This is really fucking bad

TRUST DA PLAN!1!! Deflationary spiral- er actually- devaluing currency to decrease trade deficits! That's it! If the average American is dirt poor, we won't be able to buy foreign goods anymore! GENIUS! GOD EMPEROR TRUMP DID IT AGAIN!

If we weren't winning, you wouldn't be here crying.

It destroys the MAGA schizo theory that Trump is crashing the stock market to have everyone buy bonds so we can refinance the debt with lower interest rates

Now that cope is gone. What’s next?

Based.

Fuck MIGGERS

The higher it goes, the less demand there is. That means investors are less willing to risk that the US Treasury would be willing and able to pay them back over 10 years.

everyone is fleeing into bonds?

It's the opposite of that. Usually when stocks crash everyone buys bonds as a safe investment, but the yield mooning like this means they are dumping treasuries instead. Both US stocks and US treasuries are looking like junk assets right now.

Sounds like a win win to me

Bye bye Inflation

everyone

no

How does the 10 year rate going up lead to the government defaulting? How do banks collapse from it?

I'm not crying though? I'm confused laughing.

What did you think was going to happen when orange retard announced he was going full North Korea and cutting America off from world trade? The American economy will collapse down to whatever level of complexity and production is possible within it's borders, which after half a century of deindustrialization probably isn't very much.

jewish money matrix is shambles

confused

Fuck off you smelly goat pussy enthusiast. You can spot liberals just the same as faggots. They're so antsy and impatient. Worse than women

You sound scared

Touch the sand

Countries are selling US debt

Bingo.
This is a time of instability, and the market is dumping accordingly. Normally, you would want to transfer to safe investments, like bonds. This would cause the price of bonds to go up, and the yield to go down.

But this time they aren't doing that. They're selling those "safe" investments. They're selling them because they no longer believe that they are safe.

Guess what happens next.

Don't forget to watch crypto crumble the next days. It seems to go slow, but Btc will become near worthless within a week, maybe two. You can see it happening, it is ogre.

If yields are going up it’s because bonds are being dumped. China is dumping.

cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
It's been higher at least three times this year alone. This is fear mongering

Sure you are. You and the other tens of thousands of shill posts over the last few days.

But green good?

prices of everything rising and migaboomer 401ks dying and more money for Israel and the military and devaluation of US currency is actually BASED

lol

good luck with all that

When yields go up bond prices go down. if the line keeps going up the bonds the banks hold become worthless. Then we get Realized losses leading to a liquidity crisis leading to insolvency risks. And that's just one single aspect, we haven't even gotten into mortgage rates spiking, credit card debt exploding, etc.

so why is everything going down? not even silber is going up where is this money going is it just possibly all fake and gay?

if ten thousand people call me a retard, then everyone else must be wrong and I must be right

like I said, they're too fucking stupid to realize how fucked they are ahahaha

Two more weeks and america is finished right

Banks hold bonds?

I predicted total economic meltdown and a Japanese-style Lost Decade situation but I didn't expect THIS

But why are the 1 and 2 year yields getting crushed? Something's up.

Yes

You are black. You gave yourself away

Premarket shows 2% gain already.

America is already finished, lad. Now it's a slow death and decline into irrelevancy.

4d chess libtards

Could this just be investors pooling cash to buy into the stock market when it bottoms out?

It’s not. This is all according to the Trump tariff plan.

China is dumping it’s US Treasury holdings in response to the tariffs. This will drive interest rates up for a while, but eventually the yields will become attractive enough that other investors will come in to buy them.

You goblins always go overboard. It makes the narrative you're trying to spin less believable.

Premarket shows 2% gain already

This, and more lies MIGAtards tell themselves to feel good about their low IQ

Looks like the highest gradient increase in a year at least

MIGA still delusionally believes anyone that is against them are far left commies or paid by Soros.

Zoom out

Gr8 m80, r8 it 8/88

You’re not going to get a cheaper price to buy bitcoin. The bitcoin life rafts off the Keynesian ponzi ship aren’t going to get much cheaper than this.

Guess what happens next.

the US Treasury buys them and pays itself with the high yields on cheap bonds?

lol. Better buy your TSLA now like a good little goy, just like lutnick wants you to

NOOO NOT THE BANKS ANYTHING BUT THAT IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE IF BANKERS WERE GONE

I don't care if you believe me. If Trump told you Jewish dicksuckers that the world was a triangle, you'd believe him. I see your logic, I see your rational, I see how little you value facts. You faggots are cheering on tariffs, rising prices, stock market drops as well as stock market rises. You have no ideological consistency. You claim every loss as a victory. You are philosophically bankrupt, well-trained, brainwashed golems, parroting whatever Trump TV tells you to repeat.

Let's pretend you're considering giving me $100, and in exchange, I say I'll give you $400 after ten years. You say you'll think about it. You come back the next day. Now I'm willing to give you $464 after ten years, and I look like I was up all night snorting cocaine. How safe of an investment does it sound like it is?

EVERYONE IS FEELING OUT OF BONDS. the yield is going up, that means the price of the bond is going down.

mortgage rates are based on the 10 year, higher yield means a higher mortgage rate. a higher yield on the 10 year means when the treasury issues new government debt (to fund government spending on social security, defense, and to repay previous debt), the government will have to pay more interest.

take the shitpost that's been circulating around Anon Babble, and the exact opposite is happening.

Na na na you are going down with or before us prince Ali bin Buti-botem

REV UP THOSE PRINTERS, JEROME

Do you think anyone cares about your incel opinion?

This cope just doesn't work anymore. You retards are fucking us harder than anyone else in history. This shit is astronomically bad

We turbo stagflation now

China is dumping US bonds to scare retards

so short? your awfully smart so just bet that stocks or whatever will go down you little smart fella

Yes we are fucking you. The parasite class is going to pay for what they've done.

They will have no choice but to monetize the debt. Bitcoin will unironically rocket to the moon when that happens.

