NUCLEAR HAPPENING

Sounds like complete bullshit to me. Let me know when some of Elon's pipe dreams actually come true.
Also, gas this faggot

Lol sure

He's burning billions of dollars in taxpayer money, crowding out genuine scientific and technological advancement.

At least he deliver his electric cars.

Practically all vehicle companies are producing electric vehicles, many of which are much better than Tesla. And electric vehicles, in general, including Tesla, are not competitive against ICE. It's all a giant fantasy scam.

I hope Elon gets run over by a Tesla vehicle because the person was using the "full self-driving" bullshit mode.

By dropping it on Tel Aviv from orbit in one gigantic lump, of course.

This.
The very premise of asteroid mining makes no sense. Also its literally science fiction

How the fuck are you supposed to bring it back down to terra firma in a reasonable way though?

Refine it in space, drop the end product down in containers with parachutes into the middle of Aus.

Will they simply have to restrict how much they bring back in order to keep prices high enough?

they do exactly the same with gold and diamonds and oil and lots of things. and sure, once there are regular reliable deliveries of super rare materials it will effect the price, of course. so some mines shut down or they accept the lower prices. mines come and go all the time. jobs come and go just the same.

one single 500M water-rich asteroid would produce over $5 trillion worth of water

Wow!

for use in space

Oh, so it's actually worthless.

crowding out genuine scientific and technological advancement.

you have EDS pretty bad. have you not noticed that spacex kind of absolutely dominates the whole launch/landing of rockets business. nobody anywhere on earth can even get close.

It's cool, it's sci-fi and it makes prices of stocks go up before Musk sells... it was the same with semi truck, the hyperloop and to be fair virtually anything he announced.

Yeah but he was the first to sell it on the market, only after he did other companies start copying him as parcel.
I'm not defending him, there's several IF stuff around Elon, even the buy out of paypall from the original dev. like google did with youtube.
Or his never realize high-speed tunnels, I think that was more a political bureacrat problem than anything else.
And there's the reusable rockets, a first on the industry, not replicated yet.
Travelling trough space is easier and if it's a unaman mission, then it would be even easier since you don't need to worry about someone surviving deep in the solar-system with primitive technology, relatively speaking.
Mining asteroids is easier than landing on other gravity-induce spherical objects like the moon and mars.
Is just take time to reach the asteroid, then again we don't know which one he's aiming for, maybe he know one that will have a good orbital window to mine next year?

it will stabilize itself to what the market will pay for it.

Only Falcon has been a success. And most of those launches were for his own satellites for Starlink, and Starlink isn't even a useful/economical service. Spaceship has been a giant money sink, he promised success orbit launches many years ago n ow, and he still has to leave orbit.

He's spent multiple times the entire NASA budget.

Starlink has massive warfare and surveillance applications, specially the latter. I imagine this is why the American government has put so much money into this.

mercury is super dense with metal

also the planet closets to earth most of the time

send robots over there, setup mining operation

build refining and factory as well

solar power out the ass

send cheap metal back to earth

elon hire me

Yeah but he was the first to sell it on the market, only after he did other companies start copying him as parcel.

He wasn't the first. He was just the first to market them as some kind of luxury brand.

Mining asteroids is easier

You literally have no way to know this.

honestly you'll just be paying for the cost of getting shit into orbit, getting it over to point A, mining and hauling it back to point B, back on to earth
the actual abundance doesnt matter, just the fuel and time

How would they get that back into the atmosphere?

Mine these nuts faggot nigger kike!

He doesn't want to see all manufacturing offplaneted to space niggas decimating the world's economy outside of food production.

Although like others said , the logistics in mining would keep them as expensive as they are,,,
if we ignore that, the theoretical answer is....
There will be a blood rush
blood is the rarest mineral in the universe

Will they simply have to restrict how much they bring back in order to keep prices high enough?

Literally what they already do with gold mining. So yeah.

It's why despite being a gold miner I never advocate for people to hoard gold because we could 10X our output overnight. It's a fully manipulated market from the mines to the stock market.

Starlink isn't even a useful/economical service.

Starlink has been profitable for years and it's sure as fuck useful here and has certainly proven it's usefulness in military applications.

You're really grasping for straws to make your case and instead weakening it by going off half cocked.

Literally part of my plan. Mercury is the closest object to everything in the solar system. Instead of building a hopping base on moon we can build one around mercury

Then you drop a chunk of rock on earth, and it's literally free to mine it, no cost what so ever.

Our bullshit will be real this time. We promise.

I am a fan if it can help the environment a little bit.

elon

have literally any of his pipe dreams actually came to fruition? genuine question.

Starlink has massive warfare and surveillance applications

Such as?

You know that satellite surveillance, phones, tv, and internet have been around for a long time now right?

I imagine this is why the American government has put so much money into this.

It's called regulatory capture. The people on the boards are owned by Elon.

most of those launches were for his own satellites for Starlink

even if true, so what? they launch tons of stuff government and private projects, probably more than the rest of the world launches at all.

Starlink isn't even a useful/economical service

lol. ok. clearly nothing can break through your EDS irrationality.

He's spent multiple times the entire NASA budget.

prove that please, and maybe define what you mean. NASA gets about $25bn per year. spacex as a whole has received about $20bn for all US government contracts since 2005. if the company has spent more than nasas budget over 20 years then thats hardly a big deal in the scheme of things.

Seems like a pipe dream.

How do they land on an asteroid moving at hundreds or thousands of kilometres an hour far away from the Earth? How do they stop the asteroid from moving? How do they bring it back to Earth?

This has never been tried and it's all theoretical and seems impossible.

asteroid mining makes a lot more sense than going to Mars, but mining deep sea nodules is cheaper

The left scale is heavier

HYPE id

Hype is real

Woah, one more year.
Thanks tell trump that he's gay.

Isreal flag

Is real

Such as?

Capacity, conventional surveillance satellites can only focus on relatively small regions, a network of smaller satellites can cover massive areas, maybe the whole US surface, constantly.

This seems to be the only real usage, conventional military comn satellites are far better than this.

By "asteroid mining" you mean strewing more debris across the Caribbean?

WHOOPS WE ACCIDENTALLY DROPPED OUR ASTEROID ON INDIA OOOOPS SOWWWY!!

UMMM BIG YIKES SOWWY ABOUT THAT!!!

