Why do rational people believe in something totally irrational and illogical like atheism?

You believe an all powerful cosmic Jew came from nothing.

Where did your God come from?

Always existed. Eternal is much more logical than nothing turning something than turning nothing again.

>If he doesn't need a beginning, why does the universe?
Because the universe is a thing and not a being. It can't create itself. If you create something it must be different from you.

Pretty sure the consensus is that humans evolved over billions of years

Big bang theory was formulated by a Christian

They were never about rationality, they just love Star Wars and Science™ and be edgelords against God. I don't get this mindset either, but God told us that this would happen. He is always right.

2Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Don't forget the ocean going fakasaurus rexs that all died out in the nuclear meteor blast that also didn't kill the feesh

jesus was a jew and you are monkey (who worships a jew)

Eternal is much more logical than nothing turning something than turning nothing again

Okay, so why can't the universe be eternal?

Because the universe is a thing and not a being

Why is that relevant?

It can't create itself.

You didn't argue God "created himself."

Christian

No.

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Okay, so why can't the universe be eternal?

It could be but we know it is not. We know that the universe had a beginning, has a middle and will have an end. The universe does not have the same properties of a creator. It is an object and not a subject.

>Because the universe is a thing and not a being

Why is that relevant?
Because a thing can't create anything but a being can create.

You didn't argue God "created himself."

He is eternal and don't need create himself because he always existed. It's just a fact that we have the Creator and the creature; Spirit and matter; Infine and finite and they are different from each other and cannot be equated.

we know it is not. We know that the universe had a beginning, has a middle and will have an end.

How so?

a thing can't create anything but a being can create.

A "being" is a "thing" in the strictest sense of the word.
Pedantry aside: pressure, heat, and carbon can create a diamond. Those three things are, ostensibly, things and not beings. So your core premise is wrong.

He is eternal and don't need create himself because he always existed

Again, why can't the universe have "always existed?" What makes you so sure it had a beginning?

"god"

dog spelled backwards

you are literally psyop'ed with a language of lies - curses even

ancient written spells are always forward and backward for their alpha and beta

you worship the "dog" alpha with every prayer

dont use their language

We know that the universe had a beginning

We don't know shit.

3/10 bait

atheists are utter retards.

How so? This is observable.

A "being" is a "thing" in the strictest sense of the word.

A being is something eternal like the soul we have. A thing is something finite without soul. Humas are beings, rocks are a thing.

Pedantry aside: pressure, heat, and carbon can create a diamond. Those three things are, ostensibly, things and not beings. So your core premise is wrong.

This is precisely the transformation of energy; nothing was created; the object simply transformed into something else by the laws of the universe. It is the same as a sculptor transforming a stone into a sculpture; in reality, he did not create it, he only transformed it.

Again, why can't the universe have "always existed?" What makes you so sure it had a beginning?

If you observe the universe you will notice that it is changing and that it is moving towards an end.
The only thing you need to understand is that there is more than just matter and we, living and rational beings, are proof of that. It is a logical fact that we are not the same as stones.
Einstein also believed the universe was eternal and he was proved wrong.

See pic related.

Maybe it's because you're ignorant? It's only Right Christcuck ignoramuses who believe that Something came from Nothing!

This is observable.

In what way? Why are you being so obtuse about this?

A being is something eternal like the soul we have

You have yet to provide evidence of a soul.
A "thing" can mean anything, hence the etymology of the word "anything."

This is precisely the transformation of energy; nothing was created; the object simply transformed into something else by the laws of the universe. It is the same as a sculptor transforming a stone into a sculpture; in reality, he did not create it, he only transformed it.

By this metric, we have not observed anything capable of creation, "being" or not.

If you observe the universe you will notice that it is changing and that it is moving towards an end.

The universe is expanding. That's all we observe. It does not follow from this that it will have an end nor that it had a beginning. The big bang wasn't even necessarily the beginning but rather a thing that happened.

Einstein also believed the universe was eternal and he was proved wrong.

What Einstein was proven wrong about was a static universe.
The universe is changing. We can observe that.

