10 YR BOND YIELD IS SPIKING RIGHT NOW

I bet you’re someone who would spam that Russia is losing the war too

there goes cheap mortgage

*taps the sign*

We are about to get endgame levels of stagflation. Our empire had a good run fellow burgerbros.

Was it worth it?

Endgame?....

It has only begun.

to force flight into treasuries

nigger do you understand what rising yields mean?

what does that have to do with anything ITT?
it's like clockwork

It was over the day Nixon took us off the gold standard. Keynesian economics was always a fraud and stealing from the future with interest rate price fixing and money printing was always going to end in disaster.

QRD?

it's over, for real this time.

oh shit oh fuck

No one knows and pretend not to be a brainlet just to fit in.

Nice for those who hold USD. And good for US importers.

The US is officially in a sovereign debt crisis. The government can slash entitlements or hyper inflate the currency. That’s basically it.

10 yr bond

Trump would prefer a 10 yr old hahahahahaha.

some econ 101 student is so proud of this ebin troll. are you people really passing this around? holy shit Anon Babble please dont be this rarted

this time

lmao

Well so much for that schizo Anon Babbleposr. I guess it was a bad idea for the US government to get economic advice from an Mongolian basket weaving website with anonymous users who could be literally anyone

Oh no, not the poor billionaires :(

investors (maybe china) are selling us 10 year bonds, causing rates on 10 year debt to go up. it means mortgage rates go up, it means when the us treasury issues new debt (to pay off the old debt and fund gov spending), it's going to have to pay more in interest. it makes us debt even worse in the future

It has never been more over than it is right now.

Now would be the time to hop off the Trump train if you haven’t already

This isn’t going to affect the billionaires, this is going to decimate the middle class. This is a problem that has been in the making for decades. The left can try to blame Trump all they want, nobody will care because nobody believes them anymore.

Explain this to me like I’m a 12 year old retarded Canadian faggot

What middle class? They have been going out of their way to destroy the middle class and widening the rift between rich and poor

The Democrats won’t be able to fix this. They’ll be seizing power over a pile of rubble that can only be revitalized with sound money like gold or bitcoin.

Its over

looks like that one anons theory is correct

???

Nobody is buying our debt anymore. This will mean the end of the dollar is near if we don’t eliminate entitlements like social security, Medicare, and the military.

It means investors trust the US treasury more than they trust the stock market.

it's like what that meme shitpost said, except the exact opposite

Probably Chineses just start selling your long bonds to market. Guess what dollar happen when they start moving their cash to yuans.

You have literally no idea what you’re talking about. None

No, it means nobody trusts the stock market or US treasuries.

spiking

.03%

A FUCKING YIELD JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

Wrong

Anon was exactly correct, retard.

cool arguments bro, you really explained a lot

What? I'm expected to spoonfeed you now? You didn't read that one anon's theory?

Turn your screen upside down. You're reading the chart the wrong way. Bond yields are rising because bonds are being dumped. It's the opposite of that retarded schizobabble

It's no big deal. Let the Chinks blow their load. Then infinite QE and landing on Beijing.

zoom in

The 10 year yield is up 2% and the 30 year yield is up 2.6%. This shouldn’t be happening while the stock market is crashing.

It makes it more expensive for the US government to borrow money, because the value of 10 year treasury notes are going down due to China selling off billions of dollars. Don’t listen to the retard talking about the stock market, he doesn’t understand what this chart means

Wrong

The percentage yield rises to attract buyers so it is bad if you are holding treasuries.

Nixon took us off the gold standard because our exchange rate was totally fraudulent.

The economy is complicated and Trump and Musk are retards

Who wants to wait 10 years for the payout? I got shit buy now.

That's not the OG sign nigger

Chinks load is huge...there will be lack of buyers for those bond if they dumping all out..and others start dumping too when they notice than someone dumping.

Let me explain it.

Jews were behind Epstein Island

Jews have the files and videos

Trump is in those videos and files

Jews push for Trump to get in office

Congress is blackmailed into doing nothing as Trump destroys the country

In return for unfettered support for Israel to include US troops, Jews let the orange moron do what he wants

Because the orange moron is legit stupid, he's crashing markets

It's really that simple.

What does this mean for the 90 percent of Americans who aren't compulsive gamblers in the global jew casino?

Zimbabwe currency

In the near future you’re going to be dirt shit poor.

Hyperinflation for you

Rates are locked in when you buy so what the fuck does it matter for people who bought earlier

I'm too poor to invest

who isn't?

MAGA had a theory that Trump was crashing the stock market on purpose so people would buy short term treasury bonds thinking that there will be a recession. This would cause the treasury yield curve to be inverted meaning 10 yr bonds have lower yields. Then when the US government refinances its debt it will have to pay less interest and will save some money over 10 years

However this didn’t happen, the price for short term bonds is declining and the yield for 10 yr bonds is increasing

This theory had a lot of holes from the beginning but it got spammed here a ton and some YouTubers (as well as Trump’s own administration) repeated some form of it too

Then again nothing ever happens

Nothing. To make money takes money. In order for anyone to invest enough to make a real profit would take 100k at least. Most people out there who invest are looking at losing like a few hundred dollars.
Faggots screeching about it just faggots who own like 50 shares of Ford and lost like $80.

makes treasury bonds totally worthless

Stop spamming this glue eating meme

Wtf is even the point of bonds? You'd be better off just sticking your money into a savings account (unless you're a retard who banks with a major bank like Chase) than buying treasury bonds. Most of the time bonds don't even keep up with (real) inflation.

