Can any christian here articulate a reason as to why you are christian besides something about owning atheist...

Pissing off lying kikes like you is the reason for staying Christian (among many others), not becoming one

christianity but let jews exist unmolested the entire time

How can you be this much of a lying jew? The popes constantly had to tell Christians to stop butchering your jewish ancestors

So your religious belief is pretty influenced by the idea that you think you're epicly trolling jews?

Do I actually have to explain to you why the christian church protecting jews that regular people hated is an argument in my favor pablo

Christians literally burned and tortured their fellow europeans alive

After those pagans burned and tortured christian civilians. You're not my fellow european if you pillage and rape villages in the name of some tranny pagan goddess

How does she shave her back hair?
I missed that part of the karon.

Yeah I read the church fathers as well as philosophical critiques of monism, dualism, arguments like the TAG argument, and also Christian accounts of their relationship to paganism (idolatry). I became convinced that Christianity is literally the only existing religion that makes sense at all.

lol, look at this dumb kike lie again

church fathers as well as philosophical critiques of monism, dualism

Garbage

became convinced that Christianity is literally the only existing religion that makes sense

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Are you under the impression that Charlemagne was a pagan or something? He initiated most of the brutal insane religious wars that christians waged against pagans and famously behaved incredibly dishonorably while doing so. This seeming misunderstanding regardless, Christians literally even did this to eachother. The most destructive war europe ever faced until ww1 was just catholics and protestants doing the most horrific shit to eachother you could possibly imagine in the name of vague disagreements over hebrew scripture.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
If you're curious.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwedentrunk
This is the most infamous example of christian on christian torture.

"They laid the bound soldier on the ground, stuck a wooden wedge into his mouth, and poured into his belly a bucket full of disgusting liquid manure, which they called a Swedish Drink."

Nair, but it's pretty much hairless anyway

You literally pointed out that the church forced goyim not to kill jews

Very substantive and nuanced critique. Solid arguments. I’ll change my view right away sir.

Hahahahaha

Religion is a deeper and more profound paradigm than politics. Politics are subservient to religion, not the other way around. Speaking as a Muslim.

It's because they were either raised Christian, or they got cult tier love bombed when their life was shit.
Absolutely NO ONE turns to Christianity if their life is going well, or even mediocre. It's only when they are desperate.

t.raised bible belt baptist.

Born agains are insufferable, and usually the worst of the worst.

Sorry I didn't see this. Yeah when you read it it kind of makes sense as a cohesive, video game esque explanation of the world, but there are many religions that try to scratch this itch for you. Mormonism, for example, has probably the most strictly codified rules on existence and the afterlife of all the sects of judaism, and there are obviously dozens of eastern traditions which echo almost the exact same philosophies as christianity. Why christianity in particular?

its safe to debate here anon, we wont bully and mock you
tell us why youre religion is right

“Church fathers” are famous for being liars, I would not trust anything they have to say about other religions. Lol

besides something about owning atheist snowflake libtards, or some nebulous idea that jews somehow dislike the only thing that has preserved their existence for 2000 years?

youtube.com/watch?v=Dxx_fadAoMQ

So if you like the way mongolian throat singing sounds, you would go stare into the sun all day and worship father tengri
?

That’s not a debate though. Debates include arguments and positions. That post was neither.

The arguments are sound or they’re not. There’s capacity for lying.

wikipedia literally is a propaganda jewish website
it's own founder discredited it an unreliable

You're right, it's not a debate. It's a simple question.

i felt adequete in implying i hold the same position as op, whilst you have merely declared a neutral position
is it not implicit that atheism is a challenge to any and every belief in the supernatural that must be met with recourse, lest you be so impious and worthy of doubt

Well if you suppose the necessity of a divinity that enables us to have knowledge of anything at all, and I do think a divinity is necessary for that and thus you must accept the existence of a divinity, then it becomes a question of which account of divinity is coherent and non-contradictory. For example, I could sit here and tell you that I believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster because it was revealed to me in a magic book, but a Flying Spaghetti Monster isn’t exactly the kind of god that makes it possible to know things at all let alone know about it via some revelation in a book. So it can’t possibly true. My position is that Christianity is the only religion that avoids all of those problems. It’s the only religion that claims to not only have knowledge via revelation, but what is revealed is actually exactly the sort of God that justifies belief in the revelation at all in the first place. And that’s partly through a process of elimination of other accounts, like with the Flying Spaghetti example but with Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. and partly through reasoning about the Christian God as revealed (theology).

Sorry. What is the question?

