Norse vs Grecco-Roman mythology debate thread

Why in the Eurocentric white nationalist movements is there such a large emphasis on the Nordic mythologies over the Greek/Roman?

I'm a 100% Germanic racial type, and I've read into both mythologies, and I have to admit the Greek/Roman is so much better than the Nordic, in terms of storytelling and aesthetics, so why do we prefer the Nordic when in all honesty it is inferior to the Greek/Roman?

Nordic is more appropriate because we're going to have to live like barbarian outcasts.
Hellenism certainly does have a lot more to it though. Norse pagans pretty much just worship Thor, Odin, and Freyja.

When you realize the Vatican is named after Odin get back to me.

When you realize all those faggy deities were real and actually existed but died in the flood get back to me.

Same thing if you arent a fruitcake pagan.

I'm going to have to side with the Greeks/Romans.

treating it like a fantasy book

You're fucking retarded. Let's just start by making that clear.
That said, these are blood/ethnic reliant religions. There is no feud between them, for there is no need whatsoever for it. For the greek is not german, and the german is not greek. And you're simply a mutt, and should lurk moar

Because Southern Europe has been irrelevant for centuries. Germans, Anglo-Saxons, and Nordics all worshiped Germanic gods.

deities

died in the flood

retard

doesnt know that 90% of the demons that people worship are just nephilim misdirecting them against their conscience through the veil.

Theres only one diety, recognition of facets is a separate notion to their worship. Theres only one cosmic dispositon that defines reality, either you share in it, or youre a delusional soulless coon.

Let me guess this one cosmic disposition is Allah / Elohim.

They did not wear helmets with horns or other nonsense attachments.

picture of russian fake-Odin

nah

Yes they did slave. Winged Helmets are part and parcel of the symbology of Hermes / Irmin / Odin.

Since he is the psychopomp god.

The gods are analogous between the pantheons for the most part. In some cases aspects of one or another from this or that, present in the other.
The only reason that the germanic/nordic pagan revival has more of a presence than the greek, is that christianity has been battered and beaten, subverted and utterly corrupted in the germanic/nordic sphere, so people look elsewhere, and the US being more germanic than it is greek, well that answers it for the burgers too.
But pagans, remember that you waste yourselves fighting your brother in blood over a dead corpse, when you harp on about christianity this and christianity that. Blood always comes back in time, so focus instead on the foreign discount-kike mud filth and kike filth - as that will resonate with your brothers in blood, even if they linger under Christ (who, you might view as an aspect of Týr or Odin - or who a christian might view those to be aspects of Christ)

You're a nigger so you should read abut Jakub.

I am generally of the opinion that they are brother religions, two branches from the same trunk whose stories diverged and were changed by the people that told them and the audiences that heard them, but ultimately describe true events.

HOWEVER, in terms of pure theurgy - interaction with the Gods through rituals, oracles, divine intervention, and the like - Hellenic religion was HIGHLY advanced compared even to Norse, or even something very well developed like Orthodox Judaism. The big difference here was that Hellenic religion was intent based and Hebrew religions are legalistic.

An example: with Hellenic ritual, it is more important that the things you sacrifice have meaning to you than they mirror the exact "prescribed" sacrifice. A poor man sacrificing his best garden fruits and going hungry is more loved by the Gods than a rich man sacrificing 100 bulls and not noticing the loss.

The opposite is true in legalistic religion. A rabbi knows that he cannot leave his house on the Sabbath, so he ties a string around the city and consecrates it with the same prayers as he would with a house; suddenly the city is his "house" and he may move around freely within the confines of the string.

THIS is the important thing to consider in comparing religions and considering if the religion that is dominant in your culture fits the spirit of your people.

Pic slightly related.

Good morning saar

Germanic religion simply isnt catalogued like its Hellenic and Vedic counterparts.

nonsense attachments.

The devices attached to a helmet were not done purely for aesthetics. The practical application was, in a big group of people wearing similar armor and covering their faces, you could recognize who was who by their ornament. When Hector took the armor of Achilles from Patroclus, he specifically did not wear the helmet, so that he would not be confused with Achilles by his own men, who all would have recognized the large red crest and two white plumes.

Christianity is constantly being used as a justification for race communism. The racialist Christians almost all have to cope with some repugnant insulting bullshit about how we were the real Jews. You fundamentally can't attack multiracial globalism without attacking Christianity, cause they're one and the same. I agree that blood is blood, but Christianity is actively causing that blood to be lost.

Christianity, like Islam, Communism and Liberalism; is a universalistic ideology aimed towards world domination and theocracy.

If you are aiming towards a pandemic dominion, you cant get lost in the ethnos.

Nordicism is a giant LARP in the shadow of a forgotten (exterminated) history lol
All the source texts are late as fuck literary sources and no one wants to deal with the obvious anthropological themes captured in the stories so it's perfect for a launch into fairy tale circlejerking

At least with Greek and Roman stuff there are entire libraries of their own historians, comparative religious scholars, and anthropologists talking directly about the actual practices and attitudes.

Greeks and Romans willingly accepted and converted to Christianity, and Greeks specifically were the first converts, such that the New Testament was written in primarily Greek. I suspect the Apostle Matthew was likely a Greekman himself. Fascinatingly, the Greco-Roman mythos may have snuck its way into the Bible. Apollos were in Corinthians.

I only trust my heart.

Greek and Roman stuff there are entire libraries of their own historians, comparative religious scholars

And yet it was prohibited to put the oral tradition and all the esoterica of the hiereus to ink. Rome had strict laws on this, and if memory serves Greece did as well.

In both norse and greco-roman religion most important god was the household god exclusive only to the family worshipping it.
The fact that most pagan groups try to create europe wide communal religion betrays their attempts at revival.

demons

nephilim

Your entire worldview really is confined by jewish mythology huh?

I am generally of the opinion that they are brother religions

Thats historic fact, not your opinion you fucking retard

I can’t imagine believing I’m really a pagan and the gods are real and thinking I have a choice about which pantheon I prefer as if it were some buffet of belief. If the gods are real, you don’t get a choice you morons. Odin would necessarily be a principal authority for Germanic people in some way. Period. End of story. The fact that you even talk like this proves you don’t really believe this shit and treat religion like a damn comic book.

People incorporated foreign gods all the time. The gods aren't human, they don't have race loyalty the way you're thinking.

Greeks and Romans willingly accepted and converted to Christianity

They got genocided by mixing with slaves and getting pogromed by Christians from their Jewish kahals.

Hypatia is what happens to the Hellenic ruling caste when they dont bow to the Jew.

Jewish D&C thread by jew worshipers who worship jews.

Call it whatever its been called in your own language, nordic and celtic tree of life is no different than kabbalah. Dont ve a faggot or a woman and its pretty clear that all reconcilable cognizance is a singularity function of infinity.

Greeks and Romans willingly accepted and converted to Christianity

Roman critics of early Christianity, whose writings have been exterminated except where preserved in apologetic retorts, pointed out that christians were atheistic destroyers of civilization who engaged in incestuous orgies and necromancy. Christianity spread by tempting officials and aristocrats to their side and using any force and violence they could to overturn non-christian schools, teachers, and religious institutions including those connected to the maintenance of the law. This of course included the targeted killing of traditional school Greek and Roman teachers and the mass destruction of texts, entire libraries.
Hypatia's murder by a mob of christians working toward a political end is a perfect encapsulation of that degenerate cult.

That's why all the poets and commenters stuck to their coded metaphors and other such language tricks, but certain people were said to have gone too far and been put to death for it. The laws became way less strict by the time of Galen however. His medical texts go into the cult secrets quite a bit since the crossovers between things like arrow poisons and religious drugs are numerous due to their common origins in natural science.

Jewish liturgy was stolen from us, slave.

No it isnt.
First of all the Jews stole the Kabbalah from the Babylonians.

Second the Kaballah is nothing more than Babylonian astrology mixed with what the Christians call demonology.

Comparing this to Yggdrasil is bogus.

look, they both use trees, that means they're the same

I guess Nazism is literally Buddhism

what a fucking retard. Thanks for derailing the thread

lmfao ok

You lack wisdom. Why is the New Testament written in Greek and not Hebrew?