Saying we came from nothing or that an explosion from nothing created us or that rocks turned into men are anti science.

christcucks: God created Earth 6000 years ago and then every human and animal

adult people: Earth is 6 million years old, evolution exists and we can prove it

christcucks: oh yeah God created evolution too, isn't he amazing

Yahweh worshippers are just as retarded

Yeah, all Pascals wager is is saying to a person " if you're wrong about this thing that happened 2k years before you were born you're gonna be tortured forever. Praise Jesus, lol" yeah that really inspires somebody to adopt your belief system

All the experts cosmologists agree the universe will end.

You have yet to provide evidence of a soul.

Read Plato and Socrates.

By this metric, we have not observed anything capable of creation, "being" or not.

Many miracles happened and happens. This is the closest we have come to observing the divine. The divine is in creation itself and cannot be seen unless it wants to reveal himself. He has revealed himself to everyone in the figure of Jesus Christ, but many have chosen to not believe.

God created Earth 6000 years

Nowhere in the holy scriptures there is this number.

If your IQ was north of 70, you'd know that ((( eterrnal ))) is an irrational idea, not a rational one. It is a cognitive dissonance to claim everything has a cause, then carve out the most massive exceptions imaginable for all your supernatural beings. Claiming your magic sky daddy can only exist outside the universe, you prove your gods can only exist in gaps.

Believing in irrational beings is irrational. Not believing in gods is the least irrational postition

All the experts cosmologists agree the universe will end.

No they don't. Even "heat death," which is a bit contentious, wouldn't really be an "end."

Read Plato and Socrates

I'm well aware of their arguments. Which do you find most convincing and I can explain to you the flaws.

Many miracles happened and happens

Example?

The Big Bang was a hypothesis that is now supported by corroborating evidence from other sources. Your bone-jarring ignorance of science notwithstanding, it is a superior explanation.

Funny how yahweh "wants to save everyone", and just fucks around in the desert with a bunch of cousin fucking heebs for thousands of years in buttfuck nowhere murder hoboing. Appears to a actual civilization for one tour, then back to doing nothing but making cosmic death threats.

Many miracles happened and happens.

They follow a very predictable pattern

Atheists are not rational.
Every intellectual that isn't religious agrees in the concept of a higher power, but they can't reconcile this with religion because of dogma.
As an example, Pope Francis was an actual retarded commie who committed apostasy countless of times, yet Catholics had to respect him.

Forsooth, my #1 atheist argument/talking point lately is just -- humans are liars.
That's it. Humans have lied and lied and lied and lied so much it naturally concludes gods, devils, deities, entities are also lies.

If the theist is lying to your face, about yourself, which you know is not true... then they are lying about telepathically communicating with entities or deities. The entire charade is to lie about these entities until you give them something, give up power or control or resources too them.

That's why they get angry, upset and emotionally charged when you disagree with them over the existence of their deities -- because that means they can't control you with them. If they can't use "hell" and "muh devil" to scare you, they have no power and are forced to actually negotiate with material reality.

Who said that "nothing exists"? This is a contradiction in itself. "Nothing" has no ontological quality, it can't exist. The correct statement would be that the antecedent of the universe is "undefined", that we can't know anything about it. We rational atheists proportion our belief to the evidence. Theists proportion their belief to their desires.

Well, if the universe is expanding and and accelerating it means it is going to an end.

I'm well aware of their arguments.

The problem is that you want material evidence for something that is immaterial. I'll tell: you will never be able to develop a good spirituality if you are not open to the life of Jesus Christ.

Many miracles happened and happens

The life itself is miracle. Christ did many miracles untill today, many diseases that were incurable by science and people were cured by faith and many other things that no one can explain.

The big bang theory is the opposite of atheism. It was invented by a catholic priest named George Lemaitre. And "atheists" believe it because they belong to some church. Trolling the retards out of them was definitely not our brightest move.

Every intellectual that isn't religious agrees in the concept of a higher power

"Higher power" is a vague religious term. And Hume, Nietzsche, Popper didn't agree with any wish-wash like this.

i mean, evolution is much as bullshit as the big bang but so is some nigga multiplying fish and bread, and turning piss into margaritas.

Well, if the universe is expanding and and accelerating it means it is going to an end.

No.

The problem is that you want material evidence for something that is immaterial.

