Is massacring the rich a left wing or a right wing policy?

Axes are actually really bad weapons. They are designed for chopping wood, not cleaving skulls. Way too top heavy and the lever is too long. Something like the humble 'chete is a much better weapon.

Ask George Soros fed

Fascism is an alliance between the rich and the poor

No it isn't. Fascism just means the state and statal institutions hold all the power. It functions irrespective of ideology, which is why it's shit. Current society is just a fascist dictatorship based on libtard ideation and civic nationalism.

The rich are both oppressors of the people and traitors to the state. The only people who want to protect them seem to be this wierd group of people who are imaginary millionaires. These people who identify with musk, buy shit they can't afford to show off, pretend to be rich. I don't know what you call them but 50/50 on whether we hang people who identify as rich but aren't.

It's strictly a financial proposition. We kill the rich and mulch them. For economic reasons.
Was Ned Kelly a glow nigger?
Being rich isn't a job, the rope will decide their competency

There are a thousand working men for ever rich fag, it's not going to be a fight. The axe is more for breaking into wherever they're hiding.
We could kill these fuckers with our bare hands, curb stomp them, killing isn't a sport, this isn't HEMA or the MMA

It's certainly tied to jobs, regardless of leftist cope.

The french revolution was only a succes since they managed to get some competent rich dudes aboard, like any other succesful revolution.
All revolutions consisting solely of incompetent poor slobs fail miserably.

Consider they could have been useful when your adversary was using a shield.

For economic reasons.

Might just be too little to fix the expected fertilizer shortage but then it would align with all these efficiency and sustainability goals ... alternatively, could be nice and attempt to teach them new tricks. The economy looks like it is heading for a cliff now anyway ... ^^

left-wing, obviously. The right isn't going insane because some people have more than others.

We literally ate our prime ministers when they were too incompetent.

The people who go after top hats do it at the behest of kippahs.

Usually the other way around, jews are favoured scapegoat decoys for the top hats.

Even if that was true, incompetence is not having more than others. Learn the difference, ondermens.

Depends what the rich are doing

What about assassinations?
But the rich have stolen the national resources, undermined the military and aided the enemy. Notably China.
We take heads, not hats.

No it doesn't

jews dindu nuffin

lol sure thing retard
Where do you think you are?

but the rich steal

Not all of them. How are you gonna discriminate between the good rich people and the bad ones? If I win the lottery, I did not steal shit and got my money fair and square. Are you gonna kill me too? Apparently. lol

Define rich.

The latter follows the former though untermensch, no matter the socialistic cope.

I wouldn't call world wars revolutions personally, but yeah lefties are better at starting shit with those.

Gavrillo Princip might not have been the reason but he was certainly the spark, though i'd argue the Habsburgs to be examples of incompetent rich.

calls me a socialist while he argues for socialism

You're retarded.

Where we can all speak freely without needing to care about islamic chimping, as that's currently the most common source of censorship.

And yes i speak of them because of the "Dindu" you refer to, the sandniggers epitomise that.

Checked, ofcourse it does, it depends entirely on that, the incentives for the massacre determines whether it is left or right wing

On the contrary, getting rid of incompetents is utterly social darwinian.
Especially if they are rich, influential incompetents.

And preserving the competent ones is too.

It is a common sense policy.

is a social darwinist in 2025

Yeah you're DEFINITELY retarded. rofl

Literal "currentyear!" joke

So sorry for not joining you in cheering for the incompetents orchestrating global ruin.

Fascism just means the state and statal institutions hold all the power.

Stopped reading there

to care about islamic chimping, as that's currently the most common source of censorship.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
At a time when university funding is pulled and people are deported for antisemitism!
You dumb fucking heeb! Lurk more before you attempt this retarded shit here!

Both Mao and Adam Smith were right

Once you get rid of the rich, the state either collapses or becomes authoritarian overnight to force the plebs into productivity, so exploitation comes full circle.
See. I have more foresight than the low-EQ plebs on here.

Doesn't matter, I'm right and you're wrong. "Muh fascism" isn’t about a specific aesthetic or overt authoritarianism, but rather a structural reality: where the state, its institutions, and increasingly corporate apparatuses are indistinguishable, and all avenues of meaningful dissent are neutered or absorbed. An impotent umbrella term/buzzword like "NIGGER" to make söys like you foam at the mouth over "ESTABLISHED EVIL".

Getting kicked from the country you profess to hate by supporting their open enemies is censorship

But do go on Ahmed, tell us how totally not censorous you are when another one of your books burns.

the most physically and mentally unfit people are in charge of society

still believes in survival of the fittest

It has nothing to do with the ''current year'' but it has to do with common sense. We live in a world that's the literal 180 degree opposite of darwinism and you still argue for it. That takes a special kind of retarded.

Sounds like you just have no idea what Darwinism entails.

They are there because they have the right skills to get there, because the environment, our society, fits those cretins best.

Incompetence in the real world != incompetence in social reality.

Social Darwinism just seeks to align those two.

