People aren't having kids because there's no benefits to doing so. People used to have kids because it was a source of free labor. The solution to the fertility crisis is simple: bring back child labor.
People aren't having kids because there's no benefits to doing so...
Children of H1B born in the US will no longer be us citizens
teamblind.com
You don't work
If i didnt work I wouldnt be able to eat.
Child labor would also reduce the demand for immigration so it would be a net benefit for society too.
my neighbor's kids literally ask me for work to do and i give it to them
and the kids would be stronger and grow up to be sexier, solving the incel probelm too
Exactly its better than having them sit around in school and do nothing
If everyone is 8+/10 women will simply ignore the 8's and only have sex with the 9's and 10's
kek sad but true
and
multigenerational properties greatly benefit families and communities
can take care of elderly
grandparents can babysit
pay only taxes, as house is already owned
put down roots in a community
keep wealth in the family
higher security
I have four children. Goats have kids.
Well having a child invites intense government scrutiny into your life.
Have no illusions about it, that child is more government property than it is yours. It is a future tax payer and the government will treat them as such.
Fairly certain your are imprisoned if you don’t subject “your” kid to any form of government approved education.
So not only does the government tax you and use your moneys to import shitskins and create transgender theatre productions in far flung countries, but they expect you to fund and pay for the development of their future tax cattle on top of it.
Plus, by the age of 5-6, the child is out of your house for most of the day and spends most of their time in school.
By the time they are 7-8, that’s not even your kid anymore on a psychological level. They are parroting whatever faggot bullshit they picked up from their fellow students and/or their unwed middle aged woman teacher.
It does not pass a cost benefit analysis, especially when most people are racial bastards and have no business prioritizing the continuance of their Race.
your are imprisoned if you don’t subject “your” kid to any form of government approved education.
False. You can still raise your own children.
From ChatGPT:
In the United States, compulsory education laws require that children attend school—either public, private, or an approved homeschool program—typically from ages 5–7 until 16–18, depending on the state.
If You Don’t Send Your Child to School:
• Yes, you can face legal consequences, but it’s usually not jail immediately.
• The state will typically try to intervene through truancy enforcement:
• You might receive warnings or court orders.
• Fines can be imposed.
• Social services might get involved.
• In extreme or repeated cases, criminal charges like educational neglect or contributing to the delinquency of a minor can be filed.
• Jail is possible, but typically as a last resort after repeated noncompliance.
Have no illusions about it, that child is more government property than it is yours. It is a future tax payer and the government will treat them as such.
jesus this is also true
An approved homeschool program is literally a letter you mail to the county that says reading writing and arithmetic. That's it.
People used to have kids because they had homes to raise them in.
Well again, does that pass a cost benefit analysis?
Not only will you work and pay taxes, but you need to somehow provide an education that mirrors that of 8 hours in school a day and also ensure they do not become feral and unsocialized incel NEETS.
Does not pass cost benefit analysis.
Children are incredibly needy and there are only so many hours in a day.
Freelabor on a family farm is one thing.
free labor to soulless corporations is quite another, you soulless fuck.
you need to somehow provide an education that mirrors that of 8 hours in school
Also false, that is the main reason to homeschool. You only have to teach them important things, not the things they learn from being imprisoned for 8 hours a day. I agree with you about the taxes, but homeschool has nothing to do with that. Even without homeschool there still shouldn't be any taxes.
there is no difference labor is labor
go ahead and tell me how "Child slaves are actually a good thing"
you hapless retard fuck.
Yeah thats a big problem with modern schooling they get all the drawbacks of having a job without getting paid for it
Child labor still exists, kids do 9-5 unpaid office work 40 hours a week for 18 fuckin years before they go work for the 1%
In the old days the kids got a fucking wage for their labor at least.
work for a wage that benefits you and your family
NOOO THIS IS LITERALLY HECKIN SLAVERY
ok leddit
Kys, commie.
A lot easier said than done.
However I suppose children in American public school aren’t retaining much of what they learn anyways so perhaps that is a valid point.
But my personal opinion: as a man, it is simply not my job to deal with educating children younger than 15
Yea i spazz posted and had to fix it but yea, child labor still exists. And its sickening how kids are forced to do it without ANY PROMISE of a payoff.
so, explain to me how a child working for their own money benefits the parents?
also, you are literally advocating for child slaves.
so go fuck yourself. pedophile.
