Hydrogen is the most retarded form of energy

It is literally far gayer than EV.
At least EV technologically make sens...

dinosaur juice is a meme religion, just like the Holocaust, Hanz.

it's a cool story to keep the prices high

It'd be a lot smarter to make synthetic methane since it's much easier to transport, store and pump into vehicles and we already do it on a fairly large scale. Hydrogen is more difficult in every conceivable way.

liquid hydrogen pipeline

nice target you're building there nigger.

Hydrogen is the most retarded form of energy.

Not for Global Warming Scam artists -- its wonderful -- They get all the money and get to stand on stage and say "See it works !!!" -- and then they leave before the first pipe cracks from Hydrogen embrittlment -- or the tanks start to leak from a scratch on the filler nozzle -- or the vehicle sits idle for months because they can't find the undetectable leak -- They are not around after the people who spent millions ((( You and Me ))) and have to scrap the project ---- "Hydrogen Fuel" is the magic bean seller's best friend

hurr durr we're going to run out of coal

literally an entire planet made of hydrocarbons

Why are anti-carbon fags so retarded?

its not as energy dense

it leaks fucking everywhere

you cannot produce it in Europe so you need to import it unless you use nuclear which makes this whole exercise retarded

storing it is also a massive pain in the ass

even worse Europe already was the leader in nuclear tech before the retarded green idea got pushed a decade ago

I have said this many times but whoever is pushing this retarded bullshit read a single lecture slide on european complex renewable energy networks and then didn't bothered to read the conclusion which explicitly says that any alternative to nuclear/russian gas would be the certain death of European industry.

pic rel
some people lives depend on not advancing energy sources

or the tanks start to leak from a scratch on the filler nozzle

lolwut really?

Sums it up pretty well sadly.

Hydrogen is leaky. Naked protons are so small they can pass right through solid objects making non-cryogenic hydrogen a pain in the ass to work with.

Obligatory Fletcher Prouty
youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc

Hydrogen is an extremely difficult gas to store and because of its low energy density you need huge tanks running at insanely high pressures. Also hydrogen seeps into metals and causes them to turn brittle. All around a shit gas to use as vehicle fuel.

Then how is it made?
Please detail the geological process because you clearly understand it better than scientists.

Hydrogen fuel is gay. Hydrogen fusion is the way to go.

we need to do this really difficult form of nuclear power despite having this relatively easy form of nuclear power available

y tho

At least its better than batteries in the long run
But yeah hydrocarbons are king, still
Should be figuring out how to make them instead

lmao ofcourse, everytime anyone is asked to, they will

What's wrong with the future hydrogen tech?

Burning Hydrogen "Embrittles" metals -- so that Cast Iron block you have run Hydrogen through. After a year you can hit it with your hand and it will break . ---- Hydrogen is a very small molecule -- it wants to leak -- put a scratch on any of the hardware -- it will leak .. so Tyrone at the filler station dragging the filler hose to your Hydrogen car drops it on the nozzle -- the hose is no good any more and has to be replaced --- oh and because it is such close tolerances -- it is $4000 . --- To add to fun fun -- Hydrogen burns with out a visible flame -- so you do not know the gas station is on fire till it has really caught and burning other stuff and at that point it is unfightable !!! Hydrogen is a Global warming scam -- it allows them to pretend it works long enough to collect their money and leave town

You know the most funny thing about.
Hydrogen is made out of gas. CH4. Because you have 4 hydrogen. So, basically you need tons of gas to make hydrogen. Meaning it wont solve any european problems about gas...

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ZEPPLINS!

Hydrogen is always present while uranium is rare and needs to be enriched.

he doesn't know

NS2 was made for Hydrogen

Can't wait to watch a future USCSB video about a huge hydrogen explosion.

The only feasible way to do it is with nuclear power.

Thorium is 3 times more abundant than uranium and uranium is about as common as tin. There are also operational reactors that run on unenriched uranium. There is no shortage of nuclear fuel on Earth.

Interesting.

But at an atomic level hydrogen fusion produces more energy and is cleaner. On the long term it's better, it just needs initial investement.

they want to recreate the petro cartel network
but have it completely under european control

EV is chink clay
Hydrogen is pure EU shilling to look "innovative"

We can't even do helium 3 fusion reliably, which is far easier than H-H fusion. Not only that, but neutron production is inevitable and that ends up degrading your reactor vessel by transmuting the elements it's made of into other elements. You could add a blanket of material to absorb those neutrons, but that ends up creating the nuclear waste you sought to avoid in the first place and further increases the complexity of a machine too complex for us to build with current technology. Fission is the way to go with the technology we have today and it also produces hydrogen isotopes useful for fusion as a byproduct.

