Can any of you define socialism?

Can any of you define socialism?

marxist or non-marxist socialism? you do know that socialism predates marxism right?

workers control of means of production

stratification based upon rank, such as age or achievement, rather than class or caste- in conjunction with basic welfare met by the state.

benefit of most/all over few

Socialism is an economic and political system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned or regulated by the community as a whole, often through the state. The primary goal of socialism is to achieve greater social and economic equality by redistributing wealth and resources. This can involve various degrees of government intervention in the economy, ranging from full state ownership of industries to more moderate forms that include social welfare programs and regulations to protect workers' rights and ensure access to essential services. Socialism contrasts with capitalism, where the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit.

Can any of you define socialism?

jews trying to convince white people to take care of non-whites so whites will be degraded.

Should be webster definition.

what's yours is mine, what's mine is mine, all past grievances must be felt by those in the present to ensure a fickle sense of social justice and equality, if only for perception and presentation.

It’s popular sovereignty and public ownership

America was socialist?

I think trains buses etc used to be publicly owned?

I could be wrong there

No, that's socialism. Communism is a little more advanced and sanctimonious than that. Either way it's both shit.

socialism is when you tax income
it doesn't work because you vote for more gibs and thus less work is being done
there is no reason to work if you are going to be taxed

difference being what

Looked it up

Never thought it included people’s homes before.

I think home ownership is an important part of securing generational legacy and security

taking the money of the productive and giving it to the unproductive and/or favored groups (the party, feminists, trannies, brown people, women, women, women).

Conservatives can't get over that their lil' doe eyed innocent white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action/dei and the biggest liberals around.

conservative can mean socialist
you just conserve the old ways, that can be socialistic

Then you're not a socialist. Ownership is human nature. Denying human nature always leads to ruin.

ownership is a concept to be beholden
you go to another planet and call it your own
does that make it your own?

Yes. Ownership is very real. Like I said, denying it leads to ruin. Denial of reality ALWAYS does.

ownership only exist if other parties agree with it

Ownership is human nature

Absolutely ridiculous notion.
Ownership is a cultural invention, the idea that we’re hardwired to own is propaganda.

it's when you take money from the hard working and give it to the lazy

Look up the hitler quote bro he explains it well

yes, taxing income, that's socialism

I guess not.

I do think UBI is a good idea. Thomas Paine did too.

The Government makes a lot of money from taxes from cigarettes to oil.

Shouldn’t the people be given an individual slice to better their country by bettering their lives?

socialism is when government, the more government the more socialism there is.

what hitler quote

Practically, making everyone pay for the contractual health risks a worker takes, instead of keeping it strictly a problem of the employer. All under the pretense of a greater good.

What do you call negative income tax? Which system does that fall under

slavery

No. If others don't agree with it means there's a conflict over it. You claim what you can. That's how it works.

onwership is cultural

Entirely false. Ownership is why marriage is a thing. If everyone belonged to everyone marriage wouldn't exist. Polyamorous societies are unstable and low in trust. Why? Because it denies ownership that's why.

judaism

if you want to have classical state, you should only tax land / resources
if you want to have moral super state, there should be no taxes

yes, you are starting to think
you own only what you can protect
that's why slaves do not have guns

Universal basic income is a terrible idea. Utopias don't exist, giving people free handouts doesn't make things better. It only makes people more dependent and weak.

From what I understand, the state is at the top with the purpose of maintain equality amongst the populace, say a company is treating the citizens unfair the state will seize it, socialism I thought was meant to maintain a healthy populace. The state makes decisions for what is best for everyone,

That doesn't mean ownership isn't real, though. It just means others try to take your shit and want what you have. That is ALSO human nature.

it is not human only
any interest holder can claim anything

All the socialist theories boils down to a simple principle:
What is yours is mine

The Founding Father of America supported UBI

It’s a way to enable women to be mothers in a system which requires two people to work to secure a home life together as a family

Then send their kids to be watched by strangers

you go to another planet and call it your own

does that make it your own?

That's how Spain arrived to the New world, yes

They had swords right? and genocided the locals, that is also why genocide is illegal, because it works.

The Founding Father of America supported UBI

Yes, and that's why America is a shithole. lol

It’s a way to enable women to be mothers in a system which requires two people to work to secure a home life together as a family

Giving women free money and comfort will make them stop wanting to have kids and form families.

Thomas Paine did too

Did he? I thought Milton Friedman came up with that idea.

lets concentrate all the power into a single monopoly, this is how we defeat oligarchs

Say what you will about Satan but the man has a sense of humor

Human Resources

Something "belongs" to you as long as someone who's capable and willing of taking it from you doesn't exist.
Let's say you live in country X and another country invades and starts annexing it, they come to your house and tell you to fuck off, then you pull out the tittle deeds.
What do you think is going to happen? Are they gonna go "oh shit our bad, we didn't know you own the place, we're leaving"? or some magical guarding of ownership will appear and protect your "property"?