Have you tried not being a commie loser?
"American" frogpost ignores the JQ once again
Corporations owning children is a good thing!
.t you.
people arent having kids cuz women are on birth control full time because the jew box (tv) told them every day for 17 years that having a family will ruin your life
Newfag General #1 - /nfg/
4plebs.org
Why are the jews so obsessed with destroying the white race?
In the old days the kids got a fucking wage for their labor at least
Only a small part. Most of it went directly to the parents. And when they came home after 12 hours in the factory or mine, their parents let them continue working at home. The period of early industrialization must have been so much fun.
How dare you not support child slave labor, why are you a commie!?!?!?!?1
.t you
You have to remove social welfare, and create a culture of family dependance. This isn't Jewish at all.
"Corporations are heckin' bad, you chud!"
People aren't having kids because it costs too much goddamn money and legal work to.
In the past, you just had to fuck. Now you need $100,000, a lawyer, and a trillion pieces of paper signed.
Child labor was the norm until Jews started pushing (((worker's rights))).
so, explain to me how a child working for their own money benefits the parents?
it gives them their own source of income and takes a burden off of the parents
also, you are literally advocating for child slaves.
thats the modern school system theyre treated like theyre in a job but get no compensation
Free
We need to increase our profitability until we are legally required to break the law and enslave people in order to keep up with stock expectations!!!
.t you
slavery was the norm until the jewish monopoly on slaves was broken, by freeing the slaves.
I'm not having kids because I have autism and depression. I manage my life pretty well but I just don't want to roll those dice for a child of mine.
I don't agree with your opinion at all and neither did anyone else for the entirety of humanity's existence until the 20th century.
and it's not worth living with a woman, they're too messy
We need to increase our profitability until we are legally required to break the law and enslave people in order to keep up with stock expectations!!!
Yes, it's called capitalism, you commie.
oh, so you WANT to be a slave.... got it.
Kids are a benefit all their own. A little baby, little toddler, their cuteness, is amazing.
It’s not practical concern, no one with a sense of decency would bring a child into the world as it is. It’s definitely a form of child abuse. We live in hell.
bring back child rape and child murder.
We can have as many babies if we really don't give a shit about them.
send all your weak sicka nd retarded babies out to die in the forest of exposure like we have in the past.
just make life so much a struggle that the only viable survivle strategy is to fuck and make babies as much as you can becuase your reptile brain is too activate to think about anything more that food fight flight freeze or fuck.
People used to have lots of children because there were no distractions like social media, video games, TV, music, etc. And there was no electricity so the only thing to do for entertainment in the evening was fuck. Also there was no birth control, divorces were difficult to obtain, and men could correctively beat their wives. And women didn't have more than a 6th grade education at best, meaning no careers, only child rearing. Breeding your own workforce was a part of it, but only a small part.
work is le slavery reeeeeee
People used to have lots of children because there were no distractions like social media, video games, TV, music, etc. And there was no electricity so the only thing to do for entertainment in the evening was fuck. Also there was no birth control, divorces were difficult to obtain, and men could correctively beat their wives. And women didn't have more than a 6th grade education at best, meaning no careers, only child rearing. Breeding your own workforce was a part of it, but only a small part.
people arent having kids because they cant fucking afford it and women have the total reign in courts because KIKES have destroyed the West.
Total war against kikes and the shitskin invaders theyve flooded the West with will result in a major baby boom.
People aren't having kids because of secularism, science has proven this. Religion is central to marriage and therefore reproduction.
Communism is slavery, capitalism is freedom.
It’s not practical concerns, it’s the simple fact that no one would bring a child into this world. It’s a form of child abuse.
We live in hell.
We don't need to educate the next generation, REEEEEEEEEEE
Also we need to require masters degrees to work at McDonalds. but only for American citizens.
we live in hell
If you live in a city, ya.
The real answer here is that the children of boomers (and spiritual boomers) saw how much their parents despised them and internalized that as a core thing before they even hit grade school. Their parents may have tried to hide it, but for example my liberal retarded father would let slip off handed comments like "if it weren't for you kids I would have never left the coast in California" while constantly lamenting day in and day out how he hates where he moved us to and how much he misses it. I internalized that while my mind was just starting to form.