The yield is higher than it was on liberation day, at the same time the stock market has erased 9 trillion in capital.

You know how we joke that the dollar is Monopoly money? That happens, but for real

90 percent of Americans have no assets

Its so central banks can play retarded games

anon stop i'm trying to not jack off right now.

Wtf is even the point of bonds?

Clearly it's not something you are equipped to understand

Buy Treasuries

BIS niggers were talking about yields rising in Europe. Guess it's all falling down lol.

Explain it to me then, Warren Buffet.

Ah hem*
Don't make me tap the sign.

Hyperinflation would be good for anyone in debt but only if they can keep a job.

No it doesn’t retarrdo, if that were the case the yields would be going down from people buying, not up. It means more people are selling treasuries while there’s a simultaneous stock crash.
So investors don’t see US stocks OR US treasuries as safe, basically money and investment leaving America. If he was playing 4D chess like everyone claimed, it just backfired and he put even more upward pressure on interest rates.

You going to make me?

That's all anything financial is anymore.

Savings accounts are backed by bonds, retard. The banks steal your deposits and buys treasury bonds as soon as the check clears.

you buy a 1-year treasury bill for $100 with a 1% yield, you expect to get $101 next year

next day yields jump to 4%, everyone else buys $100 with a 4% yield

wait until maturity, you have $101, everyone else has $104

you are now poor (all wealth is relative, the house you wanted to buy has increased in price closer to 4% than 1% over the course of that year)

you can of course sell before maturity on the secondary market, but that will lock in your $3 dollar loss immediately

I love how every retard with an internet connection has become an economist in the last few weeks. Most of you didn’t even know what a treasury yield was until the other day.

that's good. that's where the money went after the markets crashed.

They also use that money to fund loans.

So China and Potentially Japan can dump on you?

what does that have to do with anything ITT?

everything. its importanting in determining what sort of person you are and whether its fruitful to engage with you or not.

I've been on the Jewish money trail for years. It's maddening.

What are you talking about? You think I'm not going balls deep in US bonds if I can get 6-7% a year?

this

is that good? should i be edging? because i am

It means the price of oil is about to skyrocket but the price of cars and baby cribs will be the lowest price since 2006 and if you live in Europe you should stockpile graham cracker pie crusts before they become unavailable after memorial weekend. I’m a financial advisor.

I don't know what it is now. That's not gonna stop me from calling all finance fake and gay, though. I know it's fake and gay because it's jewish, and everything they do is fake and gay.

Wow yeah your $100 is going to make a huge dent

I wish I was smart enough to understand what any of this shit means :(

Is there like a crash-course I can read/watch to make me not a retard? I don't even know what a bond is

Don't be a chud, buy crypto

Yes, it could be the start of a debt spiral or pop.

This isn't the global jew casino. It's the US debt. This market is orders of magnitude bigger than the stock market. Rates rising mean no one wants US debt. It means the US debt is about to spiral out of control in unimaginable ways. It also means you'll never own a house unless you inherit and you're going to see mad inflation.
Their bonds are worth less than the initial value because they pay at a lower rate than the newly emitted ones.
it pumped straight back up you retarded nigger this is literally what this thread is about. everything in that retarded post of yours is being disproven right now

Why are you reading and posting in a thread filled with supposed retards? Beat it, faggot.

Is the opposite, retard.
Higher yield = higher risk.
Higher risk = Third-world shit bond.

So Trump can refinance American debt.

China alone has enough us treasuries in their arsenal to send rates upwards of 11% not including the ensuing panic it would cause

it means investment banks are putting away money with uncle sam cause we're going to fucking war

Investopedia, fren

refinances at a higher rate

LMAO

So the banks pay me 4% interest to go buy bonds that typically accrue 1-2% interest? That sounds pretty retarded.

unironically investing in bonds

How old are you? 47?

Lurk a lot moar

leave this thread, go read

What's the Canadian dollar worth now? Like $0.05? Should I buy leaf money and hold onto it?

That’s probably what’s happening right now, unironically. They started selling treasuries to buy gold after the Biden administration seized Russia’s treasury holdings.

that typically accrue 1-2% interest

no, they don't? this isn't the 2010s anymore jfc

Wrong sign.

Low volatility returns, generally above any cash yield, with guaranteed nominal returns for holders.

Thanks. I'm 32 and about to get out of tard-debt I accrued in my 20s, so I should start learning this economy stuff once I get disposable income

giving a fuck about fake numbers

Yeah and they still have almost a trillion USD worth left, they haven’t even really begun. Nor have they even really retaliated to the 104%

Isn't this precisely what the Donald has wanted?
Push people into bonds to lower the interest.
Inflation don't matter to him.

Okay so I see nobody else in this thread knows how it works either. I'm going to continue calling bonds retarded and finance devil kikery.

Just charge a little more for your blowjobs.

What an interesting pepe

I do not believe I have seen him before

I shall save him into my collection

Relax Chang, they can't do that much. And it's an one-time trick.