With current technological standards it is. Yes.

thinks oil is made of dead dinosaurs

ngmi.

I thought neutron radiation can be easily blocked by water and some polymer materials.

easiest to produce, cleanest burn

retarded

Liquid water or plastic in the same chamber as multi million degree fusion plasma isn't gonna work, chief.

Storing it! Storing it takes more energy than Hydrogen produces.

so don't store it, immediately use it as you produce it

What's the point of using electricity to create it in the first place when you could just immediately use the electricity?

takes less electricity for amount of hydrogen produced. use hydrogen to drive large pistons

To do what? Turn a big crank to make electricity?

Yep.
In France they tried to sell it with bullshit such as "we have lot of hydrogen underground", "we could be the new qatar". When reality is, we are sleeping on the 6th biggest known gas reserve in the world (half of the north of France), but since "muh ecology" make it impossible to extract it, they tried to sell it has hydrogen to exploit it.
Those retard created the problem about us being unable to extract your own resources and now try to ciconvent it with extra, extra stupid steps...

Why do Eurofags take all the gayest shit in the American liberal empire and actually run with it? I get that you are vassals but it's sickening how you are all like actually slaves.

It's 100% not made of dead plant and animal material

clearly understand it better than scientists.

Lmaooooo he did the thing!

because it is the most retarded form of energy
Oil is renevable, you idiot

Hydrogen can burn like gas.

And it is the most abundant element in the universe.

But yeah! The EU will totally fuck it up.

While everyone is progressing, the EU is worries about bottle tops being removable.

Yeah its not just small, its literally the smallest element in existence
it really wants to get out

Just because it's abundant doesn't mean it's in any kind of usable form. H2 by itself is not common at all.

run machinery, stupid. like they did with steam

Hydrogen will destroy steel. It's a dumb idea when we already have everything already built to run machinery with electricity.

lol, how stupid are you? there are plenty hydrogen motors that work just fine

Retard

hydrogen isn’t even an energy source, more like an energy vehicle at best

May as well bond it to some carbon and have something you can store in a jar. Rather than having something that will leak through solid metal and slowly eat steel.

it's better to stick with slide rules. computers are too large and need enormous amounts of support staff. there's no way they could ever be economical.

That's the benefit, it's a battery that's better than the other styles of battery.

while uranium is rare and needs to be enriched.

Laughs in heavy water.

Yes and they'll degrade over time as hydrogen slowly fucks up any metal it contacts in the engine.

Name a single benefit of using hydrogen over methane as a fuel.

Hydrogen is a FUEL
Nuclear reactors could be used to generate hydrogen using water (even salt water works), turning electricity into fuel. The major downsides include the large storage space required and the weight of the tanks, which together reduce the range and efficiency of hydrogen vehicles.

What's wrong with the future hydrogen tech?

Electrolyzing water is 70-80% efficient and lithium batteries are 92% efficient or better. It's a shit battery.

Because fission reactors exist right now
If we crack fusion green retards will screech about now wanting to live near a star or something

can't defend hydrogen

has to switch to flimsy argument by analogy

knows nothing about the subject to begin with; just wants to argue with someone for attention

just die already

the large storage space required

also because it escapes from the tanks, damages the tanks and loses like 90% of its energy over the entire production and transport process

It's the most abundant element in the universe, cracking it produces oxygen, and it has no harmful emissions when burned. You sound like a luddite.

also because it escapes from the tanks, damages the tanks

You sound like a fucking moron.

But you don't have to make ultra poisonous lithium batteries.

so invest in creating material that can withstand hydrogen burning long term.

Not if langmuir was actually correct and the hydrino model reveals is a fractal implosion you can unwrap like an onion and get more and more energy

The form of energy matters a lot less than what it gets used on. Using any energy to feed niggers and fund the kike-economy we have today is retarded even if, or especially if, it were free and limitless, let alone difficult to produce.

oh they did read it, thats why they are pushing green germanium

and it has no harmful emissions when burned

same as Methan, except when you fell for the jewish ploy that CO2 is a harmful gas.

Another funny thing, since Hydrogen burns hotter, you have much higher chances of creating NOx which is an actual harmful gas for humans.

