Healthcare is a human right

If people have to work to earn the right to be healthy, then by that logic, the U.S. should also consider abolishing universal voting rights and other basic human rights

you have the right to be healthy
that doesn't imply the right to demand that others keep you healthy despite yourself and your circumstances

This kind of mutt thinking is deeply misguided—almost tragic. If that's the case, why does the U.S. send billions of dollars to Israel with no direct return?

billions must die

Would you say that if you, or someone you cared about got cancer, and had to foot the whole bill yourself? Would you accept that you most certainly couldn't afford it and would most likely die? Just something to think about. The system helps everyone equally. You'd benefit just as much as anyone else.

If you're worried about gibsmedat gigachungus niggers, then just put a tax increase on the unhealthy to compensate, while the healthy pay less.

Fuck off, you fucking gook.

Republicans arent human they dont care

Not an argument mutt. Why won't you guys get rid of SSI based on your...logic?

Healthcare sucks in Canada. Waste of tax dollars.

That's because your bureaucrats are incompetent and comfortable. Put the scare into em, whatever that means to you, and watch as things suddenly get done and get better. World would be better if those in charge were reminded how mortal they are.

I'm really pissed trump turned out to be a stupid republican. An attempt to solve corruption and recoup money with doge? Protectionist policies with tariffs the left had been fighting for since the 90s? Great, on board. Using that money for social programs, infrastructure, making America a shining jewel of the west? Hahahhaha no no we're going harder with corporate dystopia get back to work. Have fun with austerity while the mega rich pay fewer taxes.

The democrats are just as bad but in a different way, I live in a Democrat run state and my city is closing all its public restrooms and charging for parking at the local parks.

Is there a political party for not retardeds?

If something requires the labor of another human being, then it is not a human right you commie faggot retard.

Ok then..you guys should also get rid of basic pension for the elderly..also why not ban the government anyways?

Doctors, diagnostic tests and pharmaceutical drugs are all very expensive and quite frankly the average person doesn't generate enough value to justify amazing care since they wouldn't be able to afford it without other people subsidizing the service for them.

A pension is a working man's own money returned to them rightfully by our Jewish loving government.
A government exists to serve us, but it has gotten out of control. But we still rely on them to do things like this, managing pensions which are rightfully owed.
However, governments are not obligated to give you free healthcare at the expense of other taxpayers. I am NOT going to agree to pay for a nigger's hospital bill after he got shot by another nigger for doing nigger things.

They're expensive because of corporate middlemen and lobbyists that your bureaucracy has allowed to corrupt your system. Would be fine without them. Medical is expensive because of a failure to maintain an efficient system.Trust me, you're still miles better off with the subpar universal system than one that won't help you at all unless you have a 6 figure savings at the ready to cover costs.

However, governments are not obligated to give you free healthcare at the expense of other

It's not 'free' healthcare since everyone contributes and shares the cost. The rich pay more, the poor pay less. And this system works in other countries. For example, I pay around $20 for an X-ray, but in the U.S., it can cost over $700. That doesn’t seem normal to me.

Incorrect. Suppose you demand a procedure be done for $0. You would enslave the surgeon, his technicians, whoever built the facility and the furniture and the equipment, and whoever owns the land upon which the facility is built.

Why do you wish to enslave other men?

I expect your answer to be retarded: you posted a picture of a cat at an 'engagement angle'; you're probably a Redditor or similar.

...like the one in Canada with boundless wait lists for even basic procedures and general practitioners?

Here's an idea: the doctor accepts something called MONEY for his services. When you go to the office, you pay MONEY at the front desk for the doctor's services, which you do NOT have so long for.

The procedure is covered by the national health insurance, which everyone contributes to once they’re over 20. Of course, doctors here might earn less than in the U.S. so.. they cant buy private jets or yachts, but the system ensures access for everyone.

people give their real names at the ER?
that's crazy

Yes, i would of course hope for better but at the end of the day forcing others to give up their time and money for myself is ultimately slavery, people never mention that the sheer size of the population and the general unhealthiness would cause it to immediately crumble on itself

I agree with both.