Why in the Eurocentric white nationalist movements is there such a large emphasis on the Nordic mythologies over the Greek/Roman?

because we are mostly Anglo-Saxons, Dutch, Germans, Irish and Scots. Our traditions derive from the Germanic tribes and the Celtic tribes. that is our heritage and our way, unavoidable even if we choose to be christian. We have named the very days after our Gods; Tuesday, Day of Teihwaz. Wednesday, Day of Woden. Thursday, Day of Thunraz. it would be larping to pretend we are latins or achaens. their cultures are great ones, and we owe them much, but that does not mean we need to become like them and abandon our own native gods. that is not how paganism works anon, it is a national religion.

and I have to admit the Greek/Roman is so much better than the Nordic, in terms of storytelling and aesthetics

they are very much the same to each other because they have common roots. but what the greeks and romans have in terms of sheer material and poetic composition, they lack in terms of a strong core morality, which germanic culture provides, and which even tacitus admitted was a strength of the germans

For where so many laws have failed to maintain virtue in Rome, German morality has prevailed at making Germania a chaste land

as an example of what I mean; when the Aesir (and their Aryan devotees) first came from the East and conquered the Vanir and their Neolithic cults, they incorporated the Vanic gods into the Aeseric pantheon, but they forbid the previously acceptable customs of incest, homosexuality and polygamy (Heimskringla, Ynglingatal). there is nothing quite like this in greek mythology, where sexual deviancy is explitly spoken against. only vague ideas in tradition, like that Venus curses the unchaste and the homosexual with STD's (hence the term Venereal disease) but these were only ever folk beliefs, and never fully a part of the grec-roman religions, which sometimes even glorify homosexual, pederast or incestuous relationships

I want rebuild the Zeus temple in Olympia how many bitcoin you think I need?
I already know where to ask for build the statue some years ago a Prada foundation or something like that rebuild the Constantine statue that was a copy of the Zeus one with Constantine head.

Ancient Greek was the lingua franca of the epoch.

Jews spoke Aramaic day to day, Greek to their Seleucid and Ptolemaic overlords, and Hebrew maybe in the Synagogue.

Shaul Tarshisha, lived in Tarsus, one of the centers of Mithraism and used Greek to diffuse his message to the goyim.

By the way Peter was against this.
Peter believed Christians should do as Jesus told and search for the lost sheep of Israel. Only proselityze to Jews and keep circumcision.

Shaul was the universalistic agitator.

No, everything "Jewish" is from Greek religion. That's the tree of Zoe. Same tree that's in the garden. Garden of the Hesperides. Golden apples, the mushroom tradition which is the reason Zeus is a rain god whose golden bolt gives life to the godbody that rises from between the roots of the oak. All of the original "Jewish" texts are in Greek because they come from Hellenized Palestine. DAIMONES are Greek. That's where demonology comes from, like in Mark 16:17-18 where casting out daimones is a sign of a follower of Jesus. Notice also the raising up of snakes and the drinking of venom. That's the sort of practice that causes Plutarch to label the "Judeans" as Bacchic.

Not just the NT itself, but even Paul's letter TO THE HEBREWS is written in Greek rather than Hebrew. Palestine was fully Hellenized and Hebrew was a dead language. That's why they have SYNAGOGUES. Their places of learning were literally Hellenistic culture depots that had the zodiac and Aion on the walls.

That sounds like Roman rhetoric, Roman sources are questionable in reputability, or do you believe that Romans saw actual dragons in North Africa? Beyond this, Romans engaged in orgies themselves, and had to fight constantly against corruption and degeneracy, which eventually subsumed the Western Empire. Regarding the targeted killings of teachers, didn't Rome kill Archimedes when they were Pagan? Such things were common in the iron age, particularly the early iron age, if you've read Hesiod's Ages of Man, you would understand this was the character of men of these times, and nothing specific to Christians.

they lack in terms of a strong core morality, which germanic culture provides, and which even tacitus admitted was a strength of the germans

You mean slave morality. Which you dont find in a single Germanic source.

Read the Volsungasaga and come back to me about slave morality.

Why is the New Testament written in Greek and not Hebrew?

Because jews wanted to convert Greeks to jew worship.

I'm a 100% Germanic racial type, and I've read into both mythologies, and I have to admit the Greek/Roman is so much better than the Nordic

I'm a Med Bvll and I prefer nord mythology
There is a lot of doomer emotional manipulation shit on greek mythology. Nord myths are more fun

I never denied this. Christianity is a syncretism of Osirism, Orphism, Mithraism and the cult of Isis (Marian cult).

jewish sorcerers definitely exist!

jews wrote books that said so!

Gods are unknown and unknowable. Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef was just a man.

Convert to Dual Seedline Christian Identity. The Germanic peoples are the real Israelites.

you dont understand what the romans meant by 'morality'. you are infected with modern ideas of morality like that of nietzches. to the romans, morality was purity and the upholding of virtue and honor. tacitus praised the germanic tribes for shunning whores. whoredom is slave morality, anon. a society of whores is easily controlled. homosexuality is even worse, where even men becomes whores. this was disdained and treated with death in germania, and this was the reason for their racial strength in those times. they did not tolerate weakness, whoredom or sodomy in their nations

cool

whoredom is slave morality

Eh, Jeebus was surrounded by underage prostitutes.

I would say alongside the ancient Hellenes, that Hetairism is a necessary evil.

Is there any group building a people around a Roman/Greek foundation in the USA?
Asatru Folk Assembly is very comfy to me and I think in a few centuries it will prove itself.

Convert to Judaism

Nah, I'm good bro

jewish myth is so stupid

Uh...Richard Spencer, I guess lol

Hetairism

made up hypothetical bullshit created by jewish feminists in the 19th century. if whoredom ever had a place in human society, it would have become the norm and not been exterminated by evolution. every society that has tried whoredom was destroyed, ruthlessly, as you are currently seeing happen to the west. stop attending college, you wont learn anything of value there

the post that shuts down thread

Thorsday- Let there Be light
FreyasDay- Let there Be a Firmament
Saturnsday(Lokisday) Let the waters gather, let the dry lands bring forth vegetation
SunDay - Let there be lights in the Firmament, Let there be two great orbs, one to rule day, one to rule night
MoonDay - Let the Waters bring forth life abundant
Tyr'sDay - Let the Land bring forth life abundant, Let us make Man and Woman, Let them have dominion over the earth; subdue it
Odinsday - The Lord rested and sanctified the day
Norse Mythology is a continuation of the Judean religious practices, where Roman Paganism is the worship of Nimrod, Semiramis, and her son who she claimed was the reincarnation of her dead husband Nimrod. Her son was Lucifer, and he was the first person to chop his penis off.

You're a fucking obtuse idiot. Rather than reach a conclusion first, then find evidence to support it, like leftists and communists do, test a hypothesis, gather evidence, then reach a conclusion. You're making Romans and Greeks sound like naive imbeciles, who were easily tricked, in spite of your beliefs, your lack of respect and understanding of these peoples is apparent.

Roman/Greek foundation in the USA?

not that im aware of, I dont think theres enough greek and italian people in america to warrant that. there are more italians, but they are generally more staunchly catholic. greeks are usually a bit more friendly to their pagan past, since it is a point of pride for them (and it makes big tourism bucks, whereas italians probably get most of their tourism thanks to catholicism). hopefully something emerges in the future, and I hope that the AFA would cooperate with them, but it is probably a ways off.

Richard Spencer

I was not aware he was building actual communities.

I would guess that there have been more white societies with brothels than without

The Nordic gods moved south to conquer the Med, became the Hellenic gods, and then had a much better life in the sun, so all the best stories are from after they moved.

thats not quite the same as a society of whoredom, where everyone is a whore. there have and always will be designated town bicycles for everyone to get a practice ride in and dump their toxic waste coom in. the problem is when whores start reproducing, when children are the sons and daughters of whores and those children become whores too. it becomes a disease that rots away a society

made up hypothetical bullshit

What are you talking about?
Ancient writers had no shyness about these sorts of topics so we have ample documentation of these things.

You're advocating to give up on source analysis in favor of your neonazi fictions pulled straight out of your ass. You're an illiterate, uneducated piece of shit whose opinions are to be immediately dismissed.

I guess he's building an online community. Not sure if the Apollonian shit really counts, it's basically a new pseudo-religion based entirely around Apollo. Similar to Odinism perhaps.
There isn't really a racialist Hellenistic presence outside of the Mediterranean.

I see, ironic with Peter, but the Apostles didn't quite get Christ themselves. As is said in Matthew, something about feeding a dog scraps. I'm well aware Greek was the lingua franca, and yet as you say, Jews used Hebrew for religion still, why then is it written in Greek? Jackasses trying to turn everything into a Jewish conspiracy. If Christianity were a Jewish conspiracy, then why were Jews expelled from so many Christian lands? What's next, will you all insist Islam is a Jewish conspiracy?

okay, well you said whoredom has never had a place in society when clearly it has, if we're talking about literal whores lol

Believe what is true, not what you wish was true.

neonazi fanfictions

most romans were monogamous and heterosexual. the mother of Alexander the Great made him stop playing with boys in fear he would turn gay

Christians are actually pagans without knowing it.