Hydrogen has some potential because even with the compression it's high density energy storage. Only downside is that it's ridiculously combustible. It would only take a small leak around Pablo's hairy ass building up a static charge to turn Pablo and everything into pulled pork.

Usable hydrogen is not abundant at all on Earth, we have practically infinite oxygen already available in the air and the carbon can be sourced from the atmosphere. Literally no benefits.

Sodium works fine. Not as good as lithium, but better than hydrogen.

your fuel tank that holds 1/3rd the energy now costs 20 times as much

This is what "innovation" is now, it seems.

Easy there WallStreetMillenial

he doesnt know hydrocarbons are a renewable resource, even if theyre buried 5km under shale formations etc.

Ngmi

Thats like basic Anon Babble redpill at this point

funny thing, that tank still will leak hydrogen.

Literally no benefits.

Let me guess, you're a David Duke supporter?

Because hydrogen is the smallest atomic structure.

why is this allowed?

Don't use cars powered by hydrogen fuel cell electric engines.
Use cars powered by compressed hydrogen oxygen mix burning engines. Just electrolysis and compress the fuel.

They sure are slippery little molecules. Air at a few thousand PSI is hard enough to keep from leaking, I can't imagine a fucking gas station attendant or random customers will be able to handle the seals without putting a microscopic scratch or two on them.

Don't know much about the guy other than he's not a fan of the blacks.

The algeaaurus rex was pretty vicious, so I can understand why you are scared anon

No one ever said it's a form energy, you fucking moron

Hydrogens gay and retarded because it leaks, but what if they put it in a big shitty cheap tank that only compresses it half as much, instead of an expensive small one? You just have a pod on your car holding kinda compressed hydrogen so it leaks slower.

Might as well go with a high pressure tank and compressed air at that point.

most abundant element, not most abundant molecule. diatomic, molecular hydrogen doesn't exist very commonly, it's abundant because it exists as methane (4 H for 1 C) or water (2 H for 1O). kind of how even though silicon is so abundant on earth, it's never found as silicon it's found as silicon dioxide (SiO2)

Hydrogen is a pair of hydrogen atoms, h2
Youre describing methane, ch4

you're a little confused on the specifics but yes, hydrogen is currently produced at large scale from methane

energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming

Youre a racism.

Hydrogen also explodes at almost any oxygen density, whereas petrol or diesel etc. merely ignite and burn. The concussion alone would kill anyone near enough to the blast.

not as retarded as batteries

And it is the most abundant element in the universe.

On Earth it's not readily available, and the amount of energy required to extract it renders it pointless, which is aside from how dangerous it is.

You know how racist it is to be discussing science like this?
Niggers can't do basic math and you're talking about atoms n' shit!
If there were a nigger in this thread he would have every right to bonk you on the head!

But a battery can do what hydrogen cannot.

hydrogen

What is hydrogen embrittlement

Female voters are responsible for this absolute suicidal lunacy

Auto industry has been investing in hydrogen for at least 20 years. We would have it by now if California hasn't forced everyone to sell EVs. Typical hydrogen prototypes are 600+ hp

NS2 was made for Hydrogen

unironically this,
It supposed to be transported from Russian hydrogen factories as a mixture with natural gas.

he still thinks it's dinosaur oil

kek 70ties still kick hard

Female voters

This is the source of most, if not all, the problems we face today

What flag dat be?
I could use the Google but am lazy
Where are you from likely to be a NIGGER man, man?
And can I tell you a secret?
It's such a rush to type NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER while I ride public transportation surrounded by niggers.

the only time hydrogen energy isn't retarded is when we finally figure out fusion.
Hydrogen is a bitch to store, a bitch to handle, and a giant bitch if anything goes wrong.
if you want to store energy in a liquid/gas you can burn, create methane or some other hydrocarbon shit.

Japan is invested in hydrogen

You traded nuclear for coal, your word means nothing you dubious kraut.

irrelevant.

Windy day

produce hydrogen with excess energy

b-but muuhhh efficiency!!!

Nobody is arguing for building a nuclear plant to produce hydrogen. It's simply just a way to store the EXCESS energy produced by wind turbines. Stop being dishonest.

remember in the 2000s when europe was the leading region in battery tech? i guess they are so butthurt that they lost so hard to china that they are betting on anything else.