They were already worthless from years of printing (free) money.
It’s time to pay the piper. The Jew banking system ( cancer had to be cut out or the patient will die anyway ).
That was the globalist plan.
Trump will get it done , you cry now , but your children won’t be born slaves to the Jew bankers.

I do

Is getting devoured by a lion whole

Haha what a fucking idiot, look at you getting eaten by a lion even though we warned you not to get out of the car

UMM DO YOU *OW* THINK I CARE ABOUT YOUR *AHHHHHHHH* INCEL OPINION???

You'll start caring when it become legal to drag miganiggers behind modified dune buggies

Retarded nigger when the banks fail you will be on the streets staving to death
I fucking despise you people

Look here. We have an actual logical smart response that will get trolled and shitted on into oblivion. More than likely ignored

Look at all these incels seething.

Nature is healing. You better watch out because you freaks will not survive when shit gets tough.

China is dumping

does the sale of existing bonds merely reduce demand for new bonds so the rates are raised to attract new buyers who will still buy older bonds coming on the market? How much of a discount are the dumped bonds offering from new issues?

Biden did it way worse, but we'll see how long this trend continues

You fucking kikes are brain dead at shilling

This was all inevitable thanks to Yellen financing Biden's spending spree with debt that all matures this year.

Why only show a 3 day plot?

lion analogy

fuck off job

It's not a smart, logical response, retard. That's like saying "ERM well actually the stock market sell off is great because it will stabilize and eventually people will buy stocks again"

Yeah, after they lose 30% of their fucking value. You sheep only hear what you want to hear; are too dumb to understand the implications.

your children won’t be born slaves to the Jew bankers

trump loves jew bankers though he was sucking bibi's cock jus yesterday.

Well you are , be honest now
You’re one of three things
A CCP shill
A Jew globalist
Or a Jew globalist useful idiot

When shit gets tough you'll be begging for stale bread and hoping you don't die from disease, fucking retard
Biden didn't tariff the entire fucking planet though, this isn't going to stop. There's no way back, our foundations are fucked

Smells like war.
Looks like the jews know.
Investment banks are retreating to safe havens.

I doubt you have any investments.

I don't give a fuck what you think faggot

You won't survive, sorry. You're a weak male who needs his funco pops.

He was , do have pictures ?
Lol

Basically everyone is leveraged to the tits n running to daddy government for shelter. Problem is, daddy government is leveraged to the tits too, so either daddy government has to print more money or have everything crash.

Trump is betting the Dems won't let that happen and will print money, so Trump can refinance the debt at 0%, effectively wiping the slate clean and buffer the blow by returning industry.

Stay in your fucking gamer chair and keep typing retarded shit idiot, you have no idea what's happening

Because you're dumb

We will make sure the world hates MIGAtards
Pretty sure a single discord group outnumbers this site

Probably dome fatass sitting a basement on disability.

Yes, because bonds are supposed to be safe investments. The bank gives the government $100 and over 10 years that money gains interest based on the yield, in this case 4% annually. So when you borrow from a bank, they set their interest of your debt to the bonds. If the price of the bond goes up, that means banks have to spend more money to get the same small returns they were getting before. That cost is then passed down onto the consumer, meaning it's harder to borrower large amounts of money.

totally demoralized

Kek you're basically already dead. Nature is weeding you out. Watch as the genetic trash squeels

It’s China steadily dumping bonds to keep the yield above 4%.
This is a very good short term strategy but they will *eventually* run out of bonds to dump. Now will that happen anytime soon? I doubt it.

You mean Americans ?
Dirty Jew or chink

it's harder to borrower large amounts of money.

sounds pretty anti semitic lol

Holy fuck, that jew really fucked us over.

take the shitpost that's been circulating around Anon Babble

where did that go anyway? it was being posted every 3 minutes the other day

China is about to shit the bed. The government is doing share buybacks to stabilize. It won't last.

tariffs in effect now it's over

Did Sam Hyde really suck Roger Stone's dick?

You sound like a faggot with AIDS, I’d kill myself if I were you, niggerbrain.

I can't help but notice that its only ever foreigners telling me how bad this is for me

There's no way back, our foundations are fucked

Yeah, thanks to Yellen not locking in 0% rates for decades, and now there's 9.1 trillion dollars of debt that has to be refinanced. At current yields, the cost of servicing the US national debt goes to ~1.5 trillion a year
You need bond yields way down, which means scaring investors out of stocks and into bonds. You need cheaper energy, which will crush inflation and allow the Fed to cut rates, you need to cut spending so the government needs to borrow less, and you need more revenue, which tariffs will provide
You can't bomb China, so the only tool in the drawer is that the US consumer buys like 25% of the world's stuff. That's leverage over every exporter and it seems to be working, with everyone but China agreeing to deal
It's probably an impossible task but what Trump's doing is almost certainly the best hope

Yellen should unironically go to prison. There is no way to do that by accident

Sounds better than the stock market.

stop asking questions

Not only that, but the old debts that were at lower interest rates are fucking banks too. A house at 200k with a 2% interest rate, with inflation and everything else, they're now losing money on that loan. And there's a lot of those loans, from car loans to house loans - they're everywhere and can't be offloaded - since they ain't worth shit.

We aren’t at panic mode yet. We are moving in that direction but not yet.
Really depends on who blinks first.

The cycle continues

C'mon goy buy our bonds it's 4.5% you'll make a killing
We'll keep inflation under 2% this time we swear

ITS MOONING

Sam. Answer the question. Did you suck Roger's dick?

So the fucking bankers just print more money? So? What the the fuck is new?

That's what happens when you live in an echo chamber and wilfully ignore the mountains of evidence contrary to your world view.

I mean, Kamala even told you exactly this would happen:

“My plans will strengthen our economy. Donald Trump’s plans would weaken our economy, would inflate inflation, and would bring a recession on by the middle of next year,” she warned listeners on the popular radio show

fed cuts

10 year at 7%

Now what?

it'll be reset to zero soon enough when the US default on all its debts

crash stock market

scare goyim into bonds

delete all their money

???

economy saved!

see
Everyone knew this was coming. It's just math.