Exchange ”God” with Jupiter (sky father), the holy ghost with Mercury (messenger of the gods) and the holy son with God of man (Hercules, Thor etc) and you have the main framework of the Indo-European mythology.

This also explains why Odin was held so high in Germanic belief system, as he was Mercury and you could commune with the gods through him, the story of Hermod (Herm = to imitate, Od = old form of Odin) even suggests you communed with the dead through Odin.

In essence Christianity is a polytheistic belief system dressed in monotheistic clothes. It wouldn’t surprise me if all their rituals more or less are directly taken from old Roman ceremonies.

will you all insist Islam is a Jewish conspiracy?

Most definetly.

Christians are Messianic Jews. How could they expell themselves?

but the Apostles didn't quite get Christ themselves.

No wonder. All apostles except Peter were minors.

youtube.com/shorts/GvA9-V2mj0g?si=DDZK7nNFTE6Vz-4F

Hermod (Herm = to imitate, Od = old form of Odin) even suggests you communed with the dead through Odin.

Odin and Hermes share the psychopompic trait.

Hence the winged helms and the connection with travellers, wanderers, and prophets.

The Irminsul is the Hermean Caduceus. The Tree of Life. The Winged Tree.

much better than the Nordic, in terms of storytelling and aesthetics

ask me how i know you have late stage pornography addiction and are "a gay".
classic stories are fuk all garbage. the one about the spider and the owl isn't terrible, but the rest are quintessential absurd (sisyphus)
it's 0/10 shit way to think about the unseen.

How is Sisyphus absurd? It represents the pointless toil of repititve action.

It quite literally summarizes physical existence on earth.

Ok. Be obtuse then, you'll twist the facts you use to suit whatever argument you need in favor of your supposition that the faiths of the world at this point, that 90% of cultures subscribe to, are actually Jewish conspiracies.

Hebrew maybe in the Synagogue

Why would they speak a dead language in a GREEK LEARNING CENTER. Synagogue is a Greek word and shows the direct presence of Hellenistic influence in Palestine not just as trade and networking but as a physical, political presence.

the holy son

You don't have to exchange "son of god" with anything. The texts are written in Greek. "Son of god" was already a term in Greek with a long history and specific meaning. As soon as you see it, you know exactly who Mary must have been and why christians call her a parthenos.

This also explains why Odin was held so high in Germanic belief system, as he was Mercury and you could commune with the gods through him, the story of Hermod (Herm = to imitate, Od = old form of Odin) even suggests you communed with the dead through Odin.

It's the same thing as Zeus, because Odin is the figurehead of the mushroom cult that is common to all Indo-European cultures. Stormy daddy is always the guy because you look for mushrooms after rains. The trees? It's always the best symbiotic partner for the mushroom in the region. That's why Odin does all the shamanic stuff like going to the underworld to get some runes or transforming into a bird to collect magic mead.

First off all. 90% in your dreams Semite.
China and India are almost 50%.
And they dont subscribe to your circumcised donkey flavoured doctrines.

Second, 90% of bipedal monkeys are helots, slaves, thralls and theods.

They are beasts of burden. If your argument is based on majority consensus, your argument is null and void.

Jew.

After Antiochos IV Epiphanes, Judaism was outlawed.
And the Hebrew language with it.

So this is only natural. Hebrew was not spoken in the open.
Always in secret.

synagogue being Greek has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it being Greek, the Greeks also call the Roman senate with a Greek word, doesn't mean it had anything to do with them specifically

Right, I'm sure eating cow shit, and shitting in streets is more aligned with God and nature. Why don't you try immigrating to Canada? If you prefer their company. It seems I offended you, I've found being called a Jew on this site means you won.

winged helmet =/= picrel

Your rabbis eat the foreskin out of newly-circumcised jewish cubs.

I dont love pajeets but at least they didnt fall to the Abrahamic mind virus.

Cant you realize Horned symbology is literally Antennae symbology?

Horns depict roots spreading to the highest planes.

Here is Apollo Karneios. Karn - Remember that root word for Horn.

Greeks specifically were the first converts

Armenians, actually.

we wuz da real jooz!

crossnigger retard's final form

KERNunnos, the Celtic God.
In a lotus pose holding a torque (magnetic symbol) and a snake (symbol for control of cthonic natures).

such that the New Testament was written in primarily Greek

The NT was written in Greek because Christianity is a development of Hellenistic Judaism.

Online communities are irrelevant if they do not get out into the real world and form real communities with real families and traditions as AFA has done.

Germanic shaman performing a ritual dance besides a Lycanthrope.

The horns are avian shaped. Most likely related to Hugin and Munin.

Hittite god Tarhunta, cognate with the Germanic Thor.
Related to Hurrian god Teshub.

He exhibits two horns.

Thor, like Apollo, is associated to Rams and with the age of Aries.

Online communities are irrelevant if they do not get out into the real world and form real communities with real families and traditions as AFA has done.

You can influence people online, and if you have 100 luck the world will be placed at your feet.

most circumcised post of the day award

Nordics have basically just one written book on them "Poetic Edda" and some very few sagas about individual gods.
Norse didn't leave much behind themselves and it what they did, it's all written by christians, who were already well versed in greek mythology and so borrowed a lot.
Greeks and Romans in the meanwhile recorded everything of their mythology. Thousands of books, millions of relics and statues. Millennium worth of tradition and history.
Comparing two is idiotic. It's like comparing Jet aircraft to a fucking cart.

The gods mostly line up, it's all the same system at root. The different pantheons just have different interpretations of the deities and accord different levels of respect to them according to their culture. E.G., Scandinavian cultures more obsessed with war gave more reverence to Odin, a cunning wanderer/warrior, than more civilized Romans who preferred a more domestic protector god like Mars or Zeus - even where Mars is also a war god.

Debating between the two is just pointless D&C.

Armenians were the first state to convert.
Greek speakers of the Roman Empire were one of the first converts.

Both are part of the same indo european mythology. End of discussion.

I don't think Anon Babble is in the mood for syncretism in the modern day, my dude. Whites want to split off.

it doesn't mean much, Greek was lingua franca of countless non-Greek ethne, the first converts were jews, then various strains of orientals in the big urban centers especially
in the Peloponnese they were so eager to convert there still were pagans well into the byzantine period staunchly opposing it

The Germanics and Romans gave primacy to Mars and Tyr.

Hence the German Althing (the assembly was always done in a grove sacred to Tyr).

Tyr is associated with the Spear and with Law. Since he sacrificed his right hand with Fenrir.

The right hand signifies Right / Recht.

This is found among the Latins. Since Mars was their father and he was the god of the Curia.

Might be for the best honestly. Modern people aren't going to put up with a religion that demands too much of their time. A religion or spiritual practice that fits neatly into one corner of your life is preferred.

I'll tell you the truth :
-comic book culture and it's ravage on people's brain.
-the greco-roman religion is actually quite good documented, preventing any retard who and who to do everything it wants. which is detrimental when you want to larp as a shitty tv-show/comic character.
-people in general have a shitty idea of viking history and culture

but all their stories are like that.
life is far less fickle.

Judaism didn't exist before the 3rd century in the first place. Hebrew had already been subsumed under the Greek because Hebrew never got past the stage of being a hill people language. There are no traces of Hebrew literature in ancient libraries, it indeed was only carried by a minority who worked in direct opposition to the Hellenized state of Palestine. Dumbing the masses down with Hebrew and a fake history from the Septuagint made them easier to subject to tyranny.

Also very interesting name of the high priest working with Antiochos IV Epiphanes. Jason, or Jesus, almost as if Jesus is not actually a Hebrew name but instead a Greek word deriving from the same root as Jason.

synagogue being Greek has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it being Greek, the Greeks

The point is that the Judeans call it a synagogue because it's a house of learning that was planted in their territory as a Hellenistic project of civilization building. It's not "Jewish" at all. Synagogues were adorned with the zodiac and Aion.

Hebrew has 8000 rootwords. Its more of pigdin than a language.

But Arabic has 7000 rootwords and its one of the most common languages in existence.

I hate Semites by the way.

They are all real if you believe anon, so just go with speaks to you.