Yes -- Hydrogen molecule is very small so all the fitting have to be made in close tolerances to prevent it from leaking .. as well as being made from Non - spark alloys . ( read expensive ) . So just imagine if Paco or Tyrone at the gas pump can't line up the nozzle perfectly to get the screw connector to line up .

***Bang Bang Bang *** -- puts a scratch on the face --- it now leaks when it is filling ...

Also Hydrogen burns with no visible flame -- so have to wait till it has set other things on fire to see it. Also know as -- "Too Late to save the Gas station / car / building ."

Also it causes Embrittlement in metals -- so you use hydrogen in your engine -- it will turn it into Chinese-ium . Does not matter who made the engine BMW -- Honda -- Detroit -- it will be able to be broken with a touch of the finger .

The only thing more retarded than hydrogen is intermittent wind/solar.

What's wrong with the future hydrogen tech?

Top of my head ...
--- Takes more energy to produce , refrigerate , and compress Hydrogen then energy that you get out of that tank of Hydrogen at the end of the day.

--- To Store liquid hydrogen, it is held at 30x times the atmospheres than some thing like propane -- so Everything has to be on the scale of those thick walled , very heavy Oxy acetylene tanks -- You carry around 100lb empty tank in your car now -- everywhere . Oh and you are going to burn a shit load of coal ( in china) to make all those heavy steel tanks ,, and pipes , and holding tanks -- Good thing Global warming is not real. Right !!

-- Hydrogen molecule is small, so all fittings have to be made to close tolerances or it will leak ( and sometimes leaks anyway ) -- you put a scratch on them -- it is no good , can't use it -- throw it away .

--- Hydrogen embrittles metals --- so no longer getting 75,000 miles out of your engine -- hydrogen leeches into metal and changes it properties -- so all the piping and elbows will crack also valves will break and pistons will crack -- engine blocks will crack. nothing is immune .

It is a scam -- it will last long enough for it to work once and the scam artists to collect their money and skip town --- it " Sounds good" so retarded women and Nu-Males will by into it

How many cycles versus a hydrogen tank?

Nuclear makes the most sense for Europe, its not sunny enough for solar. Whats with all this weird renewable shit? Just replace your fossil fuel power plants with nuclear reactors and use the electricity for everything else like cars, stoves and heat.

wow
everything these kikes do is to make us need to rebuy re install replace shit our fathers built that works forever with only minor maintenance

thx bro never heard of hydrogen embrittlement

imagine needing to replace your entire gas turbine every so often at the power plant just as a part of normal preventative maintenance

fucking retards

nuclear makes the most sense for everyone except places directly over massive fault lines

I fear that our only hope as a species is to nuke India entirely (I don't fear it and hope it happens soon).

hydrogen is a dead end outside of some industrial processes like steelmaking. it takes more energy to make than you get from burning it and you only get 20% of the energy released from burning it as mechanical work. Its much better to use batteries and 95% efficient electric motors if you really want to do this
places with lots of sun can make solar work which is why australia is going all in. The nordic countries are dark 24/7 for half the year so thats a no go. Most of America can use it too. Uruguay actually has a 100% renewable electrical grid. Europe just isnt ideal for solar. Idk about wind though but europe has much less space than the USA so it would still be better to go nuclear

lmao

they're going all in on solar because every single dwelling here will now need to buy 1-2 15k batteries
our electricity has more than quadrupled in the last 15 years

it's all bullshit to extract money from governments who need to borrow from central banks to buy shit we never needed

theyre way cheaper than that now

You guys are dumb, huge reserves of hydrogen gas have been found in several places in Europe there is no need to make it with electrolysis.

Hydrogen isnt an energy source its more like a battery. They are making fuel from extra capacity thus storing it.

Besides not blowing up

You absolute retard...
How do you stock hydrogen ?

were will run trillion dollars hydrogen plant only five day of the month

Nice business plan.

the other anon was referring to the fact that most hydrogen industrially is made from methane. However they do it, ts cheaper than electrolysis.

lifepo4 are ok, and the solid state lithium batteries are pretty good. They are expected 2030's.

There are certain geologic structures that can store hydrogen; iirc salt domes. So you pump all the (natural) oil out of that and back fill with hydrogen and just use it as a giant tank. There are a few in the southern US that look good for this purpose.

