How much usury is acceptable to you in a free country?

Cool it with the antisemitism.

I'm fine with the current amount in America. Debt is voluntary,

The debt we are currently under is NOT voluntary. Every dollar you earn from the Fed at this moment is Debt to be paid back to the Federal Reserve. You are already in debt the moment youre born cause of the central bank.

Nazi’s had a death penalty for usurers. At least that was part of the proposals to get voted into power.

Zero

You don't understand if it's any other number.

None or it is not a free country

Usury is just unreasonable interest, but in the whole grand scheme of things humans desire a 'you scratch my back I scratch yours' no matter how hard you push a moral "truth", life is literally just humans going around completing debts with one another.

a leaf's opinion

Disregarded. You go give a debt to a nigger in the ghetto then and tell him to pay it back. You won't.

I'm fine with the current amount in America. Debt is voluntary

You are fine with the $36.2 trillion national debt?

He's one of the sleeping naive citizens that things debt = progress.

Then I go bust his legs up, or call get law enforcement involved.

I think what I said triggered you a little and you missed the point. It's not always about money you know. Are you Dutch or Jewish or something?

The national debt is a totally different issue, doesn't usury normally refer to loans to an individual?

At the national level, economics and debt is so abstracted as to be practically meaningless. Money isn't a resource, it's just a tool to distribute resources, like food and housing. Under capitalism, getting a loan lets you rearrange resources into a profitable shape, more resources than you'd otherwise have access to.

Your nation has the same amount of resources no matter what economics bullshit they use to dress it up; printing more money won't print more food. America paying money towards a national debt doesn't reduce the amount of food we make.

the government makes interest payment on its borrowed funds. The national debt is essentially the total amount of money the us.government owes to its creditors, and this debt is maintained by borrowing money through the issuance of treasury securities, which are like loans to the government from investors. They carry interest, which the government must pay back to its creditors. This is usury, as it's a charge for the use of borrowed funds

Fpbtfo

Looks like 0 from those quotes op

Then I go bust his legs up, or call get law enforcement involved.

So enforcing your debt requires violence and the state. I rest my case, leaf faggot.

The national debt is a totally different issue, doesn't usury normally refer to loans to an individual?

Oh are you in for a wild ride of how the money system actually works. I'll give you a sample. All of the american people (and this happens in other countries too) are forced to pay back the interest on the money the government borrows. And bonds? It's a promise to foreign banks and cartels to tax their citizens. Aka, an enforcement of slavery to make productivity. You're a slave.

What case? You never made a "case".

Violence is within human nature, and I live in a society where I pay my dues to have access to a law enforcement.

No you live in canada, cuck.

Zero.

National socialist doctrine is the acknowledgement that everyone should live in peaceful ethnostates with their own people, and not live in other people's countries.
And the economic policy side of it is to structure the economy in a way that disincentivizes parasitism like rentiering, and also shuts out foreign investors keeping all the prosperity inside the nations borders, no international jew stealing the profits that your people worked for.
Money will be printed debt-free interest-free by the State Bank, instead of the current central banking system where the money is created by "loaning" it from the jews, i.e. you are on the hook to jewish private bankers for the loan and its interest even though it came from thin air.

nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdf

There is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral about people feeling more comfortable and inspired when being surrounded by people like themselves. In fact, it’s what is best for everyone intellectually, emotionally, physically and spiritually.
When communities are homogeneous, there is an instinctive obligation to look out for one another. Society goes from zero sum adversaries to cooperative big families.

People are happier; civic engagement explodes; prosperity is more evenly distributed and enjoyed and culture flourishes.
It’s all been definitively proven by all sociological studies and the entirety of human history.

Imagine getting this salty on the internet lmao.

Stop worrying about made-up numbers, look at the world in terms of physical resources. Money facilitates trade, it makes the resources move around, but we're still ultimately concerned with physical goods like food. If your nation doesn't make enough food, you trade something for it (sell other goods for money and buy extra food). If you make too much, you sell it. If you meet all your needs and still have excess resources, you buy a luxury.