Bonds are the way Jews control the world with the fake money scam.
That's it. There's no other purpose. They're just interest-making papers, like magic.

Shit kid, it’s barely begun

nigger, you're talking to some dude who believes his savings account is a bunch of paper cash in a secret uncle scrooge style vault owned by his bank
literally 80% of the posters here are retarded

another one caught

check'd
but your posts ITT indicate you're retarded. But I'll give you your first (you) in 7 posts

Thanks for this explanation.
This is what I'd heard lately.
Go bonds, dump stocks.
But Trump is having trouble now?

You think the fed is going to cut rates if inflation is going nuts?

We have never been more ogre. It’s joever, hoever, and clover.

You should've scrolled further before being even more retarded. Sad state of affairs for you

If eurocucks are spam seething it has to be good

Except the interest is pumping back up. Sounds like Trump's 87451D chess failed and it's over for mutts.

What is a coupon?

Will be insane if it happens, i'm selling all my stocks, crypto, house, car, everything.

10% yield for 30 years...

Plus if rates drop to 2-3% within a few years I can cash out for >100% profit. Would be unironically retarded not to go all into bonds, nobodies had that opportunity since the early 80s.

However this didn’t happen, the price for short term bonds is declining and the yield for 10 yr bonds is increasing

...Much to surprise of anyone with a working brain!

No, seriously, what the fuck were those MIGA retards expecting? That people will willingly pay for a debt-laden shithole that nobody will want to invest in since it's equivalent to a BPD cutter now? Your money is better off in Europe or >chyna

Rught, because the fate of the world is decided on the bond yield of this hour (which isn't even that high).

They'll only do what protects their class.
And the bigger banks.
I'd still expect the big boys to swallow the little guys. Consolidate.

Kek

better off in Europe or >chyna

Look into emerging markets.
Anything but in the west.
Move over there too if you can.

People that bought 10 years ago.
You know, literal generational health.

All these prominent filth rich families have perpetual 30yr bonds running for decades (and every year they buy more).

Even if they wanted to just keep the US treasury yield where it is to prevent the FED cutting (which trump needs), they would only have to keep selling a minuscule amount while US stocks keep dumping. Pushing investors to take their money out of the US entirely. They have so many tricks up their sleeve. You’re trying to beat them at their own gain. Even if it got to the point where China was hurt who do you think would tolerate a drop in living conditions more?

This will mean the end of the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE** is near if we don’t eliminate entitlements like social security, Medicare, and the military.

FTFY

Someone want borrow money so he "create" a bond what he sell to money lender and promise to pay interest for borrowed money and borrowed money after time like 10 years.

How yield works?

Lets say than bond nominal value is $1000 and interest is 5%. That means 5% yearly income to bond holder. If some reason bond holder want get his money from bond and invest them somewhere else he might offer bond for sale below it nominal price like $990 and that raise yield to 5,05% so buyer getting better yearly profit because bought the bond cheaper.

That happening now in market..someone selling long time bonds cheaper and yields raising.

The yield is higher than it was on liberation day, at the same time the stock market has erased 9 trillion in capital.

To anyone slow, this means capital is fleeing America.
In previous crashes they just shifted from American stocks to American bonds.
These are early signs of a potential death of American dominance. It may actually be different this time. Probably not though, who the fuck are people going to trust instead?

If all living Americans were able to spend a $1000 on one 10 year treasury, they'd spend about $335 billion, which is roughly the same amount that China has. However, the total amount of other treasuries China has is about $800 billion. So that's China alone. What if Japan joins in? That's an extra $1 tril or so. So Americans just bought in at the top while everyone else is preparing to dump it. Nice try, genius.

We Zimbabwe now

Honestly this would suck but it would be pretty funny

How is everyone under these kinds of threads somehow a top of the class ECON major that knows exactly what will happen concerning any given circumstance?

debt-based central banks are going to become a thing of the past
currency issued in the form of debt, as we have today, is doomed to fail (as it is now)
once a currency is used as an investment, it is no longer useful as a currency
the treasury market globally will become meaningless
nations will begin to use their own debt-free sovereign currencies issued by their treasuries
the Fed will eventually be dissolved
the US Treasury will issue debt-free US Notes again

Currency backed by labor (productivity and services) makes a nation strong
Currency backed by debt makes a nation slaves

currency issued in the form of debt, as we have today, is doomed to fail (as it is now)

bond yield of this hour

the point is this nigger triggered a global trade war and it barely made a dent and the Fed can't do shit without triggering Weimar 2.0. put things into context ffs

Absolutely GHOULISH

end of the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE

By the end of this year

Honestly this isn't particularly complicated for anyone who has spent time actually learning about macro. Nobody "knows" what will happen of course, but the potential and likely outcomes become clear as data rolls in.

You get capital appreciation if the bond price goes up.

no one itt is even predicting what will happen, they're explaining what rising rates mean and speculating on their cause (like investors moving money out of the usa). believe it or not, there's more a dozen people on 4chin (maybe even two dozen), some are bound to know economics

Read the thread again. Half the retards here
Also you don't need to be an econ major to understand what a bond is.

half the retards here understand it the wrong way*

I just don’t see Americans tolerating a significant almost overnight drop in living conditions for long enough for any long term good to come of this. A global trade war benefits nobody.