I didn't claim otherwise, hence the "lol" in the original comment

Jason, or Jesus, almost as if Jesus is not actually a Hebrew name but instead a Greek word deriving from the same root as Jason.

ok you are not to be taken seriously

You cant get into the esoterics. Sysiphus, the Danaides, Tantalus, etc.

These are all examples of life solely devoted to cthonic and titanic realities.

Greek has less than 400 unique words from canaanite. It's just a dialect of the canaanite language.

Bro they both start with J's. Not feeling si smart now are you? Now mutilate your penis!

Greek was lingua franca of countless non-Greek ethne

Yes. Yet still, the greeks were one of the first gentile converts. Entire journey of St. Pauls is basically his interaction with greeks and converting people in Corinth.

Peloponnese they were so eager to convert there still were pagans well into the byzantine period staunchly opposing it

By the Eastern Roman times, majority were already christian. The last pagans in Peloponnese were in Mystras, which was extremely isolated place that managed to preserve their faith. Very fitting since pagan means rural.

and thinking I have a choice about which pantheon I prefer as if it were some buffet of belief.

It's a valid complaint but it applies to just about everyone in the modern day, including every brand of Christian. Even people who push "White Shariah" (facetiously for the most part I think) push it on buffet-style rhetoric; they don't say they can prove Muhammad talked to an angel or that Allah exists, they can't, they just say that picking Islam for your religion slot comes with X, Y and Z benefits. Christians argue for their religion on Anon Babble the exact same way, as do most pagans (sincere or insincere).

In first world civilizations with freedom of religion, religion will naturally take this role, because it's made up and without force of law to make everyone pretend to believe it's real, people will simply notice that they can pick whatever and nothing bad happens to them. Religion is properly a lifestyle choice, it is not a matter of verifiable claims or objective truth, and every fervent proselytizer acknowledges this because all of them start with

Here's the benefits of picking me

and not

Here's why I'm right.

Modern day religionists will all make their choice of religion in buffet style with the idea of filling the "religion" slot the same way they fill their "car" slot at the dealership. The days of really believing are past.

Greek has less than 400 unique words from canaanite.

What?
You mean Hebrew.

You are so dumb. They werent Hellenic. They were slaves and helots from the East Med. That the Greeks and Romans imported.

I have a feeling all of these mythologies are a form of ancestor worship. Notice how they all involve these weird family dramas and tragedies. I'm pretty sure all of these gods were just men at some point. Odin, Zeus, whatever. If you come from that line you might partake in it as a form of ancestor worship. I think spiritually there are egregores which represent aspects of psychology in the form of gods. It's not 'real' but it's believed, and people act on belief, so in a way the belief in the gods allows the egregore to act on the world through people. A sort of meta-entity made up of the collective hive-mind of the believers. And then you have a fair few higher dimensional entities lurking about, but you usually don't see them without a bunch of drugs.

we are talking about wholesale ethnic conversion not Saul scamming few urban serfs in Corinth; point is, actual Greeks as you might have found in the Peloponnese were hardly interested, urban mongrels were hardly ethnic Greek by Roman times let alone by the time of forced conversions under Theodosian, it's like saying some people in Los Angeles worshiping santa muerte means "Americans converted to the santa muerte religion"

Shit I had a branfart, yes I meant hebrew.

Because the Anglophone world is, unsurprisingly, largely Germanic. The Romans already thought they were the same Gods even without linguistics and archeology to pack it up like we have today, so it doesn't matter much. But, for what it's worth, I also tend to think of the Gods in Greek/Roman terms despite being a Germanic barbarian.

After the battle of Leucra, barely 1300 Spartiates remained.

Imagine 400 years after when Jeebus was born.

Polybius too speaks of the land being depopulated due to low birth rates, it's no wonder aside from nearly extinct Tsakonian everyone speaks a variation of koine all the way to Italian Greek communities

Read Apples of Apollo by Dr Carl Ruck et al lol

People dont realize that when the Romans got to Greece it was sparsely populated already.

The constant wars for 300 years since the Persian invasion, to the Pelopponesian war, to the campaigns of Alexander. To the fucking infighting by the Diadochi.

Greece had its jugular open for 400 years almost.

Germans also practiced animism which may be where all the furries come from. I was interested in the berserker mythology and apparently it translates to bear-shirt, and in practice men would hunt bears and then wear the bearskins and they lived on the fringes of society, sort of warrior outcasts who went raiding for a living since they were second sons or shunned for crimes. So you would have this breeding group of germanics living a jungle-book lifestyle, worshipping the animal spirits and pretending to be bears or wolves around the campfire.

read a basic introductory book to Greek and ponder on this

καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν· αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ(i.e, Matthew 1)

You wrote this on Tyr's Day.

Rome itself was founded by animists with a wolf fixation. Romulus and Remus.

All cultures had totemic warriors.

The Romans and their Lupercali.
The Greeks had Hercules. Plus the Lycanthropism practiced in occult mysteries in Arcadia.

Aztec Eagle warriors, Mayan Jaguar warriors.

Its typical of Hunter-Gatherers and peoples whose culture goes back to the Paleolithic.

Sparta was also founded by a Wolf Prophet. Lycurgus.

The Divine twins, Castor and Pollux, both Spartan, both associated with horses.

Hengist and Horsa, divine twins associated with horses.

The Volsungs literally being named after a Stallions phallus.

Romulus and Remus, associated with the She-wolf, with the peckerwood and the ficus.

What's the earliest text you can cite that has the name Tyr in it?

Why do internet atheists think it's funny to say jeebus?

Jeebus, Pedohammed and Moshe the Troshe.

Holy trifecta.

Damn bro, guess I should go cut my penis and give money to Israel and convert niggers and invite them into the US+ Europe because theyre our brothers in christ!

youtu.be/v_MZvX0wn5g?

I have noticed the similarity between Hermod and Hermes as well, further on Irmin, which is a kenning for Odin, sounds very similar to both Hermod and Hermes, but I don’t know if they etymologically share root.
Well ”the holy trinity” to the Germanics according to Tacitus was Jupiter, Mercury and Mars which to the Germanics were Thor, Odin and Tyr, now Tyr is etymologically related to Zeus (Deus Pater) so in essence the original Germanic trinity was Jupiter (sky father), Mercury (Odin) and in lack of better description ”son of God” eg Thor.

Basically Tyr by the time of Tacitus, Tyr (Deus Pater) had been denoted to a war god, hence the interpretation of him being Mars, and not Jupiter. Thor meanwhile was related to Jupiter because he struck thunder like Jupiter, but was actually more like Hercules ”son of God” and Mercury was Odin.

So the Christian trinity the father, the son and the holy spirit is quite literally translatable to Jupiter, Hercules and Mercury.

It’s unfortunate that Christians burnt all Roman religious manuscripts, it would have been more obvious that Christianity in fact is pagan had they not.

Because it's mythical and poorly understood.
The Greeks and Romans wrote everythng down so we have records of all their gods.
The Norse and the Celts didn't write shit down. Or if they did, it was on media which disintegrated millennia ago.This means you can make up any old shit you like about them. Which is why they are popular.
For what it's worth, all of the European gods are based on the pre-history Proto-Indo-European pantheons. Zeus is Jupiter is Odin.

Irmin - Hermod - Hermes

Its all the Hermetic tradition of the giver of runes. Secrets and occult knowledge.

Hermes Trimegistus

I forgot about Apollo, I incorrectly translated Thor to Hercules, he is Apollo obviously.

Zeus is Jupiter is Odin.

Zeus is Jupiter.
Odin is not involved.

Odin is the Night Sky God.

The Germanic equivalent is Tiwaz - Tyr.

Because it's probably closer to what most of Europe followed, everything but Rome and below was bearded men with braids and horned helmets worshipping some sky, war and fertility Gods.
Dumb nigger, every single God and ancient wiseman is a canonised saint, dog headed giants and Buddha included.

How can Zeus be Odin if Zeus is also Thor

Apollo has both relations to Thor, Heimdall, Baldur and Bragi.

But most of all to Odin.

Germanic has to rely more on external sources and archaeology/linguistics/etc... but it's much more attested than Celtic paganism by far

Woe-din
Poopiter (Stupider)
Jerkules
Argument refuted

Because most of the Hellenic/Roman religion was destroyed and written over by Christianity. Germanic Paganism and other northern variants of Paganism survived for centuries even after Christianity became dominant.
The rites, lore, and traditions of them lived on.

jerkules

Thats pretty funny

everything but Rome and below was bearded men with braids and horned helmets worshipping some sky, war and fertility Gods.