I can't say for certain the "immaterial" exists beyond the pedantic "ideas aren't material" sense.

I'll tell: you will never be able to develop a good spirituality if you are not open to the life of Jesus Christ.

Who said I'm not "open" to it?

many diseases that were incurable by science and people were cured by faith

I am unaware of any case of this actually happening.

If all humans are liars so who is saying the truth? I believe that Christ said the truth and we can trust in him.

If the theist is lying to your face, about yourself, which you know is not true... then they are lying about telepathically communicating with entities or deities. The entire charade is to lie about these entities until you give them something, give up power or control or resources too them.

A ''theist'' has no reason to lie to you. He just wants to show you the truth, he doesn't want to control you because he knows he can't do that because he knows that he is submitted to a higher power.

That's why they get angry, upset and emotionally charged when you disagree with them over the existence of their deities -- because that means they can't control you with them. If they can't use "hell" and "muh devil" to scare you, they have no power and are forced to actually negotiate with material reality.

They don't want control you but they just free you to repay when they were also slaves.

Hume definitely believed in a higher power.
Nietzche never lived how he preached and died bitter, lonely and insane because he only fucked prostitutes. Thus he wasn't able to achieve his main reason to be an atheist, "the Will to Power" utlimately showing that one's entire life is fruitless without submitting himself to a higher purpose.
Popper admited that everyone, including himself, believed in a higher power.
Maybe actually read the authors you use as a reference next time.

This is why we laugh at believers. The formal name for the Big Bang is the theory of Cosmological Inflation. The scope of the theory starts at the moment the existing universe begins expanding. It makes no claim about what might have existed before the expansion beings. It does not posit whether the universe always existed or had a beginning. At the other end of the inflationary scope is heat death, because we can only speculate what might happen then.

Right now the universe is expanding, and it's acceleration. Andromeda galaxy is heading our way and it will collide with the Milky Way for billions of years. This makes terms like "never", "forever", and "eternal" meaningless.

This is why we laugh at believers.

But believer is you:

Right now the universe is expanding

It is not, but it's easier to fool a man than to convince him that he was fooled.

Andromeda galaxy is heading our way

Yep, the contradictory paragraphs is the must for every religion.

No.
How not?

I can't say for certain the "immaterial" exists beyond the pedantic "ideas aren't material" sense.

Ideas are not a material thing. A friendship is not a material thing, a love is not a material thing. Many things are not material.

Who said I'm not "open" to it?

If you were open, you would seek to know him and know why he came into the world, which was precisely to announce the spiritual kingdom.

I am unaware of any case of this actually happening.

There many and many cases. I will mention one I know. Henrique Mecking, brazilian chess champion, had an incurable disease (myasthenia gravis). The doctors thought he would lose all movement and die soon but he held on to faith and was completely healed.

myasthenia gravis

The prognosis of that disease is usually quite good.

No.

How not?

Why would it? Even in a heat death scenario, the universe doesn't "end." It just gets progressively more empty as the same amount of stuff is dispersed over a wider volume.

This makes terms like "never", "forever", and "eternal" meaningless.

This mindset will only lead you to nihilism (which was proven not being good).

Brown catholic hands typed this post.

Which is more valuable to you, your Earthly life or your afterlife?

Why would it? Even in a heat death scenario, the universe doesn't "end." It just gets progressively more empty as the same amount of stuff is dispersed over a wider volume.

So you just does not know. You have faith it will not end. Now that you see you have faith, you should reconsider to know more spiritual things which are only known by faith.

Sure my afterlife, it's eternal. It doesn't mean I don't like my life.

Am the result of a god who is so retarded that he sacrificed himself unto himself to save us from himself.

All bow before the cosmic mong

So you just does not know.

Correct.

You have faith it will not end

Incorrect.

Let's go over the core argument thus far:

You argue that atheists must believe "something came from nothing."

I argue that's not necessary.

You respond saying the universe is not eternal.

I respond saying we don't know that.

You agree with me in saying we don't know either way.

Congrats. We're on the same page. We don't know and that makes your original argument trash.

This one life we have on Earth is more valuable to a non-believer because it is the only life he has.

