Which diet is best?
Which diet is best?
Everything is black and white!
Opportunistic cannibal.
I eat meat and chads and chuds drive cars and eat bugs for the stacies
How about you stop attaching your faggot identity groups to normal things
Slide thread. 1PBTID.
Omnivore. Fuck you niggers, I'm eating beans with anchovies.
Humans should eat mostly vegetables with chicken and fish thrown in
Going too far in either direction is a stupid Jew psyop
I haven't been I'll in years.
All I eat is fried chicken, potato's, sushi, junk food.
All I drink is soda.
I haven't seen the sun in months.
I fap constantly.
I'll probably live to be a hundred based on genetics.
Diets aren't real.
Holy fuck, the perfect diet! I wonder which one I'm talking about...
(It's both. At once.)
I just made a pork loin covered in onions.
What we we having today lads?
You have to eat a little bit of everything, your body needs alot of stuff to not have any kind of deficit.
I'll have a nice steak with some mashed potatoes and a nice broccoli salad, please.
I'm an omnivore. I like steak and potatoes. I like Chicken and rice. I like bacon and grits.
Both together.
Pussy.
Which diet is best?
eating jews.
I love grilled cheese sandwiches, and French toast.
I cant imagine a life where I cant eat potatoes
Both in totality are bad compared to omnivore, but pure veganism is more difficult unless you get substitutes. You can get most of what the human body needs through meats
Never heard of genetics
The sheer cope of these dietfag grifters
One that doesn't include processed slop.
I'll put your baby sister in my passover bread
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Far Right NS burger diet. Check fucking mate.
carnivore by far
carbs for anabolism after intense exercise
If I had to choose I'd chose eating meat of course.
MEATATARIAN!
meat and leafy green vegetables is top. carbs and sugar are trash. grains are mid and should be avoided if possible. oils are fine as long as theyre not 40% of the calories youre consuming. fuck off retard
/thread
I would eath both.
Too much red meat isn't really good for anyone.
Excess protein just fucks up your kidneys, and arteriosclerosis is real.
The Inuit are just about the only primitive people we know of who ONLY ate / eat meat, and archaeology seems to indicate that they never lived past their 60s while on their traditional diet.
Compare to the Okinawans, who ate something like 90% plant-based foods, with small amounts of fish and pork.
The Inuit are just about the only primitive people we know of who ONLY ate / eat meat
(mainly because you know... no plants in the arctic)
Mixed.
Eat your meat with vegetables
Eat both
Eat less
if you wanna be an omnivore you also must physically work most of the day and do regular fasting periods
otherwise going strict carnivore/keto is the only way to keep yourself young and healthy
personally I'm motly carnivore (5 days a week), but eat oatmeal, potatoes & honey twice a week after intense runs and gym
MRNA is in everything. It doesn't fucking matter now.
Meat, veg, and cutting out most sugars and processed carbs. Don't fall for the grain jew
dude only eat meat haha
my shits are massive and painful but I'm owning the libs haha
that's a nice way to get a shitty old age with brittle bones because you didn't exercise and grow muscle
Seriously, the body requires a wide range of nutrients. The reason why traditional diets exist is because our ancestors had to source the nutrients they needed from their local environment, not factories and supermarkets.
The healthiest, tastiest, cheapest dishes you can make are what your ancestors made before industrialization. If you use ingredients from farmer's markers, fresh produce, you save even more money.
A lot of country people live like this and eat delicious homemade traditional foods from local farms every night, recipes handed down by moms and grandmas all the way back to the old country (redneck word for Europe).
both are equally retarded
people who obsess over diets generally are as well, you body is literally a machine that turns whatever you throw at it into something useful
as long as you eat enough of everything and you don't have obvious deficiencies then it's whatever
huh? my shits are fine, seems like a personal issue
I'd recommend more probiotics like yoghurt
he thinks you only eat 95% lean
Eat more fat, retard. Also, fucking chew.
eat nothing
die
You actually get tiny smooth shits. You only get the squits if you overeat, which you have to force yourself to do because the food loses flavor once your body has had enough if it. Easy thing to do is it a bunch of a lean meat and bunch of bacon, you will projectile shit out loads of paste. If you just eat fatty meat and organs until the flavor disappears, then you will never deal with nasty shits.
Fruits are a good source of water and electrolytes.
both are gay
be a vegetarian instead
Plantbased but almost no processed food.
Vegetables are a cope for lack of meat. That said, you must soak them to get nutritional benefit, and minimize the damage they cause to your body. Antinutrients will fuck up any human's growth.
he also doesn't know you don't shit as often when you do strict carnivore
I did strict carnivore for 1 years and I usually pooped once every 2 days, very thin shits.
Carnivore produces way less waste by far, because you digest almost everything you eat.
Neither.
Veganism will kill you with malnutrition and the carnivore one will clog your intestines and ultimately give you ass cancer.
You need fiber for proper bowel movements and carbs for energy, aka vegetables, fruits, etc., and you need protein, aka meat, for your muscles, immune system, hormone production... Basically your eating habits need to be as diverse as possible.
Plants do not contain any essential nutrients. Meat does. The nutrients in plant foods are largely not bioavailable to us, while also containing antinutrients and other phytotoxins. You must soak them to properly prepare them.
Hello, food pyramid shill.
Plants do not contain any essential nutrients
The only essential nutrient that's really hard to get in plant foods is vitamin B-12.
Veganism will kill you with malnutrition
10 years vegan here. No malnutrition yet.
Normies actually have more malnutrition by the numbers, but it’s easier to hyperfocus on the few vegans doing weird shit diets.
I've been doing Carnivore for 5 months. Big tips I learned is you want most of your meat to be Beef, Lamb, Bacon and Eggs. Pork roast and chicken makes me feel awful if eaten 4 days in a row. I try to keep whatever Beef cuts I buy to around $5 a pound.
I eat 1-1.5 lbs of Beef a day, + sausage or bacon and 6 eggs. Around 1900-2100 calories and under $10 a day.