Rome was also this.

You clearly havent read Titus Livy. Every consul had to have long hair.

Numa Pompillius is the perfect synthesis of a true Roman priestly type.

And he was more akin to what you consider a barbarian looking man than to Augustus.

just worship Thor, Odin, and Freyja

Those are basically the only ones that the Norse worshipped too.
Freyr was popular in Sweden, too.
But generally it was only 3-4 Gods that mattered, and of them Thor was by far the most popular by many fold.

All Father, whom art in Haven...it's the same reason priests wear raven's mantles

You've got it backwards, paganism is actually (a foreshadowing of) Christianity

Odin is the Night Sky God.

Jupiter literally means Sky Father.
Jupiter = Jove Pater = Sky Father

and of them Thor was by far the most popular by many fold.

I thought it alternated between Thor and Odin

Nah, the Vatican is named after Deus Ager Vaticanus.

A god named Vati. The god of prophecies (Vaticinii).

Vati is of course a cognate with Wotan.

The Vatican is literally the hill where the Latins worshipped their version of Wotan.

the night part was important

We have an outsized representation of Odin in surviving materials, perhaps because the people that recorded poetry favored Odin as he was a god associated with poetry and the arts, and because the types of poems that involved a lot of cosmological information that people like Snorri found interesting involved Odin more than Thor.
But, when it comes to representations of place names, given names referencing Gods, ritual artifacts, worn religious symbols, etc., Thor by number is massively overrepresented by far.

He didnt read it.

Odin is not the god of the diurnal solar sky like Tiwaz or Zeus.

He is the god of the Night Sky, Walpurgisnacht.
The Herjan of the Wild Hunt that prowls the Night Sky.

Not akin to Zeus or Tiwaz.

Even Adam von Bremen references the primacy of Thor among the Karls.

Odin however, was the god of the Jarls and Reykjans (kings).

Hence his worship was confined to the highest ranks of society.

Thor was the god of landowners and freemen (Karlings) who served the Jarlings.

its said that Thor ruled over thralls, farmers and freemen, basically the common folk of nordic society. he was offered salmon and herring, oats and ale as offerings and all of these are the peasants food, the commoners dinner.

Odin was god of warriors, nobles and kings, wizards and seers. He plays a larger role in the mythology but was worshiped less by the common folk, who had little reason to most of the time. Odin grants strength in battle, frenzied trances, and wisdom in runelore and written works. These are matters for kings and the warrior elite of viking society at the time. Thor protects the commoner from the malefic forces of nature such as hail and ice, and gives the crops rain and growth. He protects Mankind against all evil, Against Troll, Demon, Witch and Ogress, Against Frost and Hail and Death, and this was of more worth to the common man, who feared the wrath of nature

nordic religion was undisturbed for a thousand years longer, and we are their direct descendants. not so much with the greeks, they're more like extinct cousins. you have a point though
no way fag. even if your fake and gay headcanon was true i would be ashamed. why the fuck would you want to be a jew?

The Greeks were openly and proudly influenced by non-European sources.
Multiple Gods/Goddesses were imported from Egypt, Babylon, and other places, for example. And the Greeks were fine with that.
The later Romans did the same, and then went as far as assuming that their Gods and everyone else's Gods were actually universal deities that just were known under different names. Even if that bridged ethnic divisions like Egyptian vs Italian that precluded such a thing as we know today.

Comparatively, the Norse were much more 'pure'.
While what we have documented undoubtedly has some Christian censorship done or adjustment made here or there for content, it is mostly clear that what we have preserved is accurate to what the Norse actually believed.
And the Norse for most of their history were essentially isolated from non-Indo-European influence.
And they apparently didn't have strong novel religious evolution like the introduction of Stoic Cosmology or Platonic Cosmology into Greco-Roman religion that totally changed the interpretation of the meyths as time went on.
Look into Plotinus's Enneads for an example of how far that could go.
The Norse seem to have, if uniquely twisted, a less adulturated form of the Indo-European religion than the Greco-Romans. At least relatively speaking. Knowing the true origin is impossible.

salmon and herring, oats and ale

Peasants ate better than me wtf.

motherfucker you are a peasant

Then how come I can only get to eat goyslop?

Greek/Roman mythology has a semitic god(adonis). The greek alphabet is based on the phoenician alphabet. Paganism is semitic and a desert religion not of our people.

yes, salmon and herring were once so common in europes rivers that it was considered peasant food. this was before jews took over the pricing of everything. lobster was also once considered commoners food

You are completely correct in your Greco-Roman assertions.

But lets not forget that the Germanics suffered bastardization from the Finns and other Mongoloid peoples from Scandinavia and the Baltic.

I mean, the whole Vanir and Aesir conflict could be understood as a mythologization of the integration of Finno-Ugric animism and pantheism into Germanic Indo-Europeanism.

you're a modern peasant
everything is worse now

Semites used to be pagans like everyone else

These jewish fellas are jerks.

Oh boy?

You're correct.
The Saami and Finns absolutely did influence Norse myth and the Norse seemed to highly value the spirituality of the Saami in particular, and may have integrated that into their religious practice.

greek paganism has slight semitic influences therefore all european paganism is semitic in origin

judaism however is based and aryanpilled

retard logic

All European pagans worship the same Gods, just under different names. Worship whichever one you are ethnically. No need to infight over something like this.

fucking retarded fentanyl sniffing mutt monkey

I think that one guy is fucking a canoe...

Paganism is semitic

Absolutely retarded.

UM SOURCE? SOURCE? NO IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN

Its not like they valued it.

Its like the Romans taking the cult of Cybele and Isis after conquering Carthage, Anatolia and Egypt.

You conquer them so now you need to introduce the fertily cult goddess inside the city.

We roll over 2000 years and now we have the cult of Mary which is nothing more than Isis, Cybele, Tanit and Astarte rolled into a Jewish apparel.

The Norse have way fewer deities than the Greeks

that we know of. the main pantheon in Greek, Germanic, Celtic, Roman, and Slavic all have analogous gods to each other. Some cultures forgot some of the minor gods, but the more important ones are all the same.

'wignat'

MS-paint

the lack of self-awareness is amazing, kill yourself chinkoid

A poor man sacrificing his best garden fruits and going hungry is more loved by the Gods than a rich man sacrificing 100 bulls and not noticing the loss.

That sounds like you made it up. What archeological/primary source documents support this?

tell me you are brown like dog feces without telling me you are brown like dog feces

Damn I guess I should cut my sons penis and import niggers

2 days before Oct 7

Athena got her revenge.

Most of the most important and impressive architecture built by greeks and romans were built by pagans, not christians. Northern Europeans didn't build very impressive architecture for a long time, Pagan or Christian, mostly because it's pretty hard to build impressive buildings with just wood.

My ancestors come from London. Hey, did it ever occur to any of you that spirituality is not an aesthetic experience you mull over like a feature film based on a graphic novel?

Primary source document is the tale of Philemon and Baucis, a story that was plagiarized in the Torah to become the story of Soddom and Gamorrah. Interesting they changed the sin from greed to sex.

my condolescences, they must've been some proper subhumans to be dumped in australia, you carry their tradition well

My ancestors come from London.

So did Jack the Ripper.

And the was a Jew that loved prostitutes. Just like Jeebus.

So you're cool with millions of Indians and blacks flooding Australia as long as they're brothers in Christ?

Most of the most important and impressive architecture built by greeks and romans were built by pagans, not christians

Fun fact: until nearly a thousand years after the birth of Christ, every church in europe that wasn't made of mud brick or timber was a looted temple of the Olympian Gods.

Herr derr, the pagans had pretty stones so I must believe in their religion!

It's like the level of thinking of a small child.

The irony

it's pretty hard to build impressive buildings with just wood.

nah, adam of bremen describes the wooden temple at uppsala as being quite elaborate. the problem with wood isnt that you cant make impressive buildings, its that they dont last very long. picrel is the oldest shinto temple in japan, over 2000 years old. its a miracle its survived, and thats likely only because japan is relatively isolated. no major wars or cultural revolutions, as has been the case in europe many times over the millenia. war and fire are not kind to wooden buildings.

Charlemagne took down dolmens to buid Benidictine monasteries.

Sankyou gozaimasusta.

this gotta be that famed aussie humor, mixed with with excrement-like skin fumes

Herr derr, the christians had pretty stones so I must believe in their religion!

are you actually low functioning? your initial argument was that christians built better buildings than pagans, and then when I tell you that wasn't true, you pretended the argument was stupid.

