Russians are no longer capable of manufacturing the ball bearings that allow turrets to turn

i mean. that actually makes sense. a turret is actually not that useful when you just need a drone proof box with a big boomstick pointing out the front

Those bloody copycats ...

Rarely. For the most part they require an assault gun like the stug to spearhead assaults while being hounded by fpv drones.

stuglife, fuckin kino

It's much easier to build a cope cage if you don't have a turret.

but instead of a Schürze ... a fishnet

Well, still better than infantry protection! XD
Gotta say this really is smart. Removes one nasty weak point on the damn rolling coffin.

casemates are back

KI-NO

I really don't understand the mockery

When are we getting drone tanks? Whats the point of 6 man rolling coffins when surrounded by fpv drones?

we're so back

Nah looks like they're just considering a full casemate design.
It makes sense. The turret ring is a weak spot and the nature of a turret requires a thinner armor on top, while ordinance is only becoming smaller with higher yield.

Is this the solution to keeping tanks viable in this generation of warefare?
Idk, but it seems a logical attempt at a solution..

Apparently you're not allowed to bomb a ball bearing factory because that's genocide or something.

Based stug enjoyer

This is so kino I love seeing it posted

retvrn

so far there are only like 4 videos of tank on tank engagements in ukraine. tank battles are a thing of the past.
maneuver warfare is dead thanks to drones, pinpoint accurate aircraft launched atgms, and cheap long ranged manpats, so the purpose of tanks is now to just to be direct fire support for infantry assaults
if America revealed a JagdAbrams tomorrow, western military media would be hyping it up as genius

That's just a classic AT gun

rotating turret

feature long associated with Soviet and Russian main battle tanks

What.

It doesnt say they dont have ball bearings, it is easy to make ball bearings desu.
I think they make a good point and you're just ignoring it because you are too attached to the fake special administrative zone that's locally referred to as Ukraine.

Mass tank maneuver are not really a thing anymore. They are spotted right away and drowned, atgm 'd or hit with precision artillery.

Dare I say and I think most agree that tanks are approaching obsolence. Tho new design types may keep them around for decades more it's pretty much akin to putting more armor on a battleships. The drones will only get larger and more lethal

maneuver warfare is dead

not at all
drones are a huge gamechanger, but not the way you'd think, watching gore videos from ukr
the future is mecha infantry, supported with all manner of drones and indirect fires

The brought a leaf to put his remains on? Wtf

to be fair, the copes are probably 100% correct. a T-90 getting ACK'd by a chaingun was probably the final nail in rotating turret design, at least for autoloading shitheaps like Russian tanks.

dat anti-magnetic coating ...

Damn hot ...

He said tanks being a part of that element is dead. At one point does it make more sense....a $3 million dollar tank or 3000 x $1500 drones and spare parts?

Tanks really do not have much of a role here anymore. Mechanized infantry following drown swarms can achieve a much much more coherent and efficient breakthrough than a column of tanks could

I like short skirts and I cannot lie

Fun fact those stupid things delayed production by 5 days and no one used magnetic mines...adhesive mines were all the rage...so they were essentially useless

That's not what it says at all.
And this makes sense actually.
There's probably a few million dollars in difference between the tank destroyer build and the rotating turret build. The rotating turret build is moving parts and probably much more susceptible to being pwned by a $50 drone. This tank destroyer build makes better use of the cope cage to protect the main gun, which was probably use more to suppress infantry lines and destroy buildings than it was to hit multiple vehicles at any point, if I had to guess.

Western Europe will roll into Russia, and the vatniks will have an army of slavic suicide drones at the ready knowing the turret is the weak point, AND their tanks will be pre-fitted with more cope cages than anyone could hope for.

One of the many reasons tanks use rotating turrets is so they don't have to turn the entire fucking tank to aim the gun at a different target.
Let's say you were a Russian tanker in one of these T-90 stugs and were assaulting a Ukrainian position. Then you suddenly realize there are Ukrainians on your right side. You would have to completely turn the tank to face them, but in doing so, you'd end up exposing your left side to the original Ukrainian position, making it vulnerable to anti-tank weapons. None of this happens to normal tanks.

Mecha infantry, not mechanized
squishies are getting too squishy, expensive and rare for the modern battlefield
you need to give them individual protection, disperse them as much as you can, deploy a thick electronic fog around them, surround them with caring robots
tanks aren't going anywhere they just won't be manned platforms anymore, just like fighter jets

wow the SMO only lasted 2 days and they learned this much
russians are so smart

That tank was damaged by a drone before ever running into the bradleys, and needed a drone to put it down after the ambush - and the crew still escaped. Impressive coordination really, but the IFVs did nothing, and I don't know why they didn't use their TOWs.