The believer doesn't value this life as much as the non-believer, because he values his imaginary "afterlife" more.

Who is the existential nihilist now?

it's eternal

It only confirms that it is void (a fancy way to say that it doesn't really exist, unlike your earthly life)
Either way, the wisest path is to live the life as if it's the only thing you'll ever have, yet to live it in a way not concerning those who are watching you. Soon total and openly accessible video surveillance shall make it even more true so, so it's not the worst advice to prepare to it and act as it is already happening, especially because it is.

It was not to save from himself but from the Devil and the Death.

what about how a car looks different depending on which angle I view it from???

Congrats you're on your way anon

Why do rational people believe

Which God? Hindu's probably have a 1000 or so. What about Zues?

Where did your God come from?

"Your God" has always existed. He didn't come from anywhere

If he doesn't need a beginning, why does the universe?

Nobody says it "needs" a beginning. Cosmologists about 130 years ago thought the universe had no beginning and always existed.

Why are all your "best" arguments against atheism strawmen?

You literally just strawmanned what Christians believe...

He intelligently designed all that complicated shit and then sacrificed himself to himself to circumvent the law he made himself.

It makes no claim about what might have existed before the expansion beings

Wrong. Robot wheels science man said nothing existed before the BB pic related

Why is magic sky daddy more reasonable than evolution? You have seen brazilians so you know there are different evolutions of human.

FIFY

than a desert kike riding a mule from 2k years ago allegedly, is my god

kek, not really. is a way more clean proposition than fucking desert fairy tale that kikes made it up thousands of years ago and you as a mutt are a fruit of it.
The reason why you feel the necessity was because you exist because of that, the impulse of mixing of the abrahamite.

Maybe not as many evolutions in Brazil.

Well, not really. I know by my faith the universe was created. The original argument was that this can be proved by logical means as well. I said God is eternal and you said that the universe can be eternal as well (which we agree). Altough the universe can never end it will centainly die like a car without fuel because it is expanding and accelarating. Well, God will never lose energy because he does have infinite energy unlike the universe. We are not in the same road.

No. You are the irrational one.
You are a magical thinker with throwback genes.
At least atheists rationally come to their beliefs via examination of the physical, material Universe and Nature.
Even some New Agers can explain their spirituality beliefs in a material, physics-based way.
But most cults/religions lack rational, reality-based ideas and rely on "feelings."

No, because the afterlife is just a expansion from the life here so you don't die and start a total new life you still keep things from the life you had. So believers value the life but don't sacrifice the afterlife for the life.

Exactly, fellow agnostic anon?
Brainlet take as smart. When you're stuck with retarded believes it becomes harder to take.
But I still think there's merit in some religionous practice, but it should be "trim" down by science, taking the worthless crap away like donation and political movement crap where they import millions of shitskins everywhere to satisfy their role-playing larp while destroying communities everywhere to also enact their own delusion of a fairy tale.
But only when people decide to treat ideologies too as noxious to society and thus banning things like marxism, well, mainly marxism and all the derivatives.
Probably involving banning the logic behind it that is pure nonsense, but science will pussy out and all philosophy classes in the world as tainted with marxism for the most part, at least on my shithole.

well for starters atheism doesn't have a (((church))) collecting gibs from retards who believe in it

has a begin

false, made up shit by christcuck priest that astro-tards run with despite having almost no prove of it at all.
Normies christcucks should stay away from 4chin, but alas, kikes, globhomo and glow niggers ruinned this place with christcucks, trannies and jeet shills.

I know by my faith the universe was created.

You believe it.
It's a rationalization to pretend you ((( know ))) it when clearly it is not "knowledge", but an element of faith.

God will never lose energy because he does have infinite energy unlike the universe.

You are just making that up

those are all the same Satanic religion

gets proven wrong

copes

When your mother says she believes your basement bedroom is dirty, do you get pissy and say "ACKSHULLY mom you lack a belief my room is clean!!"?

The wisest path is the truth way. Living a life where you have hope, love and sense. Avoiding going to hell but also having emotions. "All things are legitimate [permissible—and we are free to do anything we please], but not all things are helpful (expedient, profitable, and wholesome)."