It was literally in response to your own post wherin YOU claim Semitic superiority due to pretty stones. They literally disproved your argument and you changed it to refute your own earlier argument, almost like...

a fucking KIKE.

spirituality is not an aesthetic experience

uses meme emphasizing how gothic architecture is more le epic than nordic mudhuts

you unironically have a very unchristian, idolatrous and pagan view of christianity. you should just admit that youre pagan at heart and get over it.

I think he might be trolling. He made a retarded argument and then refuted himself 2 posts later. That or he's actually mentally disabled.

Wait, lemme get this straight: you are into worshipping the Roman god Jupiter? Why don't you go use that big brain of yours and build a shrine to Batman in your bedroom?

you should just admit that youre pagan at heart and get over it.

Christianity is pagan, they just changed some names around to stay nominally-semetic.

It's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that, if Jesus Christ did exist and was divine, he was almost certainly an avatar of Dionysus.

Herr derr, the pagans had pretty stones so I must believe in their religion!

thats literally the argument you are making tho. le christians had pretty rock building, must convert to christianity! you dont actually argue for why we should be christian, you just appeal to christian aesthetics, which itself is just a mashup of roman architecture, celtic cultic details and germanic moods. if we smashed all the stained glass windows in every church and replaced them with ones of Odin and Thor would you convert then?

Dionysus

Herakles

Julius Caesar

Alexander the Great

Jesus Christ

Odin

Hitler

same guy, different day. looks like you and I are on the same page

All the pretty stones christians erect come from pagan culture

YOU worship the Roman God Jupiter too. Every time Jesus talks about his father, every time you view a religious image, you are not honoring some semitic storm god name Yahweh adonai elohim whatever, you are honoring DEUS, a word that literally means Zeus.

Australians have a high tendency to be both

christianity is mainly practiced by vile strains of afro-asiatic monkeys, niger-congo apes and mystery meat from the favela, the second option isn't too unlikely

Rome was the same but without the horned helmets and bearded, braided men.

Gautrek's Saga has an interesting version of this.
A man named Starkathr was secretly raised by Odin and basically molded to become a great warrior (probably for a seat in Valhalla). And Starkath did become a truly great warrior for it.
But, Starkath's grandfather (the father of his father) was a dangerous Jotun and his mother had turned down Thor's advances for a 'brainy Jotun', probably Starkath's father.
This made Thor hate Starkath on principle, so he and Odin get into a fight over who curse him or bless him more.
What we see is that Thor's blessings line up exactly with what you'd expect from a God of the lower nobility, average freemen, and amateur warrior, where Odin's blessings are what you'd expect of an aristocrat.
Thor curses Starkath to never have children, never have land, to break the law, to be hated by the common people, to get hurt in battle. While Odin makes him rich, a great poet, a great warrior, and loved by the nobility.
We can really see that class disparity in what they're able to curse or bless a man with. Odin's blessings are those that the 'great' would want, while Thor's curses are things that the average middle class or low noble would fear. While an King might love a battle scar, a freeman can only think of how much that is going to hold him back from tending the fields, type stuff.

It is a great example of the distinction in how different parts of the socio-economic pyramid relate to religion differently.

Don't forget boomers.

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It's very simple, if you worsjip the idols you are a gentile.

without the horned helmets and bearded, braided men.

Start actually looking at Roman made stuff.

Told you retards to read Titus Livy already.

They're still a common catch in Scandinavia, almost all salmon consumed in Europe comes from there.

I don't see that much.
The Greeks had an endemic concept of the Titans and Giants and difference successions of Gods, with certain cults within later Greece even believing that it was time for a new overturning of at least some of the pantheon (the Orphics).
The Jotun as a conventional anti-deity enemy that their Gods battle fits in well within the Norse concept of society and what is good and aspirational. Especially because the Jotun hardly feel like an external 'race' or 'group' that has to be defeated or subjugated, and a lot like a generalized repository of literary figures. They intermarry with the Gods (typically in a submissive manner but nonetheless), they ally with the Gods in some stories, they oppose them in others, they are sometimes extremely weird and sometimes basically indistinguishable from the Gods, etc.
I think they're just a pretty common trait within Indo-European myth. To my knowledge the Hindus also have the same type of vague enemy 'race-but-not-a-race' that the Gods do battle with.
I think that is probably something the earliest Indo-Europeans believed in too.

I am sure Typhon was a Hellenic invention. And not a Greek reflection of the Caananite Yahweh and Egyptian Set.

Primary source document is the tale of

No, that is mythology. You asserted real life people making sacrifices were more loved by gods if they sacrificed out of scarcity vs abundance. What proof do you have that ancient societies actually believed that?

a story that was plagiarized in the Torah

No, that is completely false. The Dead Sea Scrolls came long before that story was written. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Janus is Nimrod, hense the two heads. Nimrod's wife was a barmaid one day and a Goddess (The planet Venus) the next day. Her name was Semiramis, but she went by many names. Cybele, Sibil, Astarte, Ishtar, ISIS, etc, which is why people believed she was the planet venus (the eastern star/the morning star).
Her claim was she could reincarnate her dead husband with her womb. This child was Lucifer, but history knows him as Attis better.
The pope bears the keys of Janus and Cybele. Cybele was to her people a hermaphrodite who chopped off her man bits, a tree grew from it, and she fucked the fruit. Her son, who is also claimed to be the reincarnation of her dead husband, also chopped off his man bits. He is who inspired all trannys and his followers were the eunuchs.

Janus is Nimrod

Americans have so much Puritan derangement in their blood.

I have read everything in this website.

I think they're just a pretty common trait within Indo-European myth

Because all Indo-European myths emerge from migrations into new territories and the influence of indigenous peoples. There is no such thing as a pure strain maintained since the first. The "Greeks" aren't native to Greece. The Latins aren't native to Italy. The Germanics aren't native to northern Europe. The expansion into the Nordic areas is the final stage of thousands of years of migrations and not only kept encounters with indigenous people in living memory, they didn't even totally wipe out/assimilate those natives.

Interesting, I feel I have read about this a long time ago but forgot about it. it does reveal alot about how different castes of their society viewed the Gods. do you think things have changed? it seems like Odin now holds more sway over the common folk; runes and letters rule the world now, in the form of data and code and documents. The farmers life is easier, less dangerous and less at the mercy of the winds and ice, but it is also less prominent and they are being replaced by foreigners much quicker than the other castes of white society.

Its fair to attribute that to shared experiences of conquering different regions that had somewhat organized religions and integrating that into your mythology, but I think its just as fair to assume that "The Gods go to war and sometimes peacefully interact with other divine beings (but ones we don't worship)" is just the ancestral condition for Indo-European religion.

they a bunch of people not any gods

dams have destroyed most of the good salmon rivers

it's a bit more nuanced due to the differential both in population density of the areas they expanded into as well as cultural complexity of the pre-IE inhabitants, the Greeks already were mixed with unknown pre-IE groups in the Balkans by the time they entered a region, Aegean Greece, which already had a high-ish level of civilization
on the other hand pre-Germanic IE groups in Scandinavia pretty much wholly replaced people like the pitted-ware culture bearers who were mostly hunter gatherers, albeit the truly mysterious boom in frequency of mystery I1 could hint at a non trivial cultural impact of some unknown hunter gatherer group

so go back to lareddit.
Janus is actually closer to Lucifer as Janus was the name given to his 'resurrected' form. Either way, He proclaimed himself Saturn and ended up getting his head chopped off. But a God can't die? Which is why the royal cunt barmaid claimed she could revive the time traveler's spirit in her unborn son. He wasn't a time traveler and even though he had convinced his people to offer their first borns to the giant bull statue, he wasn't a god. He claimed to be Saturn because it was assumed that Saturn was responsible for the creation of the City of Atlantis. It still wasn't Saturn though, it was Cain. Saturn can only come back to earth as a serpent because he convinced Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

You're throwing your own logic back at me like it's some kind of debunk, ya dingus. I'm agreeing with you that most people today don't really believe and it robs their religious practice of sincerity, yes. I'm just saying it's not exclusive in any sense to pagans; it also applies to just about every Christian I've ever debated with here, who when pressed always just talk about how it has "based" doctrines and is anti-semitic, and who never talk about proof of its truth. That's because they've agreed to "believe" in religion in a buffet way where they pretend to be convinced instead of being actually convinced against their will.

It applies to Muslims who are more Westernized as well. Sincere and total religious belief that the stories of a religion are actual events that actually happened is constrained to blacks, browns and morons. Voodoo in Haiti is sincere, going to your local church because someone on Anon Babble said there's virgins there is not.