I didn’t take a neutral position. I said I affirm the Christian account. I don’t see what atheism has to do with this…unless you’re an atheist? If so, I can refute that in a single reply.

Can you explain your behavior without pattern recognition

Pattern recognition is everything.

It's the only thing that matters.

in a single reply

i took can cause damage with a single stroke too, but if you dont care to rebuff me, then i dont care to press a non issue

English please

I believe I can grasp what you are saying. You think that christianity is the most cohesive and least contradictory religion.

Based off of your given reasoning of theological coherence, how do you reconcile the vast differences in theology espoused in the Torah and the New Testament? Jesus is presumed to be the literal living word of god and as such the Torah is just as validly Christian as the New Testament, yet huge amounts of these books directly contradict eachother. God commands the death penalty for adultery, Jesus defends adultery. God commands that pork is unclean, Paul says it isn't. God commands that circumcision is his covenant, Paul of course doesn't. Long hair is a direct representation of Samson's masculine power, Saul says the opposite. Jesus directly quotes books that are excluded from the bible (book of enoch), so on and so forth. Doesn't it seem slightly more likely that Christianity is just a messianic sect of judaism which at the time period included a bunch of short term changes made to convert Romans and Greeks?

the english dont deal in hard truths about strife and purity

To get forgiveness and eternal bliss after being an abusive shitbag their entire life.

Let christians have their copes, they have no idea they are in samsara and will be perpetually reincarnated to be abused and exploited.

It’s not “the least”. It is not contradictory at all. There are zero other religions for which that’s true.

As for the question, it doesn’t even really make sense. Do you imagine Christians keep the Torah? The Torah is just part of the Old Testament which for Christians is an account of prophecy and not a list of personal ethics, codes, or laws per se. What’s important is that contradiction not exist ontologically. Ethics from one boon to another can deviate. But an ontological account of something can’t be contradictory and be said to be true.

Think of it this way. You can tell me what to do, and you can’t contradict yourself when you do it multiple times. But you still exist do you not? Any account of your existence, wouldn’t be proven false by pointing out your ethical commandments are contradictory. That’s because your unchanged existence is predicated on your commands, which are subject to change.

I could, but I prefer smug faggots to burn in hell ;)

Christians keep the Torah, yes. I am not sure if you have been inside of a church or not, but the book is regularly quoted and read aloud, at least as often as the words of jesus while alive. Jesus' status as the Logos means the Torah is still the word of god and considered highly valuable. You could easily argue that there is a huge amount of ontological incoherence as well, there is an entire group of religions referred to as Gnosticism which basically arose as ancient people's attempt to cope with the seeming lack of commonality between the words of god in the torah and in the new testament. Many of them believe that there are literally two gods described in the bible.

So you admit that the bible(god, that is to say, as jesus and god are the same person) contradicts itself/himself, but don't care because assuming that god exists it doesn't matter that he just changes his mind every couple hundred years? Do you not grasp how this kind of circular logic doesnt really make sense

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You should recognize that Whites and Asians are more inclined towards irreligion than niggers and spics are, paco.

It’s quoted and read aloud because the Bible is a liturgical document and you’re attending a liturgy. All of the Old Testament laws are observed via the New Testament. So the real meaning of a law can change with the fulfillment of Christ’s resurrection. With Christ, the ceremonial laws of the OT are fulfilled and a new covenant is established. So no, there aren’t any contradictions even if Christians only observe NT laws. But again, it wouldn’t matter because to point out an ethical contradiction means nothing for ontology. And speaking of ontology I’m not really seeing your point. You mentioned gnostics but just because some people are wrong doesn’t mean the real account as it actually is and properly understand is contradictory. My claim is not that everyone is in agreement. That would be a fallacy. My claim is that the real, true account understood properly as it really is contains no contradictions.

No I don’t admit that. I deny it actually. I think you missed my point.

It claim something about the world to be true and then from that premise argue that we should do x and do y, it is not necessary the case that my claim something about the world contains any contradictions even if x and y are contradictory. So it’s a moot point.

I'm Southern. You don't get to pick and choose your identity, you're born into it. Your blood is real, it's tangible, and it's all that matters.

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Did you know *omnom* that libtards *scarf* HATE eating shit? That's why I *hork* eat shit *braaaap* all day every day. Shites are king.

The new testament includes specific explanations as to why you are supposed to ignore the old testament with justifications mostly being that gods current opinion is more important than his former opinion, as you have stated. I mentioned gnostics because it is literally so obvious that it has been observed by people since the earliest days of christianity. Your point essentially is that because god is god he can say anything and it doesnt matter, which therefore proves that god is god and the bible makes sense.