....OOPS WE DID IT AGAIN ON SOUTH AFRICAAAA!! OMG WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING LET ME CALL OUR GUYS REAL QUICK

YEP! JUST AN ACCIDENT OOPSIES!

no more oxygen to breath

great idea

Starlink has been profitable for years

Prove it. Show the financial statements that prove profitability.

sure as fuck useful here

What percentage of people use Starlink that couldn't also use other satellite internet services?

I live very close to the Arctic circle in a rural low population community and yet I can still get traditional satellite internet that's cheaper and better than Starlink.

usefulness in military applications.

Prove that it's more useful than other satellite phone/internet services that have been around for decades.

Increased global prosperity.

fully manipulated market

you can say the same for almost any commodity though. a farmer could decide to produce 10x his normal grain output but whats that going to do to the market and his income?

Starlink has been profitable for years and it's sure as fuck useful here

yes and yes. i see the antennas all over the place in rural places. its better then cell data, its better than dedicated high gain cell tower services, and its sure as hell better than GEO sat links. to claim its not useful is willful self deception at this point.

here is your mining ship bro ...

drop the end product down

I don't see how it would be financially viable to de-orbit some deep-space metallic satellite. The cost of getting enough fuel up there to actually get the lump giant lump on a return trajectory would be insane.

matching relative velocities isn't that hard is you have the fuel. they dont have to stop it moving. its been done before, though with tiny return samples.

its better then cell data

Starlink subscribers typically experience download speeds between 25 and 220 Mbps

5G provides superior speeds and lower latency compared to Starlink. The only advantage to satellites is remoteness.

memeflag

so, jew coward

pushing D&C on precious metals

economy is imploding

but somehow we will find the resources and money to build a nonexistent industry where every gram of material launched costs thousands

don’t buy gold and silver goyim

it’s worth nothing. Just let us have it all

it’s our divine right!

filthy Goyim!

Pic related.

Space is fake.

It's never been done before. Asteroid mining has never happened before. There's moon rocks but no asteroid rocks.

If it has and I am mistaken, please provide examples.

No, he was the first to release a product produce on a factory, not some exposition "concept vehicle", a one of a car car.
No, I've. Retard. Mining a orbiting rock with almost or no relevant gravity at all is way cheaper than putting someone in orbit or land on another body like those 2. That are totally useless you're fucking retard as fuck, now let me tell you why! Humans, and most animals on Earth evolve on Earth gravity well. What does that mean pleebit leaf-jeet?
It means that we cannot operate under a different gravity configuration and until gravity induce field technology is a thing, it will keep being a retarded larp unless you want to developed disease since your genoma was not forge under that gravity or even the lack of in space.
There's also the infrastructure to launch a craft.
That's why I said, unmanned mission.
You already waste a shit-ton of energy to get into orbit by conventional means and only a small vessel remains when they reach space, too ludicrous for any crazy moon-landing or mars-landing, in both cases when will need to have fuel to enter orbit again. Sure less gravity than on Earth, but they still need a boost.

any planet you poos colonise willl be colon-ised.

How do they stop the asteroid from moving?

The idea is to use tethers and thrusters to bring them into orbit around the earth, moon or a station.

How do they land on an asteroid moving at hundreds or thousands of kilometres an hour far away from the Earth?

Same way they dock with the ISS.

How do they bring it back to Earth?

Same way they bring anything back from space, land it, parachute it, drop it like it's hot. I've seen proposals for coasting the asteroids to survive re-entry and literally peppering the outback with them and just sending crews out to mine them.

This has never been tried and it's all theoretical and seems impossible.

Seems quite possible, just incredibly expensive, so much so it's simply cheaper to mine on earth.

even if true, so what?

It means billions more tax dollars being funneled into an unsustainable product to prop up SpaceX.

they launch tons of stuff government and private projects, probably more than the rest of the world launches at all.

Other than Starlink, the actual satellite market has barely grown at all. Falcon launches also cost almost the same amount as competitors.

Elon's business including SpaceX and Starlink have taken about $38 billion in taxpayer loans, tax breaks, grants, etc. Not to mention the subsidies which are $10 of billions more.

So Starlink has to spend billions to cover the whole fucking Earth when only a handful of tiny locations actually get value form it? That's insanity.

Mohammed is right.
Space is fake and gay.

except the average asteroid moves at 18 kilometres per second and there's not enough fuel on the rocket to slow it down or redirect it

To be fair, billions is not much for a project of this size, it'd have been better if the US invested the money upgrading it's ancient comn network instead.

There will be a blood rush

Always has been.

The only advantage to satellites is remoteness.

i know. thats why i said i see plenty of starlink antennas out rural. several of my neighbors have it, and we can all choose to use cell data if we want (i do). they say its great. full movie streaming, never goes out even in heavy blizzards, the whole deal. when schizos want to say thats not useful i dont know what else to tell them

just look up Osiris-REX. it only brought back 120g of asteroid but the principle is proven.

No, he was the first to release a product produce on a factory

There were still others before Tesla being manufactured and sold. The Nissan Leaf entered the non-luxury electric vehicle market before Tesla.

Mining a orbiting rock with almost or no relevant gravity at all is way cheaper

No gravity means you have to create your own gravity for things like chemical separation. It also means you have to manage dust and debris which will destroy your machinery.

It's never been done before and yet you think, without any evidence what-so-ever, that it will be cheaper/easier? Fuck that's so stupid.

Will they simply have to restrict how much they bring back in order to keep prices high enough?

De Beers did this to diamonds.
Niggers were picking them out of the sand.

you can say the same for almost any commodity though.

To some degree absolutely, but the degree of manipulation is far greater for gold simply because it's applications are industrial as well as economic. For example no one is stacking coal aside from Santa Claus. They're dumping it in power plants, not vaults. And obviously perishables like grain have a rather finite shelf life and thus value so you can only manipulate the market so much.

I don't see how it would be financially viable to de-orbit some deep-space metallic satellite. The cost of getting enough fuel up there to actually get the lump giant lump on a return trajectory would be insane.

Logistics is one thing, which in my opinion is very doable, the cost is an entirely different matter and I agree. The only applications where I see it being economically viable is for colonies without access to resources on earth, or nations on earth that have been cut off from those resources here. A century from now I can see both being a reality.