Gregor needs to chill and just go buy another car.

Probably not though, who the fuck are people going to trust instead?

Countries will probably just diversify, there wont be a single hegemonic currency

They’re not. As for myself I have two econ degrees and spent 10 years at a hedge fund.

i hope you are right

A reminder, Federal Reserve Notes are what are being issued to worthless oblivion and

the US dollar is a fucking UNIT

We need to AGAIN issue debt-free, Treasury-issued US Notes like we did before (and during) the bloodsucking, obsolete Federal Reserve. We need to AGAIN issue debt-free US Notes that are pegged to a basket of commonly-used weighted commodities, distributed by a series of state banks.

We can:
1 nationalize Fed banks
OR
2 dissolve Fed and have a series of state banks
OR
3 issue US Notes simultaneously AGAIN and eventually recycle worthless Federal Reserve Notes out of circulation
OR
4 YOU CAN RIGHT NOW: use cash/barter/stack/use credit unions/use cold wallets, these five things IMMEDIATELY transfer power directly to the people

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

Real paper cash:

is permissionless

is private

is anonymous

has no transaction fees

works in power outages

doesn’t need the internet

don't need to be a coder to use it

doesn't depend on another party having a device

everyone knows exactly how much they have

has no transaction limits or thresholds for reporting

money laundering is harder with physical cash, due to transport

is inclusive, it does not see race

is harder to use in ransoms

can’t be hacked

don’t need to remember a password to use it

IS the ultimate in payment platforms

using cash helps people to save money and budget

puts the power directly in the hands of the people

keeps the currency near the REAL goods and services

less paperwork

is face to face, not face to screen

makes government theft harder

Boycott businesses that do not take cash.
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY.
Barter is the real torpedo to these fucking clowns.

Europe went negative before the USA.
Demand is one factor, fed policy is another, bigger factor.

It’s like watching pee wee football players bump into each other. It’s funny.

Why wouldn’t you expect usd hyperinflation to follow in that scenario? You really think America would be able to cut its insane deficit?

Yeah even if this were in theory also a painful first step in a positive economic restructuring, the political will and voter approval to see it through is non existent. There could've been a less ham fisted, shocking (in the economic sense) way to roll this policy out, but here we are. Egoman is duh bes at negotiating

Except the debt is over 35 trillion. Every American should buy not $1000 but $100000 of those bonds.

That 6-7% doesn't look so good when inflation is 20%.

I just came from an adult gif thread where a tranny was butt plugging his husband and actually looked kinda passable for a woman. This hasn't even taken into account the fact that we can grow humanoids in pig stomachs and use ai to reverse jack into their brains with nurolink to make sex bags.

It always turns into sex with these sickos. $100 says you can order a prepubescent ai brained tranny child with furry flesh by the end of the decade and it is "OK" because "it's not really a person". I'm going to need a bigger recliner for watching these horrors.

Not to mention factories don’t just magically pop up overnight, no matter how much money you throw at the problem.

If, all along, Trump had made an attempt to actually educate his base, it would work out. They trust him. THey just don't know a damn thing about macroecon.
Instead of being straight forward with his supporters, he encouraged them falsely with false hopes in the stock market. Just like he did with Op warpspeed and the bioweapon shot.
There's no reason to trust him now, even if he is doing the right thing.

You know what's weird is all the timeframes up until 5 year don't spike like that. In fact, the 1 and 2 year are absolutely cratering. I think somebody knows something.

p-pol is r-right again!

Well yes, unsurprisingly most of Anon Babble is totally fucking retarded and doesn't understand basic economics. The long and short of it is that bonds are debt instruments. When you buy a bond you are giving the government a loan. Bonds tend to be a safer investment so long as you are sticking to safer sources, but they trade a lack of risk for (generally) a lack in return. There are a variety of different kinds of bonds, different rates you can expect, and different timeframes on when the bond is fully paid back. Like with anything, it's just an avenue of investment that you should research thoroughly before jumping into blindly. But I assure you it's not retarded, just one avenue to grow an investment.

Cost of living spikes can be offset relatively easily. What will be sacrificed is the stock market, which most Americans aren’t heavily invested in. Watch for the trade deals that will put downward pressure on prices of certain goods in the coming weeks to months, namely gas.

how many weeks you thinkin?

It's not doomed any more than any other system. The people pushing this idea are getting paid from it, ie selling books or sales commissions.

Gold.

who the fuck are people going to trust instead?

youtu.be/MKMG-FdCGtM

Inflation from what? CPI is going to be through the roof with these tariffs and the rich are going to be buying up treasury notes. At that point even if he cuts income tax money will be so tight you'll be taking a pay cut alongside it.

Enjoy waging until you're 85.

The real problem is here.
Factories take years to build. We don't have the engineers, architects, building material or workers to do it.
Mining? You kidding? Opening a mine takes up to 25-30 years before it starts producing.
And we have zero refining capability now.
Money won't fix all this.
In a few generations, if the children start getting a real education, maybe we'll make it.

Trump is going to invoke the Insurrection Act on April 20th and make protesting against him illegal.

i actually went to look a little

this dow support looks suspicious. huge players are locking it in place.

