Is North Korea the only country actually practicing something close to national socialism today?
Is North Korea the only country actually practicing something close to national socialism today?
China is
I'd live in North Korea. It's probably x10 cheaper than Vietnam, which means I could retire there with $10,000.
You aren’t allowed, it’s a Korean ethnostate
No you fucking retards. Learn what words mean
NK is literally a self reliant ethnostate, perhaps you could say they arent natsoc since that was German but Juche is absolutely a Korean equivalent
They need my big white cock and massive pile of money ($20,000)
They do not, they are one of the only racially stable places
he cant cause is american, but if was white from another country he could be an actor
Americans are banned from travelling to North Korea and have been for nearly 10 years because of Otto Warmbier
nknews.org
Yeah but fuck that nigga he was a coon they should let me in I love north Korea death to America
vibes based political critique
My god you mutts are fucking retarded.
what is ownership
what is the organization of labour
what is class collaborationism
what is capitalism
what is a mode of production
how was Nazi Germany run by and for capitalists and there was no socialism involved at all
what is collectivization
what is nationalization
what is privatization
what is communism
what is korean war communism
how did korean war communism form as a reaction to outside imperial aggression to isolate the DPRK from within and without
how did this simultaneously voluntary and involuntary isolation and increased security to protect against imperial aggression come to be portrayed as despotic authoritarianism by Radio Free Asia
how did Kim il-Sungs non-aligned Marxism Leninism form in a dialectical relationship with domestic suspicion of soviet influence to clarify itself as a korea-centric workers movement
how is this different from reactionary ethnonationalism employed as idealistic propaganda to protect the capitalist mode of production
what is idealism
what is materialism
Mutts have much reading to do. Or you can just keep being confused your whole life. Whatever.
China
Nazi Germany socialized and nationalized 1/3rd of the economy. The Italian fascists nationalized over half their economy. They were deeply anti-capitalist and anti-big business. Learn some history.
But national socialism was autarkic, China isn't (North Korea is)
reactionaries scream that China is red for 70 years
China wins
reactionaries:
obviously China is brown!
You don't get to appropriate credit for China's success, fuck off.
Nazi Germany Privatized almost everything. It was so widespread and sudden that it is the literal origin of the term privatization. It is the first time in history previously state owned assets underwent mass privatization. READ
But national socialism was autarkic
It wasn't. It heavily relied on imports from USSR and on loans from the West.
china is a modern, feminist nation, maybe the goverment being authoritarian+controlled capitalism could be seen as facist.
north korea is a moder, feminist nation as well, they are like china, a society based on western norms. national socialism was a unique thing, happening in germany around 1939-19453
Nazi Germany Privatized almost everything.
nonsense, they sold some stocks of nationalized (and state-controlled) companies to the public to fleece the people kek.
mb 1933 tired af, need to sleep
It was international barter in Nazi Germany - and they defaulted on their foreign loans kek
Hitler and Mussolini were BOTH backed by wealthy corporations and bankers. One of the very first laws passed after the Nazis took power was one that banned collective bargaining and striking, banned all labour unions and forced all workers into Hitler's "labour union" in which the terms of the labour was dictated by capitalists trustees appointed by Hitler himself. Workers had NO say. Fascism is capitalism in crisis, a reactionary defensive mechanism against the threat of socialism to big capital. It is class collaborationism, state mandated subjugation of the workers to the owners at gunpoint. There is NOTHING anticapitalist about it. Stop looking at memes on pol and fucking READ
This does not make them autarkic
Privatization:
The first mass privatization of state property occurred in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1937: "It is a fact that the government of the National Socialist Party sold off public ownership in several state-owned firms in the middle of the 1930s. The firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyard, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition to this, delivery of some public services produced by public administrations prior to the 1930s, especially social services and services related to work, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to several organizations within the Nazi Party."
diposit.ub.edu
The term was literally invented because of shitler's mass privatization
aeaweb.org
“Privatization” was coined in English descriptions of the German experience in the mid-1930s. In the early twentieth century, many European economies featured state ownership of vital sectors. Reprivatisierung, or re-privatization, marked the Nazi regime’s efforts to de-nationalize sectors of the German economy. As Bel notes, “German privatization of the 1930s was intended to benefit the wealthiest sectors and enhance the economic position and political support of the elite.”
The Nazis sold off public ownership in “steel, mining, banking, shipyard, ship-lines, and railways.” These had originally been nationalized in the early 1930s because of the economic disaster of the Great Depression.
Dude, they strived to achieve autarky. North Korea "succeeded" at that kek
i'mean china is still not "national socialist", according to that logic most countries were national socialist.: "japan is more right wing than china but they are less national socialist because they only have a democratic party ruling as the majority party post ww2 instead of having a ccp authoritarian system"
National socialism in what sense? Being an ethnically clean country? Miscenegation is illegal there so don't think you'll get a gook wife.
They don't have heating. You'll probably regret moving there.
according to this logic, east germany was national socialist, same with communist poland
According to the Doctrine of Fascism, whether the economy is privatized or collectivized is less important than whether the resources are going towards the benefit of the nation. Creating such a hard divide between whether Fascist states were socialist or capitalist shows that neither of you understand Fascist thought. Under a Fascist social dynamic there is no distinction between the State and the People because they are the same entity.
The state fully controlled these companies. Privatization my ass.