My post was not a strawman. It was a direct response to OP's argument. Which he seems to agree is an accurate representation if what he believes given the engagement we just had.

You christian retards literally caused atheism because your the dumbfucks who started questioning the validify of other gods then once some christians began questioning Yahwehs validity atheism happened.

shape shifting monkeys

brazil

I know by my faith the universe was created. The original argument was that this can be proved by logical means as well.

You have not provided any "logical means" to prove the universe was created.

How so? This is observable.

Wrong, you stupid fuck. You're only talking about the beginning of the current universe. You have idiots saying there is a multiverse, and other idiots saying when the universe expands it will collapse on itself and start over again, then other idiots talking about a fucking donut universe.

I teeter back and forth. Like all humans, I greatly desire something to be there after we die and not just a final ending. But, I really don't think there is. The universe is beyond our comprehension just in scale alone, any thing could be out there.

You really need much more faith to believe that nothing become something

No one believes that

Remember the only difference between Religion and Atheisms is that Atheisms only asks you to believe in one unexplainable miracle.

Originally no humans gave a flying fuck about whos god was valid or whos schizo headcanon on the world made sense then the monotheist shit in Persia happened causing the start of atheism.

no it asks you to believe in more; such as life being created, sentience, etc

You are just making that up

The First law of thermodynamics - Universe has a finite energy. God has infinite energy. Period.

Atheisms

Is just a lack of belief in God or gods. I don't ask anything of you unless your making a claim about God or gods being real

Christianity is fundamentally different from every other religion. In every other religion, the idea is that the people do certain rituals or make certain sacrifices or chant certain incantations or whatever, and these actions will please the god(s) and in return they will reward the people who performed the god-pleasing actions with good health or a fertile fields or a long life or lots of kids or smiting their enemies or whatever. Ritual leads to reward.
And despite what atheism midwits and other anti-Christian people who don't actually understand what Christianity means might say or think, that is not how Christianity works.
The Christian God offers the reward upfront, for free to anyone who wants to take it. Humans are inherently flawed sinners, too imperfect to ever achieve salvation though rituals or actions alone. However, the all powerful Christian God forgives the sins and provides salvation for anyone who wants to receive it.
The saved Christian will then choose to live a good, righteous life and will choose to try to avoid sin as much as possible because it's the right thing to do.

you don't die and start a total new life you still keep things from the life you had.

You believe that. But in all of human history there's never been a single case where a human consciousness was known to live outside a human brain. When the brain dies, that's it.

And all that 10% tithing? The richest corporation on the planet - the Vatican - has it in one of their many business bank accounts.

the energy always there
there was the circuit of heaven
those spheres act as physical processes
the earth like a gyroscope

The Christian God offers the reward upfront,

Oh you mean like white genocide? Hey guess how much percentage of black on white crime victims are christian, you christcuck piece of shit.
Oh also arent you the people that actually caused these african wild beast to get rights too?

Did you know that the entire argument for evolution is

um le heckin monkerinoes and humanitoes have so much in common!!!

And

um le heckin tooth fossil was a heckin homo erection!!!!! We processed (made up) le genome (500 year half life) of the 60,000 year old fossil that we reconstructed by assuming our conclusion is correct and LE WAT OUR CONCLUSION IS CORRECT??!!

And then you realize he did this on the condition that he become his own son and engage in a ritual of deicide and masochism for a weekend because some people he made ate a fruit he knew they would eat many generations ago and never managed to get over it.

My post was not a strawman. It was a direct response to OP's argument

Uh a strawman can be a direct response to an argument... it's just a crappy response.

Which he seems to agree is an accurate representation if what he believes

Definitely not. His 3rd reply to you was illustrating your question had an invalid implication about the universe needing a beginning. He never said or implied it did.

Yeah, the greeks and romans display atheism too. There was a lot of talk like

I don't know if gods are real, they are probably not but...

No one took it hyper seriously until cult vs cult wars were breaking out and those were usually about who got State-tier power of the resources.