As usual, almost every problem is distilled down to boomers/spiritual boomers/jews, karens/women, and weak faggots.
kill nigher
The solution to everything is simple
No its not, thats why politics exists.
nooo you dont get it kids need to sit 8 hours a day listening to propaganda or its heckin child abuse chud
People aren't having kids because there's no benefits to doing so. People used to have kids because it was a source of free labor.
this is how nihilists think. having children is great. There is nothing more peaceful than seeing your own children able to run around and sing and dance. There is only one response to it "I must be doing something very right". And there is nothing that you could be more proud of that to see your 4 year old encounter a problem, identify the problem and then select the correct tool to fix it.
If you see everything in this world as a transaction, give and take, then congratulations the kikes have corrupted you entirely. the greatest things in this life cost nothing, but so many people will tell you how expensive children are. Every last one of them has joined the death cult. Imagine having life and choosing to live as a dead man. fucking insanity.
wagie cope. we need an AI World President. AI can micromanage this planet like it's a game.
humans evolved to survive, not manage interstellar civilizations.
The West needs Islam. By this, I mean a sincere and authentic Islam from the soul of Western people. Islam is in your soul, it preserves your culture and heritage.
Islam is not a race, it is a religion. If you are say, Irish or German, then you will remain Irish or German as a Muslim and retain your ancestral culture.
Embracing Islam does not displace your culture, it purifies the land. Soberness, modesty, harmony, abundance.
I live in the Deep South of the USA. I can see how beautiful things can be if this land embraced Islam. It would heal so many problems and lead to harmony and happiness, abundance and peace.
Addiction, usury, zionism, these things plague this nation and prevent it from functioning and achieving, from moving forward. It has us stuck when we could be thriving.
Bring back the sanctity of family, bring back honorable wives and dutiful husbands, restore harmony and contentment. Bring the faith and practice of Islam to the West.
Nigger
Having children is its own reward
You nigger
I kinda have to jerk off.
No that's completely wrong. And you don't get to make a new thread for each idea that comes into your head.
you're right, we don't... we need the Educational system to actually educate our children, instead of indoctrinating them with corporate bullshit because of lobbyists.
Politics exist precisely because the solutions are simple.
guys work for no pay isnt a good thing
shut up commie
the days of troublemakers are coming to an end.
actually its poverty.
to which welfare and religion are the common denominator.
nigger you haven't been in pussy since the day you came out of one
The west needs to stop tolerating shit stirring troublemakers like kikes, commies and sandniggers
WTF are you talking about? You're always teaching your children. How you interact with your spouse, your parents, your family, your friends, strangers. There is a basic code of conduct, and if you don't want your children being shitheads the best way to do that is not be one yourself.
Education is quite simple. Teach them the basic symbols and then send them to the library. They will teach themselves how to read and write with a bit of guidance and help along the way.
You clearly have no children. They're certainly burdensome, but they are worth it. Nothing beats coming home after working 10 hours in the rain, snow, or sun to children screaming out, "daddy!" Before you can even take your boots off.
kind of ironic that the USA is the greatest economic power on the planet because of its consumer base.... and every single american corporation wants to erase that consumer base from existence, huh?
Systems larger than us that are comprised of us control us.
Make no mistake, the dominant species on this planet is not humans, its concepts.
State is one species, another is business, but it doesn't really matter. We move to their whim and they're just trying to maximize potential like any other organism. The horrible truth we have learned since the age of mass interconnection is that we're more like worker cells and not the actual organism. Maybe the larger organism isn't either, who knows how far this scales up.
those american corporations have become international.
indian CEO memes and all that jazz.
even more ironic, that due to legal personhood, and the codified laws about shareholder supremacy.... corporations are bound by law to attempt to undermine the freedom, and thus consuming power of Americans...
isn't it?
Workers rights are a good thing and protect the little man against many abuses such as unpaid wages and unsafe business practices. You clearly never had to deal with a labor dispute before or your the type that directly benefits from workers not having rights.
Which is to say, you're in favor of slavery.
We move to their whim
You CHOOSE to do that. If we were all automata under a higher organization you wouldn't need to rationalize this idea
I have no self determination.
