Then to denie him is to chose Lies, Death and Contempt. Meaning the existence and the choice is actually an education process. Life is but the womb to be born into the life eternal. You are to learn and to grow to be born a new,

I agree with the notion that refusing God is an act of stupidity, but we really cannot grasp what the eternal life and kingdom of heaven is. It is likely to be something outside of our current comprehension. The difference can be somewhat outlined with the analogy of our current life and being in the womb, we are completely in the dark in the womb, oblivious of the life after birth.

yeah, we're manifestations of God's will, extensions of his being.
thus gods
thus sons of God
Thus heaven is in our heads.
It's not rocket science, God is writing this, God is reading this.
But this particular character I call me is always me.

If we take as an axiom that God is Truth, Life and Love and the source of them.

First you need to prove God, prove why it's one God and not Gods then prove why its your favorite flavor of God.

Good luck

the only unknown is the end quantity of 0s and 1s - which will be cemented at the end of time

This is not compatible with the concept of an all powerful God though! As I stated before, If God simply sets things in place then presses "play", so to speak, then he cannot be all knowing. Things are unknown to him, mistakes can be made, misjudgements etc..

And that's just limited human understanding in reality we cannot grasp, even in fantasy what God is like and what he is capable of, it is impossible in our current state. And that doesn't even count the fact that you can have a communion with God, he can act upon you directly. You cant even fathom what this omniscience and omnipotence is like, so all the logical and analytical models we can come up with are erroneous just by the fact of Gods existence outside of the creation, this logic and math can simply not apply to him, can be not enough to grasp Him,

These are all just things you are supposing about him, can neither be proven nor disproven, hence my stance of agnosticism.

It is fine, we fundamentally disagree. Nothing can be done about it.

You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

God cannot be measured. Everything that exists is part of God. The experience of being self aware is something that cannot be measured either. You have to go beyond materialism to start to understand God

This anon gets it

Exactly. So no one can prove it.
It's a waste of time to say you "know" to a non-believer.
It's just unreasonable.

We go by the Gospel, heathen, you can go play "proofs" with other fools that think their "logic" is capable of grasping the Divine.

It's a waste of time to say you "know" to a non-believer.

It's just unreasonable

Correct because you actually don't know. Hence faith

We go by the Gospel

Circular reasoning

God gives you a brain to contemplate him

refuse to use it because you might somehow offend a being that is literally omniscient

If God wanted obedient servants who listens to His commands all the time, He already has the Angels for that. God create mankind to see who is the most pious and God-fearing because unlike the Angels, we have the choice to accept His command and follow dutifully, or deny and follow your own desires. And this will accumulate in time when universe ends(and we are getting closer than ever, with how everything begun to accelerate, especially the technological advancements) and God will revive every human being who died and will judge each individual person for their previous life.

God create mankind to see who is the most pious

He would already know before creating them. Hence omniscience

Timeless too.
Don't forget he's already basically experienced this whole timeline completely with perfect awareness from beginning to end.

It has been hours of me trying to communicate this concept to them anon, there is no point.

Africans

Jews

Indians

That was the devil

Christians basically jerk off to free will.
idk why.
maybe if you call it Satan they'll stop.

Don't forget he's

You're subjective interpretation aka personal feelings
I know. I enjoy the arguments though

Christians basically jerk off

Flag checks out too.

Who made the devil?
lol

I think we're talking Abrahamic God or something similarly powerful and if we are, he's timeless.
Thus "I AM" not "I wuz"

I think we're talking

About your opinions of God that you borrowed from someone else as did they, so forth and so on

If God is real why bad things happen? This world is full of suffering and pain.

Yeah, that's how language works.
We're not talking about some faggot demigod that can't even view all of time at once here
this is high level juju

Your own book states God made man you retard

i have noticed recently lots of athiests and kikes seething because theres a christian revival happening globally right now with millions hearing the gospel and they hate it

Problem of Evil is easy meat.
God knows everything.
We know practically nothing.
Stuff we think is evil is actually therefore good.
We don't need to explain why, it's sufficient to know God knows everything.

Yeah, that's how language works

You can discover new languages. You won't discover God.

Do you get paid for posting here that's so many posts why you're so invested in arguing here?

As I stated before, If God simply sets things in place then presses "play", so to speak, then he cannot be all knowing.