It means billions more tax dollars being funneled into an unsustainable product to prop up SpaceX.

what dont you understand about 'spacex has received about $20bn in government money for all contracts and projects since 2005'? thats less than NASA gets every year...over 20 years, and a lot of that was for launches, not for developing starship, which has, i think, maybe 4-5BN, mostly because of its intended use in Artemis missions. compare that to th $4.2BN they gave Boeing for the Sarliner...remember, the thing that fucked up and left those two on the ISS for months on end and probably wont do anything else, ever?

Falcon launches also cost almost the same amount as competitors.

what competitors?

$38 billion in taxpayer loans, tax breaks, grants, etc. Not to mention the subsidies which are $10 of billions more.

prove all that please.

subsidies

like what? you mean contracts?

handful of tiny locations

lol. you can get it anywhere the local governments will let you get it.

there is no tech to even do this yet, let alone spacecraft for it

a billion dollars and multiple years to bring back a quarter pound of rock?
lol

Uh oh there goes the price of gold
Maybe he and Trump are going to replace the gold Jews stole from fort knox

i guess the example of Spain in the 15thC has taught everyone that dumping 10x the total amount of gold you have on the market all at once doesn't really do much good for anyone. but a lot of countries do stack gold, and then sit on it. look at the chinks, they are famous for it, but many places constantly make large purchases too

DeBeers also collapsed because they couldn't maintain this scheme and ultimately lost the vast bulk of their market share. Forcing them to go private again.

Every single company that tried to monopolized a commodity has failed. Commodities, by their nature, are the hardest things to monopolized.

The first company to acquire a trillion dollar asteroid will have maybe a 10 year time period for excess gains. After this they will be swamped by competitors and the price of the commodities will plummet. The decrease in price will force companies to improve economies of scale and necessitate the development of an increasingly large and efficient space industry.

Interesting

proof of concept. as with making launch to orbit cheaper and routine, there are very likely ways to scale up asteroid material return while making it cheaper and routine. i dont see why not.

What will happen to my gold coins?

This.

except the average asteroid moves at 18 kilometres per second and there's not enough fuel on the rocket to slow it down or redirect it

What? Literally all you have to do is get something big enough near it and that will literally begin to redirect it before you even touch it.

I thought we couldn't leave the firmament?

When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

It wouldn't crash out as much as one think as long there's a monopoly, all current mines on the planet are fucked tho.

to be honest, probably not much. if gold goes down in price, demand will likely increase because its so useful. theres a lot can be done with it if its not costing you $4000/ounce or whatever. its also probably not going to mean much extra gold on the market for the rest of your life either, so i wouldn't worry about it.

This anon gets it. When the infrastructure is already built, the supply will continue to come in, prices will fall, enabling new uses for these materials that were uneconomical before.

No way!!! The liberals cant even figure out their dogs gender, while we the real non-racists are going to Mars soon! Have you seen elon musk changed his name to Kekius Maximus?! LOL! What asteroid coin should I invest my 401k?

After a chunk has been dropped, it must be mined... this doesn't become free due to magic.

bimp

We know you jews are the ones that push this and that's why you're hiding your flag

Dropped

There is no way in hell, any country, or the world at large would allow someone to intentionally drop a raw asteroid into the planet, if you want to harvest them you will have to do in space.

should we spend more money bringing back material at a loss, or should be spend less money bringing back material at a huge gain

Jeepers, I wonder which they will pick?
It's not this is a cartel action. You just don't spend money on things that aren't going to make you money.

How much does it cost to send each gran of equipment to orbit?

a billion dollars and multiple years to bring back a quarter pound of rock?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to sail a ship around the globe?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to move four wheels without a horse?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to have a single man fly 50m?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to fly hundreds of people across the globe with ease?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to fire a chimp into space screaming?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to fire a bunch of blokes into space screaming?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years to put a thing in space those blokes can live in?

lol

a billion dollars and multiple years and we're shitposting across the planet, something your grandparents could have never even dreamed?

It's metal, they don't need parachutes. They just go THUMP....THUMP.....THUMP.... as they hit the ground, yes, in a desert.

Am I supposed to get the neurolink to believe this is a great idea?

It's metal, they don't need parachutes. They just go THUMP....THUMP.....THUMP.... as they hit the ground, yes, in a desert.

A lot of the metals are soft enough that they'll vaporize on re-entry, so either you slow them down, stick them in a box, or spray a coating on them that's good enough to survive the ride.

7 bucks to LEO
10k to moon

It’s still a silly novelty and won’t change the price much. They just will pay themselves on the back, space-x stock will climb, and nothing will really change.

What percentage of people use Starlink that couldn't also use other satellite internet services?

Starlink is a billion times better than geostationary satellite services. I've used both. I only dropped Starlink this very month because a local company finally started servicing fiber in my neighborhood.
You legitimately have EDS and can only see bad things about him. You need to recognize this about yourself.

Even Musk promises to make it extremely cheap say it'll cost 1500 USD per gram in LEO.

For stuff that exists, 2600 USD is the cheapest price tag for a LEO launch ever.

Yep, mining begins in just 2 more weeks.

some kind of stripped down cargo version of a dragon capsule or something would do it. probably something less protective would be fine for say, refined bars of metal or whatever they envision their mining droids shitting out.

youtu.be/IiPJsI8pl8Q?si=sOENuGNFLUroaLrW
Just like this lying kike putted up a man on mars 3 years ago XD

lol

I don’t think you retards understand how people like Elon Musk get rich.
First of all, they lean towards a government partnership with whoever has the most potential to be elected as the president. They make private deals behind the curtain and when the candidate becomes the president, the grifter gets a budget from the new administration to kickstart his project. After he gets the funds, he makes a demonstration to the gullible masses in the form of a visual presentation of his project. When he gets all the money he can, he puts out some shitty product or a proof of concept that is barely functional or innovative unlike as he initially proclaimed. The fuss dies out and the grifter repeats the whole process again.

This is the most embarrassing post I've seen today

starlink isn't even useful

absolute lol. You are completely delusional

So a concept was posted by OP with an infographic, but where is the actual source saying they are going to start next year?
I kinda doubt it desu.

yes because all this technology really improved our lives and kept our nations homogenous and I'm so much happier than my grandparents who had big families and could afford housing

Electric shitboxes are scam

those niggers can't even put a rocket into space without exploding

The price per KILOgram is 1400$ on the falcon heavy and 3000$ for the falcon 9, the cheap prices are already here, we are past the saturn V prices.

bro what would I do if I couldn't get on the internet right now to waste my entire day arguing with strangers online

go outside? heh. ridiculous.