I feel fine if I eat 1lbs of 70/30 ground beef a day but it gets old. I eat in a 4 hour window 8-Noon.
few vegans doing weird shit diets
how are the frugivores doing these days?
what was her name, the banana girl or whatever?
lacto-ovo vegetarian here, and yeah, my doctor basically always comments on how much better my health is than others my age.
Why not just eat both of those plates clean? Jewish false dichotomy, spreading the truth amongst two sides and then pitting those perspectives against one another. Eat the steak. Eat the tomato. Not that hard.
Humans are obligate omnivores. We need to eat plants and animals for optimal health and fitness.
Those dieters that restrict themselves to less food groups are degenerate faggots.
the carnivore one will clog your intestines and ultimately give you ass cancer.
lmao
you're a fat retard
fiber is indigestible, one of its few uses is feeding certain probiotics to produce short chain fatty acids, which you wouldn't need to produce if you consume them directly from animal products
carbs are good to eat occasionally, but by no means essential
most of the time they are unhealthy, depends on context
News to me. All the protein in muscles animals have (that y’all eat as meat) came from plants at one point or another. Plants in turn get it from root bacteria or fertilizer.
Animals can’t take nitrogen from the air and create a protein.
This, fuck both.
10 years vegan here
(actually only 2 and I feel good just cause my previous diet was total shit by comparison)
zoomer takeover in slowly killing themselves is hilarious
how are the frugivores doing these days?
That be what I’m talking about. I eat beans, peas, legumes, nuts, seeds, starches, veggies. Not just fruit.
I do basic carnivore but im not strict, been doing it 4 years now. Meat is any kind, beef, pork, chicken or fish
4 Eggs for breakfast
Some piece of meat for lunch, maybe boiled potatoes with it
Another piece of meat for dinner
Snacks are berries, apples, bananas etc
No alcohol, coffee and no bread or pasta, all my psoriasis went away and 15 years ago i broke my ankle and would get periodic swelling and pain, all completely gone now
wrong
obligate carnivores
opportunistic omnivores
we're not our great ape ancestors, our intestines are considerably shorter
the only reason we can still eat vegetables is because evolution is gradual, not abrupt
westonaprice.org
My bad. Plants don't contain essential nutrients that you can't also easily get from animal based food. Animal based foods have fifteen essential nutrients that you can't get from plant based.
Elimination diets are a good way to cut out polluted foods and promote healing. Long term a "carnivore" needs to get the fruit and honey, and probably milk back in. This guy found out:
non strict carnivore
this is omnivore my dude, I hope you workout like crazy with that diet
The large intestine is an ancient organ derived from our herbivorous evolutionary ancestors. It is powered by butyric fatty acid (the energy source preferred by herbivores, rather than glucose). Our large intestine uses bacteria to convert insoluble fiber into butyric acid. Animals fats generally do not contain butyric acid as animals convert vats into large chain fats instead.
carbs are good to eat occasionally, but by no means essential
Our morphology and physiology is specifically designed to break down and utilize carbohydrates.
Humans thrive on a diverse diet, and this diverse diet also enables humans to conquer virtually any biome.
Animal based foods have fifteen essential nutrients that you can't get from plant based
That's just plain not true.
Meatcucks like Sv3ridge (or however the fuck he spells it) love to go on endlessly about things like K2 and heme-iron that are not essential nutrients.
plants also have many antinutrients and toxins
I’m gonna be real, cause I like you kid.
It’s somewhere in the middle.
toxins
Meat has tons of toxic shit in it too.
Dioxins are a huge problem in meat, for example, and they use nitrates and nitrites in meat to keep it looking fresh for longer (no one wants to buy a grey t-bone).
I run 5k every Tuesday and Thursday. Im active every day with my kids, i actually switched to this diet and dropped booze because i want to live long enough to see my eventual grandkids
They also wash most meat in ammonia after slaughtering because cows live waist-deep in their own shit, so slaughterhouses are filthy as fuck.
How about eating like a normal fucking human being
we're not our great ape ancestors, our intestines are considerably shorter
Are intestinal length and morphology matches that of omnivores. The fact we still have a large intestine means we must eat plants.
the only reason we can still eat vegetables is because evolution is gradual, not abrupt
We still eat plants because we haven't been forced out of the herbivorous niche by competitors. Omnivores are the supreme beings in the ecosystem as they are the most adaptable.
Elimination diets are a good way to cut out polluted foods and promote healing.
Just eat whole foods, not processed foods. refines sugars, fats, etc. aren't that harmful though, however, keeping them limited is generally better.
Grilled a mock tender. Had macaroni and cheese and salad to go with it.
The large intestine is an ancient organ derived from our herbivorous evolutionary ancestors. It is powered by butyric fatty acid (the energy source preferred by herbivores, rather than glucose). Our large intestine uses bacteria to convert insoluble fiber into butyric acid. Animals fats generally do not contain butyric acid as animals convert vats into large chain fats instead.
I agree, except for the last part. We make butyric acid by fermenting animal products. There's a reason butyric acid sounds like butter.
The reason why gorillas aren't carnivores is exactly what you're saying, they convert most of the plant matter they consume into fats.
Our large intestine isn't nearly as large as that of gorillas.
Our morphology and physiology is specifically designed to break down and utilize carbohydrates.
it was, until we started evolving big brains for which we needed to prioritize carnivore food sources
Humans thrive on a diverse diet, and this diverse diet also enables humans to conquer virtually any biome.
I agree, we also need to exercise most of the day and we also need periods of starvation (fasting), which we don't do.
A carnivore/keto baseline with moderate carb consumption is the diet adaptation we need for our modern life habits. No way around it.
It's the only way to mimick a natural lifestyle whilst also being competitive in modern society.
I eat 80% meat and 20% veg daily. My health has never been better and my testosterone has skyrocketed. I've done this diet for 3 years now. It has kept me at 12% bodyfat.
It's not really up for debate that primitive humans relied on meat (hunter gatherers and the like)
But it's an intense area of research and debate how long we have been eating meat for...