Is massacring the rich a left wing or a right wing policy?

you tell me

supports Geert Wilders without knowing it's a filthy gypsy jew larping as a white man

So much for ''social darwinism'' huh faggot? lol

Pretending those two are genuinely related is hilarious.

If you get outperformed by a """gypsy jew""' then that is not his fault, it is yours.

pretends I don't know what darwinism is

Yeah I do. It's literally survival of the fittest. You're bascially agreeing to the retarded notion that inbred gypsy jews are better than whites. You're retarded.

good rich

Real people killed first, imaginary people pontificated over later.
We actually have a very good definition.
The three percentiles of geared wealth divided by a hundred times the minimum wage.

In practice, it's still exactly who you would think when anyone said "rich", it's still some kind of kike billionaire.

Technically however it provides a number of exceptions:
A. Someone who's ordinary income is 30 times greater than the minimum wage. Conceivably some scientists, or people who's "wage" was effectively compensation from injury or illness. I don't think anyone would really consider a oil driller with no legs as "rich", technically, this would be why.
B. People subject to unsubstantiated allegations of wealth.
Wealth that doesn't actually exist can't be geared, so in proving wealth is geared you must actually prove the wealth exists. So people randomly accused of being billionaires.
C. People who live in places like Switzerland, where theoretically everyone is rich, but this is a macro- economic factor rather than indicative of exploitation.

Curiously, expat fags who work in IT out of third world countries, people who've compounded debt leveraging, or the richest people on small islands, would qualify. If you had every met them, you'd get this straight away.

there are thousands of working men per commie fuck too

Because you realize that a peasant society is weak and risks losing its power to stronger nations, and so the supposed savior of the peasants, the new rulers, will enslave the people to keep the machine running, just like the old elite did.

"My race makes me special and not retarded!"

Cope.
You don't even understand the statistics underlying that claim obviously.

Think of how the superior Han subjugated the nationalistic and weak Hui in China. You put yourself at the mercy of a superior power when you are a peasant society.

pretends poor people never harm anyone

Wealth has nothing to do with your morals. Most dicks I know are poor as fuck, I bet you've never even met a really rich person.

I'm suicidal and that's justice

No wonder you're dying out, faggot. lol

As a German man who liked cunnies once said, progress and greatness arise from a will to power, not from fairness, equality, or comfort. A society that demonizes its elite risks castrating itself.

Wut?
Nice non sequitur i guess, underwrites my earlier assertions about you i guess.

Getting kicked from the country you profess to hate by supporting their open enemies is censorship

Yes retard.
And they're not getting deported for hating America, but Israel.
Funding wasn't pulled because of anti white or anti American rhetoric, this crackdown is against antisemites and started after 10/7.
You joker.

If a slave driver doubled production by whipping cotton pickers, did he produce 20 bales of cotton, or no cotton?

In reality, the slave suffered twice as much, picked twice as much, so it's the slave who should get twice as much, not the slaver

That's exactly what darwinism argues. You don't even know your own beliefs, retard. lol

Uh huh, the chant "Death to America" is just a total coincidence.

This crackdown started under Trump because he was tired of the hypocrisy and America hate, and you muzzoids were and are heavily leaning on that.

That's why you still desperately try to argue this bullshit of yours when you impose nearly global censorship on anything that offends you.

Even if jews were to try to rival that depravity they wouldn't be able to.

Pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

We argue our wage slaves are free while slavers were forced to maintain their slaves or suffer from the degradations they suffered.

A slavedriver can't fool himself into thinking the cost of life (housing, food, healthcare, education) is unrelated to thecost of labor.
We can and do though.

The slavedriver's the more honest one.

(note: The slaver is the one that enslaves, neither jews nor whites ever did that part)

This crackdown started under Trump because he was tired of the hypocrisy and America hate,

Good luck with these talking points on Anon Babble yid, you have your work cut out for you.
Muslim censorship, lmao.

Yeah i'll just repeat myself: Grand demonstration of brown or islamified intellect you're giving btw.

Jewish they want to kill rich Whites.

That's purely a left wing thing.
The right doesn't kill the rich. It kills foreigners/aliens with disproportionate influence.

islamified

Oh you're one of those ''Europe is gonna become muslim'' faggots who've been screaming about it for the past 20 years and nothing ever happens. Yeah you're a confirmed retard. rofl

As stated this place is free of censorship, relatively, so seethe all you want; we remember that islam is the primary reason jews are hated here.

it's based whatever wing it is

.t Ahmed

You have to go back, i recommend doing so while you still can.
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That's part of why i have learned to appreciate Israel, they got our muslim monkeys to get themselves noticed like never before.

Myself, I see it as mowing my neibours lawn while he's on holiday.
God isn't here at the moment, until he comes back I'm just mowing down these vermin out of respect.

The men who follow me, often rapists, sadists, arsonists, thieves, but I get an honest days work out of them. Maybe it's the only productive thing they've ever done for society. There's nothing wrong with yoking the devil into an honest day's work, struggle will be my salvation, I will dig a trench for the bodies until I collapse in it and am buried along with them.

simps for jews

calls everyone who disagrees with his delusion ''Ahmed'' because he's a fag

Many such cases.