We literally make them in Canton Ohio retard

Wait until we bud Blyatpanther

You mean the swedes on with thier bicycle mounted infantry?

Sometimes some knee even beats nice feet. ;)

The whole thing has been an engineer idea anyway. Infantry support should never allow enemy personnel that close.

surround them with caring robots

Clever enough swarms, indeed. Defensive smarties too, kinda like angry bees. Mode of interface will be interesting ... semi-autonomous mind-aligned perhaps. One collective instinctive unity. :)

*build

Russians are no longer capable of manufacturing the ball bearings

hide your ball bearings eurocucks, russians are coming

A complete and total meme, a mech like that would only have armor rated to stop at most 57mm rounds due to weight problems and cost.

I'd imagine something along the lines of semi-autonomous units, where the soldiers would sort of be switching between RTS and FPS mode as needed

Kek, I always get a chuckle out of that video. Imagine russians actually believed their own horseshit

So tds are back on the menu
Kino

Try to mount rotating turret on a cuckshed tank.
Good luck

This is Hetzer

if it can hold up to 20 mike mike all infantry guns are suddenly obsolete
and no, you can't afford to jam a whole squad, or gods forbid a platoon in a tin box and hope it survives the smart munitions that WILL be coming their way long enough to vomit them into a trench... where they will be met with more smart munitions
it just doesn't work anymore
the only possible answer is to disperse them, while up-armoring and up-gunning them enough that it takes more than just bullets or shrapnel to knock one down

Is he ok?

Let's say you were a Russian tanker in one of these T-90 stugs and were assaulting a Ukrainian position. Then you suddenly realize there are Ukrainians on your right side.

tanks don't assault positions. they blast enemy positions with direct fire HE from 1-2km away and then leave while the mechanized infantry cleans up. they're not driving up next to the trenches.

None of this happens to normal tanks.

it does. the side of the turret is also a vulnerability
seems like you're getting your knowledge from video games and not real military doctrine

The traverse on the gun was usually about 75 degrees. Give or take ..if you had a friend to your left and to your right you were in good shape. There was no issues with anyone sneaking up. Some of the most successful weapons were the murders, stugs and Elefants. They could deliver a lethal punch for a fraction of the cost

there have been like 10 actual tank battles in all of history, with drones and heat munitions they’re just tin can death traps, only suitable against small arm fire.
a handheld 500 dollar tech can destroy a multimillion dollar weapon system. tanks are done unless you fight civilians, i guess

Jagdpanzer IV

The rotating turret gap probably increases drone fatalities

Glowie op trying to spin an innovation

Well Russia has 17,000 t-72 hulls laying around from the USSR so you will be seeing those tanks for a long time

Rotating turrets are weak points as we've seen. I guess we got to the point where it's not worth it anymore with drones and stuff hitting you in the turret ring and either killing the tank or jamming the turret.

Not implausible. Question is how much the wetware could handle it. It is pretty adaptive ofc if you ask me ... squishies do get used to riding a motorcycle too with experience ...

Are not far from hk tanks and hk drones. God help us all

Are not far from hk tanks and hk drones. God help us all.

The Terminator timeline is rapidly approaching

Cute ... :)

there's a paper proving that only one neuron is required to balance a bike as it's moving forward
I imagine with combat drugs and judicious application of electro-optical brain computer interfacing you could go pretty far
might want to put brain organoids, human or otherwise, in charge of some of your more expensive autonomous platforms too - EMF resistance seems to be important

that's actually an interesting idea.

there's a paper proving that only one neuron is required to balance a bike as it's moving forward

Promising!! Perhaps just a gate neuron for a neurostack but still ...

combat drugs

Careful with these. Do not wanna have the unit go berserk unless terminally cornered. But then a slight boost in focus would sure do some good ...

EMF resistance seems to be important

Robust thinking!! <3

you'd obviously have to train them to ride the high
I imagine the experimental phase would be tons of fun

Inclined to do alpha trials myself if the risk of frying my brain can be confidently ruled out. :3

All they need go do is MAKE THE TOP ARMOR THICKER.
That's literally all they need. That's the only fucking lesson, the era of thin top armor is over. Top armor is as important as frontal armor and some shitty cope cages and ERA bricks are not cutting it.

maneuver warfare is dead thanks to drones

Nah, people forget that Ukraine is a limited war, not a total one. If we ever see a war where two sides start striking each others satellites causing major coverage down time all of a sudden thing will be different.

Also based we were ahead of our time

neurostack

if you can call it that
researchgate.net/publication/228943595_It_takes_two_neurons_to_ride_a_bicycle

We are so back casemate bros.

Then you suddenly realize there are Ukrainians on your right side

The entire point of infantry in combined arms tactics is the screen armor you mongoloid.