The shortest estimates put it at the start of the last ice age, with the hypothesis being that we had to eat meat to cope with the lack of plants.
The longest estimates put it at 1-1.5 million years or so.
Mix of both.
The fact we still have a large intestine means we must eat plants.
It means we can, doesn't mean we must.
Omnivores are the supreme beings in the ecosystem as they are the most adaptable.
Agreed, but I was talking about modern humans, not natural humans. Our lifestyles aren't even close to those of our ancestors, we don't get to burn all our carbs, we don't get in and out of ketosis daily.
The only diet adaptation for modern living is low carb. Otherwise you're not gonna be competitive in the modern world because you'll need a significant part of your day to exercise.
with the diet you describe, I'd run daily, or at least do long brisk walks (1-2 hours minimum)
not to mention gym or at least calisthenics like pullups, dips, etc
It means we can, doesn't mean we must.
The problem is that meat goes rancid in your gut pretty quickly and produces all sorts of nasty byproducts.
This is why carnivores in general have such short systems.
If you're eating meat, you want to get tons of fiber to help push it through faster.
Something like 96% of Americans don't have enough fiber in their diet...
The problem is that meat goes rancid in your gut pretty quickly
pseudoscience
just eat probiotic foods (fermented milk or meat)
Back when I did strict carnivore for over a year my shits were clockwork, once every 48h
never felt constipated
Most of our ancestors ate bread and cheese every day and meat in moderation because it was expensive.
I would not go for extremes to be honest, our ancestors very rarely ate solely meat and pretty much never ate only vegetables.
Freshly baked bread with butter, a thick cut of cheese, some roasted tomatoes, a couple slices of cured meat, a fried egg or two and a bowl of soup, that's a good meal.
Btw, the reason carnivores have such a short system is because they don't need to ferment food in their guts, they do most of their digestion in their stomach
even herbivores need fat, hence why they have a long large intestine to produce it by fermentation
Eating meat fucks up your karma and makes you prone to jewish kabbalah spells. Evil kike sorcerers tried to kill Hitler with magic and put some curses on him, but it didn't work. Then some jewish witch was secretly adding bone marrow to Hitler's food. Guess what for.
Oh my god, not THEY!!!
We make butyric acid by fermenting animal products
what retarded horsehsit
you lying nigger
our bodies need fiber to produce butyric acid
A balanced diet.
Butyric acid naturally occurs in butter, hard cheeses (e.g., parmesan), milk (especially goat's and sheep's), yoghurts, cream, and in some other fermented foods (e.g. sauerkraut, pickled cucumbers, and fermented onions products) but in very small and insignificant amounts for gut health.
Just use google, brainrot vegan, it's not that hard
20% right 80% left.
Anything else is wrong.
whole-food plant-based is best
solves more health problems than any other diet
only one proven to be able to reverse heart disease
forksoverknives.com
The best diet would be one that includes both of them.
This is how NORMAL PEOPLE eat.
sounds reasonable, I'd tend to agree with the longest estimates
You ever go back to a tab and hit refresh and don't even remember why you were in the post at all? That's this post.
Knowing NORMAL people for being the obese landwhales they are, I'd be skeptical of copying their diet
drinking destroys your brain
Yea, I'd bet straight up water fasting is even better than "whole plant based" nonsense
our ancestors also knew what it was to work hard
you can't cherry pick one aspect of their lives and ignore the others
We make butyric acid by fermenting animal products. There's a reason butyric acid sounds like butter.
We don't ferment animal fats, they are almost immediately absorbed.
Butter contains butryic acid because cows are herbivores, they use bacteria to convert insoluble fiber into butyric acid. Most of their digestive tract needs butyric acid because they are herbivores. They do not use glucose.
Only omnivores use butyric acid and glucose. Glucose is often lethal to carnivores and carnivores do not convert food into butyric acid. Meanwhile, glucose is also dangerous to many herbivores and many must convert food into butyric acid. The consumption of glucose and production of butyric acid is a trait of omnivores.
Our physiology more closely resembles that of chimpanzees, bears and pigs than any carnivore or herbivore.
Our large intestine isn't nearly as large as that of gorillas.
Because we are omnivores.
it was, until we started evolving big brains for which we needed to prioritize carnivore food sources
We still produce enzymes on mass to break down and digest carbohydrates. This isn't some vestigial trait.
we also need periods of starvation (fasting), which we don't do.
We fats when we sleep, hence breakFAST
A carnivore/keto baseline with moderate carb consumption is the diet adaptation we need for our modern life habits. No way around it.
Humans are historical, and in almost all living tribes, primarily plant based. The longest living and best health human populations eat mostly plants.
It's not really up for debate that primitive humans relied on meat (hunter gatherers and the like)
They also eat a LOT of plants. Even the most carnivores tribes on Earth spend a lot of time and place a lot of value on plants because they are absolutely essential to human health.
But it's an intense area of research and debate how long we have been eating meat for...
Well over a million years. Chimps are omnivores.
I'm not drinking. I just finished an hour on the bike. Feel pretty good. This post is however full of midwits and retards that think they are experts on a subject they know nothing about. It is a complete waste of time talking about human nutrition and diet on Anon Babble and that has been displayed countless times on here. Making these posts should be an instant month ban
Normal.
That’s cool. I’ve done every diet, and imo anything that lowers calorie intake skyrockets energy and immediate health.
Long term health you don’t see for decades (other than teeth which is quicket) is another story.
pseudoscience
It's pseudoscience that carnivores have short digestive systems?
check your ancestry
Chimps are omnivores
Barely. They eat the occasional snake or bird egg or insects.
The only diet adaptation for modern living is low carb.
People get in trouble today not because of carbs, but calorie density from processed factory foods.
It means we can, doesn't mean we must.
No, it means we must because the large intestine NEEDS plants or else it will develop extremely bad, sometimes lethal, disorders. The large intestine is a very large and energy intensive organ, it wont be kept around for long if it's only used some of time.