Fuck you faggot.
I agree anon. THe whole cog in a machine meme has been going on for a long time.
The new beings we bring into existence are bigger than ourselves and exist in higher dimensions. the internet has made us all more focused on these greater entities like states and businesses in liue of the human expierence.
all those existentialst buzzwords became real and turned into legal entities.
this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water this is water
You guys are discussing Ted Kaczynski's concept called the power process.
Workers rights
This is code for communism.
Work doesnt exist in a vacuum its determined by supply and demand. Workers rights just offsets the real problem created by diluting the supply of labor through endless immigration. You wouldnt need workers rights in a closed system without endless labor as people simply wouldnt do the shitty jobs.
are you sure its something Foucault didn't come up with?
perhaps it was Dostoyevsky?
Kierkegaard?
Plato?
Its an emergent gestalt organism. Sort of an ancient concept but the two most popular works on the idea are Nick Land's writing and Meditations on Moloch.
It's not. You can be right wing and still support the rights of workers.
You clearly haven't been refused to be paid your earned wages as a skilled laborer. And it shows. Labor laws are in place to protect the little man against the larger business. Not only that, but labor laws ensure that contracts are upheld. A worker in employ of a company is under a contract and while there are unique pieces to each contract, the basis of paying wages should be upheld. Otherwise you will have the riots of coal miners and industrial workers of the late 19th and early 20th century. Those men fought and died for us to have those protections. And that's why they are. Laws ensuring that the employer uphold his end of the contract.
Incredible that many intelligent people discuss issues with the psyche of man.
You done being a cunt?
You can be right wing and still support the rights of workers.
No you can't. The right is about maximizing profit at the expense of workers.
And while I'm not saying that immigration isn't a problem, because it is for nativist workers. I don't think that solving the immigration issue would mean that workers rights should be done away with.
There is plenty of abuse of nativists by other nativists. A prime example of that would be the refusal to solve the immigration crisis. The powerful nativists gain from the constant influx of labor and the nativists worker suffers as a result.
Republicans want a lower age of consent.
They want kids to be forced farm workers.
They want homeschooling so they can enslave and abuse their kids or adopted kids.
They want to abolish CPS and dept of education so staff cant notice signs of abuse or neglect
EVIL.
If you don't know how to explain your objective morality without invoking "Faith", then you don't have an objective morality.
Not every right winger is a corporate bootlicker. Do you lack nuance? Can you not see how a man who wants a strong and healthy economy sees the importance of protection for the worker against exploitation? Look at the labor market today. Millions of able bodied young men who refuse to work because of the condition and wages they would be subjected to.
Lol. You're terrible at your job.
People used to have kids because it was a source of free labor
Oh don't remind me I used to have to do dishes for a family of 4 in elementary school, i'd never do that if I had kids unless they made the mess to begin with
the fertility crisis
No, it's not a fertility crisis. A social breeding population loses it's ability to rear it's young once selection pressures have been removed; there's no evolutionary advantage to raising your young, you transition from a K to r species and you devolve into bacteria. Though technically speaking bacteria are what in what if effectively perfect equilibrium with their environment. You have to restore selection pressure to fix it, either by increasing predation to significant levels or restricting the food supply. A combination would be most effective. The only other way is to basically remove the females ability to mate select and allow unfettered male breeding for a predetermined period to restore population stability, only the problem will return in short order as soon as female mate selection is restored
bring back child labor.
That seems like a great way to get Mao 2.0 anon
Not the image I was expecting, but 70% obesity in my nation tends to agree with you.
I'm for having teenage labor. I also would abolish high school, nobody gets anything from that. Real education stops about 8th grade. After that they should be free to work or go to college or both.
High school just teaches college basics and a lot of the time you get no credit. Some schools started giving college credit for some classes because it's so obvious all the high schools are doing is college basics material.
Total waste of time to have to do it all twice, or at all if you don't plan on going to college they're wasting the kids time.
It'd be better and more educational during the high school years to not have to go to school, but instead work a real job.
People stopped having children because now everyone is expected to work. If women during their peek fertility years are trying to climb a corporate ladder instead of raise children then you're obviously going to have a decline in child births. What makes things even worse is that women are hypergamous by their nature and will always select for a man who makes more money than themselves. In the modern sense this means younger women who overwhelmingly out earn younger men will select for older men who make more money.