Roskosmos nukes his shitty "achievements" with their real ones

some kind of stripped down cargo version of a dragon capsule or something would do it. probably something less protective would be fine for say, refined bars of metal or whatever they envision their mining droids shitting out.

Yeap, and I guarantee they could do better than that. Even using a standard dragon capsule as the basis, no modifications, max cargo weight on re-entry is 3,000kg.

So lets say you pack it with Rhodium, that's $786,699,000 per dragon capsule.

Those aren't insignificant numbers.

He delivered the electric car, but I'm not be so sure of the "his" past.

7 bucks

It's actually 1400 USD Falcon heavy and 3000 USD for a Falcon 9

So, 1400 for a service that may or may not exist, and 3000 for a service that exists, not 7 bucks.

Do you know that stuff use fuel to move on space, so it's not just "launch and eventually it'll pay itself", how much fuel will be used to move a rocket (already in orbit) into an asteroid and toil it back, stabilizing it in orbit? If I remember right, around 7 grams of fuel for each gram of mineral.

Even if see assume that refining is possible and free, not even a pure gold asteroid will pay itself.

It's pure science fiction

Science doesn't care about your economy chud.

yes because all this technology really improved our lives and kept our nations homogenous and I'm so much happier than my grandparents who had big families and could afford housing

Well now we're having a different conversation mate, and one I whole heartedly sympathise with.

It's literally better to built seawater evaporation mines, and these are the least effective types of mines.

It’ll arrive just in time for the space elevator to return the minerals from LEO

its the EDS. it gets real bad sometimes. he's probably some 'elbows up' tranny.

hmmm ok. notice how its 'his' achievements. really shows you what the focus is here.

i just cant wait to see how the hell they are going to mine the stuff and get it auto loaded for return. thats getting pretty fancy. the step in reliability that is needed for such machines to work out there for months extracting even 3 tons of material is immense.

my dudes I appreciate your efforts here, but no parameters were included with the graphic, so you are making assumptions, for example your statement that L is heavier than R implies that the goal is to determine which side is heavier, which requires assumptions: a) there is gravity, b) it's evenly applied to both "sides" and so if we're making those assumptions and no others, then the fact that the sides are perfectly balanced on the point of that triangle means the sides must weight the same and there's some hidden variable on the right side offsetting the weight of the string, pingpong ball and air that it contains on the left side. Perhaps, for example the relative difference in water quantity or steel ball size/dimension is not measurable from the view angle of the graphic

Forgot reliability, even if we assume the machines are mechanically perfect and do not break, the amount of fuel needed will by itself make it extremely non-cost-effective.

i have an real question for the non-retards here. what do you think the implications are for the increased mass upon the Earth with space mining? if humans do this, there will be ever increasing mass of the Earth. How will the affect the rotation, the seasons, weather?

moshe shows up with the well-poisoning right on cue

We need someone to make a roll for space truck / space miner position

Okay but how do you move such vast quantities of minerals back to earth safely and effeciently?

how much fuel will be used to move a rocket (already in orbit) into an asteroid and toil it back, stabilizing it in orbit?

im really not sure that the idea is tow asteroids back to earth orbit anon. thats way more advanced than drilling out a few tons of material using a remote drone thing and launching it back here.

At what speed are most of these moving relative to Earth?

1pbtid
memeflag
image has nothing to do with X
no link

like i say, im not seeing that the idea is tow the thing back to earth orbit. there absolutely no way we're going to be able to that any time soon. its got to be about returning capsules of mined material from the asteroid which stays its it normal orbit

The price per kilogram into LEO is between 1400$ at the lowest (falcon heavy) and 14000$ at highest (SLS), AKA median is 7000$ per kilo or 7 bucks per gram as it is the price you asked retard.
The falcon heavy already went up 11 times, how tf you can claim that "it may or may not exist" we all saw it launch the fuckin car into space LIVE.

Requesting an astrophysisist to please explain to me why you would go out into space to mine the asteroids when you could just strap boosters onto them and crash them onto lets say, Israel, and then mine them there?

Uhh intelligent engineers will be able to create the advanced equipment they always wanted to buy never could because of orders of magnitude too little supply, thereby skyrocketing demand, brainlet

The fuel costs of moving the mining equipment to the asteroid are not small, and even if they were null, at 7 grams of fuel for each gram of mineral it'd cost more than gold costs to be purchased in the open market.

The key is, and has been for the past 50 years, to produce fuel in space, and no advances have been made on this, except for some Chinese experiments.

My friend, that's not for kilo, that's for a gram.

Loooooooool now this is the kind of fud I was talking about, at least pissraeli bankers are trying now. They finally hired someone to put in effort.

Here's the catch though, if central banking kikelets classroom that gold prices will drop because of this, can they explain who will absorb the cost of research and the logistics of getting into space to mine the gold and bring it back down? Lol who the fuck is going to pay astronomical prices for space gold when you can mine gold cheaper on earth?
God I love the level of retardation that comes from fudding precious metals.

The only way you'll keep your space probe cool in the VACUUM OF SPACE is thermal radiation, so how do you smelt rhodium ore in space without melting your probe, so you actually return 3 tons of valuable rhodium and not 3 tons of raw asteroid ore that is mostly wothless by weight and contains about three fiddy of actual rhodium in its bulk?
Asking the important questions.
Need a redox process? So you wanna launch the probe into space loaded with fuking coal and oxygen bottles? Maybe a nice nuclear reactor in the low MW range that the Brits are trying to commercialize right now would do nice in orbit... dumping waste heat from that behemoth is going to cost some miles of heat pipe

People who promote space mining are severely deficient in their understanding of natural science and technology. Space mining is possible, if you have antigravity engines or some similar scifi tech, but it is not possible with current and future technologies. The space mining meme is a type of stock market scam aiming at sucking money into impossible companies making insiders rich.

let get mining!

Since you are asking sincerely, the mass of the earth increases pretty dramatically with every year, more by far than any amount of recovered asteroidal mining material is likely to account for... we gain roughly 5200 tons of aggregated space dust annually and lose about 3000 tons of atmospheric weight each year for a net gain of about 2200 tons. However, that is such a tiny percentage of the overall mass of the earth that impacts you suggest (weather, rotation) take tens of millions of years to be measurable.