Agreed, but I was talking about modern humans, not natural humans. Our lifestyles aren't even close to those of our ancestors
It depends how you live your life
we don't get in and out of ketosis daily.
We go into ketosis any time we sleep.
Carnivores have short systems because meat is digested and absorbed very quickly, a larger intestine is just wasted energy.
read the green text
Alleged "experts" aren't experts either, otherwise we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic
vegan will keep you alive longer, with a healthier lifespan. Carnival meat clowns get everything they deserve for rolling the dice on their health based on youtube supplement salesman memes.
People get obviously sick from processed foods
But that doesn't mean even "healthy carb" eaters don't get subclinical features from a lifetime of suboptimal lifestyles (which eventually become what we call "old age diseases")
Cows are herbivores, their main energy source is butyric acid. But the fat in a cow's body is NOT butyric acid. If your body produces and absorbs butyric acid then that is a sign that you are either a herbivore or an omnivore. Carnivores do not have this ability.
Animal based diet. Not carnivore and not vegan
This guy is obviously on some kind of gear.
They eat a lot of other animals, including monkeys.
One race of Chimpanzees (I believe it was the North race) that developed the ability to create basic spears for hunting. Chimps practice hunting so often that they have developed hunter mentalities and form hunting parties.
We go into ketosis any time we sleep.
bullshit, the reason why people are fat is because they barely even get into ketosis, 0.5-1 mg/dL isn't real ketosis
No, it means we must because the large intestine NEEDS plants or else it will develop extremely bad, sometimes lethal, disorders. The large intestine is a very large and energy intensive organ, it wont be kept around for long if it's only used some of time.
that's stupid
we would've fucking died every winter if that was the case
It depends how you live your life
no shit
I meant 0.5-1 mmol/L*
testosterone is a 'weird trick' meme. Its supposed to decline naturally as you age. Hunter gatherer populations have half the test of amerifats and zero prostate cancer.
yes, exactly my point
omnivores evolving to carnivores
our large intestine is becoming a vestigial organ
lol
Shut up Jew or chink
Trying to get Americans to commit slow suicide.
Cults always cut out meat for their new members , lack of proper protein makes men faggots.
I don't think so anon. He just eats healthy, has low stress and works out
Hint.
One is a summer diet, one is the winter diet.
facts don't care about your feelings
The best diet is that steak with the "vegan" side mixed together in a bowl with some of that Japanese Steak House dressing and a good beer or wine with a glass of cold water.
Right lol
Listen to these shills , low T is bad lmao
bullshit, the reason why people are fat is because they barely even get into ketosis, 0.5-1 mg/dL isn't real ketosis
We go into ketosis any time we sleep, babies also regularly go into long term ketosis, etc.
Ketosis is just a secondary energy consumption phase. The only animals which use ketosis on a near permanent basis are herbivores. Carnivores, meanwhile, tend to convert fats and proteins into glucose.
Only omnivores naturally switch between the two regularly.
we would've fucking died every winter if that was the case
Winter is lethal, yes. But this is more of a long term issue. Our body can store nutrient typically derived from plants for periods just long enough to prevent the large intestine from developing lethal health issues.
We are a tropical species which evolved to have constant access to plants and animals.
Both plates look delicious, eating strictly one or the other is obviously unhealthy
the one americans don't know of.
Our large intestine is not a vestigial organ. It has about the same ratio as that in Chimps, bears, and pigs. Carnivores and herbivores are less adaptable and lack the beneficial nutrients of having both food items.
We are in biological terms apes and apes ear nostly fruits and vegetables and only meat only here and there when they plunder a bird's nest or some mice
We still produce enzymes on mass to break down and digest carbohydrates. This isn't some vestigial trait.
if and when there is carbohydrate presence in the intestine
Our physiology more closely resembles that of chimpanzees, bears and pigs than any carnivore or herbivore.
animals with a mostly carnivore diet in the wild, yes
Humans are historical, and in almost all living tribes, primarily plant based.
obvious bullshit
ligurians eat mostly fish and pork
okinawans owe their long lifespan to eating pork
as soon as ww2 rolled around with survival foods (mostly carbs) their lifespan started to decline to the point it's no longer the case in contemporary okinawa
It has about the same ratio as that in Chimps, bears, and pigs.
which, again, are also primarily carnivore
I understand in chimps it varies from males to females
males seem to consume a lot more meat in the wild than females and cubs
Incorrect. If you check the Randle cycle you're going to find that most of the problems we have today are caused by eating both fat, and carbohydrates at the same time. It causes high fatty acid levels in the bloodstream, and simultaneously high blood sugar levels. i.e. You end up diabetic.
Throughout our evolution we ate a seasonal diet, different food stuffs were only available at different times of the year and they have dramatically different effects on our metabolism, hormones etc.
All anon threads are 1PBTID.
1PBTID complaining is a gayop
Based brapmaster
Better. Vegan. Both are horrible for you.
carnivore.
try both for a month see which feels better.
half this country is on a vegetarian diet.
they're all fat and unhealthy even the rich ones.
reason with yourself.
could your ancestors really gather potatoes from south america,onions from the asia,olive oil from southern Europe and put it on the table everyday.
or did they simply hunt a cow or a bison and eat it with the rest of the tribe
if and when there is carbohydrate presence in the intestine
We produce enzymes to break down and digest carbs starting from saliva onward, it is a systemic wide ability involving thousands of physiological and morphological traits.
animals with a mostly carnivore diet in the wild, yes
Of the animals that have the most similar digestive system to humans and their calorie consumption from plants:
Chimps: 87-98% from plants.
Bears: 80-90% from plants.
Pigs (wild): 86-96% from plants
ligurians eat mostly fish and pork
While it's difficult to pinpoint an exact percentage, the traditional Ligurian diet, like the broader Mediterranean diet, emphasizes plant-based foods, with studies indicating that plants constitute a significant portion, likely 80% or more, of the diet, with animal products making up the remaining portion.
okinawans owe their long lifespan to eating pork
98% of their calories come from plants, especially that of the Okinawan purple sweet potatoes.
as soon as ww2 rolled around with survival foods (mostly carbs) their lifespan started to decline to the point it's no longer the case in contemporary okinawa
Okinawans are one of the longest living populations on Earth.