People have been having fewer kids ever since effective birth control became widely available. This isn't something new. The birth rate didn't suddenly drop, that happened 50+ years ago and has been fairly stable ever since.
People used to have kids because it was a source of free labor.
No, people in the past had a lot of kids because people like having sex, and before 1965 not even married couples had the right to contraception. You got married, you had sex, the wife got pregnant and had a kid every now and then, it's just what happened.
I'm for having teenage labor
No, adult men should be happily labouring away so the young children may be afforded opportunity to learn and grow unfettered; to become devices of their own creation free from the contamination and stink of the crackheads downtown and the men doing so should be afforded the significance and worth which enable this great prosperity
But, no, instead we get a population trap described as a Country, shitty off brand cornpops, a bag of weed, and we have to listen to the neighbours have gay buttsex in the senate
How thrilling
I demand that women have my white babies and until that happens I devote my life to destroying this world and those who rule it. I swear to god I will destroy this world and those who rule it for preventing me from having kids.
BASED
If the world doesn't give you white babies, exact a cruel and terrible revenge against the world. Kill the world. Burn it to ash. If I cant have my white babies I'll stop them from having theirs.
Women do not want to get pregnant. Women can pick any man they want. Women do not have to be married to any man and raise the children on her own or with multiple fathers. Women are free to race mix
Women refuse to have children
Women who refuse to make white babies are witches. BURN THE WITCHES!
I went to work at 16 and wished I had been able to before then. High school was a complete waste of my time, yet at 16 I was having to do that with them giving me 8 hours of homework every night, while trying to work a job. I'd wished then that high school would fuck off and leave me alone I wanted to work and save money which I did.
But high school was in the way. And I resented my time being wasted because between that my job, I had no free time.
I had less free time then I've had as an adult.
It was freaking ridiculous. And I learned more at my job than I did at high school. High school was basically 100% a waste of my time. Anything they tried to teach me I didn't really retain anyways.
exact a cruel and terrible revenge against the world
What no just laugh and do nothing, you will win trust me
It doesnt scale up because its not real you schizo kike take your meds.
It’s completely unaffordable unless you live in a small town where I’m from. Rent is way too high, both parents have to be working, and you have to pay for daycare. Pajeets will take over because they have the upper hand. 2-3 families in 1 home, grandparents only had to work 3 years before they could retire with benefits, everyone works while they look after the kids. I know so many people that did this and they’re all considered just above middle class now. Now all 2-3 families own their own 1.4 million dolllsr home and 70k car.
No. Revenge is what makes life worth living. You find the people who fucked you and you fuck them 20x harder and then you enjoy their suffering. That's the only thing that makes life worth living is the suffering of my enemies.
went to work at 16 and wished I had been able to before then
Yeah I was working at 17 my self while attending high school, hadn't graduated because retard I guess Idk, nobody liked me anyways but I was renting an apartment (living with 2 girls lol) working and going to highschool at the same time. See, I had no idea. I thought I had it made, I had food in my fridge and my apartment was nicer than my alcoholic dad's barnshack thing loosely associated with a dwelling, so as far as I was concerned, I was living like a king. Time went on like this, roomates and jobs, but it wasn't so bad as working part time with 3 roomies you had a few bucks to spare here and there
Wasn't until after the 08' crash and suddenly I was in my late 20's before I realised I had fucked up big time, thought about getting into tech then tech crashed too and now i'm 30 something and fucked I guess. I'm just tired, you know? So much abuse and sadness, no prospects at life, no nothing like it's just brutal sometimes man. I have a good woman, blessed me be that
I did have a retail job that was something going for me, but it never ended up panning out after 4 years so whatcha gunna do
No. Revenge is what makes life worth living.
Literally just laugh and do nothing. It's the revenge. It will work, you will win, trust me
In Belgium (yes, I know), if you have four kids you are excempt from taxes and they throw money at you. This was fine as long as it was just us. Now you've got foreigners here who fuck like rabbits and don't have to pay for anything. It's the land of milk and honey baby. Come to Belgium, you'll love it here. The more the merrier.