So it's a fake "problem" to have in the context of anyone who posts on this board. None of us are sincere except the very dumbest lead-brained boomers who filtered in from Facebook, which makes all religion and religion fighting on Anon Babble a matter of lifestyle choices, not belief.

Typical american mindset where everything has to be vs something. Brainfucked society

Norse myth has a lot of subversive shit in it that was probably written by Jews and Christians. Runes don't go back any further than the first century AD and everything we know of Norse myth comes from a Christian merchant.
All legitimate Aryan religions worship solar and celestial gods like Pater Deus and Apollo. Norse myth revolves around worshiping a wizard named Odin who the Romans saw as a version of the Semitic deity Mercury. "Hellenism" is just the mediterranean offshoot of the proto-Indo-European religion.

As an actual white man I don't waste any of my time thinking about massive copium to make up for my lack of personality, or to alleviate my insecurity.

I'm 100% euro stock bros im not jose muttino can you tell me what the whitest religion to follow is? i watched gladiator and it seems cool. im totally not an npc

Runes don't go back any further than the first century AD

Bullshit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebaruna

All legitimate Aryan religions worship solar and celestial gods like Pater Deus and Apollo. Norse myth revolves around worshiping a wizard named Odin who the Romans saw as a version of the Semitic deity Mercury.

Are you dumb nigger? You are dumb nigger.

Her name was Semiramis

Not a goddess, although she pretty much should be the one that every human submits to

Norse mythology has roots that are older than 5000 years.

Semitic deity Mercury

your brain on retardism

There is no conflict between them. The only conflict is between paganism and abrahamism.

Yeah, I would think in a revived Norse religion that there'd be a substantial swapping of roles.
People don't live in fear of natural disasters and the like as much, so Thor as the adventurer God that battles evil spirits and violent Jotun doesn't have the same massive appeal as it did back then. People are just more confident that they'll be alive tomorrow than they were 1000 years ago. He wouldn't feel as necessary as he once did.
Whereas, Odin as the god of learning and knowledge and prophecy would be much more popular because people's greatest anxieties are over the far future. While aspects like Odin being a fairly untrustworthy deity that seeks to reap souls in battle would fall to the wayside due to how peaceful today's world is comparatively. The parts that people feared are less threatening today.
I think there's a thing with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs here, where modern society has moved a full step up it, and away from Thor's domain and closer to Odin's domain.

But for people that are extremely comfortable, the idea of Thor as the god of adventure and strength has a great appeal as they themselves seek out stimulation and a sense of purpose and demonstration that they're strong and not just layabouts.
The same step up the pyramid.

fuck off Ucuck. I'm a million times whiter than you are actually. I'm not insecure, unlike your projections.
Isn't your country going to be completely Islamified? If anybody should be questioned whether or not if they are white, it should most defiantly be anyone bearing a UK flag, you fucking nigger.

he's not worshipping mercury

ngmi

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

Abraham Maslow

I hate Americans.

Greek/Roman is better aesthetically

They're both interpretations of the same thing. One is just glamourized and the other is bare bones. We have the nornir and the greks had the moirai. It's all connected.

There's nothing more American than hating Americans.
Check veins, you might bleed red white and blue like the rest of us.

Odin, Wodanaz, Woden, Wotan, Perun, Jupiter, Zeus. All different names for effectively the same being.

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME

TIWAZ IS THE GERMANIC EQUIVALENT TO ZEUS.

NOT ODIN.

The real Isrealities did shit like this ancient Germans didn't. They might have done other barbaric stuff but cutting tip snipping wasn't one of them. This is sand nigger tier.

All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised. Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male.

Genesis 34:24

At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)

exodus 4:24

And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins

Joshua 5:3

Damn, original germans cut their dick?

It's Odin and Zeus bro, it's the same god of shamanic mushroom frenzy

Ave Mercurius
Tis true that Knowledge, Money, Power and the Future are the main concerns of the common man and the elite in todays age, so it seems like Odin has control over society on a greater scale than Thor. Thor seems to have taken on a role more like a dharmapala in Buddhism, or a Guardian Angel in catholicism, a Protector of the Way or Guardian of the Religion. People see a book with a Thor's Hammer on it, they know its a book about Germanic Paganism or Norse mythology. People see you wearing a Thor's Hammer, and they know what that is and will know you are a Asatruar (or maybe just a biker). the same cant be said for the various symbols connected with Odin, like the horned dancers, or the spear, or the Gar rune, a ravens skull or wolf necklace or whatever other etsy shit. those things dont make the same impact or impression as a Mjolnir. So it seems, to me at least, that Thor has evolved from slaying giants and monsters to protect the farmer and into something like a Warden for the Asatru community, our most immediately recognizable Icon. His enemies now are larpers and leftist fag pagans, who he keeps out with his most sacred symbol, the swastika, which itself is just Mjolnir in motion

Its not. I have already told you niggers.

He’s the all father and king of the gods.

Ymir is Zeus more like. But Ymir was killed by Odin. So the story diverts a bit there.

Ok to get a bit nerdy here Odin is closer to Hermes Mecury even Wednesday that is named after wodan is associated with Mercury. Zeus is similar to Thor in that they are thunder gods and associated with Jupiter. The one thing Odin and Zeus have in common are they are chief gods of the pantheon.

So?
Ollathir / Dagda also carries the name Alfather in Celtic tradition.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dagda

And he isnt the head of the pantheon.
The Dagda

linguistically and etymologically yes, but in terms of roles no. in celtic myth there was a god named Nodens or Nuada, who was the original king of the Tuatha De Danaan, the equivalent of the Aesir. But Nuada lost his arm while fighting sea-demons, and was demoted as king because the Gods only allowed a physically perfect, uncrippled and unmarked one to lead their own. they replaced Nuada with Lugh, who is very much like Odin, and even the romans equated both gods to their own mercury. its unclear exactly why or how the celts and germans worshiped a seemingly new god, who had replaced the older god that equated to Jupiter or Zeus. cultic revolutions have happened in the past in other parts of the world, but this is a particularly curious one, since Nuada/Tyr is not overthrown in a violent conflict, as was the case for Saturn and Jupiter, rather he is peacefully elected out of office and replaced with a newer and younger god. what this could possibly represent, on a social and anthropological level, I really cannot say

Only one thinking in comic book terms are you, imbecile

Yes it is, Odin and Zeus even both do the shapeshifting disguises wandering stuff.

No, the real commonality between them is that they are the gods of the mushroom cultists who enter frenzied states to do things like divination.

Weird I started seeing Ymir as similar to Saturn . Zeus slaying Kronos. Maybe I'm off on this comparison but it seemed to have some similarity in my mind.

Substantially Christian lore and 'characters' were grafted onto the intellectual structure of Greco-Roman Middle Platonism, which was the most popular 'religion' of the intellectuals of the Roman Empire.
The issue for Middle Platonism was that it was too cerebral. It didn't have any mythos or any stories, it just was a semi-logically derived structure of interpreting the cosmos and spirituality that existed beside actual religions (like traditional Greco-Roman paganism). It had already significantly reduced the pantheon down to a single monotheistic deity made up of distinct personas that acted in substantively different ways but also mutually distinct aspects of the same great being. By the end of Greco-Roman paganism, very few people outside of the backwaters truly believed in the Gods in a traditional way.

Platonism changed the Jewish splinter cult behind Jesus of Nazareth into what we know as Christianity, while Christianity gave Platonism its much needed sense of being an actual religion and not a long series of philosophical propositions that could only exist adjacently to real spirtuality.

Slavic-Norse-Greek are the same fucking shit because all of them from the same origin.

Well there is a similarity there. Kronos was a titan. Titans are essentially the equivalent to the Jotun.

Cut Slavic out. No relation to the potato-heads.

only a few specific groups have the time or inclination to spam """paganism""" so frequently. one of these groups (pajeets) is much more numerous and less skilled than the others

So we should worship og arabian gods so your moor rape baby ass can feel home?

Slavs are the renegade branch of the IE spectrum.
We dont want association with potato heads.