America's top of the world in purchasing power, our average salary obtains more physical goods than anyone's. We do have a trade deficit, we're losing more physical goods than we're gaining, but it's not nearly as bad as many nations. We're rich with resources, on both the national and individual level, and we have free choice how we use our resources. I don't feel enslaved at all.

You're not listening to what the fuck I just wrote to you. You're going "it's not that bad, look things work like this".

Let me repeat what I just told you. We're in debt. You're in debt. It's enforced. By violence or arrest. The government has an obligation to keep us as slaves to be taxed and worked. And when we try to cheat (counterfeiting, dont pay taxes, even sometimes not working), we get punished severely.

Im not sure if being ignorant is the best idea.

Im no geologist, but whats up with this?

Meh. Its not the mona lisa. Itll just have to do.

Of course you're punished for not contributing to society, taking from your nation's finite food without giving back. You think a debtless nation will allow that? Europe's currently demonstrating what happens when you support a bunch of useless eaters.

Dude just shut up and read and stop saying stupid shit.

It's all bullshit if you don't have a country to give away your wealth to

1%

Don't participate in usury and shame family members who do.

Anon you're the midwit that isn't reading and comprehending what others are saying. Your worldview is that of a simpleton who would be easily swayed into being a useless idiot.

Interest rates are legitimate. They are the price of risk and time. If someone lends money to another, he is risking not to be paid back, and he can't spend the money while it is lent, so he is postponing expenditure, which is very similar to an investment. When interest rates are very high, it does not mean that the moneylender is trying to suck you off, but that he thinks that the reason why you are asking for a loan are not profitable, so the risk is very high. For example, interest rates for TVs are stupid high, because they are consumer products and not profitable at all, so if you pay a TV with credit then you are probably not very finacially responsible, which is translated to interest rates, and are not usury no matter how high they are.

define usury, muslim define and use the word incorrectly

Fucking antisemitic thread right here

>be me, non retard

always hear people complain about interest rates

"interest is stealing my money!"

"why do I have to pay more than what I borrowed?!"

be like, time to drop some knowledge bombs

start with car rental analogy

"You rent a car, you pay a fee, right?"

everyone nods

"So, you're paying for the time you have the car, right?"

more nodding

interest is like that, but for money

you borrow $1000, you pay interest to have the pleasure of using someone else's money

just like how you pay to use someone else's car

lightbulbs go off, people start to get it

go deeper

"money is a good like anything else"

you want bread, you pay for it

you want someone's time, you pay for it

you want money, you also pay for it

it's all the same economic principle

bring it home

if you borrow and pay back right away, you pay less interest

just like returning a rental car early

the longer you keep it, the more you pay

people start to understand

interest isn't evil

it's just the cost of using something that isn't yours

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maybe the world is a bit more economically literate now

one greentext at a time

end of story

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Totally wrong,

Interest isn’t like renting a car because money isn’t a finite depreciating asset. its a socially constructed medium whose “rental” creates profit from scarcity, not actual use or wear.

How much usury is acceptable to you in a free country?

however much the goyim will pay without rioting
have you started rioting, goy?
no? then the % rate is just fine
On gelt iz keyn velt

Anyone can say something is "legitimate" and enforce their bias..

What was asked is how much usury is acceptable in a free country?

The money you borrow isn't a physical goods though, or even real for that matter, the banks lose nothing by lending money

And thats the trick. They lose nothing and gain everything.

Usury is what gave jews their power thanks to the Jewish Borgia Pope

Usury would be good to be outlawed completely but people are always going to want to get money now to be paid off later

The money you borrow isn't a physical goods though, or even real for that matter

then neither is your salary physical or real
but you insist you get paid on payday, not a day later
curious
is it perhaps because time is money and you're a commie retard?

I don't have to pay interest on my salary and the work I do is what generates those money for me

Zero.

and the work I do is what generates

so you value your time and what you do with it, good
the bank values time too, that's why lending money isn't free

they lose nothing by lending anyone money, there is no goods or time being traded

How much usury is acceptable to you in a free country?

The national debt is a totally different issue

That’s not what he was talking about dumbass. Our currency is issued via debt with interest. Every single dollar created must be repaid with a dollar plus more. It is literally impossible for debts to be repaid because the currency does not exist to repay it. How is it you think that the banks control the economy? Any time they pull back from loaning and issuing new currency, debts can’t be repaid and it crashes the economy.