Requesting an astrophysisist to please explain to me why you would go out into space to mine the asteroids when you could just strap boosters onto them and crash them onto lets say, Israel, and then mine them there?

Minimum impact velocity for an unbraked asteroid is 12 km per second. Average impact velocity would be between 12 and 20 km per second depending on the asteroids orbital characteristics.

We are mining alien cum

what if humans are eventually able to "park" an asteroid on the planet for more efficient mining and this process continues for millenia

have you not noticed that spacex kind of absolutely dominates the whole launch/landing of rockets business.

The purpose of the whole SpaceX thing is to end the US dependency on Russian Soyuz rockets but America still uses Soyuz
Fun fact: Mutt Astronauts need to know some Russian to fly to space kek

The fuel costs of moving the mining equipment to the asteroid are not small,

it really depends on what the machine weighs and if starship becomes useful. thats going to drive down cost to launch for sure.

7 grams fuel for each gram mineral

i dont follow, sorry.

guess that depends on how pure the raw mined material is. they seem to think stuff can be found in very pure form, so many so hot processes needed. not sure about the drill though. active cooling is possible of course, maybe some kind of sublimation system but then that needs a consumable coolant so more mass to launch etc

captcha :Anogo

All that matters is what they get turned into.

Musk's entire space program is literally nicked from the DoD, including Starlink, which was dev'd by the DoD in the 90s, Musk is a cover for US military build-up in space technologies, AND EVEN FUCKING THEN 90% of his launch tonnage is his own Starlink.
No one who actually needs their payload on orbit risks launching their payload on his deathtraps. His engines use a rocket cycle that the Soviets tried and determined was too finicky and unreliable when they created the world's LARGEST HUMAN-MADE NON-NUCLEAR EXPLOSION until Musk's jeets reproduced the effect above Texas.

The Tesla car company predates Musk, who brought PayPal money into it, and grew into what it is through unfair government sponsorship, which would get any other brand barred from international markets, save for green deal star Tesla. PayPal also isn't his sole invention.

Musk is a front-man, not a technological nor an entrepreneurial genius. Stop fellating him, cuck.
Kanye is making an album called "cuck", but that doesn't make being a sissy cuck cool all of a sudden

Alright my monkey friend, do a little math exercise with me

It costs 70 million $ to send a Falcon 9 to space

It has a total capacity of 17.500 Kg

It usually goes with 17.000 Kg

Now, how much is the price per kilo?

Ok, that would actually be awesome. Asteroid mining is absolutely necessary if we want to survive as a technological civilization.

The other thing is killing off all niggers, but one step at a time I guess

America still uses Soyuz

i think thats just an old contract getting used up because its all prepaid years ago. spacex is clearly able to do it in country.

They're doing that exact thing already, especially with diamonds. So its not like they don't know how to go about it.

Mass * (Velocity^2)

We could steer an asteroid toward the earth, potentially, but they'd likely impact eachother at about 14,000 MPH. The energy required to slow the asteroid down to sync up is unimaginably vast, and would far outweigh the value gained. Mining and collecting only the desirable ore allows the possibility of recovering smaller payloads without destroying partial continents when attempting to land. We may also get lucky and find smaller asteroids more densely populated with desirable ore, but that's a needle in a haystack. There are tremendous gulfs of hundreds of thousands of miles between asteroids in the belt, so we'd have to target the larger ones (e.g. the ones we can see).

Any potential economic effects do not matter at all in the face of advancing humanity’s destiny towards the star and the protection of earth’s environment through the outsourcing of heavy industry into space.

Is that before or after the Hyperloop on Mars?

i just cant wait to see how the hell they are going to mine the stuff and get it auto loaded for return. thats getting pretty fancy. the step in reliability that is needed for such machines to work out there for months extracting even 3 tons of material is immense.

Reliability is going to be a killer, as is finding efficient means of dissipating heat without an atmosphere (perhaps that could be utilized for thrust or in refinement itself) we had our first 100% automated mines up and running in around 2015 here in Aus, so we've learnt a bit since then and I suspect any operation in space would operate very similarly to how we do Fly In, Fly Out work, only it'd be cunts fucking off for 3-6 month stints in space to oversee operations.

Cooling is going to be a pretty key issue. Tons of water in space, so i'd say build massive liquid coolers like they do on the ISS but just on a way bigger scale. At that point you're producing steam as well and congrats, you've got a power plant.

If you look at a sphere from different distances, you see different fractions of the surface. The ones where the continent is bigger are from closer.

You don’t have clean drinking water or toilets.
Stop raping lizards and worry about space later.

You have taken zero engineering classes.

it's a good thought, but see my related answer here: trying to slow down and asteroid to "park" it in earth orbit would be a fear far more impressive than anything humans have accomplished in our history. We've have to master some kind of paradigm breaking technology like antigravity, and if we had done so we'd be beyond the need to mine asteroids I'd think.

Ram accelerators ...

is literally nicked from the DoD,

sounds made up anon. why would they have spacex be the world leader in launches and self landing reusable boosters instead of NASA or something? and if its all from them, then so what really? what does it matter? i dont get this point (which lacks evidence)

90% of his launch tonnage is his own Starlink.

im not sure on the figures. could be approximately right i dont know...for some periods it might be 100%, but what does it matter?

No one who actually needs their payload on orbit risks launching their payload on his deathtraps

apart from nasa going to the ISS, private manned missions, and the numerous ride share launches which each contain between 60-120 separate satellites from as many customers?

Stop fellating him, cuck.

thats the thing you EDS types always think anyone opposing your shit is doing, because thats the only thing you can think of - ELON. I just care about the technology, and about the dumb ass lies EDS suffers spout as part of their malady.

Yes they do use Russian rockets BUT ...

Proceeds to cope

The point is that Space Twitter only begins to be able to manage what Soyuz has been doing since 1960s yet you make it look like Musk came up with some fantastic shit.
It's like some niggers managing to build a train in 2025 and then bragging about it

>Elon is such a massive lying grifter. Lol.

OP's picture doesn't come from Elon. It's from some company that Elon Musk has no affiliation with, who plans to buy a rocket launch from SpaceX.