Left does it for envy, right does it for retribution

Oh please, you literally just tried to argue you should DEI'd out of your pathetic position because you are "white" while agitating against the only genuine right winger we've had since Pim Fortuyn.

And on another note, if you're such a ''social darwinist'' then why are you bitching about arabs so much? Survival of the fittest, if Europe becomes Islamic then Islam is simply superior and they are the fittest so you're as incosistent as any other godless faggot.

your pathetic position because you are "white" while agitating against the only genuine right winger we've had since Pim Fortuyn

Genuine? Pim Fortuyn was an ex-communist you lunatic. He was a homosexual liberal, not right-wing you stupid moron. You know nothing about politics. Or Nietzsche. What a surprise.

Neither, it's what comes next that's either right or left.

Is giving them huge tax cuts really being against the rich? They should be grateful to the Republicans.

People overthink it, sometimes the easiest solution is the best solution.
I find myself supporting both the KMT and MAO, is that odd? Had a mixed relationship with both.
Nobody really knows who's side national Bolsheviks are on, just that we hate the rich.

foresight

If you're Vietnamese it's probably hindsight. Someone will seize power, it won't be me, what they do is not my problem.

Arguing that new leadership will be worse is not logically valid. We don't know what new leadership will look like.
Communists care about social class, globalism, stealing. Social politics or monetary gain don't mean anything to me at all.
Fascists care about racial unity, loyalty, constancy of character, similarly meaningless.

Somewhere in the middle is national Bolsheviks. We just hate the rich.

Muslims, followers of islam.
Not Arabs per se.
The good ones can be salvaged by ridding them of that diseased religious stain.

If they are then i will accept it, but be real: They are nothing close to the pre-holocaust jews in numbers yet they are hated much more broadly and justly already.

Whether it will be in 20 years or thirty, or maybe already next year, they will be gone.
The less pathetic ones among them are already leaving too, they were smart enough to have noticed the gathering storm.

I see you're still shortcircuiting cobstantly over facing someone who does not play along with the lies you depend on, it's entertaining.

What would a purely right-wing movement look like anyway? I don't think that has been tried. National Socialists were still Socialists. They had both left and right features.
Now if we substract the völkisch spirit from the Nazis, the socialism, it turns full Darwinian, yet has to remain nationalist? That does seem like a conflict of interest.

Survival of the fittest!

Meritocracy will produce Ubermensch!

Also we wuz kings! All other races are inferior because I said so!

Foreigners out! Especially the meritocracy ones!

Well it does sound like a typic political movement actually in that it makes no fucking sense.

It's a shared ideology the only difference is for some reason, and I mean this sincerely, leftist/communists are vehemently morally opposed to naming the rich for the kikes they are. They are all about violently murdering the rich and starting a revolution but if you point out the (((tribes))) over representation and clear tribal based subversion, universal accross all of history and the world, they pivot to vehemently defending those same billionaires.

The far left and right actually overlap on a lot of issues but commies are just terminally Jew blind. It may be correlated to their ideology being nearly entirely Jewish in origin but for whatever reason that has stuck to them stronger than their desire for economic equality and it causes a lot of conflicts between the two sides to the point they will just shut down and completely void all dialogue and evidence when the jew is brought up, irrespective of context. if you ask me it's why their ideology will be permanently stuck in a state of impotence aside from the occasional billionaire leveraging them to fight for the elites interests every now and then.

Mainstream MAGA faggots have the same problem, think the ben shapiro/daily wire crowd.

They are hated because the jews have been running the west ever since the end of the war. Jews want you to hate arabs so they can take over the middle-east. That's all it is. And you're falling for it.

thinks I'm mad

Yeah no, your ilk is as mainstream and normie as they come. You're not even supposed to be on Anon Babble. This place is waaaaay to ''fascist'' and ''white supremacist'' for your taste. lol

Did I say the poor are blameless? You're arguing the corrolary.i just want to kill the rich.
Progress and greatness never really helped anyone, my will is against power, and rather then demonising the elites I just want to kill them.
My point is that no rich person can ever justify their wealth as a product of their own labour. They're just claiming money they stole from someone else.

Pick one bale of cotton, productivity.
Pick two, performance incentive
Pick three, wage slavery
But no man can pick four bales of cotton in one day, the person who claims to is a slaver.

A hundred times the minimum wage is very generous, only one in a million would do this. At that level there's really no doubt you're talking about the 1%.

There are a-racistic national movements though, civic nationalism in example.

killing the rich is a prole policy

I just want to kill the rich even though I admit it comes out of pure feelings of jealousy and anger

Ok, commie. lol

The normies and mainstream media love the religion of peace. true enlightenment is knowing muslims are the vanguard of kike army

I want to kill all rich people, the rope doesn't care. If you only want to kill the rich Jews then go ahead- the real question is would you protect the rich whites?