Banks manage money and loans. They do the tricky work for you and are a direct middle man to the governing body that issues the money and protects the you and the "stuff" you make, extract, work with etc. In order for banks to function they need their share of the money pie.

How much usury? Strange questions. Do you mean what percentage rate for usury are we comfortable with? Or how many individual instances of usury?

Usury is not defined by the interest charged, but by the fact the loan is unsecured. So even a 1% unsecured loan is by God's definition usury.

For me personally I am not okay with any usury. God's law specifically forbids it. I also don't believe that the jews fooled God with their bankruptcy statutes. Even if it did, we are still a nation of sinners because student loan debt is usury and non-dischargeable.

the governing body that issues the money

Banks are the ones that issue the money, dumbass. Loans are how new money is created. And if you don’t believe me, Greenspan was explicit about this.

I already answered that

time being traded

yes time is being traded
you're trading your "later" for a "now"
if time isn't the issue, why do you need a loan?
why not wait until you save the cash?
somehow, time is important to you, but not to the bank?

The difference is that economic activity (production, service, utility, etc) creates value in the form of physical things or execution of tasks such as medical care, repair, etc that back up the value of monetary circulation; since our currency is fiat, the value of economic drive backs it up. Usury corrupts money because it's a premium charged of economic transaction itself, with no corresponding value to match it.

Thats why also counterfeting is punishable by life in prison since it effectively destroys the dollar on basis.

Central banks aren't like JPmorgan or TD, they're directly affiliated with the government, in the sense of the US power of the purse is a food example.

Banks manage and allocate where the money goes based on a number of risk assessments to everyday people and business owners. They don't create the money that we use, they simply manage it.

a sane response

imma screencap this for posterity

No, individual banks create currency through loans. It is true that the fed also does it, but the main issuer of currency is individual banks. The fed manipulates the level to which they issue bonds through the overnight rate.

I didnt think you were being serious. Because that comment seems like a good argument for having no usury. You should make up your mind.

*issue loans

Zero. You might as well ask how much rape or murder should be tolerated.

If its a fair trade, why do you suggest there will be riots from if too much "fairness" occurs in the country

Based credit creation theory knower.
professorwerner.org/pubs/can-banks-individually-create-money-out-of-nothing-the-theories-and-the-empirical-evidence/

We do have a trade deficit, we're losing more physical goods than we're gaining

Nope, due to your reserve currency status USD is overvalued, so what is actually happening is that you print worthless paper while getting actual goods in return.
Trade deficit simply means that your imports are larger than your exports, meaning you are getting MORE goods than what you are putting out there.

It's funny how Trump's lies about "rest of the world taking advantage of America" got people mixed up that they think the situation is the opposite of what it really is.

The problem with overvalued USD is that it makes American labor too expensive in an international capitalist system so production is moved elsewhere,
this is not good in a long run, lets say if USD was to lose its reserve currency status, the amount of printing you do would immediately crash the dollar and give you Zimbabwe levels of inflation.

In fact the reserve currency status is the only reason why America is able to give so much money to useless eaters whether its niggers on social security or jewish (((investors))), that produce nothing and do no labor.
Without the reserve currency status even if you had 99% tax rate it still wouldn't cover all the niggers and jews.

That's what the tariffs are trying to fix, trying to bring production back to the U.S. so if the multi-polar world order happens and USD loses its reserve currency status i.e. rest of the world gets tired of carrying the niggers and jews of USA, there is at least production capability in USA when the dollar crashes.

USA does have most of the natural resources and other advantages it needs to produce everything locally so it would make sense moving production back in anticipation of this, not to mention that while average Americans have gotten a major advantage of the overvalued purchase power of USD so far, all that advantage is increasingly going to jewish (((investor))) pockets and not actually helping the avg White American.

