Assuming, they are acting in good faith and want the bloodshed to stop (well, at least that's the facade they're trying to project), then why would they try to tank peace negotiations when they are ALREADY HAPPENING?
Why not AT LEAST PRETEND that you want peace and have "high hopes", and then be "oh, we're so disappointed, I guess it's TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN" now...
But why sink them BEFORE they even start? Kind of makes it obvious that jew wants slavs dead - no "ifs" no "buts".
Ukraine only wants muh 30-day ceasefire
Russia only wants muh permanent peace
Obviously nothing can be decided, because the Ukies are not allowed to end the conflict, and that's the only thing the Russians are prepared to discuss.
Ukies are not allowed to end the conflict,
I honestly don't think that's the case anymore, their overlords from US genuinely have changed their tune - Trump wants that Nobel thingie. I think Ukies are just a bit slow to realise. Also, EuroCucks didn't seem to get the memo.
Then why harp on and on and on about the 30 days? They can have a permanent cease fire immediately. Just sign the agreement from 3 years ago, with the slight amendment about Russia keeping all it conquered. Those Russkies may even give some land back if the Ukies ask nicely.
with the slight amendment about Russia keeping all it conquered.
It's really not about "conquering" for Russia, honestly, they need "denazification and demilitarisation" shit. It doesn't matter how much they conquer - Ukraine can't be a hostile nation - it'll be same shit as in Georgia - just took a bit longer. It's absolutely existential threat for them.
Just sign the agreement from 3 years ago
LOL! LMAO even.
LOL! LMAO even.
What? It'll be like Georgia, I would imagine. And that's inevitable. Well, that or Russia collapses.
But there is already an agreement back from April 2022. The Russians agreed to it. The Ukies refused, hence the continuation of the war. It just needs to be amended to account for what happened over the last 3 years. You act like that agreement never existed. We don't have to surmise or guess about anything. We know what was acceptable, because they agreed to it.
Hey, short answer is it's just stock and commodities manipulation
Istanbul deal of 2022 would only be a starting point for the negotiations.
Russian demands are higher now.
No ceasefire because Macron and Mertz bragged they will send weapons to Ukraine regardless if there's a ceasefire or not.
But there is already an agreement back from April 2022.
Sure, that agreement included "demilitarisation and denazification" clauses. Signing it would effectively end the war.
The Ukies refused
Ukies, agreed, Brits didn't.
You act like that agreement never existed.
I think you mis-understood me. It existed, and it'll be signed sooner or later - that's inevitable, obviously with some amendments to take into account the "situation on the ground".
because they agreed to it.
Yeah, there was some understanding about that agreement, though you shouldn't say they "agreed", because technically they didn't, but they surely were READY to agree, except Boris came (he was praised in Ukie newspapers back then - like he "saved Ukraine from capitulation").
Hey, short answer is it's just stock and commodities manipulation
Well, it won't be too long before their subjects start disobeying, no? What good is all that wealth when you can't keep it...
Russian demands are higher now.
Same demands, except situation on the ground. That's the point Russia tries to project - consistency and inevitability.
because technically they didn't,
Ukies, agreed, Brits didn't
Okie, contradicting myself here a little. anyways - there was "common understanding" and "readiness to sign".
Vitniggers too dumb to work out that Putin doesn't want peace
Same demands
Sure, Ukraine will get to keep Kherson and Zapo, and will have a chance to keep an Autonomous Donbas too, just like 2022.
Ukraine will get to keep Kherson and Zapo
No, that part has changed, those are part of RF now, but the rest stays.
>Vitniggers too dumb to work out that Putin doesn't want peace
Look at Georgia, Moldova, or pretty much anywhere else - definitely peace there. No NATO - no war.
Suffering and violence is the default state of nature and mankind. Only when you are sufficiently redpilled and/or blackpilled will you understand how futile things like peacetalks and ceasefires are. There is no such thing as a permanent ceasefire. All these delegations, all this effort. It's all bullshit. Humans are just full of shit about everything.
They won't agree to leave the territories of the 4 oblasts. They won't give up Kherson city without a fight.
They won't demilitarize. They can't denazify.
We're interested in settling the conflict, not a 30 day ceasefire. Ukraine is interested in the opposite. Hence, these talks are fruitless.
Irony, I imagine. Anyways - look at Georgia, squint your eyes, and imagine peaceful, prosperous Ukraine 20 years down the line - no NATO, no wars, getting along with all their neighbours.
Hence, these talks are fruitless.
Am I the ONLY ONE here who GENUINELY wants them to SUCCEED!?
Sure, they MIGHT end up being fruitless, and that's a possible outcome for sure, but let's try to keep our hopes high!