In other words, Musk isn't the one who's lying. OP is.

first 100% automated mines up and running in around 2015

ah nice. guess theres tech support on site for fuck ups? stepping it up to make something drill without that support really is going to be a killer.

Roscomos' commercial launch business is dead after they made the decision to steal a bunch of satellites from OneWeb.

Full self driving by 2017
Your Tesla will make you $50,000k a year just by being a robo taxi

trying to slow down and asteroid to "park" it in earth orbit would be a fear far more impressive than anything humans have accomplished in our history.

How so? NASA yolo'd DART into an asteroid back in 2022 to alter its orbit.

If we can put things into space, get those things to collide with other things in space, alter the orbit of those things, isn't it just more of the same to part it in earths orbit?

Retard

It's funny how asteroids are airless rocks floating in the void of perfect vacuum even though according to the laws of physics everything would be a gas, and this applies to Earth, but only to the surface until some arbitrary bound called the Karman line.

ive not made anything about Elon at all. again, thats just what the EDS mentality causes you to think. stop thinking about Elon ffs.

only begins to be able to manage what Soyuz has been doing since 1960s

they land and reuse the soyuz boosters and and manned capsules? look, i know what you're saying anon, but spacex still leads in mass to orbit and has only been going for a short time. yes, the soyuz has been a reliable workhorse and thats great.

cope

its not cope. you try to say that muh they STILL use soyuz to go to space. sure. but thats just from contracts signed years ago before spacex was offering manned flight. its just a contractual obligation. thats all.

and where would the energy come from to change phase from solid matter to gas? that takes quite a bit of energy.

SPACE ISN'T REAL!!! THERE IS ONLY GOD, EARTH, AND THE FIRMAMENT!!! HANG YOURSELF, JEW LIAR!!! CHRIST IS KING!!! THE WORLD IS FLAT!!!

but America still uses Soyuz

And Russian Cosmonauts fly on SpaceX's Dragon. The crew exchange is mutual.

It's only been 10 years since he reliably got boosters there and back safe. He's already covered space with Internet. Give him a few more years.

That said, he has no competition other than bezos and his thot-rocket, so there's no urgency.

Where is the energy that maintains an asteroid's physical state. Second law of thermodynamics states everything decays into entropy. Also you debunked your own argument since Earth is supposedly suspended in soace but has no Energy to keep it from connecting with asteroids and the Moon instead of rotating like it supposedly does.

Yea mining. Pulling a few pebbles off an asteroid hoping to get something valuable. It costs way way more. What could go wrong?

midwit schizobabble has entered the thread... now start telling everyone about how having as gaseous atmosphere is impossible in the vacuum of space and other things that showcase your lack of education and intellect

ive not made anything about Elon at all.

You said

spacex kind of absolutely dominates the whole launch/landing of rockets business.

But you said nothing about Elon ?
Who owns SpaceX ?
You mention Elon in almost each of your posts

you try to say that muh they STILL use soyuz to go to space.

I'm not "trying to say" I am saying it and it's a fact

Going to an asteroid and back is significantly harder than launching a bunch of disposable satellites into LEO

see America "needs" Soyuz as much as Russia "needs" Dragon. You trying to spin this as some sort of failure by SpaceX is completely nigger-tier retarded.

Because America is begging them to do so
Russians absolutely never needed Americans to go to space
America relied on Russia for a long time and still does

ah nice. guess theres tech support on site for fuck ups?

Yeah of course, same for the automated dump trucks etc I tried to find some concrete numbers on how long it has, or could run for without any human intervention but no luck.

stepping it up to make something drill without that support really is going to be a killer.

Yeah, but I envision it having *some* human support, even if a lot is automated or remotely controlled. Really it's just a matter of cost. You've gotta launch more blokes into space, more equipment and spares parts. At what point that becomes economically viable is up to the accountants to decide. But we can obviously get people and things into space already. I've seen companies working on space forges. I think it'll probably take a decent grift to get the investment to really drive it all forward.

Retard

Buy us a drink first you flirt.

You trying to spin this as some sort of failure by SpaceX is completely nigger-tier retarded.

OK, imbecile, let's do this in baby steps
The other anon

SpaceX absolutely dominates

Me

It doesn't absolutely dominate (explains why)

You

WHY ARE YOU CALLING HIM A FAILURE

See, you are a regular Judeo American imbecile who thinks not dominating is like death but you haven't dominated shit in 40 years and you're still alive

its cold matter. its solid. it just sit theres until acted upon by either enough energy to change some of it to another state or it hits something and breaks up. how does 'entropy' cause it to become a gas?

Who owns SpaceX ?

i dont really care. why do you care?

You mention Elon in almost each of your posts

total lie. the only time ive mentioned his name is replying to someone else to remind them that its not about ELON. ELON ELON ELON. ITS NOT ABOUT ELON you faggot.. (and yes, i know your the flerfcroat, so i dont expect you to deal honestly with anything i say)

I'm not "trying to say" I am saying it and it's a fact

and thats not what i meant, obviously. thats why i included the 'muh' and then went on to explain what i did mean. yes, i know they do. but its not because spacex (ELON ELON ELON ELON) couldnt do it all. they could. obviously. you see that?

bro it's EASY to land on a pile of rocks that has essentially no gravity

bro we already sent DART which barely managed to change the orbit of these other space rocks, Musk will do it by 2026!

America relied on Russia for a long time and still does

thats quite simply a bald faced lie. but you are welcome to your wish fulfillment fantasy if it makes you feel better.

bro it's EASY to land on a pile of rocks that has essentially no gravity

Never said that

bro we already sent DART which barely managed to change the orbit of these other space rocks

Yes, that's literally what they did.

Musk will do it by 2026!

Never said that either, in fact I haven't mentioned Musk once.

Now buy us that drink you dirty little lying slut.

having manned asteroid mining really would be cool.

>It doesn't absolutely dominate (explains why)

ah, so you're redefining what 'dominate' means because it hurts your feefees. dominate just means that it does the most and leads the field in this context. and theres no contesting that. spacex (ELON ELON ELON ELON) does that.

thats quite simply a bald faced lie.

It's literally a fact that for years there were no other means of getting up there except by Soyuz but keep making shit up as you call others liars I'm sure it will work just like with Jews

SpaceX doesn't dominate the launch market because.... NASA does MUTUAL crew exchange with Russia

You are a nigger retard.