Christianity fundamentally disagrees with this.

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

because its true

here is a QRD

youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

pic unrel

The new testament includes specific explanations as to why you are supposed to ignore the old testament with justifications

verifiably untrue

see > gnostics
why dont they exist today? surely they would be more plentiful now since the word of God is so readily accessible to anybody these days and anybody can see these "contradictions" for themselves? their false beliefs died when exposed to the truth

No that’s not my point at all you’re not understanding the argument the argument is about ontological claims. Whether or not anyone has those right or whether or not the ethics contradict is besides the point.

It’s objectively the Christian position that their covenant comes from Christ. What is expected of Jews before the resurrection of Christ and what is expected of Christians after Christ are different expectations.

their beliefs died

Their beliefs are timeless.

what is expected of Christians after Christ are different expectations

only if you remove all context and all meaning from the word

Romans 13:8-10
New International Version

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

if youre so interested in the Bible that you have such a strong opinion you should read it in full some day and see for yourself

are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?

christians and hindus are a match made in heaven

maybe you will answer the question OP evades.
are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?

saaaarr! drink holy water, is vary good for you saar!

I don’t believe in the Old Testament as it was the old covenant to a people who didn’t follow it

is that supposed to mean yes or no?
here's how it works:
anything other than no means yes.
pretending the question wasn't asked means yes

picking and choosing which of Gods words to follow and ignore

coincidentally this was the downfall of many in the OT

the majority of pajeets on Anon Babble hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

if I accuse others of being pajeet....no one will know that I am pajeet

thanks for playing pajeet.
anyone else would just say no and we move on from there.
but not a pajeet though.
not you

get your face on the fact that pajeets are working for jews. all pajeets, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on Anon Babble. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the west and degrade it

vote trump saar! he will make antisemitism illegal and import more indians saar!

that's another pajeet thing to do, change the subject. you just can't hide what you are

I always pursued spiritual truths since I was a kid. Christ was the only one that responded even though my family is atheist and I never read the Bible until my 20s + used to make fun of Christianity.
The people saying their testimonies about Jesus "transforming them" are actually legit, it happened to me.
God bless

luv Jesus
luv me brothers an sisters in Christ
luv me Heavenly Father
luv me neighbors as meself
luv the Holy Spirit
hate the world
hate the flesh
hate the devil
simple as

Before Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church, most followed their own delusions and worshipped created false "gods". These "gods" were, in essence, created and subject to change (both spiritually and physically). In a similar way, atheism and “secular humanism” are based on subjective reasoning and have an unstable foundation which is subject to change (sensory data). With the one triune God, however, he is uncreated, not subject to change, and upholds all that exists within the universe.

Malachi 3

For I am the Lord, and I change not: and you the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13

Jesus Christ, yesterday, and to day; and the same for ever.

James 1

Every best gift, and every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of alteration.

In philosophy, actualization refers to the process by which the state of one thing goes to another state.

In nature we can see how external laws or factors are responsible for the actualizing of transformations. For example, a chestnut seed cannot grow into a chestnut tree by itself but requires this actualization by nature. To give another example, a ball that rolls from Point A to Point B cannot sustain its motions just by the ball, surface, or even the initial movement themselves, but require multiple forces for maintenance. Similarly even if one were to posit that the universe is eternal, along with its laws, there is still the problem of how the exercising of the laws in the universe even occurred and how they were sustained. For the example of the chestnuts, the force would be, in a way, nature, and the answer for both nature and the exercising of the laws of the universe would, ultimately, be that of God

Polytheism and atheism cannot offer this, but Catholicism can. It is for this reason, along with others, that many nations converted and baptized themselves into the Catholic Church
youtube.com/watch?v=UvU8MGzmsLI

In addition to the need for a trinitarian, personal God, the Holy Bible has successfully predicted events of the future to such exact details that would have been impossible to predict without divine revelation

Isaiah 65

And you shall leave your name for an execration to my elect: and the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name.

Acts 11

And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians.

Despite being written centuries before the incarnation of Christ, Isaiah successfully predicted that the followers of God would be called by a new name. The name of "Christians" fulfilled this. Even non-Christians will attest to how this is the origin of the name "Christian"

Luke 1

And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Hail Mary Prayer

Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners, Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

How did Mary, who lived in the 1st century, successfully predict that many people throughout time and across continents would call her blessed?