Again, gross oversimplification. You need to think deeper on the concept of knowing and being capable of perfectly calculating literally everything, every thought, every movement, every event, every word, every sound, every action, every glance, every minute detail or particle at any given timeframe. Aaaaand being able to interfere or not interfere with any part at the request of your prized creation which you gave an option to chose wrong.

Things are unknown to him.

Its not an unknown when every outcome at every point in time is accurately projected and calculated. Again, all the possible ones and zeroes are already counted and established you just chose your own 0 or 1. The fact that at the end of time there will be a certain configuration doesnt mean its "unknown".

mistakes can be made, misjudgements etc..

Assessed by whom, you? The fact that you have the audacity of typing that out is amusing

These are my favorite kinds of threads and I have literally no life.

We know practically nothing.

Says the memeflag who spends the thread detailing how they "know" "God".kek

Hoes getting mad and resorting to strawmans and ad homs.
Nice.

Its not an unknown when every outcome at every point in time is accurately projected and calculated

Except it isn't as the bible has many examples of God changing his mind because the original plan didn't work out

doesn't know what a strawman or ad hom is

Lmao

It's a strawman to say I said you can "know" God.
You can't even "know" God exists.
You can know the Bible and you can logically infer things but you can't "know"

What does it mean to be human to you? Without evil there can be no heroism in the face of evil, loyalty means nothing, there is no valor, no real need for family or community ties, no conquering spirit, none of these things we profoundly ascribe to our "being human". To erase our capacity for evil and our need to vampirize living things to survive in this fallen state would be to erase nearly everything that makes us what we are. The general idea is that in heaven we don't become zombies - we may in fact even still have the capacity for evil there like satan once did, who knows - but that we simply reach a point of grace where evil acts become so utterly unconscionable to us that we will not ever do them.

taking advantage of people's good intention is very evil, and God could use it to justify you in your eternal damnation

yes, and?
i would advise you to lurk more, speak less

It's a strawman to say I said you can "know" God.

Read again

who spends the thread detailing how they "know" "God".

I never said you said. I am dealing your actions.

Again, you don't know what a strawman is

dealing

Detailing*

why would you worship his father are you a dog? his father was fucking shaped in his mothers womb you fucking imbecile

I'm confused by this reply. It seems we agree on everything.

You can preface everything I said about God with "if God is real" because I already explained omnipotence implies he made every religion.

You can preface everything I said about God with "if God is real"

A convenient way to weasel out of responsibility that allows you to play both sides.

Just the facts ma'am.

There is no god

The one true religion is complete submission to his will

believe in his oneness
believe in the existence of angels
believe in the prophets he sent and book

ask yourself do you think prophets and messengers were sent only to the children of israel? how much of history do you know? how much is concealed? ponder these topics

I am a weasel

Yup, sure is

i can discover x but i can't discover the ONE WHO MADE ME

your statement disproves itself

You can preface everything I said about God with "if God is real"

I can yes. You don't though. That's the other part.

Oh no I agree.
His will and judgement are 1:1 what is.
Therefore I do not want things any other way but the way they are because he is perfect and I am not.
By doing this and following his commandments, I become a perfect son of God and spiritual bean.
It's nice.

but i can't discover the ONE WHO MADE ME

My parents made me

I'm sorry your autistic but that's really not my problem.
Do try to keep up.

Nice

Hoes getting mad and resorting to strawmans and ad homs.

Nice.

Lmao

If he wills for you to understand something you will understand it
I constantly ask him for stuff you should do the same just talk to him

you don't start every sentence about God with "if God is real" and you should!

what do you mean I'm autistic, that's ad hom

Why imperfect world exist if he's perfect and why you're using pedo flag? By making this imperfect world it means your god is looking down on everything like ant who can be crushed anytime he like.

Nice self own

who created you out of a sperm drop and shaped you to be a man? who give you sight ears nose touch and taste? will you not be thankful?

World's perfect, our judgement isn't.
As for the flag, I'm a Christian, rainbows are Christian.

who created you out of a sperm drop and shaped you to be a man?

XY

why did the faggot satan refused to bow down?

World's perfect, our judgement isn't.

Nice contradiction there memeflaggot

His nature/nurture given to him by God

God creates Satan knowing what would happen

Lol

if every human isn't' omniscient, the world can't be perfect!

Do you really want to know how dumb I think you are precisely?

yep, working as designed.