That said, many centenarian populations tend to have unique genetic traits which enable them to have long life spans and good health most independent of their exact food ratio.
With the way the world is any diet that isn't killing you is best.
We are a tropical species
funny because ice cold baths seem to extend lifespan
the longest living recorded human (Marie Calment) lived to 122 and she lived in the north of France without any central heating system, to the point her plumbery often frozen for months at a time during winter
We go into ketosis any time we sleep
again, bullshit
we should, but most don't, that's the problem
Ketosis is just a secondary energy consumption phase
sure, that's why my brain works best while on ketosis, makes sense (sarcasm)
Lumping sugars and starches together as "carbs" is just revealing your ignorance.
Starches form the bedrock of a healthy diet.
It's basically the best nutrient category for easy-to-process, sustained energy that doesn't get converted straight to body fat when consumed in excess.
You need both
reason with yourself.
could your ancestors really gather potatoes from south america,onions from the asia,olive oil from southern Europe and put it on the table everyday.
or did they simply hunt a cow or a bison and eat it with the rest of the tribe
This jeet speaks the truth.
Stop being a fence rider and choose one or the other
Chimps: 87-98% from plants.
absolute bullshit stat from chimps in captivery
Bears: 80-90% from plants.
probably also bullshit
Pigs: 86-96% from plants
not sure, but I know for a fact they prefer consuming nuts (because of the fat) so that should tell you something
holy fuck get in here, we got a wise leaf ITT
that's a fair point.
carbs get broken down into simple sugars all the same, but sure, they are a better source (lower spikes)
That still doesn't mean they're healthy to be eaten constantly, we need to be flowing in and out of ketosis daily, not on constant carb burning mode
Chimps eat meat whenever they possibly can. It's absolutely their favorite food.
Apparently there are vegetables we lost from even 500 years ago.
funny because ice cold baths seem to extend lifespan
False.
the longest living recorded human (Marie Calment) lived to 122 and she lived in the north of France without any central heating system, to the point her plumbery often frozen for months at a time during winter
Most centenarians have genetic traits that allow them to do this.
we should, but most don't, that's the problem
Unless you are eating carbs while you sleep, you MUST go into ketosis while you sleep or you will DIE.
sure, that's why my brain works best while on ketosis, makes sense (sarcasm)
Disturbances in dietary patterns and sleep patterns, etc. can lead to people developing a form of "mental high" which is largely a temporary effect of your body and brain gearing itself for what it thinks is chaos in the environment.
Some people with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia used to intentionally induce sleep deprivation to trigger this high, the high would actually alleviate their mental disorder symptoms. The use of lithium and shock therapy was then introduced to simulate the effects sleep deprivation highs in a more controllable way to alleviate mental disorder symptoms.
The majority of your diet should be vegetables and like 15% meat, mostly chicken and fish.
also
Okinawans are one of the longest living populations on Earth.
Based on a study conducted in the 50s, just after ww2
They didn't have time to fuck up their lifespan with a shit plant based diet
Link a recent study and then I'll believe you
He's 46 obviously on gear.
my shits are massive and painful
Imagine exposing yourself so hard for having zero knowledge on this subject without realising it.
No, it shouldn’t, you weak faggot
he doesn't have strong signs of it... he could be on something, but this is a natural look when youre lean
A mix of both. Extremist faggots in both sides are the worst
humans are obligatory carnivores if you consider our calorie needs
and exclude modern food like dairy and agri culture
> funny because ice cold baths seem to extend lifespan
False.
Cold temperatures can reduce metabolic activity, which can lower DNA damage and oxidative stress.
A 2018 study found that mice with lower body temperatures survived up to 20% longer.
Cold water immersion for seven days can improve cellular resilience and autophagic function, which may help cells manage stress better.
Just use google
Unless you are eating carbs while you sleep, you MUST go into ketosis while you sleep or you will DIE.
Yea, if you eat a reasonable amount of carbs per day
(under 80-120g, depending on physical activity)
Most people eat carbs to the point they store glucose and it keeps accumulating.
Diabetes is a thing you know?
Disturbances in dietary patterns and sleep patterns, etc. can lead to people developing a form of "mental high" which is largely a temporary effect of your body and brain gearing itself for what it thinks is chaos in the environment.
Some people with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia used to intentionally induce sleep deprivation to trigger this high, the high would actually alleviate their mental disorder symptoms. The use of lithium and shock therapy was then introduced to simulate the effects sleep deprivation highs in a more controllable way to alleviate mental disorder symptoms.
the mental gymnastics are unreal
do you have any proof of this?
absolute bullshit stat from chimps in captivery
You can just research it yourself instead of treating your brain like a toilet.
Most omnivores, including humans, prefer to eat plants due to the lower energy expenditure, lower risk, and high polyphenol nutrients acquired when they attain plants.
prefer to eat plants
Yup, you know fucking nothing. Laughably wrong.
1PBTID
Shut up Jew nigger pedal you leftist bullshit on Reddit
You just eat both of the plates....
humans can't get enough nutrition from plants out of very narrow and rare natural circumstances
No.
I am starting to question which one myself after seeing animals who are meant to be vegan eating other animals. Sometimes... we just gotta eat because literally 'survival'
wild
free-roaming
in natural reserves
right
not like humans haven't killed off fauna diversity and they're forced to eat survival foods
It's a toss-up. Some nutrients aren't available after a cow processes them. It's mostly micronutrients that the cow uses to grow and stay healthy, but it doesn't all pass to the meat. But plants are hard to get everything from. Meat is easier. Eat both.