But most of the rich are stateless globalists with international assets. People like soros, musk, they have no country. And what about the ones who run the central banks? Would the right protect a stock broker?

Except that ain't true, lefty incompetence in both managing and accumulating great wealth makes that pretty clear.

One man who does the right thing at the right time can eclipse the value of the labor of a million men wasting their time.
And that's the crux of it:
The left pretends all labor is equal, that it is about the exertion, when that could not be further from the truth.

The point is not about what it costs to the individual, but about what is achieved with it.

Anyway duty calls, have a good one.

We have to normalise calling for the murder of the rich. It's illegal, but that shouldn't stop anyone. People shouldn't be afraid to just kill the rich wherever they happen to see them, it's like finding a dollar on the ground, it's just good luck if you've managed to catch a rich person.

This made me realze that nationalism truly is dead. Nationalism is impossible without a nation, which is why you now get tyrannical idiocracy governments ruling over mutts. It actually has nothing to do with nationalism and will actually come to produce a major problem of legitimacy; in fact we're already there. Blatant plutocracy doesn't help their case, and when was the last time a politician did what he was elected for, or did not do things he was not elected for, like destroying the country? Maybe Trump will be the first case in decades, but this remains to be seen.

Nah, they just try to rile up the whites. They know most whites have been angered by arabs ever since 9/11.

The rich whites are almost all universal shabbos goys, if a rich white had a long standing history of sincere anti-jew activism I would spare him though. Henry ford would be spared in my revolution

both, really. it just so cohencides that they start calling you an extremist as soon as you pick up their scent.

left wing
Nazism IS centre on the left wing right wing scale
but communists and lefties assert that everything evil is right wing, because communism is the wholesome everyone is happy ideology
that makes people falsely assume naziism is some super capitalistic free market state

Civic nationalism literally doesn't exist; it's a name they slapped on delusions.

I don't understand what you did not understand. The problem isn't them being rich but them being foreigners with the power to interfere with your nation.
The left loves them except for the fact they are rich, the right hates them, but not because they are rich.

I suppose technically I'm a civic nationalists, but somewhat of a trivial distinction.

I just think that because wealth is relative, who is wealthy is going to align with national currency and national borders. Somalia attacking Switzerland wouldn't achieve anything, the richest Somali is just a bad as the richest switzrnigger.
Not jealously, there's nothing in way of worldly goods or aclaim I envy. Not anger, I could be angry but I'm not.

You have no insight at all into what motivates a national Bolshevik do you, I'm open book here, nothing to hide, nothing to fear, I just want to kill the rich because they shouldn't exist, they're in the wrong place, they're a nuisance, someone has to clean them up, wash them off, burn them out, cut them away.

Do you understand? It's like ironing a shirt, killing is methodical work, repetitive, cathartic, you don't fantasise about it you just enjoy doing it. It's just my preferred kind of work.

Nationalism died in with ww2. The nazis were definitely onto something when they had some leaders saying the future would be fueding large racial groups of people fighting for the planet. Or, we all turn to mutts in the end.

But Nationalism is dying, because it was based off the nation state, which was largely based off concentrated racial groups of people declaring their territory in fancy ways.

I'm not jealous! I just want to butcher others for having more than me!

You're insane, if anybody should be butchered it's you. lol

I get why people would like Ford, but you know.... he was rich. Too bad.
Just hang all the rich people, why is that so hard to understand?
Soros is rich, hang him. Your prime minister is rich, hang him. Some industrial tycoon, central banker, just hang all the rich.

there is a lot of propaganda into dismantaling nationalism
people will be naturally nationalistic if you let them
the current system seeks to make every country an uneducated mutt wasteland ruled by wealthy fammilies
nationalism threatens this, you cant shuffle people around when they are unified and have a connection to their history and land
thats what facism seeks to attain, a unified and homogeneous nation, which is why everyone is taught from a young age facism is evil, kier stramer literally said "the holocaust should be a vital part of every students personality

Why do you want to massacre us?

People who are insane believe things which are not true, psychopaths are dishonest, sadists enjoy hurting people, but I am none of these things.

I just want to put things back in their correct place, and there is no place for the rich. They're a crease to be ironed out.

So if I get rich, you want to kill me too? That makes you insane since I don't harm anyone. I barely even know you exist, yet you only want to kill me for having more than you. Yes, that makes you a psychopath. A pretty big one too.

He fundamentally believes you can't get to the level of rich he means without harming people. He's not even necessarily wrong but imo the pathological nature he's adopted would likely backfire hard on him. That kind of mentality would just be used by another group of elite to pave the way to power for them, and then all the commies would hang when they take over.

It's kinda interesting to contemplate.
The left hates people for two possible reasons:

because they are rich

because they adhere to a contrary ideology

While for the right it's simply a matter of how said person impacts their nation, irrespective of whether they are a member or not.