No. commercial banks do create most of the money in circulation through lending, fractional reserve banking. central banks are tied to government policy, but they’re often independent in operation and not simply public tools like the treasury,comparing them to passive money managers ignores their active role in money/credit creation.

it's a half joke, half truth
there needs to be a % rate on money because time is money
but it it's too high, people riot and crash governments
we have central banks to determine what % rate is tolerable and, supposedly, optimal for the economy
no random dude on the 4-chinz can answer your question with anything but a joke and a yiddish proverb

A wrong response actually. You clearly dont know anything. Why do you even try to argue? Im curious why?

Fucking none. A loan at most should have a flat one time low fee. This parasitism is ridiculous. But keep voting.

it's a half joke, half truth

So you admit half of what you say isnt true.

Central banks are (((private and independent))) organizations made of several jewish private banks so its the jews that control the creation of currency, not the government i.e. the people, and this is by design, it is where the international jew derives all its wealth and power.

National socialist doctrine is the acknowledgement that everyone should live in peaceful ethnostates with their own people, and not live in other people's countries.
And the economic policy side of it is to structure the economy in a way that disincentivizes parasitism like rentiering, and also shuts out foreign investors keeping all the prosperity inside the nations borders, no international jew stealing the profits that your people worked for.
Money will be printed debt-free interest-free by the State Bank, instead of the current central banking system where the money is created by "loaning" it from the jews, i.e. you are on the hook to jewish private bankers for the loan and its interest even though it came from thin air.

nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdf

This is why NSDAP Germany had to be destroyed, the jewish bankers did not actually give a shit about Poland nor about the jews in summer camps waiting for deportation.
They cared about NatSoc economic policy not spreading to the world as that would have been the end of the international jew.

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You clearly dont know anything.

I know enough to be financially indepdendent and without debt

So you admit half of what you say isnt true.

no, I'm saying half of it is a joke
a joke doesn't make something untrue, just funny

Since Germany's run of sextupling their economy in just six years using NatSoc economic policy, making Germany the richest nation per-capita from the depths of Weimar where jews looted everything and Germans were poor and starving, let's use post-war Japan as an example of a country that used to have similar economic policy.

Single-income households haven't been a normal thing in Japan for 20 years now.

Their profits are being plundered overseas, so it doesn't benefit the Japanese economy. The "foreign investor" is nothing but a parasite.

Let me explain.

This is entirely because of the jews, the stagnation they are experiencing is because the jews stole their banks and economy in the 90s.
Libertarian shabbos goy idiots claim that the Japan's post-war economic boom is an example of the gloriousness of unfettered capitalism and opening up the economy, but that is ENTIRELY untrue.

In reality post-war Japan used a very similar economic policy to NSDAP Germany, but instead of calling it "national socialism" they called it "welfare capitalism".
They basically turned the wartime production to producing quality consumer goods, the companies were free to compete and industries to govern themselves, however the central bank (bank of japan) was in strict governmental control and they controlled the interest rates and gave loan quotas to the japanese private banks. And most importantly, the economy was closed, they kept the (((foreign investor))) out entirely.
Because of the jewish propaganda that has been going on for so long, people today are very economically illiterate and don't understand that you don't actually need the jewish banker, you don't need the (((foreign investor))) for anything.

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you dont need to sign your posts here

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You can have the state-owned central bank print the money needed for whatever, debt-free and interest-free, and you can get the foreign capital by exporting goods and services.
This model actually worked so well that japan ended up with a astronomical trade surplus in the 80s and the wages and quality of life were the highest in the world.
The international jewry however, was seething because they were denied the opportunity to leech from the japanese economy.
So they devised a plan that they first forced the plaza accords down the japanese throats and used plants in the BOJ to hike up the loan quotas to unreasonable amounts and they were forced to the private banks, so the private banks HAD TO give out loans even if no one really wanted them.

Then all that extra cash went into property, creating a massive property bubble which came crashing down in the 90s. This was all very deliberate, so the Jewish IMF could then swoop in and "rescue" the japanese economy.
They made demands such as forcing the BOJ to become (((independent))) (((private))) organization, decoupled from the government. And also they forced the selloff of the Japanese private banks to the (((foreign investors))), and opening up the Japanese economy to the (((foreign investors))).