I might see him on Saturday should I ask?

first they were crying about stonks, now this
you all need to recuperate in the chill zone because your hysterics don't bother me at all, I have this thing called patience, and I deliberately voted to crash this economy with no survivors so we could build an economy that actually works.
the malinvestments that led to a stonk that was artificially high has been rerouted into safer alternatives, but if you just shut the fuck up for a couple months you will see how it works.

oh I forgot: how is the price of eggs you hysterical idiots?

Nothing ever happens. Shills expected another massacre in the market and got all green today. They are just scrounging for what they can. Imagine carrying water for chinks? Lmao.

and got all green today

It was green and then it was red. Came out to roughly even in the end.

It was green because people expected deals and no tariffs. That didn't happen, so we ended down and are still falling.

fed controls (manipulates) the overnight rate, not the 10 year. the treasury market is global and bigger than the stonk market

no and financial twitter is making fun of that narrative
There's more risk to lend to the US because you never know what Trump's going to do volatility is up rates have to account for it

those spamming MIGA are predominantly shills, simple as.

This

Yes, I will continue to average down.

Weisenthal?

The bitcoin life rafts off the Keynesian ponzi ship

doesn't get much more dystopian than that

Why is your IP Chinese ?
Explain

The fucking weirdest thing is that ccc spreads are going up while people are also selling bonds
weird times guess a lot of businesses are going bankrupt

line goes up

OHHHHH N-

vix is high but ended lower around 46
things are leveling out and will continue to do so, but everyone wants to cry that the sky is falling just because we're changing things for the better and the good part isn't happening overnight.

you mother fuckers need some chill, I can't imagine the blood pressure of liberals trying to freak out over every fucking thing that doesn't even impact them.

don't you have a chair to pull out for Bibi, miganigger?

WE WON

it's the oyest of veys

ID says zesty 322

people

you mean the chinese central bank?

I mean financial twitter is often completely retarded so it is possible that China is just dumping to keep it above 4%, which is what I believe to be happening.
However I fully admit it does not preclude the possibility of it being Japan as well, in which case Trump just played chicken and showed his ass.

I’ve got $40k in cash ready to fleece boomers of their entire retirement

Wats ccc spread

that chart has nothing to do with the chinese central bank it's debt held by less creditworthy companies and it's going vertical. they can't make payments.

buy 10 oz of gold and a years supply of rice, beans, MREs

this

hurr the country that makes all of humanity's AI, space faring tech, hardware etc. is actually LE DUMBEST AND WE'RE THE SMART ONES

oof that's pretty crazy

he's not off the hook for being a retard doing retarded things, but it's been at least a few years of financial experts saying that this bubble has to burst sometime. line-goes-up does have a limit

no the part of finance twitter that know what they're talking about not the grifting idiots with 500k followers

cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y

It's been higher at least three times this year alone. This is fear mongering

Reposting again in case anyone missed it.

Some imaginary paper goes up in value

Oh my God we are collapsing

Lmao. Fuck off with this nonsense.

No it was no accident
They knew exactly what they were doing , extracting the last bit of wealth from the US treasury, preparing, accelerating the collapse.

noticed

I think because bonds that dont have that value are now not worth holding on to? If I understand correctly what point is trying to be poorly made because OP is either stupid or an elitist ass hole, this is bad for banks. This is what caused SVB or whatever to collapse recently. I'm a total laymen, but it's the only sense I can make of this "being bad."

It's happened before MigaCattle.

probably this reason and guy at top hates Chyna too

The point is when the stock market is going down people go towards treasuries as a safe store of value.

The stock market is down and treasuries are up it doesn't make sense.

the issue will be if the other brics countries starts dumping

This, the tariffs are going to force QE in the middle of a hike. The Fed will have to react to a liquidity crisis rather than sit in this wait and see bullshit.

no fed might have to hike into this. we're getting more inflation

Ok, but I couldn't vote for Abortiah and her sidekick, now could I?

so this is (corporate bonds - 10 year)?

It’s crazy I had to scroll so far to find the first right answer.

It’s a crazy play but it’s obvious that’s what’s happening. Idk how they expect to manage their currency.

yes it means both are essentially junk status at the moment without a clear offramp unless policy changes. extremely dire self inflicted damage.

Way ahead
Better buy fire arms and ammo while you can. Killing Jews and chinks with a hammer will get tiring.

There's no way back, our foundations are fucked

kys then faggot, you sound like a neurotic woman. you realize we've done this same shit in the past plenty of times? Jefferson fucking embargoed the entire planet, not just put what wouldve been historically normal tariffs on them. The end result was people being mad at him and domestic production going up, despite that not even being his goal. You people are the reason why propaganda continues to exist. Go get mk-ultra'd into a mass shooting or something. I prefer genuine schizophrenics who at the very least are anti globalhomo, unlike you, who sucks their cock and thinks the glory days of the u.s are exactly the last 10 years.

ccc is the worst grade of bond rate minutes 10 year rate

All Im sayin is, if we look at the facts we can easily prove the veracity of my previous statement

fact 1: propagandists try very hard to control online discourse and steer people away from Trump

fact 2: Anon Babble is impervious to propaganda from the left

Therefore, the only course of action available to the propagandist is to attack him from the right i.e. attack him for not being literally hitler (ironically the opposite of the propaganda they spread elsewhere online)
You may not be a shill, but you do their work.

trump will drive interest rates down! we'll refinance the debt! Anon Babble is always right! 4D chess!

interest rates set to go up to historical highs, and climbing

heh, we're showing the jew FED and the jew bankers how it's really done! get owned! patriots in control! 4D chess!

actually, tariffs are a strategy to make international trade fair! we were getting ripped off! get them to the negotiation table! 4D chess!

white house rejects 0% tariffs free trade deals

w-well, tariffs will bring manufacturing back home! more jobs! 4D chess!

picrel

what schizo ad hoc justification will MIGAtards make up next? can this place get anymore retarded?