Of course I agree that there is no point in individual people posessing extraordinary amounts of wealth. What good is that going to do for literally anybody? That's dynasty building stuff, and it may be fair to say that dynasts should be exterminated, because again they accomplish nothing positive with their behavior.
But there is no problem with people getting rich in a meritocratic manner. Guy invented some important medicine or technology? Probably should be rich then, or get some other benefit at least, because he actually did something positive;
but naturally this gets complicated by corporatism and complexity of the modern world, where most things are done by organizations, not small groups of individuals.

who gets the credit?

The owner who inherited it from his father of course gets 100% of the credit (and profit) because he paid the guys (peanuts) to do it!
That's why a ton of stuff ought to be nationalized or be partially state owned.

If he argues that then he's retarded for making it about wealth. If the wealth is just a consequence of evil people with ambition then it's really evil he's after. The money should have nothing to do with it. It's the same hole communists fall into.

Civic nationalism

civic nationalism is a meme, the elites expect people to truly fight for and be united by the government they pay taxes to
what a ridiculous slave mentality idea, a crude mockery of real unity and identity, they expect people to find common ground on the peice of paper the government enforces
people will naturally divide each other by their appearance and religion the only people this doesn't work on is self hating hippie slaves who are more terrified of offending somebody

Civic nationalism is basically just state communism but for liberals.

It's almost comical, really.

slams German ID on the table

This is what we fight for!

I m a cowfarmer. that being said it is like a skyscraper just in venyl.

Well the money has a lot to do with it since the money eventually gives you the ability to subvert the nation to your will. I If have functionally unlimited resources, well now I dictate who is elected, I dictate the availability of cash, I dictate the governments foreign policy, I dictate the immigration policy, I control the media, the culture the news etc etc etc. This is how Jews have gotten to where they are, they vehemently strives to take over banks as early and as thoroughly as possible because they understand it well. There's a meme that they're cheap and love money but that's not the case, they love power and they know that controlling the source of money gives them more power than having a standing army.

The fundamental flaw is, do you kill a rich person who is creating a net positive on the world? Do you cull a class of people using their wealth to uphold your own ideology and maintain your nation/peoples high standard of living? Do you cull a class of people opposing the jew? And then where does that get you in the end, what does your perfect society look like and is it even physically possible or will it just be subverted because you didn't grab power when you had the chance etc.

I guess there's no one around like this anyways now so it's moot but maybe one day, and when that day comes how do we proceed?

How are you gonna discriminate between the good rich people and the bad ones?

Well you could make laws that make doing evil shit with your money illegal and then just arrest the ones doing evil shit.

Civic nationalism means jackshit because the need for borders becomes redundant if everyone can join your ''country'' so you might as well get rid of borders. Just like the Soviet Union.

That's the problem with commerce as a concept. But the commerce itself is not necessarily to blame for that. Remember, jews created communsim to begin with. Jews thrive with moral qualms over property, that's how they undermine a nation's values. The only thing communism did get right though is that capitalism is obviously not optimal.

make doing evil illegal

That's impossible to do without taking all basic freedoms. Since any act could be a stepping stone, you might as well end up in a liberal hellscape like the one we're living in now.

Thinking about it they actually ruined civic nationalism themselves! Rendered their own tool useless and made it backfire.
Decades ago people may have bought it, say 50 years ago, because society and culture was still homogenous; doesn't matter that guy is actually French he has a German ID and everybody lived happy ever after. People could have forgotten about nation or race based nationalism.
But they decided to make a mockery of their holy ID by handing it out to millions of incompatible and hostile aliens. the ID stinks now. It did not stink before. They made it stink by their own behavior, invalidating their own cope ideology.
And now we are left with only one recourse, thanks to their handiwork:

race based nationalism

lamo

It is a left wing policy
however, if it will get you on board with it we can call it right wing too

You guys always go overboard with this until one farmer kills the other because he had one more cow.

That's exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. lol

So if I get rich, you want to kill me too?

At the point you got rich, yes.
And again, it's not because they have more than me, I don't want more, it's just they nobody should have that much.

But there is no problem with people getting rich in a meritocratic manner.

Not to seize on the one point of difference, but I don't actually beehive anyone has or can achieve 1% wealth through merit. That's more than anyone could produce, did a million people each give a billionaire a hundred thousand dollars as a gift? I think not.

No this idea that the wealthy embody merit is a hoax, peddled since classical times. The bankers says "theoretically someone could be worth that much", then without claiming they are personally worth they much, tries to shift the burden of proof. "Oy how do you know I'm a banker, maybe I cured cancer"

Aquinan merit is a poor faith defence of the rich by sycophants, as is the national lotto, most awards, pretence of people like Connor McGregor being rich. Work your way up fuel. It's all just lies, cut off their heads

If I was being frank I would say the jew is the root of all evil and money production is his greatest weapon. I don't think capitalism is ideal either because it prioritizes unsustainable business models and ends up putting too much power in the hands of psychopaths. I really don't know what an ideal system looks like but I know it starts with extreme education about the real truths of this world so every single person who's capable of understanding how the world works knows it as soon as they can, irrespective of the cost to society at large.