I work with facts not with figments of your imagination.
putin blocks any peace attempt with his riddiculous claims
note how absolute whos he sent there
he's not even willing to stop the fighting untill all dark colors in southeast ukraine are controlled as russia and accepted as russia
they are gas station mafia who have absolutely nothing else going or for them so they cant stand the competition
they can etiher neutralize the threat or die trying
trump in his boomer retardation only sabotages peace in he world by letting warmongers run rampant
Look at Georgia
Oh, mate.
I work with facts not with figments of your imagination.
Can you please then summarise your position in all seriousness without "mUh i aM sO IrOnIc".
I'll start:
"Russians (brainwashed or not) in their majority believe that NATO poses existential threat when supports anti-Russian regimes in countries such as Georgia or Ukraine, they are willing to put boots on the grounds and fight what they perceive as existential threat".
Now, your take, WTF is happening today?
note how absolute whos he sent there
Same guys who almost signed something last time - I think he's trying his best to get something signed (from his perspective).
he's not even willing to stop the fighting untill all dark colors in southeast ukraine are controlled as russia and accepted as russia
He's willing to stop, as long as their demands are fulfilled (no NATO, no ban on Church, language, etc.)
they can etiher neutralize the threat or die trying
yupp...
trump in his boomer retardation only sabotages peace in he world by letting warmongers run rampant
not sure I understand what you've said right there. anyways.
Now, your take, WTF is happening today?
Nothing. There's no common ground to find in order for the negotiations to go to the next phase.
Oh, mate.
Care to extrapolate?
Same guys who almost signed something last time - I think he's trying his best to get something signed (from his perspective).
lmao
He's willing to stop, as long as their demands are fulfilled (no NATO, no ban on Church, language, etc.)
+everything russia conquered so far and also what they plan to conquer
+military quota for ukraine
+demilitaried security zone
Fuck Ukraine
They let a grifting kike get them into this war now they learn what that it's not what they were promised. Jewing 101.
+everything russia conquered so far and also what they plan to conquer
+military quota for ukraine
+demilitaried security zone
That's accurate
lmao
So much lulz indeed.
also
Same guys who almost signed something last time
last time during US-russian negotiations in saudi arabia they sent lavrov there
now its bunch of no ones
That's accurate
so you admit they dont actually plan to be taken seriously only use trump's retardation to block support for ukraine so they can pick it piece by piece in peace
so you admit they dont actually plan to be taken seriously only use trump's retardation to block support for ukraine so they can pick it piece by piece in peace
Zelensky signed the horrible "US mineral deal" - he will sign everything else.
yes and now its russia vs US fighting over same resources
thats why he doesnt even send lavrov anymore
only sends bunch of no ones to postpone american response another month
yes and now its russia vs US fighting over same resources
um.. yeah.. Russia is not fighting for resources though, they're fighting for their existence. And Trump will be perfectly happy for Russian language and church not to be banned in Ukraine as long as he has his resources, Russia will concede, I imagine.
again shill picture you can see here clearly proves you wrong if they were fighting for their existance (missile proximity to their most important population/political centers whole their efforts would be focused on northeast ukraine namely sumy oblast kharkiv oblast and black hiv oblast but its clearly not the case since its purely war over resources already explained in said post
in saudi arabia they already said they want full control over donetsk,lugansk kherson and zaporozhia oblasts and they only control lugansk fully
not to mention such dea just opens doors for another invasions later and is fully 1 sided deal with absolutely 0 concessions from russian side which can only be called unacceptable
so they dont send anyone important there anymore its just suppose to buy them a little more time
if they were fighting for their existance
The believe that, regardless if that's true or not.
which can only be called unacceptable
I would the same about "minerals deal" - totally unacceptable and betraying core interest of the population of Ukraine.
so they dont send anyone important there anymore its just suppose to buy them a little more time
They're sending same guys as in 2022. That's the closes they were to peace they would've agreed to.
You're conflating a prediction with endorsement. Nothing about that article implies that the authors want the war to continue.
You're conflating a prediction with endorsement. Nothing about that article implies that the authors want the war to continue.
perhaps you're right. i'm projecting, your valid point has been noted.
The believe that, regardless if that's true or not.
lmao pic rel shill
it may pass once or twice but at this point you are as reliable as any kike
I would the same about "minerals deal" - totally unacceptable and betraying core interest of the population of Ukraine.
ah yes you have to repeat your talking point completely ignoring it doesnt even refute what i said you dumb shill
They're sending same guys as in 2022. That's the closes they were to peace they would've agreed to.
lmao medinsky participated in 29-30march22 peace talks
pic rel is how advances looked back then
thats why its clear putin isnt beting on any peace agreement