How about you link a study because every reputable source I can find states that Okinawan ate primarily plants both before and after WW2, which is consistent for most human populations on Earth during that time period. Even Americans around the 1950s acquire 70% of their calorie from plants, they considered eating meat a relative luxury. So image how the rest of the lesser/non industrialized world ate without the luxury of industrial farming and science to amplify meat production.
Carnivore diet is beyond amazing, and the only reason I stopped it, is because I could no longer afford it to be purely meat eater.
But the couple months I hate only meat, liver, stomach fillings etc, I felt great, I got easy and quick gains, my senses were sharpened and I was pretty happy
we need to be flowing in and out of ketosis daily
only if you're a fatass with 50 extra lbs of body fat you're desperate to lose.
metabolizing fat is difficult and painful for your metabolism.
carbs are by far your body's preferred source of energy.
Fish. It's an island.
Mice
Yet the longest living HUMAN populations live in very warm tropic environments.
Meanwhile, Winter always sees a spike in death rates in environments where it snows.
Literally 1 second search
Prewar Okinawa had more than 100,000 pigs. However, after the Battle of Okinawa, hog population decreased immensely bringing the number to about 2,000, according to government data.
Intermittent fasting and avoiding overly processed foods. You can eat pretty much whatever you want as long as it isn't goyslop garbage and you aren't eating like 6000 calories every day because it is spread out over 3 meals.
He's 46, obviously on T. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that but lets be honest about it.
Ketosis is a natural process
You have brainrot
We didn't always have fuckin costco at our doorstep
you can do eggs so vegetarian is possible without supplements but vegan is not
as said in nature there is not enough nutrition going around for pure herbivore humans outside very rare
circumstances and even then it barely sustains them
humans are oblivatory carnivores without modernity
You can survive on carnivore, you cannot survive on vegan. But eating a little bit of everything natural, minus the factory processed slop, won't do you any harm.
Most people eat carbs to the point they store glucose and it keeps accumulating.
Humans will still produce ketones even if they have glucose stores when they enter a fasting period such as sleep.
Diabetes is a thing you know?
Studies have conclude over and over again, that neither fat nor glucose causes diabetes. diabetes is strongly associated with obesity, regardless of the cause of the obesity. Essentially, if they system has to process excess energy of any kind, it appears to accumulate unmitigated damage leading to diabetes.
do you have any proof of this?
Of what, specifically? You can look this stuff up, it's not some esoteric knowledge.
Winter always sees a spike in death rates in environments where it snows.
and it's obvious why, too much of a stressor can kill you, especially if you're old
doesn't take a genius
Meat was a status symbol.
The lower castes were deprived from it and ended up short and skinny.
The Kshatriyas are all the meat, and we're and still are 6 feet tall.
Look up the average height of India or bangladesh to understand how significant that is.
Industrial meat farming, was the enabler of egalitarianism.
Fuck you vegan cult subhuman, I advocate that every vegetarian should be cut up for human consumption
Ketosis is a natural process
There's a reason keto people always whine about feeling like shit.
Your body doesn't like burning fat. That shit's supposed to be for famines.
There's a reason high-carb vegans run ultramarathons while you sit on the couch shitting up Anon Babble with your YouTube Nutrition degree.
I'm on keto, that means bacon and eggs for breakfast every single day and my choice of ham, steak or ground beef for dinner.
I've lost a hundred pounds in less than a year doing this while getting big protein and little working out.
We're made to eat meat.
it's Lent, so vegan.
There is absolutely no vegan, I wouldn't be able to beat up and rape
Humans will still produce ketones even if they have glucose stores when they enter a fasting period such as sleep.
wrong, it doesn't need to, carbs are easier to transform into energy than fats
plus we're not really made to have glucose stores, it often stores in inconvenient places, like between organs
you keep spitting bullshit that isn't real
Studies have conclude over and over again, that neither fat nor glucose causes diabetes.
This fact is brought to you by Kellogg's
Of what, specifically? You can look this stuff up, it's not some esoteric knowledge.
the burden of proof is still on you
all that shit you said sounds to me like mental gymnastics to reassure yourself that your diet is good for you
I would be able to rape men
um, congratulations on being brave enough to post about being gay on Anon Babble I guess.
Okay? But people eating tons of plants and little/less meat tend toward the longest lived. Unless you have something better?
Using the diet gurus themselves as example.
I run marathons on keto, it's the best diet for endurance.
Not so much for explosive energy surges though, which is why I eat carbs on gym days.
People who claim to feel like shit on keto aren't doing it right. Lack of electrolytes most likely.
Which diet is best?
bulking
Obviously we're meant to eat meat. Nevertheless, anyone that says we should eat solely animal products (carnivore) or solely fat (keto) is crazy. These diets have medical applications but are not meant as long-term nutritional strategies. They are used to alleviate an already disordered state. For instance, ketogenic diets help children with autism and people with cancer because they allow to reduce inflammation and the effects of mitochrondrial dysfunction. Similarly, many patients with autoimmune diseases exhibit reactions resembling allergies to all kinds of foods, preventing them from absorbing the nutrients from their diet. Usually eating a carnivore diet is effective in such circumstances as even the least processed plant foods plant foods contain fiber which can worsen gut dysbiosis (not to mention pesticides). It seems to me that, in case of many modern health issues, animal-based approaches are preferrable to veganism, vegetarianism etc. even if the latter are effective against some ailments.
They do. Hunting takes a lot of energy and risk. If you injury your flesh or break your bone, you are DEAD.
Omnivores tend to be almost as risk averse as herbivores. Bears regularly pass up game animals in favour of dandelion leaves and berries.
Humans don't need that much nutrients from animals. Meat is a potent source of nutrition, you only actually need 10% or less of your daily calories from meat. Many tribes, both historical and living, acquired more than 10% of their calories from meat. And those that did where the exception and those tribes that did get more than 10% often placed a strong, almost religious, value on plants because plants contain extremely critical nutrients, especially when it comes to reproduction.
The Maasai tribe, for example, have their men eat only animals and dairy (dairy carries some plant nutrients that meat does not), but they FORBID women from carrying this practice because this leads to lethal birth defects because only plants have sufficient folate. Without folate, baby brains and nervous systems will not form correctly, or at all.