Checked. However, once they become plentiful real production can begin. Increased production follows increased supply, everything moves up. Mankind finally makes it to the stars as long as we can finally find the political will to remove the existential plague that is non-Whites/ Europeans

America still relies on Soyuz

Factually untrue. Dragon works fine, American astronauts AND Russian cosmonauts both fly on it regularly.

Hurts your feefees

Says he as he responds to my post to another anon

Kek what a little kike

SpaceX doesn't dominate the launch market because.... NASA does MUTUAL crew exchange with Russia

Lmao retard, YES EXACTLY

NASA does MUTUAL crew exchange with Russia

Therefore SpaceX dominates

Kek retard

give him a few more years

And a few more tens of billions of taxpayer dollars. And forgive his breach of contract by failing to deliver. Just keep giving him tax money.

A man went to the moon 56 years ago. This is ridiculous.

sounds made up anon

They don't even deny it on wikipedia, but you have to make the last connection yourself: microsatellites are a DARPA invention.
Musk's constantly-exploding raptor engines are taken from a shelved Soviet design from the 60s that the US purchased in the 90s.
They are doing it via Musk specifically because blowing up billions of dollars in the skies and on the launch pads would be untenable for the government, especially now when Trump is doing everything non-fascist-ly possible within the constraints of the system to stop the dollar-hemorrhaging.
SpaceX's contracts and launch tonnages have their own wiki list, it's endless Starlink launches (Starlink turned out to be a battlefield comma network in Ukraine, where you need low-latency internet all over the place for video transfer for FPV drones) and a few Japanese weather satellites, and supplies (no personnel) for the ISS.

Tesla was not founded by Musk, he bought them out with PayPal money and started calling it his own company, for which he got sued. However, because of Elon fanboy syndrome, the court ruled he can be considered a co-founder (even though he was not there at the founding, did not have any role in the company, and invested no capital before buying the whole thing outright). At best you could consider him the Schindler of electromobility, since he managed to sell that shit to the greens.

China gonna be punching air once the US starts getting all their rare earths from space, eliminating the CCP middlemen off the equation.
Also, incoming market crash if this is succesful because the surplus of various rare materials (and the usual gold and stuff) would be unheard of.

ive very very obviously never denied that. ffs. you really can't back down on a single thing even when you're hopelessly wrong. you just resort to twisting and lying . its very sad you know.

the point under discussion what you saying that the US RELIES on soyuz. it doesn't thats a simple fact. to rely would mean they have no other option. but they do....right? spacex (ELON) also launches, i think, all of the ISS resupply missions for the US.

>Says he as he responds to my post to another anon

is that not allowed now? if you say something stupid can't i reply too?

Lmao retard, YES EXACTLY

no, not exactly. when i said say spacex dominates i obviously mean mass to orbit in general, plus the reuse of launch vehicles and capsules.
you made a mistake in understanding. its ok.

Russia never needed America

America needed Russia and still does

Americans paid Russia to use Soyuz

Russians fly on Space Dragon because America begs them to

having manned asteroid mining really would be cool.

Makes me wonder how brown this board has become that as theoretical as it may be, few seem to share that sentiment.

the point under discussion what you saying that the US RELIES on soyuz.

No, imbecile
The point THAT YOU RAISED was that Space Twitter ABSOLUTELY DOMINATES but it absolutely doesn't
You don't even know your own argument, retard

when i said say spacex dominates i obviously mean mass to orbit in general

You're backpedaling now kek

Right after full self driving launches in 2015. I'm sure mining asteroids will be much easier than getting a car to drive itself on man made roads.

You're a moron if you don't think everything (((Musk))) does is just a sock puppet US government entity pretending to be a private corporation to trick investors and skirt the law.

Let's just pretend (((Musk))) runs multiple companies, plays games all day, and it just so happens all his (((expertise))) and (((vision))) lines up with the NWO agenda.

microsatellites are a DARPA invention.

again, what does that matter? i dont understand why this matters?

they use a soviet design

nope. using similar processes from something that never even ran is not the same as just copying an old design. did the russian example run on methane? and it was working fine on V1 ship.

a few Japanese weather satellites, and supplies (no personnel) for the ISS.

well its clearly doing a lot more than that. do you really think that spacex isn't launching people to the ISS...or private manned missions to higher orbits and also a polar orbting mission?

ABSOLUTELY DOMINATES

so tell me - which company/agency is launching more mass to orbit for the best prices, including refular manned missions for both the government and private entities?

You're backpedaling now kek

nope, thats all ive ever said. if you jumped in assuming i ONLY meant flights to the ISS, thats on you. See here, where i first said it and which you started replying to i quote

have you not noticed that spacex kind of absolutely dominates the whole launch/landing of rockets business

Lol what happens to the price of space metals when it costs billions to get into space and get it mined and back to earth? Lol do you really think all that extra energy spent on getting space gold will just disappear and no one will pay the costs? It's as dumb as saying they've found infinite oil on Mars, you need the oil on earth to fucking get to Mars and back.

theres too much 'space is fake wahhh' and 'OMG ELON ARRGH' bullshit jumps into threads about any of this stuff. is it just schizos or just people trying to ruin normal conversations? i dont know. look how much seethe EDS causes all by itself just in this thread alone. insanity

which company/agency is launching more mass to orbit for the best prices,

Russians because they pay zero for it while Americans have to pay for both

thats all ive ever said.

That's not what you said at all until you started backpedaling

costs billions to get into space and get it mined and back to earth?

well thats the run isn't it. can it not cost that much? we known about what launches cost so it all comes down to developing and building the machines to mine and return the stuff. but it seems like if you can make that work, the returns could be fairly good, looking at rare mineral prices.

It doesn't matter how expensive it costs to source you retard. Like all commodities the most important factor is supply. It's a non viable endeavor

Russians because they pay zero for it

for what? i dont know how the russians fund their space program. general taxation? do they make their own money somehow? nobody launches rockets to space for free anon, be serious. someone is paying.

That's not what you said at all until you started backpedaling

it clearly is. i showed the post where i said spacex (ELON) dominates and where you jumped in (i was talking to another anon by the way, and you jumped in. remember how you didn't like me doing that). where did i say spacex (elon) dominates launches to the ISS? i didn't, did i? Can you admit that? go on, it'll do you good.

i said they could do it all, and thats obviously the case since they have a functioning manned space flight program. they DONT do it all for contractual reasons, and some kind of desire to swap astronauts around between the two countries. maybe its just a political thing, i dont really know.