Atheism has always been around, is the point. It's not new. It's just being validated more and more as time goes on.

you were right, up to a point. what you failed to mention was that the christian god demands worship "or else."
norse gods, greek gods, roman gods, etc. etc. did not demand worship. they did not threaten you to follow them or else. they did not command you to leave your families behind to follow them and listen only to them, nor were they painted as picture perfect role models. in most cases, they were not role models at all. they were respected and revered, and the relationship was one of fairness. i make a quick sacrifice of x y z and you continue to provide rains and sun. there was no "if you don't do x y z and follow every one of these rules to the dot you will be tortured by locusts with human faces and lions teeth for 5 months and then cast in to a lake of fire while i watch". the gods of old were not infallible, they were human, they made mistakes, they had characters. your shitty jewish mythology demands you worship and give up everything to some schizo under threat of eternal torture. it also only applies to jews, since your saviour thinks foreigners are dogs who are only worthy of the crumbs from his table.

yeah. no thanks. i'd rather revere any standard african nigger village spirit than your demented narcissistic jewish foreskin-obsessed abuse merchant.

It makes no claim about what might have existed before the expansion beings.

Well, yes, but it makes the claim that time and space itself came from the Big Bang. It's not a matter of formally limiting the scope of the theory, according to the theory you can't ask questions about what was happening before the Big Bang or where it happened because "before" and "where" didn't exist. It wasn't just a big empty expanse of space sitting there for who knows how long before all of the matter and energy exploded everywhere for reasons, it wasn't even a totally empty vacuum. Time and space only come into existence and start expanding outward during the Big Bang.

1. Everything that had a beginning had a cause.
2. The Universe had a beginning.
3. Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

If the universe is "dying" it is because it was "alive" before, that is, it has a beginning.

Explain how a giant floating space human explains the bang any better than "we don't know"

That was just the nobility being asshats because the only thing they care about is themselves, the commoners still believed in the gods, there was some cult called Mithraism going on.

1. Everything that had a beginning had a cause.

2. God had a beginning.

3. Therefore, God had a cause.

Just as plausible

you don't know or understand what omniscience or omnipotent actually means, do you?

check'd

But in all of human history there's never been a single case where a human consciousness was known to live outside a human brain. When the brain dies, that's it.

Not so fast. We had one.

If the universe is "dying" it is because it was "alive"

Figure of speech. We have no idea what caused it all

the big bang is simply a cosmological model of the universe. it makes absolutely zero claims about specifically how things were created/began. i.e. there is no reason why god couldn't have just started the big bang

You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

WHY ARE ALL THE OTHER NUMBERS NOT AN ERROR ON MY CALCULATOR? WHY IS ZERO THE ONLY ONE? HUH? HUH?

You need to be at least 13 to post here, bud.

Whoever this god is, it cant be Yahweh retarded christcuck

Uh a strawman can be a direct response to an argument... it's just a crappy response.

If I am correctly representing his argument, then it is not a strawman.

His 3rd reply to you was illustrating your question had an invalid implication about the universe needing a beginning. He never said or implied it did

He explicitly stated it needs a beginning. That is the core of his argument. He even continues to insist upon it as you will see in my next response to him.

2. The Universe had a beginning

We don't know that. All you can do is keep insisting it had a beginning while I've been illustrating to you over and over that this is an assumption on your part.

If the universe is "dying" it is because it was "alive" before, that is, it has a beginning.

I'll express it in mathematical terms for you:
If you go infinitely in the "positive" direction on the time axis, the density of the universe approaches zero. If you go infinitely in the "negative" direction, the density approaches infinity.
This is the most straightforward way to interpret cosmic expansion. And it does not imply a beginning nor an end.

There is no time axis, traveling billions of lights away wont send you to the past but to the present state of that area billions of years later.

well certainly. I think 99% of manmade religions, including the Abrahamic jewish ones, are definitely false since they usually make a bunch of nonsense claims

"The time axis" is just a way of expressing a "past, present, and future" exist. Don't stim too hard on it.
If you're calling the expansion of the universe in question here, then none of this argument pertains to you.
The other poster is using cosmic expansion to "prove" the universe had a beginning. I'm explaining why, even under the assumption it is happening, that's not the proof he seems to think it is.