The self inflicted damage has been going on for decades , this is just the end of the Jew theft banking system.

can this place get anymore retarded?

of course it can

it's really fucking weird how the worst grade corporate bonds of the shittier companies are suddenly getting panic sold but also quality treasury bonds are getting sold too.
What are they buying then?
Let's see what the ten year rate or thirty year rate is tomorrow.

This is not going to make it any easier for anyone to get a mortgage

Dumb migger bot. You need to update your script and stop posting that image. The Dow is at 37,645.59 now

i am fantasizing Trump toying with the Fed, throwing everything in the book at them to show them for the impotent bullshit scam artists they are and that they are totally irrelevant to the survival of this Nation. He will take bankruptcy and default out of their hands and restore this Republic to a sound money basis and then based Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie will pass the "Rescind the federal Reserve Act of 1913" bill

All this fucking barf of text for you for you to say "but Jefferson", it's not the 1700s anymore you fucking retard, you niggers truly are the dumbest fucking people on the planet

oh look duh line went down before

You fucking retards don't even know what the line itself represents, every time one of you mouthbreathing fucking idiots posts in this thread you reveal your own ignorance

you niggers will continue to post this image that was already considerably outdated 6 hours after it was initially posted when the stock market crashes to nothing. while calling everyone else propagandists, too.

He gon be doin dis but I gon be doin dat doh

It's one thing to take Trump at his every word and think he can accomplish every sing promise like a retsrd, but are your really reflecting on what that indian slut bitch had to say you absolute fucking vpn giga nigger?

This is happening because hedge funds are unwinding their basis trades. This is the precursor to a major fed rate cut or QE, and if Powell doesn't do it the hedge funds will implode.

dont care

This IS the plan

oh wow

attack him for not being literally hitler

If you're going to destroy my somewhat comfortable livelihood for your agenda, you better be Hitler. Trump is merely a retarded neoliberal stuck in the 1800's, yearning for a return of porky being able to abuse Americans working in the sweatshops

If people are investing in bonds they're not investing in companies. It's the same thing that turned a recession into the Great Depression.

now type that without crying

They knew exactly what they were doing , extracting the last bit of wealth from the US treasury, preparing, accelerating the collapse.

Pretty much. It suppressed rates and kept the stock market booming through the election. It's absolutely criminal and senators were screaming at Yellen about it last year
Once the collapse gets really underway, I guess you can watch us to see what they had planned for you if Kamala had won.

QE is a tool that is not used unless rates are at zero and they aren't at zero.
There's no fed cuts coming or else they'd be priced in... when the ten year rate shoots up like this it implies they'll have to hike.

You doom and gloom faggots are worthless. We can't keep kicking the can down the road. Our kids should be left with a better country.
This shit needed to happen 10 years ago.

so THIS is the new schizo ad hoc justification to the nonsesical bullshit MIGAtards call economic policy. yeah, this place sure can get infinitely more retarded.

Instead of hoovervilles, it's going to be trump towns.

In 1913 lol

rich people are hurting

Here let me update it for you delusional faggot

Something tells me the economists that work for Trump are smarter than most people here. Just sayin.

The yields going up is a false signal, what is actually happening is a liquidity crisis.

archive.is/93dld

Listen to this Jew nigger panic
You’re going down the bowl turd
Flush Flush !

white house rejects 0% tariffs free trade deals

To be fair on this one there are a lot of non-tariff barriers to trade as well. I can see those wanting be negotiated down too.

something something deflationary spiral something something lower prices something something make israel great again

zero edge

probably not they never get anything right
grift on clickbait mostly and about as right as kramer
they were telling you to buy stocks the whole way down, zh being bullish is always a bad sign

It’s the only way out

Nah, you lot only give a fuck about identity politics, after all. Why bother voting on unimportant issues, like the economy, global leadership, and maintaining alliances?

America is collapsing

No this is banks and funds scrambling to cover their liabilities. The ones that aren't fast enough are going to be on the news either declaring bankruptcy or getting bailouts. Sweet summer child the bottom isn't even visible yet. You might just get a chance to see the greatest financial crisis in living memory.

daily reminder that economicsfags never predict anything and are morons

Digits confirm, praise kek.

Wouldn't this be somewhat offset by western investors dumping stocks and moving into bonds? Or is it part of the strategy?

Navarro is fucking retarded but Bessent isn’t. I can only imagine how frustrated he is having to fight to get Trump to do the smart thing

The Chinese are deep into a liquidity crisis which is why Trump's stepping on their neck. Check out CNY. They're dumping their stock of Treasuries because they can get something for it.

he told china not to retaliate

Voting

You kikes control the voting machines.
Trump just got in by the skin of his teeth despite being the most popular president in history. It will all come out in the wash , you will all be killed.

bc economics isn't about predicting the future, it's about understanding the causes of what is currently happening.

someone is DUMPING bonds

Maybe but the rest of the world is going to go down with them lol.

Just the Jew banking system
Thank god

nah probably this
they need to hold on to those bonds because bonds give you interest and they're cut off from dollars

I’m not there yet. There’s not great bubble or outside factor (i.e. COVID) this time.

Pretty much. They just look at a few data points and start to extrapolate based on their preconceived notions. Economies are far to complex for anyone to actually be able to accurately predict anything. They can tell you what happened but never what will happen.

because that's the only way to make money during a recession/depression which the system is currently forecasting will last 1 or 2+ years

yes i've read not to hold banks next six months which is generally a bad sign most of the time

Trump is what you get when you people treat being stupid as a virtue.
MIGA proudly refuses to listen to 'experts' about things because the idea that someone could know more than they do, especially if they've studied for years in a subject, is considered threatening to them.

You mean aside from all the Americans who are saying it?