If we don't put the future of the actual people at the front as the #1 priority we'll end up with nothing or worse than nothing

It's a policy that will get you even worse jews with even more power.

nobody should have that much

If nobody should have that much and you don't care then why feel the need to kill me? Simple, because you do care. If it's not out of jealousy or envy then you're completely insane and should be wiped from the face of this world forever. You're a threat to humanity.

Total communist death.

I dont really give a shit i m a tittyhound.

If we're both on board then that's all that matters.
It's what happened when the soviet elites got wealthy enough that the decided the Bolsheviks original position was uncomfortable.deng did the exact same thing with Mao, the modern communist party of China is shit scared of Mao returning. The ccp are now the elites, Mao would kill them all for being landlords.

I really don't know what an ideal system looks like

Nobody does, there are no real solutions to this yet. Only trade offs. Ideally it would have to be some sort of contract based system where labor is guaranteed under a type of exchange for said labor. But that's just theoretical and it probably wouldn't work either.

It's a retarded policy either way. Jeff bezos is worth 300 billion dollars. Let's say you kill him and re distribute his wealth to all 350 million Americans.

Congrats. You just made $850 dollarydoos. What can you do with that? Not a fucking thing. This is why leftists are idiots and fascists create economic golden ages like in Spain (so long as they don't get antsy and start killing neighbors). You need to work with and control the billionaires, not kill them.

Mao was insane himself. Just psychopaths killing other psychopaths. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

Fascism is the ideal system. You have a free market and every tool in the economic tool box available to you, but you also control the capitalist class to the point where everything they do is for the benefit of the nation. No economy crippled by lack of investments like in communism and no capitalists selling our your own nation for profit like what we have in the US.

I don't actually beehive anyone has or can achieve 1% wealth through merit

Neither do I. I wouldn't even call it a belief. It's factually impossible. The limit is somewhere in the hundreds of millions maybe, and that only if you did an amazing job many times. Beyond that it almost certainly becomes simply a matter of exploitation.

rused an extra 5 billion out of dumbass goyim

despoiled another 1000km2 and took ressources for pennies

While this line is very difficult to define there is a point where wealth gained is based in exploitation instead of success or merit.

both

thinks fascism is an economic system

It's not. Fascism is basically just peer pressure, that's all it is. Putting the group before the individual. It comes from the word ''fascio'' meaning bundle of sticks. It was coined by Mussolini who was an ex-communist. It's just communism, essentially. People of today think fascism means ''a white dictatorship'' but that's entirely false.

Is class warfare left or right?

Left wing of course.

The rich are both oppressors of the people and traitors to the state.

Davaj davaj tovarish, the kulak doesn't oppress himsefl!

And I bet you consider yourself rightwing.

If you care about the soul of the people and culture more than material progress, bloodshed isn't the way. You need people who know how to love and elevate the human spirit. Good culture comes from creators, not destroyers. Find a woman to fuck and create a baby or something.

But the rich have stolen the national resources, undermined the military and aided the enemy. Notably China.

So have the poor.

Decidedly left.

And then fuck your daughter when she's ready.

I suppose then that my point was that there can be no perfect economic system, but fascism can make an economic system as perfect as I'd say it can be.

You mean national socialism? It could work if it's not planned. Planned economies can't compensate for setbacks. Whereas unplanned economies can. So you need to find a way to somehow get the best of both worlds. Eh, such a world would never exist anyway.

Not quite; not anymore anyway, and likely getting worse in the future. Remember that AliBaba CEO, the most successful Chiinese businessman even, suddenly disappeared to some labor camp?
After liberalization there was long a problem of corruption; by no means universal, but party connections were crucial to get anywhere.
The CCP itself, as an organization, obviously was highly critical of such things, and most wouldn't dare become secret capitalists and possibly face execution, but some would, and since this extended into the higher strata they could not quite control it, to the point that even today 60% of successful Chinese businessmen have party connections.
But these days, as a CCP member, you do any capitalist abuses and you're a goner. Quite possibly literally. They gave a few a bullet, even high ranking ones.
And China does have some problems; some of which stem from these corruption abuses, that threaten their entire country and system, so it is likely they'll only clamp down even harder, as they usually do. Xi has long operated on an anti-corruption platform and I suspect he did have some successes; that's what the international reporting says anyway.
And no, I'm not a gook agent, but the Chinese are the closest thing to National Socialists around in the current day.

Not quite that bad, but he was willing to make extreme sacrifices to reach his goals, and also was quite naive (which definitely is common in commies).

Find a woman to fuck and create a baby or something.

Not an option in the West. In fact, our birthrate decline and lack of social structure is what's rotting us out. It's natural for people left right and center to choose burning it down over building it up, because as of now, there's nothing to build.

You can set out to build the greatest society humanity has ever had, but it doesn't matter if there are no children to inherit it. Collapse would probably have to happen first.

Same difference, and no. Command economies are a mess. You want a free economy, you just also want a gun to the head of capitalists so they don't fuck around.