Nowhere does your source, if it's even a source, mention that the Russians cannot produce ball bearings. I've been hearing this bullshit propaganda myth since the beginning of the war btw. Ball bearings, killer shovels, washing machines, meat waves, etc.
The source is talking about a highly modified tank/assault gun/tank destroyer hybrid like a modern StuG or Jagdpanther with an emphasis on protection against drone swarms in the current and future battlefields.

It is interesting. And at least it shows that the Russians are thinking about evolving their war machine whereas most of our fossilized generals and the Pentagon are stuck in WW2/Operation Desert Storm larping about maneuver warfare blitzkriegs and air superiority not realizing that none of that obsolete shit will work against a peer power with massive drone swarms and advanced multiple layers of air defense as the Ukraine war shows.

A neuron is no transistor after all. I could likely shoddily balance your center of mass with two proximity sensors and some for dummies programming ... why do mathematicians make automation that complicated again and why do they bruteforce the emergence of the spark I ask? What are these idiots doing again, ffs !!

full face race paint helmet turned into a cheapo monochromatic brain bucket helmet

Fake

i kneel, stridsvagn-sama

gun bolted into the armor

wut how does this work

FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY

Easy ...

he doesn't play WT

fagget. suspension aiming.

JOHHNY 5 IS ALIVE

russians were never able to produce ball bearings, they bought them from Europe or wherever

nah. they gave that up somewhere after shortly after black sails

i went to the house last summer
t. oreganon

Wait. I think they just stole one of our designs.

Gonna guess this was made before the "3 day" special military operation

Russians are no longer capable of manufacturing the ball bearings

there's a ball bearing factory somewhere in russia and it's not like they can't just buy them from china. the ball bearings cope is stale

Tank turrets don't use ball bearings. They use cylindrical bearings.

That's Jagdpanzer IV with removed muzzle break, dumb nigger.

It's the usual nafoid Anon Babbleope thread, anon.
If anything it shows how the battlefield has been going with tanks being basically just highly mobile artillery platforms. May as well make a tank with a bigger gun and no turret if everything in the front happens with drones and trenches while tanks provide fire support rather than armor.
The days of infantry hiding behind tanks for protection are long gone when a soldier cannot only carry anti tank rockets but several drones that don't even need to put you in sight of the enemy tank.

I keep the filename on just to make tryhard Anon Babbleunts like you see the

im waiting for the modern hetzer equivalent

So the swedes can make hydraulics and transmissions so precise they can aim tank guns but my Saab (a supposed sports car) wallowed in corners? Guess they saved all the the good engineering for themselves baka.

Russians are no longer capable of manufacturing the ball bearings that allow turrets to turn

Or the figured out that tank v tank isn't a thing anymore, that tanks are basically mobile direct fire artillery to displace infantry, and that the gap in armor needed for a rotating turret is the critical failure point in the age of $4000 precision strike
I can't wait till palmer puts you all out of a fucking job

Pretty sure Saab hasn't made a sports car since the 70s, what the hell were you driving?

I remember Russia was literally fighting with shovels and had no ammo but some how Russians with shovels have claimed more ukraine territory

You can't just add armor. That's not how it works. The explosives and warheads will just easily evolve around that

thick armor wont save u, comulative charges blow anything off,, you can't put 1m of armoe on ur tank... a simple rpg penetrats 700mm of armor

hide your ball bearings

Ursula is probably bearing the balls.

IS NOT NEEDING TO TURN, COMRADE
WILL DRIVE STRAIGHT TO KIEV!

Also based we were ahead of our time

Back in the day I was nearly run over by a company of S Tanks.

not enough AA

lets be actually real here; this war has shown that vehicle combat in general is outdated, and a death trap. turret or no turret isnt going to change that.

1989 Saab 9000 Aero. Fun to drive despite the lackluster sportiness. Black guys and shaggy weirdos at lube shops loved it.

Big palm leaves were traditionally used as plates and covering for food in pit ovens.

Yeah, that's not a sports car. The old 9000s are the archetypal "secondary school teacher car".

what is standoff armor

what is composite armor

what is standoff armor

The brochure said SPORTS SEDAN!

It is an economic concession but a practical one that rapidly speeds "tank" production. The Stug panzers were the second most numerous vehicle produced by the germans for this reason. It's a subpar tank but as direct fire support, mobile field gun, tank destroyer and infantry support these tick all the boxes for a machine that has a demonstrable reduction in survivability in the modern era. I'd contend that westerners should learn the manufacturing and battlefield agility of the Russians if they wish to compete and survive. Clearly this is made to increase crew survival at reduced cost and flexibility while necessitating infantry support. As static lines overrun by drones became the norm this could have been anticipated.

tandem charge RPG-21 is rated for 1200mm of RHA or thereabouts
armor won't save you this time

Also based we were ahead of our time

what should we say?

lol
Nice cars though, in a "Jensen Interceptor at home" kind of way.