Rabbi Yeshua is the creator deity

kek

The desert storm demon Yahweh deserves worship

imagine being this retarded lmao

"past, present, and future" exist

do they?

if everyone is satan then no one is satan and you are definitely a fag

no you idiot, those ancient Gods are all Satan and his fallen angels. Odin is Zeus is Jupiter, etc

as you know, Jesus was not a rabbi and the first rabbis (the pharisees) were his enemies, kike faggot

In the sense that yesterday came before today and tomorrow's coming later, yes. I made this post after your post and your post came before mine.

What's the problem here? When talking physics, time and space have very specific, exact meanings. The fundamental interactions that all of us rely on to experience and describe reality didn't exist then so things like "time" and "space" have no meaning. At least, not in the strict physics and how we understand it. You can certainly ask questions about what happened before the Big Bang but it ceases to be science at that point because it is completely untestable and likely just unknowable.

Nope, this is christcuck cope because they can't reconcile how jew-worshipping their religion is with the NS redpills about how bad jews rule the world.

Hitler was a Christian and all of his anti-Christian rants are second-hand quotes by a traitor

I'll express it in mathematical terms for you:

If you go infinitely in the "positive" direction on the time axis, the density of the universe approaches zero. If you go infinitely in the "negative" direction, the density approaches infinity.

This is the most straightforward way to interpret cosmic expansion. And it does not imply a beginning nor an end.

Well, you are saying that the universe has infinite energy. If that were the case, life would not exist. The universe would begin and end without life in it. The existence of life proves that there was a leap and distortion of energy. That is why I said that life itself is a miracle. And yes, the existence of various miracles also proves that the universe is not infinite.

what if loop theory is true (i just made up loop theory but you get it)

because "before" and "where" didn't exist.

The information was destroyed in the Big Bang, that's all.

You just proved lmao

Any christcuck you talk to will tell you Hitler was an atheist. You guys simply make up what you want to believe like all christcucks do, you're just in a group where Hitler is praised, so you have to assign your beliefs to him to be positively associated.

Meanwhile, actual christcucks in actual reality all hate Hitler and claim he was an atheist and Nazis are atheists.

how convenient all the european indigenous gods are demons but the one true benevolent god is hebrew. aretyou sure you're not jewish?

Jesus was not a rabbi

he was literally referred to as ''rabbi", fucknut.

Well, you are saying that the universe has infinite energy

No I am not. A finite amount of energy would have a density that approaches infinity as the volume it's contained in approaches zero.

If that were the case, life would not exist. The universe would begin and end without life in it.

I'm gonna need you to elaborate on that.

The existence of life proves that there was a leap and distortion of energy.

What does this even mean?

I'm not sure I know what you mean. Like time being cyclical? Even then you could attribute a positive and negative direction on a circle. But that would be a whole other conversation that I'm not sure is relevant here.

Then what happened to make niggers stop evolving?

Leave it to a banana nigger to be a kike worshipping christcuck.

memeflag

This means you're Israeli right?

If we cant find the center of the universe then the expansion is just conjecture

''rabbi'' means ''master''. He was not a priest like the other rabbis.

He was not a priest like the other rabbis.

Which is irrelevant because he was still called rabbi

Cosmic expansion does not imply there is a "center." But I'm comfortable leaving it at "this discussion does not pertain to you." I'm not interested in proving the universe is expanding.
It's not important.

he taught jewish scriptures ina jewish synagogue to a totally jewish audience in a jewish language. that's what a modern rabbi does

"RaBbI JuSt MeAnS mAsTeR!"

If that were the case, life would not exist. The universe would begin and end without life in it.

I'm gonna need you to elaborate on that.

If the universe has an amount of energy how could a rock become a human? It's impossible non-life turn into life. Much more energy is required for a human being than for a simple object of matter. How much energy does a single human have? The existence of life shows that energy is not constant from the beginning as if it could be traced from beginning to end.

he spoke to everyone, he spoke in a synagogue once and he spoke in Aramaic. Nice try tho, rabbi killchriststein

Is it really so hard for people to believe that God could've been responsible for the big bang and creation as we know it? Like the Big Bang happening 13 billion years ago and everything that came after it DOESN'T disprove the existence of god, right? The bible isn't a catalogue of every single event that happened in history and the answer to literally everything.

The center would basically be the where the expansion came from, if the universe began compressing it would go back to the center