Actually a good point. The most by-the-book answer.

Hanging the banker scammers has been a historical tradition
that was historical and it was before D&C made up left and right wings.

For the first time

Then why the fuck was literally every single history module i studied either Nazi politics, ww2, or the holocaust after year 8? I don't remember a single GCSE history lesson that wasn't propaganda.
t. 1991

not quite that bad

Not bad? He killed millions of people with his nonsense, he's peak bad. lol

Competent rich -> Left wing.

Netherlands flag

HAHAHA
Your country is owned by the kings, the house of Orange.
Any king in any euro country wants idiot leftists in charge of their government, because this said gov is in actuality is run by the kings from behind.
They never want an actual moderate right or any competent right wing (that actually isn't corrupt or knows what they are doing).
Sheep aren't supposed to govern themselves.

So, they always opt out for incompetent idiots or sold-outs corrupt on the left.

Not every capitalist is an evil monopoly man. But the fact the monopoly man exists is the problem.

probably the state you live in. Where I lived, we learned about the american revolution three times, but just learned about slavery once

UK

yeah I got no idea what you learn about there, something about the fifth of november

You have it ass backwards. Rich people are just good at making money. It's not a bad thing. It doesn't hurt anyone inherently. The problem is that they have the power to influence people, politics. They can bring in immigrants to make more money. Hand your people's places in colleges over to foreigners. Import people to keep markets afloat. That's the problem.

Strip them of that power, but keep them doing what they're good at. Making money and creating jobs.

Both. The willingness to use force is probably the only thing they have in common, and it separates both the far left and far right from the great mass of non-radical centrists who will never do anything at all.

Both parties are controlled by banks, and both parties keep you from noticing you're enslaved by banks.

For anyone who doesn't know, here's a basic example of how the modern slave system works:
Even if you never rented in your life, you paid for kikes to build their rent-slave apartment complexes. Here's how:

Kike wants a huge income stream without ever working

Kike goes to banker-kike for loan

Banker-kike has no money on deposit

Banker-kike creates new money thanks to fractional reserve lending, aka modern era coin clipping

Kike builds apartments

Kike collects rent

Banker-kike collects interest

You, the goy, ignorantly pay for both through inflation, convinced that it's only government spending that causes inflation

You've been a slave your whole life, and most of the ever increasing prices of everything you buy, is really just a tax jews impose on goyim. Your purchasing power steadily decreases, which means the ladder to being semi-free aka owning your own home gets pulled up higher each year, forcing more people into rent-slavery.

policy of a left that the us doesn't know and usually coupes out of neighbour and far countries for near-fre bananas

strip them of influence

By doing that you intervene in the free market, and thus you get a mixed economy again. That's a socialist measure. The funny thing about critics of capitalism is that they always pretend monopolies only form in capitalism. But that's entirely false. When the socialist police bans gun ownership and keep guns for themselves they're establishing a monopoly on violence. Monopolies form in broken systems. A good system doesn't have any monopolies of any kind.

It wasn't on purose ;-;
He emulated the Soviet system a little too closely, to the point he also emulated the mistakes they made.

magical agriculture

science is capitalist bullshit lmao

set quotas, promote people based on surpassing quotas, but never check whether what they said is actually true

export all "excess" grain

And boom 15 million people starve to death.
It was mainly the lower functionaries inflating harvest numbers more and more, which made the amount of surplus grain appear far larger than it was. And when the government took that "surplus grain" there wasn't enough left for the peasants, especially once a famine struck at the same time (regular occurence).
So instead of full granaries to deal with famine as planned they wasn't any fucking grain because they made it up.
Once this information actually reached the top and the situation was fully understood Mao had the central stores of grain sent back into the provinces.
Not like these are the only mistakes they made. Commies really can't into agriculture.

The Left kills them out of principle, the Right only if they don’t bend the knee.

it wasn't on purpose

Mao executed dozens of people for no reason whatsoever. Pol Pot killed anyone who had glasses because they ''might'' have given him trouble. Stalin executed all doctors in Moscow because he thought they wanted to kill him. These people are absolutely insane. There's no justification for what they did and if you think there is it's you who needs a bullet between the eyes.

By doing that you intervene in the free market, and thus you get a mixed economy again.

Not at all. Telling the rich that they can't pay protestors or create propaganda isn't a command economy, and these things don't even make capitalists money the same way markets do. It's just a way for them to control the markets no different from an actual command economy

The funny thing about critics of capitalism is that they always pretend monopolies only form in capitalism.

I'm not critiqueing capitalism, I'm critiqueing oligarchy. Obviously communism is it's own monopoly.

The problem is that unrestricted capitalism and communism both create market monopolys and oligarchies.

Massacre the rich

Yknow y'all were about that and then the stock market had a little hiccup and you all shat your pants. Y'all should be more excited than we are.

It's a bitch trying to sharpen an axe without a vise. Walmart sells an alright cheapo hand axe (Harbor Freight sells one for cheaper and with wood handle instead of plastic) but it comes with the most dull blade.