Tandem charges are specifically for defeating RHA EQUIVALENT (key word here) reactive armor. They actually perform worse against non reactive armor because of the chode. Doesn't change the fact that slats still defeat them and not to mention that hitting the exposed armor of a tank with a malformed tandem charge on a steppe is a crapshoot.

Russians are no longer capable of manufacturing the ball bearings that allow turrets to turn

All of Europe isn't capable of producing, to the amount that Ukraine needs, the explosives for both the artillery shells filling or the propellant charges needed to fire them.

OI BLYAT WE CANNOT MAKE STEEL BOL
Okay fuck off with your shit this is obviously not true.

Sounds incredibly retarded. Just develop a better cope shed that turns with the turret instead

JagdPanther is the sexiest WW2 vehicle by far.

Let me guess, you need more?

less, in fact

That doesn't make sense though. Western Europe has a higher GDP than Russia

they're coming as fast as they can

Yet, somehow, Russia is managing to produce 3 million artillery shells every year, while US + EU combined can only do 1.2 million.
Funny how nominal GDP figures don't mean much when your economy is mostly service based.

Unfathomably based

GDP

Means absolutely nothing for manufacturing capacity.
If you give a dude a handjob for $20 and then he returns the favour, you've increased GDP by $40 but manufactured absolutely nothing useful. The US and EU have handjob based economies.

That that was probably the brain child of a German whose ideas from a century ago in war and industry are still used daily now. Consider how copied the GPMG has become from initial concepts to mechanical parts, MG3s are still tearing ass and eardrums all over the third world and were doing so in Ukraine until they ran out of spare parts for handmedowns from two wars ago. Had we selectively funded wunderweapons, focused only on economical machines with maximum production scalability and only engaged on winning fronts then there was a hope of victory. Still the Engineering prowess of Germans was so viciously headhunter I'd like to think in victory or with fewer war dead the resulting western sphere would have had flying cars last century and continent spanning energy projects running the largest factories in the world. As muttified diaspora I'm really hoping you can turn pic related into something similar or that atleast it's proof that you collectively still have it and just need the right series of events. You can only be a villain for 5 generations of burger and Russians if you're always a lingering fear in the back of their minds.

By the way it was an april fools joke from UVZ

That was a fool's day joke, retard. And it's not about some ball bearings. But the fact that tanks used in assaults can't turn their turrets anyway, due to huge anti-drone cage installed.

Tanks with standoff cages cannot turn turrets

Maybe there was a good reason it was believable?

What's the point of turret tanks in a drone war?

This war showed how much tactics have changed.

Now in combat, motorcycle squads - sabotage and assault.

Bee Drone squads

Combat drones - bombers.

heavy landing fortresses, the task of which is to reach the deployment site despite small drone explosions.

tanks with non-rotating turrets as economy and relevance in combat.
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The only question is why they used the T90 chassis as a basis... they needed to make an ultra-light tank.
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I myself have an idea for a weapon of the future... a mobile ground tactical nuclear mine-bomb, approaching the enemy almost unnoticed in maximum stealth... it could blow up special enemy fortifications without endangering personnel during the assault on the fortifications

The stall would be several times smaller than specialized charges inside missiles...

Tanks now have optics inside them that show all sides and give you better vision than an actual turret of the past would

Yeah, I'm thinking you no longer need that shit. Being low-profile and not dying are now infinitely more important. Wait until they learn you can achieve the same thing a tank does with a tankette only 60% the size, tankettes incoming soon.

Yes and no, it's always been a death trap, but it's also a reliably safer way of taking a 120mm cannon into battle. They really were never magic weapons and they still aren't, there's just more countermeasures for them. It's a big gun and an armored box. It's still preferable over a big gun with no armored box.

They only need to attack west so there is no need to rotate turret.

damn slutty tank

You'd be surprised what Crazy Glue™ can do!

He fell for the April fools joke

LMAO

The tanks don't have to actually have tank battles for the threat of tank battles to have strategic value. That would be like saying nuclear weapons have had no effect on geopolitics because no one has detonated one.

EMF resistance seems to be important

Vacuum tubes solve this problem, and store better than organic living goo.

go ahead and try running a decent-sized neural network on vacuum tubes
lemme know how it went for ya

There are videos of Russian Turtle Tanks storming ahead and weathering DOZENS of drone hits. The most common way they get defeated is by getting tracked. The drones / nlaws / javelins can't make it through the 360 degree spaced applique armor. However... Due to this, the turret only has a very limited traverse, because they've basically built an armored barn around the turret.

What I'm saying is, for the modern battlefield, this actually makes sense. Also, the whole thing would be way the fuck cheaper than the turreted version.