30yr derivatives are moving all over the fucking place with volume on dumps. i don't know wtf this means. markets are severely disjointed and it's not even necessarily a currency or inflation driven move anymore. but the market makers are still hedging like it might be business as usual.

I think this is just pure chaos and lack of information because nobody knows what to price in. Get Fukt everybody.

Isn't it because stocks are cheap so funds are more so putting money into stocks rather than bonds?

Enjoy bagholding usd

When it all tanks, bottoms out, the real problem won't be poverty. It will be looting.
This will be a dangerous summer.

The reality is, the one they need to be making a deal with the most is China. And strong arming them like this is not the way to go about it, this puts Tesla at serious risk, along with some of the other largest US companies. I just don’t see how this works out well, potentially risking bankrupting Tesla, the largest US auto maker to make yields go down and have it send them higher anyway? Even Elon sees the writing on the wall and is begging trump to reverse course.

debt-based currencies are unsustainable

Overwhelming majority of his base either just want lower taxes or are otherwise unable to be educated on the topic. See: the resistance to basic economic facts on this board, Fox tricking people into blaming price inflation on oil price instead of money supply, etc.

Every American does not have $100,000 of liquid cash to buy bonds tomorrow. Less than 1% of 1% do. They will own your ass.

The meme was always retarded. This doesn't help Americans. This helps Jews.

Bitcoin actually works as the answer but that’s already been captured and governments would start indiscriminately slaughtering people over it if it actually became the cash that everyone transacts in.

debt-based currencies are unsustainable

It means the US government has to borrow money at a higher rate than before.

The sign was right.
But if Trump makes American workers richer again, then that is still a win

The CIA will just murder him for real this time if he does.

china doooomping

yesterday a move of 30bps from 3.9% to 4.2% cost china 50 billion

at the time, i thought "ah, this looks like a test"

But you understand how big sums we talking about if your national debt would have to paid back by taxpayers. Without taxing rich it newer succeed.

it would mean they're dumping without negotiating a block trade. Can't say Donald didn't start it.

long vix? lmao

the yield curve is also spiking straight up btw
(this is what happens before the shit really hits the fan and has been predicted by schizos for years)
fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y

30yr derivatives are moving all over the fucking place with volume on dumps. i don't know wtf this means. markets are severely disjointed and it's not even necessarily a currency or inflation driven move anymore. but the market makers are still hedging like it might be business as usual.

market makers

investopedia.com/terms/p/plunge-protection-team.asp

unless countries are dumping us treasury debt

They might be able to move it to 5% before they're out and it won't amount to anything long-term. Whereas the tariffs will stay and generate income for the US. Stop freaking panicking in the middle of the battle, the die has been cast now.

What's a bond and where does the yield come from?

Will I still get my pip payments?

Just do some math projections for yourself, China selling their bonds would push yield north of 11% even assuming nobody followed suit as bonds dumped

Not at all. China’s success is staked almost entirely on American debt while at the same time America has only suffered by its industrial base being siphoned away. China needs to be kneecapped and quick. Strong arming them is how you force them into a corner to make a deal or die. No country just gives away its industry because you ask. You only get it by taking it, like a lion or a vulture. China’s been a culture for decades. Well there’s a lion back in town.

hell yeah we are getting there

People say that the dems would've just kept us on a slow spiral towards inflation, but honestly I think I might prefer that to this.

Elon wants Trump to reverse course because Elon’s wealth is tied up in equities. But Trump is changing the entire economic system. If your wealth is tied up exclusively in equities you are going to lose for the next 4 years maybe more maybe forever and Trump sincerely doesn’t give a fuck about that.

Honestly I doubted whether Trump was really a patriot until this move. Somehow he did good things but they always were mainly to benefit his friends and his ego. This is a total retooling pro-America move and can’t be spun any other way.

I might have believed this if he didn’t also just tariff all of the US allies, he has pushed so many countries to expand trade with China and just forget about the US, the real toll won’t be obvious for a while. But when it is, it will be unequivocal

No it wouldn't, allegedly they dumped 50 bn to move the yield by 0,2%. They need 500 bn for 2% and it's not a linear function. Higher yields will actually unlock more demand by other players. I don't particularly dislike China, but it's hard not to smirk at their cope.

Thanks for posting the actual sign

i fucking hate you assetfags. Trump definitely has good ones tho.

It’s not even about Elon’s personal wealth, genuinely what the fuck do you think happens if Tesla goes bankrupt because trump miscalculated and specifically the China tariffs kneecapped all US companies so violently that they just drop before even having a chance to shift toward even trying to set up a supply chain for the parts they need, not to mention all the rare earth minerals

Bitcoin actually works as the answer

Bitcoin will stop trading with the NASDAQ in a full blown crisis. Vendors will start accepting bitcoin and the rest will be history.

in the context of this screencap, it mean trumps plan is backfiring. by crashing the stock market he also blew up the debt market

A long term government loan. The yeild comes from a money printer. What's a pip payment?

why do you hate "us" assetfags(serious question)? Donnie is accelarating so i am fine with it.

10 year bond is returning like a high yield savings account.

The debt market started blowing up as soon as the Biden administration seized Russia’s US treasury holdings. Trump has simply accelerated the process.

isn't this all according to keikaku?