'The ultimate goal of the project is to send robotic spacecraft to intercept celestial bodies like asteroids and comets in deep space and then use them to develop fuel,' Space
X CEO Elon Musk announced in a post to his verified Twitter account on Monday

Use lazers and magnets to separate valuable materials from asteroid

Dump useless materials

Get to earth put valuables in a disposable pod

drop it from orbit into wherever it needs to be processed

Seems doable. Empty pods used for reentry could be sent up in large numbers by starship or the falcon 9 actual mining equipment would stay in space.

This is what I've been telling people

Don't buy gold, there's a reason the rich are buying up land on the surface of the earth, it's the only future proof investment

Use lazers

energy and heat are really going to be downer for this whole idea.

magnets

how do they work?

china just reached its all time high gold reserve of 2300 tons anon. most countries are stashing what they can. land for sure, but lets not deny that gold seems to be in demand

i dont know how the russians fund their space program. general taxation?

No, they charge Americans for seats on Soyuz

someone is paying.

Kek yes, American tax payers
For Soyuz and Space Keks

where did i say spacex (elon) dominates launches to the ISS? i didn't, did i?

Neither did you say "mass to orbit" until you started backpedaling
You said "absolutely dominates" well you're proven wrong

they charge Americans for seats on Soyuz

oh yes of course. i know that. ive been talking about contractual agreements the whole time

Kek yes, American tax payers

so the US is paying for russians to fly on soyuz and for the rest of the Russian space program?

Neither did you say "mass to orbit" until you started backpedaling

for the last time anon, look at this simple reply string and then we're done arguing with your autism:
I first mentioned spacex dominating here:

have you not noticed that spacex kind of absolutely dominates the whole launch/landing of rockets business.

i didn't say a damn thing about getting to the ISS. just that the company launches the most and reuses the boosters - launching/landing. get it?

You replied for the first time here
Where you moved away from the general 'launching/landing business' to the specific of getting guys to the iss. we then went back and forth about that for a bit. you ignored several things like soyuz being a fully expendable system, but we can let that go.

So, where exactly did i say that spacex dominates getting people to the ISS? I didn't. you just took my first general statement about the 'launching/landing rockets busines' and focused on getting to the ISS.

Fuck. this is exactly what you do every fucking time i bother talking to you. on every single point. you want to imagine youve found a flaw it what i say then never ever acknowledge your error. its pretty sad anon. admitting error is good for you.

Now, do you deny that spacex (elon) dominates the launching/landing business?

The thing im referencing is called "optical mining" and the main company behind it is called TransAstra it's technologically in a very early development phase.

oh ok i see what you mean now. seems like they want to use it for water mainly, or at least at first. looks interesting.

If elon promises something will happen next year, it will happen. Elon never breaks promises or gives exaggerated expectations.

FREE ENERGY. FREE SOCIETY . KARMA BASED ECONOMY

asteroid mining requires world wide UBI

ITS ALL ABOUT ELON lol

What percentage of people use Starlink that couldn't also use other satellite internet services?

Sure let me go pay hughesnet $250 a month for 15mb and 1gb data cap when I can just use starlink for $120 a month with 400mb and no data caps.

Space shit is such a cope. We're never going to live on other planets. Waste of time and money. We should be focusing on making earth paradise, but instead we're stuffing 400lb niggers on life support full of fried chicken.

memeflag hyping up a meme company

Only retards are going to believe this, but only retards care about SpaceX so I guess the entire community must be ecstatic over this blatant lie.

I don't know

oh yes of course. i know that.

More backpedaling

Where you moved away from the general 'launching/landing business' to the specific of getting guys to the iss.

As if going to ISS and back isn't launching and landing

you ignored several things like soyuz being a fully expendable system, but we can let that go.

You said nothing about expendable and reusable systems. If expendable is more efficient then so what

you just took my first general statement about the 'launching/landing rockets busines' and focused on getting to the ISS.

No, I took your ABSOLUTELY DOMINATES statement and dismantled it

Now, do you deny that spacex (elon) dominates the launching/landing business?

Soyuz has more missions to the place where Space Keks didn't go so often so total Space Stations score is the absolute Soyuz domination.
Elon might be launching useless rockets around all day but those get no work done so he doesn't dominate shit, he's like a kid toying around with American money

Read that they will dock with metallic asteroids by using magnets. Fucking brilliant

It gets cheaper. The price of a flagship phone will go down from $900 to $200. Battery prices will go down 70% or more.

>I don't know

in general i dont know how the russians run their space program. i know that the US pays for seats on the soyuz.

As if going to ISS and back isn't launching and landing

it is part of the business. spacex (elon) dominates that business in general simply by launching more mass to orbit that the entire world combined for several years now. thats what i said.
where did i specific manned flight to the iss?

You said nothing about expendable and reusable systems. If expendable is more efficient then so what

i did >more efficient
its not. thats why spacex launches are cheaper and happen more offten than any one else. but fine, if you want to say fully expendable is the future you are welcome to your opinion.

Soyuz has more missions to the place where Space Keks didn't go so often

strangely that because because, as you said, its been running since the 1960. it has a head start.

i think im finished pretending that you're not trolling now. see you later croatflerf

Lab made gold is closing in fast. China turns copper into gold for about $40k an ounce and uses it in their electronics process.

I wouldn't invest in gold to be honest. It will be like the natural diamond industry...it's not gonna survive technology.

As far as Bitcoin. Shit is pretty gay too . Best investment is and will always be real estate

i did

When I started backpedaling

That's what I'm saying

whatever you say

This is fake.
Cold fusion transmutations already exist, but the bankers don't want to release this knowledge that would destabilize the economy, so it is supressed instead.
They will produce precious metals via cold fusion techniques, and claim it is asteroid mining to keep up the fake space charade.

China turns copper into gold for about $40k an ounce

source?

Your concession is duly noted

Tesla's supposed to have had full self driving for like 10 years now kek

your inability to see whats plainly written is noted once again. see you later croatflerf

space is fake and gay and anyone who believes "spacex" is doing anything in "outer space" is a retard