Today I ate kimchi. It really gets the train moving.

the U.S. should also consider abolishing universal voting rights

There's a reason that isn't part of the original constitution + bill of rights and was stupidly added later by mouthbreathers.

other basic human rights

Rights are things you possess by default, by right, and are god given. If you were alone in the woods you could exercise them. The bill of rights says the government recognizes that and will not interfere.
If someone else is needed and has to be forced to grant you a "right" it is not a right and you want a slave.
If you want to advocate for that I guess you can, but keep in mind you are trying to advocate for a slave caste that is specifically responsible for and put into the position of keeping you alive with dangerous and invasive medical technology.
Entire countries collapsed because they outsourced their military to slaves, let me know how it works out for you to have your medical system run by slaves.

Your entire framing is pure retardation. You can claim healthcare should be more affordable and available without going full retard and pulling an inactionable, childish argument that you're entitled to it. Framing it this way makes it completely impossible to ever happen because all you have is demands instead of looking at what circumstances will have to be true to make that a physical and logistical reality. Every single one of you dumb mother fuckers will waste your entire lives demanding someone else figure out the problem, which will result in nobody ever doing it because you want all the rewards and benefits with none of the work. An utterly useless train of thought that is actually detrimental to the desired end goal.

Just something to think about. The system helps everyone equally. You'd benefit just as much as anyone else.

If you're worried about gibsmedat gigachungus niggers, then just put a tax increase on the unhealthy to compensate, while the healthy pay less.

Then it doesn't benefit everyone "equally". You didn't make it two sentences without contradicting your own stupid position. And no amount of retard math works. Or rather, it could be made to work, except idiots like you will always fuck it up for everyone and prevent it from ever working because you cry about gibs 24/7.

Would you say that if you, or someone you cared about got cancer, and had to foot the whole bill yourself?

That's logistical and physical reality. It's too late to start crying about a parachute once you've jumped off a cliff without one.

Helping one another is a mutual benefit, not a form of enslavement. If you're serious about strictly adhering to the principles of the early Constitution, then maybe it's the federal government you should be looking to abolish.

of course its a human right, we just need to reclassify whats actually human.

Okay, your healthcare sucks, or so you say... But why the hell did you put your cat to attack me? Now I might be in need of a doctor!

Medical is expensive because of a failure to maintain an efficient system

An efficient system that uses what to judge where resources are allocated in order to run efficiently?
Here's a thought, what if we used medical tokens.
So everyone gets medical tokens and then people can give a doctor those medical tokens for treatment and the doctor needs to give medical tokens for the equipment and other staff he needs to operate. If something is costing a lot of medical tokens its in high demand and so more doctors will want to help deal with that using the signal of how many medical tokens are being spent on that, reducing that cost in medical tokens to the lowest physically allowable by other factors.

But you'd rather have a centrally run bureaucracy where some beancounter decides what something costs and wants to make sure every homeless asshole gets the same standard of care as anyone else. At the same time they want to promote as unhealthy a lifestyle as possible telling everyone that their sweet medical system will cover it at "no cost" and idiots like you believe them.
A socialist system literally cannot be efficient, because the basic promise is to tell actuaries their math and calculations aren't allowed to be right. So then once the system is done sucking all the built up wealth out of everyone and everything it can, it has to do what Canada does and be the biggest cause of death among the working aged because telling them to kill themselves is cheaper than treating them. Every socialist system works this way, because you pretend like base reality doesn't exist and want to fuck with a natural system to be a selfish cunt.

For example, I pay around $20 for an X-ray, but in the U.S., it can cost over $700.

Because it costs $700 in the US.
Trump just told Europe we're done subsidizing their medical care and they all collectively threw a shitfit. I know everyone like lying to you about why your healthcare is so cheap and that's because its been intentionally offset by the US paying way more. The second someone in the US stops doing that, like Trump has said he intends to, your medical costs will skyrocket and medical funding/research will stagnate and collapse. Additionally it costs that much in the US literally because of

It's not 'free' healthcare since everyone contributes and shares the cost.

Anyone who can pay is forced to pay out the nose because idiots like you said people who can't pay and will never, ever pay still need the same level of treatment.
Insurance companies run on tight math to make everything work, and waves of legislation trying to force them into being a retarded socialist system make it so the math can never work. And your socialist garbage runs the same way as does every other socialist system that will get stressed, crack and break the second people realize they don't have to wait and get better care elsewhere, which will happen basically the same time you start getting forced to treat millions of niggers for free.

I agree with abolishing the Federal regime.

Well then, in that case, the minimum wage should be abolished too, for the sake of efficiency, right? But the role of government isn't to be efficient; it's to ensure that every person receives certain benefits. In economics, there's something called an 'externality.' Without government intervention, we wouldn't have access to affordable water or other public goods like police and fire services.. If everything is pushed toward efficiency and market value alone, many essential services would simply disappear.