Lol

Look I get the dream he’s selling, I’m not arguing about whether he should try expand manufacturing, I’m asking what happens if it was too aggressive, too bold and too violent that it sends irreversible shocks through the markets bankrupting the very companies he’s hoping open plants in the US. Just look at all the cancelled plans already man

losing

Erm. 3 years+ into a 2 day war?
*lost. Long ago.
Froggy McPoojeet and you can get a room and condole each other.

M8, what's happening now is the opposite of that shitpost.

if you invent imaginary objective for the enemy, they lose

lmao

i came from high frequency and I think your strategies only matter for people who have 9 figures. like even retirement types have to be cowboys like me or just sit on bonds and stfu.

everything. its importanting in determining what sort of person you are

post tits

The proposal includes measures such as restructuring U.S. debt by converting foreign-held Treasury securities into ultra-long-term bonds, thereby alleviating immediate fiscal pressures.

The proposal includes measures such as restructuring U.S. debt by converting foreign-held Treasury securities into ultra-long-term bonds, thereby alleviating immediate fiscal pressures.

from goog AI:
By July 1, 2025, the U.S. government needs to refinance approximately $9.2 trillion in debt that will mature or need refinancing in 2025, with nearly 70% of that debt maturing in the first half of the year.
He has a big deadline coming.

Theyre either moving their money from stocks to bonds bc they're retarded or they're anticipating the country to be going into a lot of debt/printing a lot in the near future.

Look at the price chart for gold, retard. The gold rally started with China selling US treasury bonds to buy gold in 2023.

Yeah. Toadally. Because russia is a superpower, right?
One that can’t win a war against ukraine.

because it’s too strong to win.

Yeah. ‘course. Okay.

And yet the debt market volatility didn't explode at that point

It’s China and/or UK.
This ends tomorrow when Japan steps up.

kek
so, what kind of fella are you?

OUT OF BONDS, when you sell bonds the bond price goes down and the yield goes up

explain. Me rice gook me dumb

meanwhile in reality......

No dumbass, it sent a signal to the global market that US treasury bonds aren’t a neutral reserve asset. This is why gold has been rallying so hard.

And he has just made the interest rate higher making it even more expensive to refinance, it has backfired so far along with wiping out an untold amount from US equities

Depression time

So how close are we to lynching politicians in the street?

there is a flight out of US treasuries, yields are going up, (re-)financing costs are going up. literally the opposite of that trust-the-plan shitpost

I vomited at this half assed shitty attempt at a gross reappropriation of a good meme

Seriously kys or at least never post again

number goes up

This is good.

*was staked almost entirely on

What China *could* do, is just stop delivering parts to the United States overall, seize factories and so on. Then Trump will literally bomb them. If China doesn't want that to happen, they'll cuck.

Thanks

you are correct that it's not a linear function, but you are incorrect in the way that it scales, and i would argue that you are overestimating the stability of the system at this point in time

it is no longer 1991, it is no longer 2008, it is no longer even 2020 or 2024. the times have changed.

everybody really forgot about BRICS huh?

The American brain cannot comprehend this

The problem is that there isn't any time for a gradual reshoring of manufacturing. The administration believes that a war with China is imminent and the US must decouple quickly.

exactly
it severely undermined the confidence in the dollar and dollar denominated instruments

did everybody forget how the fucking petrodollar died and now oil trades are being settled in other currencies?

If yields keep raising U.S. government might be unable to payout those bonds and more importantly it cannot sell new ones. Interesting to see do you default like some South-American countries in your situation would do..

everybody really forgot about BRICS huh

This is why Americans think there's hope, because they know nuffin about the BRICS.
BRICS meeting in Rio, July 1 too, probably show off their big new trading system. Not a BRICS currency, just their digital system. They have the west beat. Totally.
We should be so lucky to be able to get into that alliance.

two more weeks. source is r/millennialfinance

trump admin is trying to tank dollar it's really the opposite of what they want

everybody really forgot about BRICS huh?

I don't even know if BRICS remembers they're in BRICS

Hot take: nobody will give a shit about this in a month

You don't think that aggressive fiscal policy and soaring federal debt played a role there? People across the world just looked up and said "well I guess if chinuh sez so"

I don’t think you understand the scale we’re talking about. A single ship builder in China outputs more ships in a single year that all US shipbuilders have built combined since World War II

pride comes before a fall

Investors are buying 10 yr bonds. Buying it up increases the price, not the selling part.

We'll see soon enough. Trump was to crash the system - the stock market - by end of June.
If he cannot refinance the debt owed by then, then default.
Trump has always been the one to do bankruptcies. That's why he was pushed for this time. He is not crashing the economy, he is managing the crash.
Have no idea how it looks after the default.
But CBs are fighting for their lives.

It also means you'll never own a house unless you inherit and you're going to see mad inflation

I mean that's already happening.

Kicking the can and continuing to feed the beast of the Orient could have led to an even worse "oh fuck" moment. Or maybe everyone could get rich together and join hands while singing Kumbaya. Guess we will never know.

The price is going down bub. It's inversely related to yield.

more of like a slim waist with a normal sized butt, wbu?

The entire world is dumping their bonds. USD can no longer be trusted as the reserve currency.