Ownership is a cultural invention

Not cultural, but civilization-building.
Property rights are the first brick required to build a civilized society. You can't have culture about ownership rights, you either have them or you don't. The only thing cultural about it are the affordances you assign to things that allow them to be considered property (niggers, women, animals), but the fundamental idea of being able to claim something is not a matter of culture - it is,, as the netheranon said, such a sine qua non for civilization, you might as well consider it an innate universal to any civilized race.

socialism devolves into survival struggle, because since there is no reason to work, people only do the bare minimum to survive

The best person to look after children, is their mother.

I am aware the elites have nannies - do you think that has a negative consequence?

Stealing from the productive and giving to the nonproductive via government taxation.

It's when the gov takes resources away from white people and gives it to niggers

Yes he did

'Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated land owes to the community a ground-rent (for I know of no better term to express the idea) for the land which he holds; and it is from this ground-rent that the fund proposed in this plan is to issue' (Thomas Paine, 1797).

Socialism at its core is a group of humans working together to dominate over others. It's doesn't have to be intentional but every empire in history is simply the group that manages to implement socialism the best. Sumerian priests convinced the nearby NPCs that god was living in their temple and required sacrifice, which they used to pay soldiers to fight off the hill people. The US empire, despite what you may think, is in fact a world-wide socialist endeavor where everyone pitches in and sends resources and products to the core so they can maintain domination. It never lasts because the elites become too greedy and another group takes over that, mostly determined by chance and circumstances, manages to implement socialism better.

Yeah

Most people don't realize that in Cuba not working is a criminal act, you lose tons of rights if you refuse to work

They think having to work for a living is a whim of capitalism.

They main thing eating purchase power forcing us to work longer hours is excessive government size and central banking creating inflation

collapse is only matter of time

That depends on your position on humanity.

If some like Elon was raised poor and given ubi, do you think he would use it to bring humanity forward? Or would his upbringing in poverty quell that?

A lot of sports people have a strong drive to escape the circumstances of their birth through excellence- before you say sports are a mechanism of control. Think of Olympians and national pride

That's power, it doesn't invalidate ownership. Your argument is basically ''ownership isn't real because others could just take it from you if they're stronger'' but that's bullshit. Just because others try to take your shit doesn't invalidate the existence of ownership itself as a concept.

their mom is the best to look after them

FALSE. Women are more likely to abuse kids and the elderly. More likely to traumatize them mentally and they can never provide what a man can. Authority. That's where daddy issues come from.

I am aware the elites have nannies - do you think that has a negative consequence?

Any man who's been raised without a man in his life is destined for failure.

Any man who's been raised without a man in his life is destined for failure.

Then how do they continue to remain in the elite class?

Male role models?

calling something yours does not make it yours
it is yours only if others agree
they often only agree because they are scared of you

Elon still hasn't brought humanity forward even now. lol

Nepotism.

calling something yours doesn't make it yours

That's what violence is for. Might makes right. Such is the will of the gods.

Can any of you define socialism?

so a state that prevents (you) from "owning" weapons is not (your) state

Its when the government takes the countries resources to benefit a specific group of people. Who also have representatives in the government and also run the schools, the infrastructure, the doctors, the military. You don't really need a name for this its how any normal country over the past 1000s of years has prospered.

It sort of implies that immigrants get shafted in this arrangement. Its basically the opposite of the United States in 2025. Communism is the counter to that which is to infiltrate a nation and its government and all the other stuff when they allow it. And then when the socialist government is taken over the country belongs to those immigrants.

Capitalism is just communism. They are always rooting for the communists not the socialists. Capitalists started the civil war in the United States and also ran all the propaganda. Most of the capitalists are jews which incidentally jews historically are communists.

Government interference.

capitalizes the word 'jew'

No. If a state has a monopoly on violence it is an enemy by default as it basically challenges you to a fight. It declares ownership over your weapons, thus making it an enemy.

excellent

Which is why we need a state that encourages people to fight it instead. Thus cementing it's rightful places as a ruling entity.

a state is only rightful if it is moral
and to be moral it needs to be voluntary

By the way, this is why jews are successful. Their fucked up little religion leads to a form of socialism that's very good at gathering and maintaining power for their in-group. It only works in a parasitical sense which is why Israel is such a disaster of a country. None of this is intended or some big conspiracy, if it didn't work it wouldn't have survived the ages and the best way to understand is as a societal virus. It's amoral and only rewards domination. There's no point in getting angry over it.

It’s when you talk to people

they are not successful, they do not balance interests
all they do it build new enemies
they will be erased, Hitler was just round 1

They get most of their money through lending. And they can lend to any country that needs it. Once you borrow from them they make you take immigrants to pay it back. It goes all the way back to Rome.

Morality is just a hobby. It needs to be respected first and foremost. Respect can only be earned through pure military might. Violence is the universal language.

talking irl

gross

we shall see

they'll move and capture China in 50 years. It's an outcome that builds on their particular implementation of socialism.

A narrative that jews use to destroy other countries.

What about muslims?

There are 2 billion
But only 20 million jews?

socialism

a major step towards communism which is basically judaism that concentrates goyim property in jew hands

difference being what

jews. just like there's judeo-capitalism and non kiked capitalism