You have the right to take care of your own health, as does every other human and animal. But you aren't entitled to the labor or wealth of others as a substitute for the resources you're unwilling or unable to provide for yourself. Watch this video for an in-depth analysis.

Your rights shouldnt start where another persons right end.

You’re trying to force other people (doctors) to do something (treat you) against their will.

Fuck you nigger. That’s not how we do things here.

Muhkay, if you say so. Just made thread out of curiosity.

Did you read what I said? That's what my system would do. Make it more efficient.

Oh, so it's more efficient because you just said it is. Great. Cool system. "It does what other systems do but better because I said so, no I have no idea why those systems are inefficient in the first place people are just greedy, my system though would be made entirely of hyper-competent, selfless humans so it solves all the problems"
You don't have a "system" you have a stupid dream. And dreams aren't real.

Let me ask you something though, if we put in your system; you pay money for services rendered, what would you do if you had no money?

Why are you asking this like your "system" still doesn't revolve around money? You said "everyone pays in". How much? "The rich pay more, the poor pay less". How much? How rich? How poor? Who pays in nothing? How many of the lowest payers does it take to reach the average of care estimated across a person's lifetime? How does it accommodate for a sudden plague or change in environment making the population far less healthy and thus ballooning the needed costs for the same level of care across the board? If the rich are being stolen from well in excess of any value they could ever get out of the system why would they stay in your country at all when their money would cover their own costs and then some anywhere else and then save them millions or billions? You going to hunt them down? Okay, why would anyone ever be rich? Nobody would ever do anything that puts them in a bracket where they pay more into the system than they would ever get out, then everyone is capping at the average now everyone is just putting into the system exactly where they're expected to get out of it which is.... the same as never having paid into it at all.

No.

Didn't ask you pablo

no it isn't because someone has to produce that healthcare and one does not have any rights to the labor of another

rights are not a thing

they don't exist

stop this madness of still rehashing this tired old debate topic. this is settled. it's done. there are no rights in nature. you don't even have a right to live in nature because a predator can eat you at any time. rights are imagined. the word is overused, misused, and misunderstood.

Just like every other tax, it would end up being yet another means of stealing wealth from whites and giving it to undeserving non-whites.

I have free healthcare and get paid by the govt.
Imagine working and paying taxes to the US govt.
Couldn't be me.

No it's 700$ dollars because he already has to pay for niggers you idiot. That's WHY it's 700$ dollars. They could charge 20$ here if it was at market value but they CAN'T because they HAVE to give out 34 "free" xrays to niggers who can't pay a dime and never will. So the guy who can pay conceivably has to pay for all 35 of them. All you have to do to not play into the system is refuse to pay, just like the niggers do. It will prevent you from doing other things, which is a price the niggers don't care about, so it's a tax and punishment on people who want to do the right thing while the people that don't reap all the rewards in this particular case. And we are told this is good and how things are supposed to be and that this actually needs to be more of this because these people are actually our moral superiors and far more deserving of life than we are.

The medical system in the US is literally already the stupid socialist dream you faggots want, your system is just not flooded with useless invalids and niggers (yet). Germany bragged about their shit. Niggers flooded in. System can't handle it. The UK bragged about their shit. Niggers flooded in. System can't handle it. France bragged about their shit. Niggers flooded in. System can't handle it.
This is the fucking result. There are limited resources dumbfuck.

Helping one another is a mutual benefit

No it isn't. What are you "helping" the doctor with? Nothing. You can't treat him, you are demanding he treat you at whatever cost to himself in far excess by design of anything you could give back to him for it.

not a form of enslavement.

The only way for you to say you are guaranteed service is if the doctor is enslaved and forced to treat you no matter what. The only way to ensure this at the government level is to enslave entire sections of the population and force them to be doctors to meet the demands of all the people who claim they are entitled to whatever medical interventions they want whenever they want.

If you're serious about strictly adhering to the principles of the early Constitution

then maybe it's the federal government you should be looking to abolish.

Are you a literal fucking retard? Seems so. The constitution created the federal government and the federalist system you stupid fuck. It's become overblown, retarded and communist literally because of dumbfucks like you demanding it force other people to suck your cock for free. It should be as small as possible, manage as little as possible and guess what, THAT INCLUDES YOUR DUMBASS SOCIALIST BULLSHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTIVELY FUCKING EVERYTHING UP FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE DUMB SHITS LIKE YOU DEMAND THAT THEY DO.