Hot take: you'll be taking hot loads to buy bread in a month

hubris, man. object permanence fallacy

You don't need to default straight away. You could put capital controls in place and increase interest rates. Since the excess dollars have nowhere to go, they will happily buy treasuries. The average goyim will have no idea that he is trapped.

Which is exactly why this is so urgent. It took decades to destroy American manufacturing. It cannot take decades to rebuild it.
Yeah yeah I'm sure India is going to willingly become a chink fief.

Lmao

FFS go learn what the fuck a bond price and a bond yield are

In a month you'll have trouble affording canned food.

That's the point, and the problem.
The new BRICS system has each country having their own currency as a reserve, plus a few others for trading.
The RMB is in dozens of countries now - used for trading, especially oil.
They do not need the US dollar anymore.
They'll keep some, but not enough for the US to keep going.

It wasn't a slow spiral towards inflation, it was a slow spiral towards Chinese hegemony.
If you would prefer Chinese hegemony then that's your prerogative.

I'm sure that plodding domestic capital markets, crushing consumers, and injecting massive macro uncertainty is the way to fast track the capital formation and risk tolerance required to make the sweeping capital investments necessary to rapidly expand onshore manufacturing

BRICS

yeah didn't read the rest.

FUUUUUUCK!!!!!

Covid destabilized the economy and never recovered it. The post 9/11 haze has cleared by now. They will create another problem. It is necessary for THEM to continue. Not us though. A comfy post world conflict country would be nice, but jews

Hey retard, how long did it take the US to dismantle the Iraqi government in 2003? Like three weeks or something? It should have been like that with Russia vs Ukraine. This is the equivalent of us getting stuck trying to go north after getting Basrah. For three years. People would have said we're a total joke.

Russia is doing everything it possibly can to save face and pretend everything is fine but clearly it fucking isn't even in the same neighborhood as what they expected to happen here. They already had crimea and luhansk/donetsk before the new invasion broke out. The territory going up to kherson was surrendered with basically no fighting by literal traitors in the Ukraine army. As soon as they started getting organized resistance the plan fell apart.

China has said it doesn't want American chickens now either. They bought a lot of those.
But chicken now and freeze. Soon there won't be much of that to buy. This will put Purdue and Tyson out of bee's wax.
They haven't threatened us with a loss of grains yet. But I'd be well stocked with flour too.

I don't get it

It cannot take decades to rebuild it.

It will, just by its nature.

Short term, no. Long term, maybe.
I have yet to see someone present a better alternative. The status quo had to end.

The people who have strong opinions about this can't even explain what is happening. Talk to an economist over a beer and run scenarios by him, and he will mostly give you noncommittal answers filled with buts and asterisks. Economics may as well be voodoo. Personally I only voted the one time in 2016 and will probably never vote again. Having any control over anything is an illusion we tell ourselves so as to not drop dead from a heart attack before 40.

Honestly COVID was the final straw but we were always in precarious condition post 2007. Shit happening now is the consequence of things that started in the 1990s

Brainlet here. Someone explain why this is bad

Someone is BUYING.

Who??

The economy never recovered after 2008 and America kept running huge deficits.

Don’t worry, it’ll all be clear when you’re standing in a breadline to avoid starvation.

Red Scare 3 is in the works for that. What's emerging out of Eurasia right now will shake the system's foundation to its core.

the situation is urgent

and this short term situation is the opposite of what's needed

but it's the best option

It will be beautiful, a spectacle for the ages. Finally.

What's emerging out of Eurasia right now will shake the system's foundation to its core

This post has convinced me that China is very very strong

This will affect me in Europe?

Investors don't see an upside in the economy for the next 10 years.

Yes, the next few months will be difficult. We only have a couple of years at best though.
Not that complicated. I still have not heard a better alternative to this situation.

You have 10 or so Trillion USD worth of debt needing to be refinanced at the new rates which are so incredibly expensive compared to the rates they’re refinancing from. Everyone said Trump’s master plan was to cause a crash to masterfully lower the bond yields making it cheap to refinance at a low rate. It backfired, he got the stock crash without the bond yield reduction, they’re actually higher now than they were before, basically the worst possible scenario

It's patriotic to kill 401ks, devalue the US dollar, isolate the US from allies, raise the cost of borrowing debt, and raise the cost of virtually all consumer goods

what in retardation

To make it simpler: If Trump strikes a trade deal with Europe, Japan, Australia and at least Argentina or something, things will get back to normal. If not, it's possibly over for the US, as they try to fight the rest of the world while being semi-bankrupt.

Everything the Chinese have announced, in response to what Trump has been doing, was planned out years go. They knew we were coming up to these deadlines, that we would not be able to meet them.
They were ready.
They are hammering in the final nails to our coffin.

There is phrase along the lines of 'When America sneezes the world gets a cold' for a reason.

It backfired, he got the stock crash without the bond yield reduction, they’re actually higher now than they were before, basically the worst possible scenario

There's a lot of time for that to change still.

Yes, of course. Europe is as insolvent as the US. The collapse of the dollar will ripple across the global economy and bankrupt everyone, even China. The world will have no choice but to return to sound money like bitcoin. It won’t be decreed, it will simply just happen naturally.

months

Lol.
Maybe more targeted trade restrictions that weren't being broadcast aggressively to destabilize capital markets? Paired with quiet budget cuts instead of grandstanding? Start addressing issues quietly and in a measured way without triggering everyone else into shooting you in the foot

Japan

And Japan, NK, and China are buddying it up now.
The see.