And that is how the Japanese economy was stolen by the Jews.
That is the same blueprint the Jews have used to force such changes in many nations of the world, that is why most central banks are (((independent))) and not in control of the government.
They use Jewish organizations like (((IMF))) and the (((World Bank))) to indebt entire nations, thus placing them firmly under the Jewish bankers heel.

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This is actually the real NSDAP Germany's "crime", that they tried to extricate themselves from the jewish cartel of international banking and (((independent))) central banks colluding with them.
I obviously can't fit all the facts in couple of posts, but the following documentary is excellent for anyone interested how our monetary system actually works, how the central bank and private bank relationship works, and why the control over money supply and interest rates is no longer in hands of the people, but in the hands of the international jewry.

Princes of the Yen | The Hidden Power of Central Banks

youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

None, at the very least compound interest on a loan would be illegal and you only pay a small percentage of the total loan as a service fee for borrowing the money.

So you admit half of what you say isnt true.

no, I'm saying half of it is a joke

Ok i get it. When you try to argue the merits of usury, there isnt any other way than to be a clown who lies half the time.

There's only at certain periods of time a certain amount a specific currency in circulation, a finite amount, until say the federal reserve pumps more money into global economy for USD.
A bank like again, TD, cannot create more currency that is available in circulation, it might seem like smaller banks create more money, but they don't.
A good example is the stock market, there's always a buyer and a seller, and if the stock price goes up, it means someone with more money than the seller is willing to turn over their hoard of money. It doesn't mean money was create. Banks take interest payments, give loans, and manage money, that's pretty much it. It's not that complicated really.

you must be the life of the party

we need medieval economics because it's traditional, o algo

They don't create the money... their a "trust" as in, an institution trusted by the governing body to issue the money to citizens, who the bank "trusts".

Anon, you are just wrong. The method of issuing currency is through bank loans. When a bank loans money, that is them creating new currency. This isn’t some grand comspiracy or anything. Even Greenspan was explicit about this,

Nazi germany had a central bank like any other central bank operated...

Where do you think the banks get the money from? Their money printing machines?

You might actually be retarded. Almost all money now exists solely on computers. They type numbers on a screen and create money out of thin air.

Fundamentally people wouldn’t invest as much capital if they didn’t expect some reasonable return on that capital in the near future. It essentially “greases the wheels” and lubricated the whole economy. At the same time when you transfer money creation to a private bank and the entire economy is now switched over to an inflationary debt based economy you’ll get to a point where everyone is just up to their eyeballs in debt.

No they don't. Just that there's so much money out there they need to use computers to keep track of it all.
You really think a regular bank just creates currency at their whim?

You can't even comprehend how much money is in circulation, can you?

Totally wrong,

Wrong

Greased the wheels to end up in lots of debt.

Another way to put that is it was the lube for rape.

Nigger, you are wrong, plain and simple.

at their whim

Sort of. Five years ago, all reserve requirements for lending were withdrawn. When a bank loans money, they don’t actually have the money that they are lending. It comes out of thin air. How exactly do YOU think new money is created?

faggot who worships a jew alert

1At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD'S release. 3Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;

6For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

wake up retard

It's created by the central bank.
Banks don't have all the money in the world, but they have access to entities like, other banks, people's TFSAs, RRSPs, etc and assest management company's like blackrock that will loan the bank money if need be. Hence the term money in "circulation".

I’ve never seen a free country.

Makes you think about who treats others as their neighbor, and who doesnt.

yeah, youre gonna have to start accepting youre wrong and listen to what youre being told.
its called double entry book-keeping.

basically for every positive amount of currency you have in your bank account there is an equal and opposite negative amount of money in another account. this is called debt.

any private bank can issue as much debt as they want (10 times as much as they have reserves) and they do this by loaning you a million for a mortgage, which is anihilated when you pay it back and this money dissappears. the fun part is you pay them extra by way of interest, so basically they make you their little bitch and have you running around getting their food because you trusted their word

yeah. christians supposedly shouldn't lend at interest, and jews should but only to goyim. both beneficial to jews, taught by a book written by jews, perfectly mirroring our current financial system. must be a crazy coincidence

Then why can’t we just have a flat fee that can get paid off more easily instead of compounding interest? Because it’s not about paying for the money it’s about being a debt slave to bankers, the compound interest in a mortgage pays over 30 years so that’s more money in their pockets. If I just had a 5 or 10% charge tacked on to the home loan instead of a traditional mortgage I could pay it off in 10 or 12 years instead of 30 or 40 now. But they don’t do this because that would keep them from making money hand over fist on the backs of the working class.