Ymir is Saturn

you are correct. the timelines and lineages are a little more jumbled (Ymir is in the place Uranus should be, Germanic myth lacks a 'middle-man' revolutionary God like the Titanomachy does) but he is functionally the same.

there are more indian christians in the world than based christians

10 years ago vice did a piece on the return of Hellenic Paganism they also brought up overlap with nationalist groups. A few after this video I remember vice doing an article on the dangers of right wing paganism.

vice.com/en/article/racists-are-threatening-to-take-over-paganism/
The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus:

youtu.be/SBpNu4_TP9w

nooooo you cant talk about European gods you must be a pajeet

the actual reason is because there are more northern europeans online and they are more likely to not be christian

The og Arabian gods were the same syncretized polytheistic idols as everywhere else before the scourge of monotheism

The Truth About Eastern Spirituality

old.bitchute.com/video/gkKItYtDxmyx/

jeets have been shilling this idea for a while now because jeets unironically hate european paganism, for a number of reasons
1. it proves their hinduism is just a shitty mutation of our religion
2. it proves white people national unity; jeets do not want this, they want whites divided and taken over
3. they dislike it for being 'inauthentic' since its not a preserved tradition like theirs. watch christian shills defend hinduism just for being 'authentic', and you have spotted a hindu jeet larping as a christian and trying to promote hatred of pagans

picrel

thats your brain on meth btw.

You wrote this in Latin alphabet, in the month of April

jeets unironically hate european paganism

see to go further down the iceberg

The Germanic and especially 'celtic' religions are inauthentic though.
The celts in particular were all conquered by Romans then christianised. All we know about their beliefs, aside from the evidence of archaeology, is the few writings of Roman and Greek observers who were hardly unbiased. Tacitus' Agricola was primarily written to suck up to his father-in-law, not accurately describe Britannia (a province I don't believe Tacitus had ever even personally visited).
Germanic religions we know more of since they persisted in Scandinavia into medieval times. But even then everything we know was written by Christian monks who had reason to be hostile. The handful of writers like Ibn Fadn who merely observed rituals they didn't really understand, again give only a glimpse of a belief system that would have changed a lot as it stretched back into the Iron Age.

Its really odd. This isnt even a "christian bad" thread but they can't help themselves. But youre right and I shouldnt expect better from pajeets

I forgot to finish:
celticism and germanism were inventions mainly of the 19th century. Some of it is based on what little we know of the original faith of our distant ancestors, but a great deal of it was just made the fuck up.
Look at all the 'celtic' pagans who congregate at Stonehenge. Stonehenge is far older than the Iron Age. There's no indication in the evidence collected there that it had any significance in the Iron Age at all. It was a late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age religious centre. And judging from the evidence their beliefs were substantially different from the later gods.

Vatican actually means “prophetic” in ironically heretical light.

Germanic society shined more during Christian era. Where as the Greeks, Romans, and even Celts prospered more during their Pagan era. Though Germanic spirit and wisdom could be throughly Pagan. It would be like a Christian was claiming that America was only relevent thanks to their belief for its prosperity, hence in “God we Trust”, but America was a nation founded on Deism with a Deistic sense of spirit. Hence I am Deist somewhat out of that respect to the Founders.

Related, but they are not the same. Dagda and Odin don’t exactly fit in with Greco-Roman culture, philsophy, or mentality in terms of theology is concerned.

"Race communism"

Nice little catch phrase you have there, Slick.

But even then everything we know was written by Christian monks

this claim is repeated with zero substantiation. snorri was not a monk, and we have no idea who wrote the eddas (most likely skaldic bards like snorri). monks would have zero reason to write down pagan poetry. everything snorri and the anonymous compilers of the poetic edda claimed is congruent with archeological finds, earlier records by the romans and descriptions from the muslims. you are also ignoring the folk traditions which have been preserved despite christianization and romanization
jeets have been in overdrive to ruin this board lately

Stonehenge is a Jotnar construction basically, to mix the geography a bit. But that's the story all across Europe. Old Europeans and Indo-Europeans, and they're a lot newer and more heavily assimilated than racialists and nationalists like to think about.

Boy this is a nonsequiter. Is this a bot? What does the origins of Rome got to do with cutting your dick off and giving money to Israel? I feel like you are responding nonsensically or to another anon.

You could always just practice a cooler pagan thing than muh vikings muh greek

Funny hungol

but im not fingolian anon

Okay, explain what do (you) consider "renegade" branch.

American entering the debate

Muh aesthetics

You belong to your people by blood, not by how big of a fanboy of an Aesthetic you are

Nordicism is a black hole and the total "enigma" that is seidr proves how comical our understanding of Germanic culture really is. Especially since no one dares to compare it to what practices actually exist in the Greek and Roman literature. Pandora's box is held shut in terror by modern scholarship which is subservient to the fascist and patriarchal mainstream.

I'll allow it now go familiarise yourself with SKVR

Just call him a Brazilian monkey. He is doing the d&c even though we should be syncretizing

My mistake. I was dual thread posting and replied to the wrong thread. Picture was meant for you but not the text.

Yeah the number of shill threads has been insane

I agree. If HAD to choose I'd go Nordic because I am that, even though I think what the tan people have is pretty damn cool too.

so many kino myths and gods

all cucks by a jewish boi

begone faggot. let this Holy Rune strike fear into your jewish soul

I thought so. Heheh

Oooh a screenshot of wikipedia, scary
Where do the Aesir come from?

Because nobles didn't wanted pay taxes to their pagan priests shit you not most of the converted because christian priest told them they take the money from the folk rather than from them.

Its time to start reading the Bible literally and think about what Yaweh really is. Because he certainly was not omniscient or omnipresent

from Buri you dumbfuck, did you even read it?

Why are americans so fascinated by culture and belief that is completely detached from their own?

If you want to read the Bible literally you can only do it in Greek and by comparing it to Greek texts instead of Hebrew

From Troy

Id rather pretend Im a roman than a jew. Simple as.

Well yes if you wanna go all the way, but if you have sufficient historical knowledge and grasp of English you can go through YLT while listening to series from people who do speak Ancient Greek for comparison. You can get very far that way.

most americans are not raised in a proper culture. so for them, religion is not an ancient tradition, passed down from father to son, but a new t shirt to be worn every other day. they are orthodox one day, hare krishnas the next, then tradcaths then protestants and so on and so forth. religion is more a fashion statement and a social fad than anything else in america

Herodotus wrote that the Egyptians identified Dionysus with Osiris, and Horus with Apollo. Perhaps he has a connection with Odin, if we proceed from the words of the Egyptian priests, then it turns out that Apollo did not have 1 eye like Horus and Odin
I wonder what else is Anubis - a dog. Apollo was associated with them. He gave the dog to Asclepius, he himself turned into a wolf, but also a raven. Odin had wolves and ravens.
Also, if we proceed from the fact that Osiris is Dionysus the snake (you may be uncomfortable, but in Babylon there was Serapsis, and this is Sabazius - Dionysus - Pluto - Osiris - Hades - Enki), then Quetzalcōātl is most likely associated with Osiris and Apollo, and Xolotl with Anubis

most americans are not raised in a proper culture

Firmly starting to believe urbanization is the insidious killer of belief and pagan tradition

when snorri claims that Thor came from Troy, he also says that he was 'as handsome and as white as ivory inlaid against oak wood'. what did snorri mean by this? were trojans white?

no, they could not be snakes!

Well, not snakes, but fish, if it’s convenient for you

As he was looking at the Ho [Yellow River], a tall man, with a white face and fish's body, came out and said, 'I am the spirit of the Ho.' He then called Yu, and said, 'Wan-ming [Yu] shall regulate the waters.' Having so spoken, he gave Yu a chart of the Ho, containing all about the regulating of the waters; and returned into the deep

The inhabitants of the country of Baiming-guo ("Country of White People") offered Shennong an animal called yaoshou ("medicine beast"). When someone fell ill, it was enough to stroke the yaoshou on the back and tell it about it, so that the beast would bring the necessary herb for healing from the field.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longma
sohu.com/a/209415022_99962688
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_White_Snake
Apollo also gave a caduceus with snakes to Orpheus. White civillators... often had a fish/snake lower body. I think Lug (and all the tribes of the Goddess Danu), Manannán mac Lir, Sumerian Apkallu, Nagas, the water goddess, the Indian goddess Danu are also connected with them and perhaps the Sumerian Anunnaki too. Special dogs are also connected with them, that's why Muslims don't like them (maybe)
And just read this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votan
and read what royal family he was from and what the houses were called

that's why the Bible condemns the serpent

Perhaps they had specific costumes, I don't know.

"America" is the direct result of the things happening in the old world starting 5,000 years ago or so. Look at all the early founding iconagraphy, the fathers were possessed by a spirit created long ago. Many of them were necromancers who spoke the words of the dead. Christianism is a runaway train that begins in the bronze age.