Malachi 1

For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts

From this verse, there is a prophecy that Gentiles will make sacrifices to God. In Catholicism, the Eucharist, which is taken at every Catholic Church in every country, is identified as a sacrifice that draws from the one made at Calvary. How could have Isaiah known this?

All of these examples demonstrate that the Bible can be trusted

LOL there are more south asian christians than there are in europe you retarded shill. I have blue eyes and red hair

I will grant you that I could be understanding you wrong and am willing to listen to you if you want to try to explain it in a really detailed way. Not trying to be irritating, you do seem to have a very thought out interpretation and reasoning as compared to the vast vast majority of people.

In Catholicism, there is a doctrine wherein Jesus Christ gave Peter and his successors ownership and rule over the entire Catholic Church, not just individual churches. This doctrine is exclusive to Catholicism and, if it is proven to be true, simultaneously proves it as well.

The Holy Bible surely shows sufficient evidence for this.

John 21

When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.

Notice how it is Peter who is commanded to feed the sheep.

Matthew 10

And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him

Notice how Peter is listed first above all apostles.

Luke 22

And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.

Notice how Jesus specifically prayed for Peter

To own the livtards

Why is that not enough?

only a few specific groups have the time or inclination to spam anti-christianity so frequently. one of these groups (pajeets) is much more numerous and less skilled than the others

How many indians do you think live in the united states you retarded schizo. I can guarantee that on a mathematical likelihood i am whiter than you

Christianity is perfect when practiced correctly.

Post hand with time stamp

CS Lewis said that Christianity had to be correct because it is too retarded to be not correct

whiter than you

things every single pajeet eventually says to validate himself

no white people come from the south asian subcontinent. white people are of the western world, of european tradition and ancestry. white people explored, colonized and uplifted the world's straggling diversity into a modern age. meanwhile pajeets waited centuries for the next superior outsiders to give them purpose and identity.

"aryans" were an ancient example of white people, and they no longer exist in that form. there is no "indo-european" anything worth mentioning. the modern pajeet is a degraded copy of a copy of an ancient aryan's slave, long abandoned to his own primitive devices. a more recent example of abandoned pajeet slaves, this time far from home, are the gypsies in europe.

*swc

In middle school I was taught that the big bang was objective fact but the more I learned I came to the conclusion that intelligent design was a less far-fetched theory. The rest of my life experiences only confirmed my faith.

The reality is brown women want white dick and you are fully aware of this. Go masturbate

Would you prefer encyclopedia Britannica

I’d kill myself if my son married a jeet or a chink. That’s a downgrade

Femcel brown girls go for white men while peak brown women go for other brown men or black men.

Ur pecker small she probably finds it cute and nonthreatening

This you?

Utter and complete cope. If i had the energy i would post any of the hundreds of thousands of tiktoks that exist that show nonwhite women slavering over their white boyfriends and husbands
She's puked on it before

I can predict with almost 100% certainty that you do not have blue eyes

I read Plato before I read the bible. Christianity is exactly what the world needed and still needs at this time. Every other religion ( including rabbinic judaism ) is anti-truth at its core.

Would you say that you are capable of recognizing that christianity is in some ways a school of thought descendant from platonism and it's primary value is that the philosophies it teaches are valuable, as opposed to it's adaptation of jewish fantasy?

I in fact believe Plato inspired the hebrew bible. Its his greatest noble lie.

I haven't read the book, can you say any things you see in the hebrew bible that would indicate this? The focus on a creator god existing I can see immediately

did it hurt

Lmao it really is a brown eyed mutt trying to insult me and call me an indian. big surprise

Because ive seen the workings of satan in this world and Christ is the antithesis of worldly evil

Some scholars, like Russell E. Gmirkin, argue that the Hebrew Bible, particularly the Pentateuch, shows significant influence from Greek legal and literary traditions, including Plato's "Laws," suggesting a later date for the Pentateuch's sources.
We have no evidence that a pre-exhile text ever existed. Maybe an oral tradition that was entirely henotheistic at best.
One can argue that the creation of the Hebrew Bible may have followed the program outlined in Plato's "Laws" for creating a legally authorized national ethical literature, emphasizing the importance of this specific Greek text to the authors of the Torah and Hebrew Bible in the early Hellenistic Era.
Plato cited his sources. If he knew about some jew tribe living close to Greece and was inspired by their "ancient" religion when writing his work, he would have cited them. If some Persian Magi wanted to create the religion set out by Plato, they could have done it.

are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
anything other than no means yes.
ignoring the question means yes

For. The. Bible. Tells. Me. So.

What part don't you understand you stupid bastard.