Similar, Inuit have a tradition of collecting and drying barrels and barrels worth of kelp and berries. In Canada, the Artic circle mining companies stock up worker quarters with dried berry boxes (like raisin boxes) because the Inuit LOVE berries, they eat berries by the handful.
Meanwhile, after hunting Caribou, they will cut open caribou stomach to get access to grass which is fed to the elders.
the similarities between the two are that of no processed food and no sugar
Really make me think
not like humans haven't killed off fauna diversity and they're forced to eat survival foods
Monkeys are a pest species, certainly not killed off. What kind of fauna do you think chimps hunt other than termites, monkeys, and small animals?
Okinawans ate fish before and after WW2, but that is still within the 2% meat consumption that studies show.
Can you provide a link?
muh anecdotes
yes, eat meat and fat as you need it
if you're gonna exercise, eat carbs as you need them
if you're not gonna exercise, do as close to zero carbs as possible, eat low carb vegetables occasionally
never eat processed foods
wake up with the sun and watch the sunrise
sleep always on the same schedule
Why do most distance runners load up on carbs the night before a race then?
Yet you think dunking yourself in cold baths is going to be healthy?
Lol.
Hmmm, look at this tropical species, evolved to live in a tropical environment for millions of years.
You know what will really help this species?
Daily ice baths!
Gay?
No, I'm bisexual.
Please don't contribute to Bi erasure.
And brave?
Lol.
because they run for performance
they're competing
have you ever tried to run at a 4:50 min/km in a marathon?
you can't keep up that effort output without carbs
I hate fags. You goddamn Indian fags make me sick
Height is strongly controlled by genetics. Food intake, especially protein can amplify height, but it has significant limitations.
yea, stressors are good
that's why some plants have medicinal properties
ever heard of hormesis?
this is literally a pro-plant foods talking point which you should agree with
and that's not even the record, record is around 2:50min/km pacing, which is fuckin insane, that's my 1km race time, and I end up fuckin dead afterwards
Environment and genes work in tandem.
Nothing is purely genetic.
When you are descended from millenia of generations of vegetarians who live in some of the greenest regions on planet earth, yeah you're gonna be short
Bi is just another word for incel who has to fuck dudes, but still wants ladies.
A bi female is just straight
you are indian
The two main things you need to avoid in diet is inflammation and blood glucose spikes. Inflammation is bad for obvious reasons and has systemic symptoms. Chronic inflammation actually damages your organs and tissues.
The other insidious thing that damages your body, organs, and tissues is elevated blood glucose levels. Even if you don't have diabetes , eating a carb heavy meal will spike your blood glucose enough to a point it damages your body. Left unchecked it develops into pre-diabetes and then diabetes. Diabetes is a terrible disease and developing it must be avoided.
So:
Inflammation
Elevated blood sugar levels
That's what your diet needs to address. There are also food intolerance, food allergies, and other diseases like Crohn's or IBS that can influence what a person's diet should look like. Everyone is different so everyone does better on different diets. Although there are general rules that apply for everyone. Processed sugar is bad for example.
For inflammation
you want to avoid inflammatory foods and load your diet up with anti-inflammatory foods and foods high in antioxidants which protects your body from free radicals which wreak havoc on your cells.
For blood sugar control
avoid foods with a high glycemic index and foods that spike your blood sugar. That means limiting carb heavy foods, except vegetables and most fruit which have enough fiber to cause a delayed release of sugar into the blood stream.
The pancreas and beta cells will thank you. If you over-stress and overburden them too much your insulin resistance goes up and then that's when bad shit starts to ramp up.
STRESS IS BAD I FEEL LIKE SHIT ALL THE TIME IM SICK OF IT
They'd probably hunt anything they could, but the only animals left are monkeys and small shits.
I guess we'll never know what chimps were like in their peak.
it's bad if it's constant, I agree
that's the main problem with modernity
constant anxiety as if a wild animal is chasing you that never subsides
CARNIVORE DIET IS BAD FOR YOUR DIGESTIVE SYSTEM
Nutrition-wise, meat is the best food by far.
You didn't even compare properly
If you have symptoms like unexplained body pain, joint pain, and feeling tiredness, it might be because you're eating too many inflammatory foods. Adjust your diet accordingly.
Red meat and processed meat is inflammatory. You want to limit red meat.
MEAT DIGESTS INTO ACIDIC JUICE... IT DON'T MAKE POOPS CORRECTLY
Drink some sugar water. It's the best way to drop your cortisol.
How about chicken is that okay
R u serious
Why not banana milk and peanut butter with walnuts and honey
This infographic is somewhat wrong. Nuts and seeds belong on the right, dark meat belongs on the left.
Cacao is good, but chocolate in the US is mostly processed sugar mixed with basedbean derivatives and therefore highly inflammatory.
Le red meat bad is such a fucking meme. Steaks is much much less inflammatory that chicken because cows are ruminators and they can filter out seed oils from their muscles as a result.
I don't want to huff my own farts, I want to huff anon's. Can you eat radish for me too?
Isn’t everything inflammatory?
Yeah, poultry is good. Fish and shellfish is great. Nuts and legumes are good for fiber and protein. People that have illnesses like IBS would want to limit high-FODMAP foods which certain legumes are.
wrong, it doesn't need to, carbs are easier to transform into energy than fats
Humans will produce ketones when they sleep, this is just a fact.
plus we're not really made to have glucose stores, it often stores in inconvenient places, like between organs
Excess glucose is converted to glycogen and stored in vital organs such as the liver. It's not inconvenient.
all that shit you said sounds to me like mental gymnastics to reassure yourself that your diet is good for you
Omnivorous diet is objectively the best diet for humans. Considering how it's been like this for millions of years and is near perfectly universal across the Earth today, show any carnivore or vegan population with longer life span and better health than say the the Seventh Day Adventists in North America which are one of the longest living and best health population on Earth living in North America, they eat mostly plants and a small amount of fish and chicken. They are one of the few centenarian groups which likely does not possess a strong genetic trait for health and longevity in comparison to the typical centenarian populations living on island or geographically isolated areas.