Youre making up your own verses now. Maybe you should write a better bible if you dont like the one we already have.

i didn't quote any verses in that post. the bible is perfectly designed, as its purpose is to extract value, both material and spiritual, from the goyim and accrue it to the jews.

>raising capital from investors who expect a return on their investment

This is almost the opposite of usury. In the past a man would have an idea for a capitalist venture. If he didn't have enough money or simply wanted friends and relatives to join in they would pool their money. If it was successful they would get as reward the percentage they invested. If it was a loss they would take the financial hit as a percentage they invested. But risk and reward were invariably linked. Enter the jew who preyed on those without connected friends and family. He lends money for a venture. If it is successful he gets just the interest (usury) agreed upon, usually calculated based on expected maximum success of the venture. If it is a failure he still gets the usury. And if the usury isn't paid the borrower (and his family) gets punished by the government until the usury is paid. Possibly sliightly less reward with almost no risk. Breaking the link between risk and reward.

You didnt quote any because you wanted to enforce your bias instead.

Why would usurers want a book which turns people against them saying they arent godly? They would much rather try to ruin that books reputation.

Do stocks and currency trading also "create money"?

This. Even with a good mortgage the average person has to pay for their house twice. Once for the value of the home and once just to fill the jew's greed. Student loans are another great example. What is burying people isn't the principle, its the compounding interest that never stops accumulating. Now a fair solution that wasn't a slap in the face to the responsible people who settled for less expensive schools and/or deprived themselves to pay off loans in a timely fashion would have simply been to put a cap on interest. But no politician on either side dares touch the jew's bread and butter

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Have the 1pbtid retards actually been forced to try and 'NO U' real threads? I know they're easier to spot than ever, but I didn't think they'd be stupid enough to think they could get away with kind of blatant obfuscation.

That doesn't mean they're creating the money, they get the money from everywhere they can and loan it out based off risk, that's why interest exists.
They arent creating the money like as if say congress sets an amount to inject into the global economy. Banks can reel in money which are then paid back to the central bank and it's theoretically "destroyed", that's about it. Again, do you know how much money is out there for people to shuffle around, including Banks?

a book which turns people against them saying they arent godly

you mean a book that crowns the king of the jews as the one omnipotent god of the universe? from a pagan baseline of zero? gee i wonder

17Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. 29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.

Debt is voluntary

Read, nigger.

Right just like income tax is involuntary and as an insult to the injury, the people that end up getting a refund check because they paid too much, do not get that refund with interest incurred.

Christcucks are fucking retards that can't comprehend the basic concept of the time value of money. No one is going to give you 100 bucks and expect to only get 100 bucks back. If you don't like it just don't take out a loan? Is that so fucking hard?

usury: charging interest on a loan for consumption.

scenario one: I borrow your lawn mower (a tangible object). You tell me that I have to give it back tomorrow with a case of beer. Not usury.

scenario two: I borrow a dozen eggs. You tell me I have to bring you two dozen tomorrow. Tomorrow comes and I only have one dozen. You say, ok that is the interest, and you still owe me a dozen. same next day and the day after. you keep collecting eggs and I remain in debt despite paying you 10X over. Usury.

That doesn't mean they're creating the money

yes it does
on monday there is x=total amount of money A (usd) in circulation.
on tuesday i get a loan for y=1 million usd, therefore on tuesday there is x+y=total amount of money A (usd) in circulation + 1 million usd.

this is an oversimplification but you get it.

the us government trades bonds(bondage) for usd.
you trade a mortgage(dethgrip) contract for usd.

in both cases usd is being exchanged for an equal amount of debt (plus interest)

now since usd was decoupled from spanish silver, they are no more than certificates, i can make certificates, think about it because it really is no different, i can make certificates of value, i can have a stash in a box in my house of paper slips with my signature, you can knock on my door one day and we can agree to a contract by which i loan you paper slips with my signature and you promise to return the same amount of equal slips in a certain time, and some extra for my troubles. so without altering the size of my stash i produce enpugh slips to satisfy your loan and write you down for a debt. now you can use these slips and trade in my trust and credit for foodstuffs or shelter.