Very implessive. They have no economic woes of any kind and are totally in control.
Tanking the Yuan means nothing. They are strong.

There's a lot of time for that to change still.

like two weeks time? lol this is just more "trust the plan" nonsense

And Japan, NK, and China are buddying it up now.

Old news. Japan and SK are already coming to the table.

And all that does it make the US bonds that China and Japan hold worth even more to dump slowly. China loves when the yield drops because their bonds are worth more, they sell a little bit then wait for a recovery, rinse repeat

This is why his presidency is over. He had a crisis and he had a chance to do something reasonable. He took a retard gamble and lost. Nobody will ever play along with him again, he's either a puppet or he's a dead man walking because the intel agencies aren't going to just let him destroy the nation without resistance. Or, I don't know, some hyperventilating leftist will make another shot while he's out golfing, and unlike last time secret security won't bother looking for the guy, and he won't miss.

Most of the BRICS alliance countries are now buying RMB and stashing that as one of their reserves.
China in the ascendent now.
And how much land do they own in the US? uh-oh

here comes cheap principal

No, its that its been a week and things are still volatile. Tariffs will remain against China and be renegotiated with most other nations.
If the rates are still out of control in late May, then I'll be concerned.

China is competent in a world plagued by the competency crisis. They figured out a way to keep themselves on the path towards Communism while becoming the greatest market economy the world has ever seen. China wasn't really what I was referring to, though. It's the Communist forces in the former Soviet Union gaining traction again that really has the chance to shake the global order up for good.

If USA makes default there will come grand recession which is much worse than 1929. Hard times for all included me.

Trump backing off the tariffs wouldn’t stop anything. The debt ponzi scheme ended the day the Biden administration seized Russia’s US treasury holdings. Everyone’s sovereign debt became a non neutral reserve asset. That genie can never go back in the bottle.

Means you gotta fight China little chuddie get ready to get drafted

Glad I'm not American. Being born to this low IQ mixed race is a punishment. The great Trump is trying to dismantle this nigger nation hegemony. America deserves it and I'm rooting for him

And all that does it make the US bonds that China and Japan hold worth even more to dump slowly. China loves when the yield drops because their bonds are worth more, they sell a little bit then wait for a recovery, rinse repeat

And eventually they will be sold off completely.

people start stacking physical silver

fed raises interest rates to stop it

trump tries some trick to lower interest rates, has no idea why things are like this

fed says no, because people still stacking physical silver

BRICS

alliance

didn't read the rest

China is competent

hahahahahahahahahahaha

China could also just move on into the CONUS.
They own land and industry all over.
We could be their serfs.
I don't see their men wanting American karens.
They'd send their wahmen to marry American men. Send US chicks over there for body parts.

The debt ponzi scheme ended the day the Biden administration seized Russia’s US treasury holdings. Everyone’s sovereign debt became a non neutral reserve asset. That genie can never go back in the bottle.

This is a very good point

We’re talking about a last ditch attempt by Trump to save the US from a default, he either pulls it off or the US defaults. There’s no in between

You guys know what this means, right? RIGHT?
It means China is dumping UST. That's YUGE.

They don't have any surplus women

Finally
Will we have a proper trade war now that turns into a hot war? Is it happening at long last?

Should start planning Default Parties.
How do?

Which one?

Trust in Donald Trump.

last ditch attempt by Trump to save the US from a default

Imposition of double-digit tariffs is the equivalent of a default already. You can't re-negotiate a contract after you agreed to it, especially at this scale. This is a total reset.

This chart does it best.
The fed does all the research and knows all the top decision makers and they raise the ffr to raise rates when there is too much inflation, when the ffr comes back it means they are expecting a contraction.

Or bankruptcy reveal parties.

I’m not seeing how it’s contradictory. The singular reason China was able to go tit for tat on tariffs last time is because only they got tariffed. China just exported their goods to Mexico and Canada which then exported to the U.S. If tariffs get slapped on all of them, that’s not possible anymore because the tariffs address trade imbalances of all three. Still I don’t see what tariffing allies has to do with what I said.

It’s not realistically possible. What’s being sacrificed is just speculative equity prices, not operating income. Musk can margin called. Tesla will continue to make vehicles either way. And again, I already mentioned how input prices can be kept down easily. All you sacrifice are the bullshit overinflated stock market equity prices.

I’m not seeing the worry. You’re basically just accepting short term inflation that you can easily bring down and then stock prices that don’t generate real surplus anyway. The real risk here is not that we tank our own economy. It’s that other countries like China get desperate and lash out and hurt us. But they always could’ve done that, and were doing it just in slow motion.

401K values are fake. They’re juiced by bullshit equity prices that have little to do with a real economic backbone. The U.S. dollar would ideally be devalued because one of the reasons we lost industry at all in the first place is because others were cheaper. We have no real allies, not really. Not except for the ones who will negotiate, which there will be. The cost of borrowing is just the interest rate. So I’m not sure what your point is there. And although all consumer goods prices will go up in the short term that’s not necessarily the case in the long term.