Nah I'm going to live in one of the good places with my gigantic pile of cash and watch the same Kim propaganda on TV every day cozy mode
muh national """"socialism"""""
1933 Gesetz über Treuhänder der Arbeit
§ 2
(1) Bis zur Neuordnung der Sozialverfassung regeln die Treuhänder an Stelle der Vereinigungen von Arbeitnehmern, einzelner Arbeitgeber oder der Vereinigungen von Arbeitgebern rechtsverbindlich für die beteiligten Personen die Bedingungen für den Abschluß von Arbeitsverträgen. Die Vorschriften über die Allgemeinverbindlichkeit (§§ 2 ff. der Tarifvertragsordnung in der Fassung vom 1. März 1928, Reichsgesetzbl. I S. 47) bleiben unberührt.
(2) Auch im übrigen sorgen die Treuhänder für die Aufrechterhaltung des Arbeitsfriedens.
(3) Sie sind ferner zur Mitarbeit bei der Vorbereitung der neuen Sozialverfassung berufen.
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§ 2
(1) Until the social constitution is reorganized, the trustees, instead of the associations of employees, individual employers or associations of employers, regulate the conditions for the conclusion of employment contracts in a legally binding manner for the persons involved. The regulations regarding general applicability (§§ 2 ff. of the collective bargaining regulations in the version of 1 March 1928, Reich Law Gazette I p. 47) remain unaffected.
(2) The trustees also ensure that industrial peace is maintained.
(3) They are also called upon to participate in the preparation of the new social constitution.
japan is more right wing than china
you high?
Even in PYONGYANG they don't have heating.
The state was run by and for the industrialists. Stop coping.
They were socialist all right, but not nationalist.
Otto Warmbier
Warmbier's mother was Jewish and he identified as Jewish
he had visited Israel (on a Birthright trip)
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NK has to be the only based state right now
didnt they invade germany for just daring to arrest a member of the tribe, let alone arrest and (indirectly) kill
yes, they have traditional housewifes still(japans gender relations are more "backwards" than china), they have a higher percentage of ethnic japanese, they have shintoism, traditional forms of spirituality, ccp china has only altered apporved ccp confucianism, they are not the "leader of the global south" because japanese nationalism is not based on resentment against whites, their architecture is a beautiful blend between past and modernity, their birth rate is higher than china, they still have their emperor etc etc
muh doctrine of fascism
aka meaningless immaterial idealist drivel, aka literally just fascist propaganda
Into the trash it goes
NK is literally a self reliant
lol they'd collapse in a week without china
Not really, the industrialists were whining that the state is murdering them with taxes; National Socialism was for the workers after all (ostensibly of course, workers were being fucked in the ass simply because this system doesn't work)
Sure thing, buddy. Japan is practically Nation Socialist.
Hitler backed by wealthy industrialists and bankers
Literally invented mass privatization of state assets
Banned workers' ability to organize
Put capitalists in trustee positions with full authority over the terms of labour
Killed all actual socialists that threatened German capital
glue eating reactionary retards:
obviously this is anti-capitalism!!1
You accuse others of not reading while refusing to do actual reading in order to understand the social dynamics of historical regimes. I take it you never read Marx when learning about the Soviet Union either nor looked up excerpts of Lenin’s speeches. You have no innate understanding of anything you discuss, all of your information is selected, catered, and spoon fed. Get off your high horse and learn something new for once.
Why do these Plebbit commies/leftists simply refuse to admit National-Socialism & Fascism in general is absolutely anti-(((Capitalist))), and follows racial socialism/distributism/corporatism and is a THIRD POSITION beyond capitalism & communism. You crying about it doesn’t make it any less true. National-Socialist Germany & Falangist Spain had two of the greatest economic miracles in history, Third Position is the greatest economic theory, that takes care of the people instead of a (((upper class))) stealing all the wealth. (For ethno-states, wouldn’t work in Muttmerica)
“Nazis” you despise hate Capitalism & Israel more then you and for decades before you jumped on the train, deal with it faggot.
That is the issue i have with creating a national socialist ideology, its not like the german goverment 1933-1945, but if i would sum it up: economy, based on autarky, protectionism, state conteolled capitalism. Society, has welfare state but with eugenics. Gender relations are based on patriachal norms, minorities are persecuted. China has norhing of these, maybe wanting autarky
Created a guide* mb
Korea actually does have a foreigner’s only section in Pyongyang where the US deflectors like Dresnok and radio propagandist Seoul sue lived.
They've actually read a book on politics, unlike you brother
Hitler backed by wealthy industrialists and bankers
You've got some imagination. Nazis were dead broke before they got into power - and AFTER THAT no businessman would risk opposing them. One did actually, Hugo Junkers, and they robbed and murdered him for that.
Poland and East Germany were both nationalist. East Germany declared itself the "real Germany" in contrast to the decadent, capitalist West.
You are coping because the vibes-based assertions you regurgitated from your idealistic manifesto doesn't hold up to material scrutiny. None of this is an argument, cope.
why don't you take my vibes-based word on its face when history and the real world policy of he NSDAP refute it?
lmao
Nazis were dead broke before they got into power
And you didn't think to ask where they found a whole bunch of money?
Exactly, east german was way more nationalist than west germany. National socialism actually allows inequality however, this is something communist nations are fundamentally against(kore, china) etc
japan is the only country on the planet that couldn't do a lockdown during covid due to the concern of abuse of power and isn't even allowed to send any weapon to anyone including ukraine
so does everyone in NK have a fireplace or wood burning stove or what
They’re Stalinist commies
lol no
NK is literally a self reliant ethnostate
N korea is propped up by china and russia. They’ve never been “self reliant”