Telling the rich they can't pay protestors or create propaganda isn't a command economy

But it is. Any restriction on how someone conducts his business is. Say he just puts the propaganda in his products, is he not allowed to decide how his products are supposed to look? And say he pays protestors through charity organizations, is he not allowed to spend his money the way he sees fit? By saying no you're restricting the system. It may not be a command economy but it is a restriction.

The problem is that unrestricted capitalism and communism both create market monopolys and oligarchies.

Yes. Because they're both inefficient systems. One sort of works and the other doesn't work at all.

Command economy

an economy in which production, investment, prices, and incomes are determined centrally by a government

Does telling capitalists that they cannot pay protestors make an economy a command economy?

What if you stop them from paying off politicians who use the gov to hire their companies?

What if you shut down a newspaper run by them?

This isn't command economy, it's common sense.

Pol Pot killed anyone who had glasses

That guy was legit incredible,
but in the case of Mao it was mainly a disregard for human life. He wasn't as bad as Stalin or, but it's worth saying that Stalin also was quite stupid. Mao wasn't the brightest bulb in the shed, but maybe not outright moronic, and Pol Pot, well, I think we can assume his IQ wasn't exceptional, because then he would probably have had glasses himself.
But I'm not sure Hitler was a genius either, but maybe above average. Maybe it's just statistics, but none of these guys were terribly smart.

Does telling capitalists that they cannot pay protestors make an economy a command economy?

Sort of. Since those restrictions are government mandated regulations of wealth. Restrictions which do affect the market.

What if you stop them from paying off politicians who use the gov to hire their companies?

Well bribery is hard to stop, since it's usually unregulated so nobody knows it happens.

What if you shut down a newspaper run by them?

That's information regulation, which is also restriction.

That's common sense

I actually agree with you. I think nothing is free, neither speech nor loyalty. But like I said, it's hard to get a system that does that for you without constantly having to intervene.

none of these guys were smart

True. You don't have to be smart to be a good leader. You do have to be smart to be a good inventor or military strategist. But all a leader needs is charisma.

You're probably right. The only thing I think might be evidence Hitler was a cut above the other two was that he worked as an intelligence officer before entering politics. I believe who heartedly that he became a meth addict though. His decision making was absolutely fucked in the end. God knows why he would attack the USSR when he was well on the way to making Germany the strongest and most prosperous country on earth.

Everyone is hated here, no one is special, least of all you.

it's hard to get a system that does that for you without constantly having to intervene.

That's the dilemma. There is no system that does it, but you could do the best you can by creating a state with safteys like that built into it's constitution. It's not perfect because constitutions can be and often are ignored or abused by bad actors. It's the best you can do either way.

Depending on the end goal.
But more likely than not, it is left wing.
Because the end goal would be to take their property (money, assets, factories, what ever) and redistribute it.
Communism.

I had this idea whereby instead of exchanging money you exchange contracts that are backed by the state. So if you do favors behind someone's back there's no guarantee of payout. Like, with money you can exchange real money behind everybody's back. But with a contract system you can't because there's just word of mouth. You get maffia practices. Now, I'm not saying that would work but I do imagine a perfect system being something like that.

But all a leader needs is charisma.

Well, look at this club we have here

Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler

Hitler certainly was charismatic, but he was an anomaly. Even Napoleon didn't have charisma as his greatest strength, but he did possess some; probably won't change as we expand the list:
Authoritanian rulers need a certain level of ruthlessness and.. what I can only best describe as folly or daring - for good or ill, often playing a role in their downfall.
The cult of personality can (and often does) come later, depending on the situation. Virtually all of these dudes had some recent civil war experience or rose during civil war.

That gives bad actors a lot of opportunity to abuse the state. It might be better to just force the contracts into a public registry.

Well Hitler didn't rise to power on his own. He was essentially a chud during his time. It wasn't until some right-wing aristocrats saw something in him that they decided to fund his rants at the local bar. Behind every successful figure there's a group of people that helped him get there. That's why we're never getting anywhere here on Anon Babble. lol

Yeah well, it would only work for labor. People would just barter property behind your back. The problem with a labor economy like that is that property gets overlooked. Which would eventually become like a secondary economy alongside it. Eh, I never said I worked it out. It's just a concept.

None of these guys could be said to have had massive support tho, in fact often it was quite minimal, a handful of guys throwing their lot in with him and it grows from there. Hitler definitely wasn't someone's agent, and neither were the others, although in Mao's case it's a bit different, largely because he lived to old age and became a mere figurehead.
I guess this may also be their special quality. All of these dudes firmly held the reins, didn't delegate much and didn't take any orders, again for good or ill (= usually with bad outcomes).

larper policy. so both

Mao was only immortalized as some sort of god because the communist party that supported him owe their power to him and are still in charge of China today. Hitler was essentially a plant, in a different time where there still was an actual right-wing aristocracy in Germany. But those days are long gone.

Neither, it's an ascended viewpoint. Be on the Z axis not the X axis