Utterly delusional

history is a flat circle and you reveal your own ignorance by thinking the march of progress is a real thing, that tariffs and mercantilism magically worked for a thousand plus years and magically within the last 60, they stopped. You cannot conceive of the past as being relevant to the present or the future, so you are doomed to be crushed when it repeats itself.

your counterarguement is to go

UHM, ITS CURRENT YEAR.

without a shred of irony. I can list off all the times tariffs have worked since then, if you'd like, but you wouldnt budge, so go look it up yourself. Alternatively, and call this me predicting your future based on your past like a crazy ignorant man would, you will continue to conflate the voice on tv with the voice in your head and not research anything for yourself, at all.

Better get your cash out of the bank
Remember banks now consider your bank accounts as “investments”.
And the FDIC has less than 1% of the money covered.

they aren't getting crushed
all the rates are going up

they need to hold on to those bonds because bonds give you interest and they're cut off from dollars

No, they need liquidity, and immediately. With yields like that they're selling 50 billion dollar clips at a discount and eating tremendous losses, but that's better than holding them into a financial crisis

He was right. China has a fuck load of their own problems and engaging in a trade war with the US might hurt them even worse than it’ll hurt America.

someone is DUMPING bonds

If it’s just China, it’s a problem in the short term but generally beneficial in the long term.
If it’s Japan and anyone else though…well it was nice knowing you lot

Stocks and bonds typically have this inverse correlation relationship. When one is up the other is down etc, you’re literally watching money move.

It’s why most portfolios have a split between the two, as a balancing act. Younger people start more stock heavy to capture market gains over decades and then the portfolio matures into more bonds heavy for stability and low risk as retirement looms.

This is why the whole “my dad is retiring and now his 401k is shit” meme is retarded. If you’re an older person you 1) had decades of time to profit off the market and 2) should be more in bonds now.

sounds like cope, military budge? haven't heard anything about that increasing, and there isn't a war the usa is in, this sounds like bullshit

You don't eat losses from bonds most bonds you just hold until maturity and collect interest
they're not stocks

While you're schizo rambling, the 30 year bonds are skyrocketing too, but muh mercantalism muh retarded rambling durrrr, post more fucking idiocy you fucking moron, and then kill yourself

What happened to those copeniggers who were saying this is what drumpfy is trying to get under control? Have they kys themselves?

Doesn’t trump want to get rid of Massie? Or is that just another clever stratagem?

You can scream that at the death squads that come for you and your family. Lol

The only econfag I ever knew was also a card carrying Mensa member. He also believed Trump was a Russia agent and was going to be perp walked out of the White House by Robert Mueller for colluding with Russia. He bought Russia-Gate hard.

The only thing that can save the American economy at this point is the impeachment and removal of Donald Trump

lmao, why is it worse if it's japan?

try googling military budget?

no one's dumping it could be the rate is going higher because people think there's going to be inflation.

You don't eat losses from bonds most bonds you just hold until maturity and collect interest

Jesus Christ anon, do you have some sort of disease that makes you say stuff you don't know anything about

China has a fuckload of problems, but the US is causing their own problems right now. All Trump had to do was literally fucking nothing and the US would be in a strong position. Instead, he's making the absolute dumbest most retarded moves possible and fucking the US up for decades.

I honestly think looking at stocks is fucking worthless atm. No one can predict anything because something like this hasn't been fucking tried. This is Trade World War 1 and people being 100% certain it will go one way or another is retarded.The world has never been able to in real time using the internet and their phones able to track the back and forth between countries like this so its leading to panic selling more. I do have slight hope in trump, he has defied all fucking odds for a decade straight now but we will see. I do like that we are fucking China though, lying about covid and essentially destroying the world economically in 2020 was on them, they deserve to get knocked down

faggot you have 17+ propagandaposts in this thread alone. you are desperate because all of your retarded narratives about the supposed strategies of this administration are getting smoked faster than you can spun new ones. it's not working, nigger. everyone can see the disaster unfolding before our own very eyes.

All Trump had to do was literally fucking nothing and the US would be in a strong position.

see

when the banks fail you will be on the streets staving to death

buy $TOPKEK
#RTTPOYMWDIHS

1 trillion dollars and still too few munitions to a month against anyone tougher than sand people.

you buy a 1-year treasury bill for $100 with a 1% yield, you expect to get $101 next year

next day yields jump to 4%, everyone else buys $100 with a 4% yield

wait until maturity, you have $101, everyone else has $104

you are now poor (all wealth is relative, the house you wanted to buy has increased in price closer to 4% than 1% over the course of that year)

you can of course sell before maturity on the secondary market, but that will lock in your $3 dollar loss immediately

i didn't find anything, it's obviously bullshit, it would need to increase by a huge percentage to have any effect on the bond market, something only a war could cause

Because if it’s just China then it can be chalked up to an adversarial nation utilizing one of their economic weapons against the US in a trade war.
If it’s Japan or any other major economic power then it means everyone is pulling their money out of the US for the forsesble future and then we’re cooked.

no one's dumping

I don’t care what your literally who Twitter account says you cannot convince me China isn’t dumping right now.

wait till this anon finds out whose money will be lost

Do it'll go green when a deal is made then to retard. You seem to not understand the market is emotional as shit and shifts on a dime. None of this matters.

kek the thread here from a few weeks ago that is circulating on X is right
they predicted this

On its own, not that big of a deal. Shitty, but not game-changing. Now, introduce tariffs, piss off allies, tank the stock market...

And doing it in such away that it will be decades before you can oppose immigration and such without being laughed out of the room - when in January the liberals were coping like Republicans after Romney lost.

At this point, it would be better if he'd been assassinated. He'd be better as a martyr.

no it predicted the opposite
rates are going up not down

The US was not in a strong position lol. I have reservations as to THIS being the best course of action but the economy was going to shart inevitably.

The drop on the right is bigger. What do you think you're proving?

This isn’t stocks, it’s bonds

Because if it’s just China then it can be chalked up to an adversarial nation utilizing one of their economic weapons against the US in a trade war.