I judge the world is perfect

my judgment isn't

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trust me though

Hahaha

REPEAT AFTER ME: I WISH I WAS PROFOUND, BUT I'M NOT! I WISH I WAS ORIGINAL, BUT I'M NOT! I WISH MY IMPENDING DEATH WAS OF ANY CONSEQUENCE, BUT IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT! Your last chance for redemption hinges upon your death; your death which was most fortunately prescribed by your most unfortunate birth.

How would you know?
Your judgment isn't perfect

omnipotent omniscient creator makes thing

somehow it's imperfect despite no lack of ability or knowledge

swing and a miss.

REPEAT AFTER ME

No thanks

kek why didn't he apologize to adam? what is preventing him from doing that? why does he insist on attacking and corrupting us? imagine from birth you are getting attacked by this faggot loser

It's a Jewish personality cult

>omnipotent omniscient creator makes thing

Again

our judgement isn't

Lol

Sufficient to say God knows more than us.
Speculation is unnecessary.
My current hypothesis is it's a grand ol' play to teach us something.

Sufficient to say God knows more than us

It's sufficient to say you don't actually know

You are fully tarded now, you know that right?
Can I do thing and will I do thing....you remember the difference?
Can God make everyone omniscient? Sure.
Will God? NO, not so far.
Fucking wasteman bro lol

What is name of your God aren't you worshipping some sand demon?

my judgment isn't perfect

except when I want it to be

Lol, lmao

he has a small dick his dad raped him as a kid and his mother beat him
that's why he's a midget faggot with two small horns
he envies adam for being superior

Can any choice violate God's omniscience?

"I AM" aka the God who programmed all the shit you can ever experience including all the alt religions and lack of religions.
They all start with "I AM"

Forgive him.
Don't judge him.
Love him and bless him.
There but for the grace of God go you.

Culture of Satanic Jews
So based

They all start with "I AM"

Remember. Your Judgement isn't perfect so why should anyone consider your personal feelings?

You know that you are self aware. But can you prove your experience as a self aware entity to others? No. Does that mean that self awareness isn't real? No, in fact your senses might trick you about everything but you can't be tricked into thinking you are experiencing self awareness if you are not self aware. You can know God without being really able to measure Him just like you can know you are experiencing self awareness without being able to prove it. Everything exists so by necessity God exists. God , by definition, is that which s all powerful and everywhere, always, and everything that exists is part of God, including your ability to perecive yourself. Recaliber your notion of God beyond the notions of God in religious thought, and you will know Him. God is all there is.

I don't know why I am even bother. I knew the thread would turn out like this, it was inevitable. What the fuck is the point of our existence of the underlying character of our existence is discord. I genuinely felt as though I was being completely intellectually honest and logical throughout this discussion, in turn viewing many of you anons as completely blind retards ignoring my logic. Yet I'm sure you felt exactly the same about everything I presented. I really truly hope there is not a God. I want non existence after I die.

can you prove your experience as a self aware entity to others? No

You just did

I already know God bro don't worry.
I'm saying you can't prove it to a non-believer.
You can only use logic, if God isn't waving at them they're not going to see shit.

Abrahamism is death cult and you're worshipping a demon

We go by ancient, penis mutilating Jews bad Goy!

I already know my opinions aboutGod bro don't worry

Ftfy

You can only use logic

Such as?

Oh no this is totally new information to me and I had never seen this and realized it was bs before oh no my religion :O
seriously dude?

If evil is necessary it is not evil

Scroll way up to the first post I made I can't be arsed.
Logical proof that not believing in a God of some description is brainlet territory.

Scroll way up to the first post I made

So there isn't any. Just personal feelings

You're worshipping that sand demon if you follow Jewish made death cult.

Wrong and also gay, thanks for playing.

All of this from someone who's judgement isn't perfect. Except when it comes to his favorite flavor of god and personal feelings

i will kill satan with my bare hands and rape his corpse to death

who is with me?

You're in denial nigga sound emotional af

Ever since I called you autistic you lost all grasp of reality, take your aspbergers medicine or something.

Best of luck.

They are emotionally no different than a tranny

Truth hurts I see.

Abraham faith - Jesus - Christianity

Abraham faith - Pharisees and their wikedness - Oral law word twisting - denial of Christ - Babylonian tal**d - Jews

Not hard