I read this but it's the opposite for me, I used to bite my nails all the time when I ate coke and shit like that
The only carbs that I can eat are potatoes,sweet potatoes and the like.
Sugars fuck me up, grains fuck me up. Except for whole oatmeal, for some reason.
The ray peat diet
ate
drank* kek mental fard, too much online time
Anyway, consider Mongols, they’re like gigachad version of Asians. Their diet is mostly meat and dairy.
Humans will produce ketones when they sleep, this is just a fact.
source
Excess glucose is converted to glycogen and stored in vital organs such as the liver. It's not inconvenient.
The liver isn't supposed to be storage, it's a blood filter and it also produces part of the bile
Oh, yes, Dvidshub, the most reputable of sources. LOL
You have to do better than some blog post. Also, Okinawans, due to them being conquered by the Japanese, sent most of the pigs to mainland Japan anyways. This is also why they lost so many more pigs than usual, because the Japanese government increased demand on meat for soldiers.
In reality, Okinawans then and now regard pork as a luxury and they would have annual pork festivals when it came time for slaughter which would last for about one week in a year. As you might imagine, a pork festival makes sense for a culture which generally lacks pork for most of the year, sense it is a special event.
BALANCED
>Isn’t everything inflammatory?
This is why intermittent fasting is so important. Humans should take like 2-3 days every few weeks and fast. No eating anything for those 2-3 days. Just drink water. Extended fasting promotes autophagy which is basically your body cleaning up and maintaining itself. During fasting you give your body's metabolic processes a much needed rest. It basically resets your metabolism and lets your body clean itself up. After fasting you will notice how fresh you feel again. Your body refreshes, resets, cleans up, and you'll feel more energetic. You can't talk about diet without including fasting.
Consider ancient humans. They wouldn't have food readily available all the time. There would be periods of fasting and then periods of eating when food was hunted or gathered. The body evolved to make use of these periods of fasting. And if you want to anti-age max then fasting is crucial.
Anyway I've to go sleep.
All I know is I feel best when I alternate between strict carnivore periods, fasting periods and omnivore periods with high intensity workouts.
We'll agree to disagree I guess.
>Sugars fuck me up, grains fuck me up. Except for whole oatmeal, for some reason.
I'm the same! I think I'm intolerant to gluten. Sugar and carbs spike my blood glucose levels. Elevated blood glucose levels make me feel so tired and like shit. I can't eat carbs. Low carb foods make me feel "cleaner" and fresher compared to carb heavy foods which put me into a terrible slump.
Neither is optimal
but in terms of retard diets carnivore is way way worse. Vegan can sort of be managed to be semi healthy with suppliments
carnivore is gonna cause you serious health problems no matter what
A lot of the people who promote it (like fx liver king) secretly eat carbs and they also are often roiding
Frank Tufano got organ damage from doing carnivore
Not all stressors are the same. Some stressors are benign, others are lethal. Winter seasons have shown to be lethal every single time.
Meanwhile stressors from eating broccoli are benign, they allow the body to strengthen its immune system rather than giving you a straight up heart attack.
Environment and genes work in tandem.
Everything is genetic. How you respond to the environment is directly linked to what genes you possess.
In terms of height, height is 80% genetic according to twin studies. Can better nutrition increase height? Yes, but only to a genetic limit.
I'm white. Deal with this fact now so you wont end up taking a shit in your own brain and start thinking "Everyone who I disagree with is not white"
Lmao. You think chimps were hunting big game or something?
I could give two shits about "reputable sources". They're the ones who poisoned us in the first place with their greed.
The facts exposed in that article are real and public domain. I've seen it referenced by multiple sources.
If you don't accept that then do your own research, I'm going to sleep cause I'm not an obsessive diet retard who needs to prove his diet is perfection.
Have a good one dude.
I don't see why not. Some chimp populations have learnt to use spears and other tools
try doing keto or fasting periods
if carbs fuck me up that means I've been overdoing them
sure, the stressors you like are good, the ones you don't are bad
got it
I-i-its a real source, it says its real so I believe it, the Japanese had great diets until the EVIL WHITE MAN INVADED
They're the ones who poisoned us in the first place with their greed.
More like you lack of discipline.
I'm going to sleep cause I'm not an obsessive diet retard who needs to prove his diet is perfection.
Nothing needs to be proved, this is an objective fact. It is as obvious that you should eat plants and animals for the same reason as it is obvious you should breathe air and drink water. Practically every study done merely acknowledges this.
Lmao
This guy thinks Planet of the Apes was a documentary, chimps hunting down big game with spears, probably rode horses too.
Yes, stressors that strengthen an immune system are good, stressors that lead to a dead body is bad.
WOW I'm really breaking the mold with this line of thinking!
sure buddy, why don't you link me all the great studies that confirm your bias?
I'll see it tomorrow when I wake up if the thread still exists.
Have a good one
the cold strengthens the immune system too
plus it builds up protective brown fat
your bias is reaching never before thought possible
and you keep baiting me to respond, lmao
I'm a dumbass
bye
Its both of course.
But mutts cannot comprehend eating non toxic real food.
Non toxic clean meat of a real clean animal that was eating real food.
Non toxic real tomato that isn't all like plastic, but is ripe and grew in a real way.
And you do the proportions depending on your needs and work and situation.
80% roasted meat, 10% cabbage salad and 10% bread is an example.
If you have only leftovers of roasted mat from yesterday, it can be 50% roasted meat, 30% cabbage salad and 20% bread.
Like 500g of roasted sheep meat, 300g of cabbage salad and 200g of bread.
If you are some starving situation and to survive have to eat just cooked cabbage soup with traces of meat and sheep fat and a loaf of bread, guess what? Your body will be just fine with that. Because you are trained for it, just the proportion is different.
Take the 3rd path
Bye