If it’s Japan or any other major economic power then it means everyone is pulling their money out of the US for the forsesble future and then we’re cooked.

the price of a stock can change without any movement in the bid or ask you see this all the time when companies release earnings.
What's happening is rerating of inflation expectations

Looking at stocks is worthless because the investors are mainlining pure copium and still think Trump will reverse on tariffs. You are right, looking at them is worthless because it doesn't capture the raw reality of how absolutely FUCKED the American consumer is about to be.

I suspect the entire world's economy is a house of cards. Ours is pretty big so it will collapse in a spectacular fashion.

they predicted the exact opposite of this. they predicted that the rates would fall. they're actually gonna go up. really goes to show how little you niggers understand of what's actually going on.

Okay your posts are starting to glow

It’s the chinks
They are preparing for an actual hot war.
Xi position is tenuous if their economy collapses , he is going for broke.

>you buy a 1-year treasury bill for $100 with a 1% yield, you expect to get $101 next year

>next day yields jump to 4%, everyone else buys $100 with a 4% yield

>wait until maturity, you have $101, everyone else has $104

>you are now poor (all wealth is relative, the house you wanted to buy has increased in price closer to 4% than 1% over the course of that year)

you can of course sell before maturity on the secondary market, but that will lock in your $3 dollar loss immediately

bond traders and bond investors do not day trade bonds they match what the yield is for their expenditures like in insurance
bonds are not stocks you don't day trade them

thats china selling bonds btw

China has recently sold $50 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds, contributing to an increase in bond yields. This action follows heightened tensions due to President Trump's announcement of potential increased tariffs on Chinese imports if China does not lift its retaliatory tariffs. Discussions on social media speculate about the implications of China's actions on both the U.S. and Chinese economies, with opinions varying on the potential economic impacts.

defied all fucking odds

especially with how many businesses he ran into the ground by not understanding the business, kek

it's also a sort of talent to scam the next group into letting you lead anything after that, but not a business/government talent...

The US economy is the strongest in the world. They had the best recovery from Covid economics compared to all other countries. It wasn't perfect and rosy, no, but this is like trying to deal with a finger infection by lopping off your entire arm

oy vey my shekels, by poor sweet darling shekels

The sky is falling, we know Schlomostein. Cry more

searched for that
that was two days ago

is everyone on pol dumb

Trump is saving the whole world from the Jew octopus
Watch and learn

your comment isn't relevant at all. obviously I wrote out a hypothetical example how you lose money even if you wait until maturity. nothing you wrote disproves anything I wrote. and I'm not even sure what you wrote is right, i'm sure there are short term bond traders, but literally who cares

is it normal for rates to rise before they go down? like market battles going on?

not really since the yield is only going up because China is retaliating by dumping bonds. They can't do this for long

they didn't zoom out for one

LMFAO this. Then what is the fed is exposed as impotent and bankrupt by any reasonable accounting standards. Which they are

rich get richer

young people can barely afford rent

just keeps getting worse

Radical change is needed. The system has been failing for a long time.

Trump is saving the whole world from the Jew octopus

Watch and learn

Is this before or after he personally pulls out Netanyahu's chair and stuffs billions of dollars up Israel's ass and attacks the Yemenis because Giga-Jew told him to?

On its own, not that big of a deal. Shitty, but not game-changing.

And now I know you have no idea what you're talking about.
That's 25% of the entire national debt accumulated since the beginning of the US needing to be refi'd in one single year. At 4+% that makes debt service the #1 federal expenditure. That can't be done, that's instant death spiral. You can't tax that out of the economy and you can't print because that'll just cause inflation and, of course, the bond market will demand ever-higher rates to offset inflation through the term.

Now, introduce tariffs, piss off allies, tank the stock market...

Tanking the stock market is the only thing you can do. You need money out of stocks and into bonds, because demand is what lower yields. A 10% global tariff will produce revenue which reduces the requirement for borrowing which will lower yields. As we're seeing this week, everyone who's friendly is already negotiating free trade deals, which will be bad for their domestic industry but not nearly as bad as heavy tariffs.

what do you think happens? rates go up and banks rush to dump them or rate go down a little and banks rush to buy them?
they go in the long term portfolio
if you wanted to you could just google this question

Then what is the fed is exposed as impotent and bankrupt by any reasonable accounting standards

The Fed is made up entirely by people who couldn't get a job at a real bank. They can scare retail and that's about it

Shut the fuck up you dumb fucKing jew.
The US is Buried in 36 trillion in debt and counting and the average American is now further away from being able to afford things that were taken for granted by every previous generation.
The choices are to call in the worlds Debt to us or continue to pile on the debt until there is no future for us

The jews bought out trump like they bought churchill.

We've been talking about an everything bubble for 5+ years. The outside factor that triggered revaluation of the entire US market is tariffs between 25-100% on imports and exports. The bubble is bursting. People are finding out that these companies only function when they can use factories in Vietnam that pay their employees 2$ a day. A massive number of domestic business is also going to be destroyed because small and medium size employers can't weather a change like this. We're witnessing in real time over the matter of a few days a contraction of our market. It will take a few months to figure out how much it really is going to cost us.

Even FDIC banks?

It's a bubble anyway.

You know that every time there's a recession, the middle- and lower-class come out of it worse off, right?

But please tell me how increasing the cost of common goods via tariffs helps the poor

paying our own war industry a few bill to keep Iran under wraps, charging isarel a tariff for it (that he says he wont lift) and making them give us land that they died for for nothing in return is somehow NOT in the us's favor

you mean thatcher

btw if this continues you happen you can buy $PFIX it's the inverse of bonds so if bonds continue to tank PFIX goes up a lot
might help some people

There are three types of shills here right now CCP , Jew globalist and Jew globalist useful idiots
You’re a CCP nigger
Your world is going bye bye yellow nigger .

By forcing businesses to move back to the US that we can / want here and to get equal trading agreements for everything else. Try to keep up.