Go fuck yourself.

God these faggots are too militantly ideological. Keep paying 100,000$+ for an eye surgery while I pay 500$

Well then, in that case, the minimum wage should be abolished too, for the sake of efficiency, right?

YES, YOU IDIOT. Why do you dumb fucks think getting rid of socialist bullshit so systems can function efficiently is some kind of a "gotcha"? You think I'm going to sit here and go "No, not muh heckin' MINIMUM WAGE THAT DRIVES UP THE COST OF LITERALLY EVERYTHING FOR NO REASON!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!!"

But the role of government isn't to be efficient;

No shit. That's why they need to STAY THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYTHING.

it's to ensure that every person receives certain benefits

Holy. Fucking. Shit.
No.
No.
Nope.
No.
Not at all.
Government is a MOB. It's a literal MOB. That's IT. Due to the nature of the world there will always be a MOB in charge of groups of people, and they will ALWAYS follow the same rough principles and characteristics. The government manages VIOLENCE. That is their ONLY power. Every other thing we let them control or handle stems from this singular tool. The government is literally a protection racket, every government is literally a protection racket, no exceptions. Period. They are supposed to "defend" you in exchange that they steal a large sum of your money that they arbitrarily decide on to pay for this "service". They might claim they provide other "services" in exchange for the money they are stealing from you, but it's all the same shit.

And before you say some other stupid shit, no you cannot not have one. You will always have this structure. You create a vacuum without one and it will manifest. It is an evolutionary niche and an organism will always occupy it. You can wrangle it better or worse, you can't not have it.

Without government intervention

we wouldn't have access to affordable water or other public goods like police and fire services

If everything is pushed toward efficiency and market value alone, many essential services would simply disappear.

Literally wrong. God you're a fucking dumb bootlicker

Ok stop posting Ben sharpiro. You made your point. Let the thread die.

you don't even have a right to live in nature

Yes, but that's not a right to begin with.
You have the right to speak, the right to defend yourself, the right to move around, the right to associate, the right to try to live, the right to pursue happiness, etc... rights exist, but you are guaranteed no outcomes.

We don't have any control over that and every stupid thing you keep saying to do would make the problem WORSE because that's ALREADY WHY ITS THAT WAY YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD.
The way to fix it would be to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of the garbage you're proposing, get the worthless invalids out of the fucking system and force the people that use it all the time for "free" to fucking pay or die. Then it would sort itself out, prices would drop across the board and everything would be much better.
But we can check back in some years about how your medical system is doing when you've gotten all your proper enrichment since your country is far overdue for that right now and is already prepping the bull. Don't be all shocked and surprised when several million freeloading niggers clog up your system and its suddenly unaffordable, poor quality, and inaccessible. You know, like EVERY OTHER retarded country that took this stupid line crying at the US until they got enriched and were forced to pay for it.
Just remember then how you denied that as a problem in the US so when it happens to you it'll just be because your system is dogshit and can't be the fault of freeloading niggers.

People are just gonna go to ers either no id and fake names or flat out take the debt and just not pay it.

It will be 0 now

We don't import niggers or browns. I reckon that's the difference. Stop sperging out with those long, mundane babbling. You okay?

yes it's a right you have to pay for healthcare.
agreed.

You are also a retarded gook.

That is incorrect. You have an infestation in Itaewon.

The reason why people with your opinion invariably lose and have no substantive argument is because you don't realize that post scarcity utopian where everything is "free" will never be realized in a maximum, 100% form, even with AI and other similar articles. You need a certain set of conditions, and the road to achieving them is one that is starting to be seen, but normie cattle don't like it bc they're animalistic retards.

Having a more automated society would crumble if dysgenics set in, so you need some sort of gene editing/genetic justice paradigm enforced that pays people to either sterilize or let a corpo algorithm edit/create babies that will thrive in a new utopian paradigm. No one knows how to approach it, no one wants to even consider or talk about ending Jewish masonic paper fiat slavery. It's all in how you look at it. Does working suck? Does the fact that we can't afford affordable Healthcare suck? Probably, but it's the best we can do at the moment...until the population levels off...among other things.

Broke nigga alert.

Voting doesn't require med school. Herbed.