NSDAP Germany is probably the freest country there ever was without going full retard anarcho-trannyism.
The only real rule was that you couldn't do anything that is against the people's interests, otherwise you're free to do as you wish.
As it should be.

The book says nothing about usury being a good thing for people, thats the point. Your unhinged targeting of jesus is irrelevant.

No one is going to give you 100 bucks and expect to only get 100 bucks back.

This isnt a fact, this is you enforcing your bias.

Can I have $100? I'll give you $100 back. Eventually. Probably.

This isnt going to make what you said a fact, and you are still attempting to enforce your bias.

Yep, government could give zero-interest loans easily.
In fact that's exactly what the NSDAP government did, give zero-interest housing loans to new families and forgive 20% of the loan for each child.
Have 5 White children = house is free.
In the long run that pays off for the government i.e. the people too, since more White people will mean more income, more power, and so on.

NSDAP economic policy was pretty much perfection, its extremely sad that history turned the way it did, that they ended up destroyed by the jewish forces.

I'm not him, I just want an interest-free $100. I bet a lot of people will want it. I bet more want it than want to give it.

You are only allowed to talk about Israel and the rapture.

Instead in the current system which is INSANE, government "loans" money from the international jew, loan in quotes because that money literally did not exist before the moment of lending, so it is printing from thin air EXCEPT that its created as a loan, the sovereign government and its people are now beholden to the jew for the loan's principal and interest.
In the current system the principal of the loan is not even meant to be paid off, just the interest, and this means that the people will need to keep working harder and harder giving the fruits of their productivity to the government via taxes which then used those taxes to make those interest payments to the jew.
Jew literally gets free money out of thin air, its INSANE.

This INSANE system is of course so exceptionally good for the international jew, that is never wants to see it destroyed and will do everything including subverting countries to fight its enemies like NSDAP Germany and destroy them so it would not happen.

If only Hadrian had done the needful in 2nd century AD and finished all the jews off for good, we wouldn't be having any of the problems we are.
Not only the current jewish parasitic international banking system wouldn't exist, but ideologies like communism would have never existed either.
And the negro would have never left Africa, had the jewish slave traders not existed they would have never brought the negro to the Americas and Caribbean.
Imagine Americas without a single drop of jewish and negro blood. South America wouldn't be the crime-ridden shithole it is today, it would be a paradise.

The damage that jews have done and continue to do to humanity is immeasurable.
Without them, we'd probably be a type 2 civilization on the Kardashev scale by now, mining asteroids for resources and harnessing the energy of sun or the earth's core for our energy needs

I don't doubt it. Theres so many desperate people right now, americans have been ravaged by usury.

Those same Americans are so retarded that they wouldn't be able to pay off their 0% APR loans anyway. Even without "muh usury" they'd still be unable to pay back their UberEats Chipotle orders and iPhone 17 Max Pros because we're disgusting pigs that only know how to CONSOOOOOM

6.66%

The institutions of usury that are upon them are the same ones upon everyone else not profiting from usury.

Unless you are profiting from usury, you should be for its abolishment.

Understand?

usury is defined as taking interest from "your neighbor". christianity sees its neighbor as everybody (since it's universalist/inclusive). judaism sees its neighbor as only other jews (since it's ethnic/exclusive). both of these positions are beneficial to jews as it allows them to collect interest, but not pay it. ask charlemagne

6For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

usury is defined as taking interest from "your neighbor".

Thats your definiton. And it shows in the way you attempt judge the bible.

Christcucks when they accidentally receive 9 cents in their savings account that was the result of the bank using their savings to collateralize a loan that was used to fund a 30 year mortgage to get a family to purchase a house or a small business a piece of machinery that they couldn't afford with cash out of pocket

no that's the bible's definition. show me anything that says something different. it seems like i know the bible better than you. many such cases

old testament: written by jews, in hebrew, for jews

new testament: written by jews, in greek, for gentiles

both of them: beneficial to jews

get it?