No. You expect treasury yields to drop along with the market because investors move from the more turbulent stock market to safer bonds.
That doesn’t appear to be happening. That either means that some foreign actors (namely China) are dumping to artificially increase the yield as a market manipulation tactic, which is what I believe, OR people are just pulling out entirely and moving their money outside of the US, OR you have this anon’s theory that it’s being adjusted based on expected inflation (aka it’s about to fly out of control).

The middle class has been shrinking for decades.

Hopefully GME so I can retire

People are finding out that these companies only function when they can use factories in Vietnam that pay their employees 2$ a day.

That seems like something that was inevitable. We've been living a lie for a while. It's not sustainable.

All I’m hearing is that people who participate in the stock market will lose money and I just don’t see how this effects me personally.

Does this get me closer to communism? I'm thinking based

it's not flying out of control I didn't say that it's just being adjusted upwards it is going up fast but it's not out of control which would be like turkey's interest rates

And they follow the market they don't lead it. 5 minutes on FRED will prove that to anyone who cares to look

QE

It was higher a year ago kek with a sub .90 dxy. Nigger

What has the status quo done to help anyone except you sucking cunts?

Maybe. I think that’s what’s happening too but there are other viable answers to that as well.

Americans think it's okay for them to hit others.
If they get hit, they scream and cry.

Churchill too, he was a fat, bankrupt drunk bought for loyalty.

This. Thread is kill within 1 hour too whew lad

they'll move anywhere but the US man, they know they just need to last 2-4 years and everything will be same. Hell they'd barely start constructing the factories at that time

It probably doesn't matter. There's enough red it retards and idiots on here that'll just buy stocks on robinhood when the jews sell them tomorrow or whatever

My apologies I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.

You say all of this, but ignore the fact that Trump is planning to raise the deficit even more, raise the DoD budget, and bond yields are currently spiking.

You need money out of stocks and into bonds, because demand is what lower yields

Oh yeah, cool, how's that been working for you?

A 10% global tariff will produce revenue which reduces the requirement for borrowing which will lower yields

True, but let's just call it what it is: it's a tax on American working class. It's the billionaires stuffing shit down the average man's throat so they can keep eating cake.

whoever comes after trump will maintain his course. Its the US's only chance of not becoming china 2.0. If it wasnt trump someone on the left would have done this as well

QE is only done with zero % interest rates

More cuts and qe

Oof

Yeah, like that midwit nerd Powell comes out and does his little speeches and the institutions who finance governments to the tune of trillions are supposed to care
Like how Japan's funds rate is 0.5% but their 2Y bond hasn't been that low since November. The bank can say that's the floor but if you can get a risk-free bond from the government for a higher rate, that's the actual rate

How is he wrong
t. Retard

This is always the chink and Jew shill fall back position
Trumps a JEW !
Trump has and always will put America first. Jews second.

How long until we see Patriot Bonds being marketed towards the MAGA crowd?

The problem with this thinking is that it assumes these tariffs are here to stay long term. If a Democrat wins (which is a distinct possibility depending on how this situation resolves) then these tariffs are gone. If a Republican wins then there’s still a great chance the tariffs are gone.
Why reshore when you can just wait it out and go back to cheap Vietnamese labor?

see the disaster unfolding

its only a disaster for anyone wed to the status quo. Trump is literally pulling the founding principles of the USA back from the void where they went in 1913.. and the only people in dismay are the ones who put us here.. They will be dismayed but we will prosper. Oh and the one world government will fuck off into oblivion for a thousand years

this isnt something either the left or the right would do, this is pure retardation

US imports 13.b from Israel

20% or whatever the fuck tariffs on Israel are very cool

Thank you for 2.6b, now here's 12b free of charge for just being really good guys

Yes we will defend you against Iran. 200b more to our already bloated military that we're terrified to actually use! :D

Eternally cucked retard

I doubt that. Even Bernie sold out.

So the number in OP represents the amount that the Treasury is having to offer for people as a return to get them lend to them? As opposed to representing the amount people are willing to pay for a bond with the same payout in 10 years time?
If money is leaving the stock market and going into bonds then why would the Treasury have to offer a larger return? Or is that not what is happening?

Biden did not revoke Trumps changes for a reason. The same will happen here. This is the best course of action and trump already took the heat for it.

Is Trump going to do anything about the Federal Reserve?

Uhhhh yeah, about that....

it's a tax on American working class.

This bullshit again?
If taxes only hurt the middle class then knock them down to 0.

B-but not like that!

where does 90% of the money go again? Oh yea, back to our own war industry / R&D. We pay ourselves to fuck over the middle east, charge isarel for the privilege, and take the land they died for for nothing in return. But keep up your propaganda chink

bond yields are currently spiking.

Bond yields are spiking because China is in a full-on liquidity crisis and is dumping US Treasuries in $50 billion dollar clips. That is a huge amount of supply hitting the market at any price they can get for it. When there's a desperate seller, buyers can demand higher yields from the government

True, but let's just call it what it is: it's a tax on American working class. It's the billionaires stuffing shit down the average man's throat so they can keep eating cake.

Then Trump is being an absolute godsend to the working classes of Europe, Japan etc who were all cruelly tariffing American exports to keep their populations poor and were very angry for some reason at the demand that they remove those tariffs
OR what you're being told isn't true

lmao the funniest thing about the last 8 years has been seeing "liberals" turn into Bush Republicans on every economic issue

Why do you write like an ESL shill? Post outlet.

The FDIC has funds to cover less than 1% of losses
Buy ins coming
Next banks calling in mortgages they are losing money on.
Believe it.

Against China, I lean towards agreeing. The tariffs against everyone else border on absurd unless they manage to get some great concession out of them all which is debatable at best.

Yup. Once the loss of confidence in inflation control sets in they can put the overnight rate at whatever low fantasy they want and QE, banks will just go chase anything else making inflation worse

this. This is a sign of China collapsing more than anything.