Euros are always on woman mode

Its much better to use batteries and 95% efficient electric motors if you really want to do this

only kinda. its hard/expensive to scale up batteries, but you can build a massive gas turbine that runs on hydrogen pretty easily. That's why its interesting, its just existing tech. You can push hydrogen though existing nat gas pipe. Hydrogen embrittelment is only a problem with high strength (alloy) steels. low carbon cheap steels can deal with it ok.

Batteries have gotten so insanely cheap that they can be scaled up to applications that would have sounded absurd only 10 years ago. There are battery powered house sized mining trucks now.

Problem is, we can't really use them to store hydrogen from our making.
And fun fact, we dug some salt domes in France to put our strategic oil reserves in. They are like 600m deep and connected to deep underground pipelines, so even direct impact from nukes can't destroy them.

That's true, but tiny compared to the grid.

we can't really use them to store hydrogen from our making.

Why not?
texastribune.org/2024/03/25/texas-energy-clean-hydrogen/

If every building had solar panels on the roof the grid wouldnt need to be very big. Fortescue built their own solar plant to charge those trucks and even after all that the total cost of ownership is less than the old diesel ones.

Probably less. If you use steel tanks, you're going to get embrittlement problems that lead to cracking and if you use composite tanks the stress from going from 1,000 to 10,0000 psi and back means it's not going to last very long.

composites dont experience fatigue

If every building had solar panels on the roof the grid wouldnt need to be very big

yeah, but the system maintenance problem would be huge. Storage is the same problem, so you just distribute the batteries. If you can centralize everything you can handle it efficiently. Its the problem with rooftop solar, a lot of that stuff stops working after 5 years and having a technician drive around and climb on roofs isn't very efficient. Off grid though, lifepo4 and solar is great.

Theyre solid state electronics, they need literally nothing and last 15-20 years.

I'm not so sure about that.

In practice, there is a difference between theory and practice. I don't have a system, but its been in the news where they break and the home owners are screwed.

You are arguing with the wrong person, I think they are neat, and I could build one (maybe you too), but the average normie seemingly has issues with them.

im an engineer, the titan was a retarded design. it was a tube with titanium end caps bolted on when it should have been a single seamless piece of either one.

It's still leak, need to be pressurized, and you need to transform it anyways.
It probably one of the best solution. But hydrogen is still problematic as an energy.

I agree with that. Also I think France is doing the grid right with a lot of nuclear.

If it creates more problems than it solves the EU will dictate to do it.
It's made from gas you dumb nigger.

not my problem

what about that solid state hydrogen stuff?

If this is what you mean; its on the extreme edges of research. iirc some theorize once made it might be stable at room temp.

lasers.llnl.gov/news/nif-takes-a-quantum-leap-into-elusive-metallic-hydrogen

the absolute worst substance in the entire universe to store, move, or simply have in any amount

gee, i dunno

It's really fuckin bad, frog, the most efficient way to produce it is from propane, a very inefficient way to do it is to use electricity which most likely comes from propane anyway if not coal, and you produce a gas that's outrageously explosive, that is less energy dense, that you'll have to run on new pipelines but it will combust into water.
While you could just burn the damn LPG in a car.

Hydrogen

We do not have enough hydrogen to use it as a fuel supplly.
We must create it by destroying water.
When burned, hydrogen then turns back into water

So hydrogen is a battery, not an energy supply.

Also it's an incredibly shitty battery because it just constantly leaks out of every fitting wd8jns

Oh boy. Hydrogen power infrastructure and "refugees" are going to be a fun mix.

>he doesnt know hydrocarbons are a renewable resource

One petrodollar has been deposited into your account

It is a good form of energy, the problem is that it goes kaboom easy, very very easy.

To put it simply, hydrogen is an energy carrier not an energy source like a hydrocarbon. There's no naturally occurring H2 - it has to be produced. The most economical method is from methane or "blue" hydrogen.
So you have put in energy to get it back out.
They love to claim that everything will run on "green" from magical renewable sources but that's all made up shit like everything else from these faggots.

Europe should be leading in so many sectors right now, it makes me sad. The way I see it is that we should be in a tech/AI race with you, not China. We should be competing with Europe.

We just had one of our billionaire conmen here go through the whole hydrogen pie in the sky frauds here, he called it green hydrogen. Fortescue metals which he ran received grant money from every scumbag government going for the green hydrogen scam, even in the USA. Now it's all collapsed and Forrest is gone while fortescue is axing jobs left and right.
I knew right from the start that the whole thing was a scam and that he was full of shit, funny how knowing this stuff is of so little use in the real world innit.