Its simple,

If bibles helped the banks, the tellers would hand them out. Spare me your shifting of the blame.

Ok, so whats your alternative to this book which talks about how evil banks and the synogogue of satan are?

0. Even 1% is usury.

banks should loan money for free

to rediscover our roots and our own gods. this started in the renaissance when the plebs learned how to read and the church was weakened, with the old god returning. it's not an easy path, as much has been lost in the thousand year interim from the fall of rome to the renaissance, but it must be done if we are to live.

synagogue of satan

that's you lol. you don't need the jew book to have a good life or afterlife. we can forge our own destiny

9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

runestone.org

Sounds like you want people to be ignorant.

This is the spirit of the kike Dodge brothers coming back to dance on the grave of the abandoned American worker. Ford fought for fair wages, while the kikes fought for securing profits for investors. Dodge one that lawsuit and it has set the precedent for all following cases. You allow jewry in. They see profit to be gained from ill intent. Ford understood that a happy worker is far more valuable in the long run than zog slaves. Fast forward to today, all corpos treat human labor as expendable goyim. Once your back is broken trade them in for the next fresh 18yo to buck break. The landfill of broken Americans turns into the welfare parasites and criminals/bums. When you bring this up to Econ majors they try to shut down the conversation by saying you are antisemitic. You do not hate the rich enough. DuPont poisons the world with microplastics and everyone keeps looking around for the culprits. They have always been in plain site. The issue is there are too many targets to deal with before you inevitably get tacked out and labeled as to discourage copycats.

In finance it's just the cost of debt and little to no one would be incentivized to lend otherwise. I understand that. The problem comes when banks start evolving to the point where they don't need to prove their assets they lend on, start doing fractional reserve banking, cause all kinds of problems (like bank runs), and then they turn into a network of banks helping each other lie and scam, and then that further evolves into entering into a symbiotic relationship with the government which can get "funding" for that it wants and in turn keeps the parasitic banks alive, issuing more and more inflationary currency.

It's a super fucked up system in that way. If it was simply two parties with capacity to understand and enter into a lending contract for their own reasons then I don't see that as much of a problem.

The problem is central banking Jews and the monopoly formed by lying and cheating their way up, and now destroying the value with money out of thin air being generated to keep the monopoly / house of cards going.

Islam is the greatest religion. Christcucks need to spiral about how much degeneracy is okay.

Abrahamic religions are the problem. Whites for the most part understand(inb4 trailer trash meth cooks) all other races without religion end up reverting to animals. If you had a strong enough culture(similar to Roman inscription and training) you beat out the previous programming and allow only those who can assimilate. Multiculturalism is a schizophrenic ideology that assumes you can have competing ideas fight for power peacefully. Even though we all know judaism is antagonistic to all goyim. Islam cannot exists with other ideas due to them trying to force their thoughts on others. Christians are the most compatible by design. To ignore the transgressions of all others. Imagine an ideology where you hold your ancestors in high regard but understand history from an unbiased perspective. Brought together not by race or religion but giving yourself wholly to the culture of mankind. The civilization and progress brought about by all. Many like to talk shit on the 3rd reich but without nazi science we wouldn’t have modern day medical procedures or our tech. It’s not about blaming anyone for this or that, it’s about understanding how and why. Only by adopting a basic idea of merit based on one’s own progress contributing to the whole can you move forward. Right now everyone is just trying to jew everyone else. The goyim are tired.

jesus says be a decent human being

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This is my problem exactly. You only think in jewish tricks. You assume it’s a false dichotomy. You do not need to surrender to kike propaganda to be a decent human. I don’t need to bring up all the evil done in the name of god(whatever shit idol you worship). I don’t need to have some schizo voice speak to me to know not to beat a dog or rape some weak woman. It’s that religion you are so proud of that they shield themselves from all criticism. You will throw yourself in front of any danger facing the jew. Your reward will be them spitting on your corpse as they trample over you. Goyim when will you learn.

jesus talks

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jesus exists

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Is there any realm where jesus doesnt upset you?

Usury is entirely jewish. Jews own the international banking system.

Sub-zero.