False dilemma

Straw man

Of course. This board is filled with shills. I don't take anything on here seriously anymore. I just laugh at their impotent sub-human failing as they lose over, and over, and over. It's pathetic. They literally seem to believe they're taking the country over by shilling on Anon Babble. Lol.

Oh I completely agree it all had to come down at some point. The fed balance sheet has ballooned to phenomenal levels to prop this market up. I just hoped that there was anybody competent in charge and we'd be able to unwind slowly, but tariffs are really bad in the short-medium term. Not that those greedy pigs would ever unwind it so maybe this is the way it had to be.

China is collapsing. They pulled the whole covid mess to try to prevent it, but now that Trump's back in, China is done.

Did you have to fly out of Australia and back to Israel? Whats with the meme flag?

Then Trump is being an absolute godsend to the working classes of Europe, Japan etc who were all cruelly tariffing American exports

Oh, these countries had blanket tariffs on all imports from the US, did they? Because that sounds like a disingenuous and false equivalence to me.

Shut up jap or we’ll nuke you again

He will sign the law rescinding the Federal Reserve Act when it passes. There will have to be no reason to preserve it because most of congress are corrupted , bribed or blackmailed and owned by those trying to bankrupt us.

some people day trade bonds
I don't think banks or insurance companies or big countries day trade bonds they buy in blocks and keep them

no China is starved for dollars and they'll keep all their bonds. It's killing the golden goose.
where are you getting these takes from

the idea that you slap a 104% tariff on a country and they collapse is not realistic

HOLY FUCKING SHIT NOT MY HECKIN TEN-YEARINOS DUDE
Just get to all-out nuclear war already everyone is sick of this clown-show. The white man will emerge from the radioactive dust and rule again.

See how the "Ignore" circle is wider the "Panic" circle? What can you deduce from that?
Retard.

You can't incel lol

B-but only tariff taxes get passed to consumers! Domestic corporations would never pass their taxes on!!

Just shut the fuck up you lying kike piece of shit

How is he wrong

Bonds are bought at a face value + "coupon" aka the interest the instrument will bear at maturity. Let's say you're China and you bought a billion dollars of 10Y bonds at 1.5% which was the yield at the time. Now you need to sell them with 6 years remaining
Well, investors can get 4.4% yield on a 10Y right now, so why would they pay you full value in order to earn 1/3 of the yield? You have to discount the value of your bond to match the difference, and more to account for demand
The math is a little complicated but it'd work out to about a 15% haircut, or $150,000,000, less the yield already collected so probably $100 million.

I don't see it. Some controversial policies not by himself alone, some budgets most people thought were good and didn't really come crashing down.

Surely not an economic genius but he doesn't seem to have messed up anywhere near a fraction of Thatcher.

But they'll only be back if they can actually pass on costs to the US customers. They also don't want to produce in the USA for export as their inputs cost more unless they're entirely cheaply made in the USA which is unlikely to be the case for almost any finished product. It's either not cheap because of the USA or not cheap because of tariffs on their imported inputs.

This is all to bring in cbdc you fucking idiot, it's exactly what Jews have been wet dreaming about since samson and deliliah

Domestic corporations will happily subsidize American consumers

Heck! They'll just give away their products for FREE

Capitalists don't actually care about profit :o)

You are the biggest dumbest gorilla retard in the whole migazoo

sounded like a bone he threw Israel because Massie introduced the dual loyalty bill and outed the fact every sitting congressman has an AIPAC handler.

good are worth what we say they are worth when we make and sell them domestically. In turn we create jobs and increase wages / participation. We can not continue to outsource everything, period.

This

it was 4.8% just 3 months ago, i didnt hear any doomsday shit then

Lemme see that shaved hiroshibussy before the thread dies nip. You all have one

Oh, these countries had blanket tariffs on all imports from the US, did they? Because that sounds like a disingenuous and false equivalence to me.

No, they had specific tariffs on specific exports from the US where those exports would compete with their domestic industries. Weird how they thought they were protecting those industries from foreign competition when clearly, as all you useful idiots are now bleating, tariffs are really a tax on working people lol

no China is starved for dollars and they'll keep all their bonds. It's killing the golden goose.

Anon they are dumping Treasuries right now. For dollars.
Why are you arguing about these things when you don't understand literally the most basic concepts involved, or even what is actually happening

Thankies

I think a little bit of all the above.

Trump might be Europe's number 1 guy. Trying to make Americans as broke as Europoors without any of the perks.

Why are you arguing about these things when you don't understand literally the most basic concepts involved, or even what is actually happening

Oh he knows, he's just a chink shill

This is a personal assessment of mine but I do think the Trump admin believes that war with China is inevitable and imminent.
I am not swayed by shills trying to convince me that China is very implessive and are totally not freaking the fuck out right now either.
Maybe they decided that however bad it hurt the US to do this China would eat shit just as hard to kneecap their war making ability, or even prevent it all together. Risky fucking play if so.

Taxes are either paid by the consumer or not
You can't have it both ways
Either tariffs AND corporate taxes should be zero or shut your lying fucking mouth.
Now answer the question, did your jew government move you out of australia?

Dude no they aren't
they are cut off from dollars. the interest they get from bonds are infinitely more valuable and they have to keep it and sell anything else off if they need to sell things.

The status quo wasn't being threatened then.

Weird how they thought they were protecting those industries from foreign competition when clearly, as all you useful idiots are now bleating, tariffs are really a tax on working people lol

Weird how you claim that blanket tariffs are the same as extremely specific and targetted protectionist tariffs. Weird how you ignore the fact that Trump's tariffs are based on a trade imbalance of goods, rather than actual tariffs.

No you
You’re CCP
I can’t see your IP but I can smell you’re stench

$10 billion bond sale

y DXY no go up

Anon how many dollars are circulating

Taxes can be paid from profits, you fucking retard. Taxing on income is not the same as taxing the sale of products. Holy shit you have a child's understanding of economics.

Honestly, as a China hawk, Trump 1 completely blackpilled me on it.

It would have been better to cede Asian hegemony to China and just dick around in Europe and the Middle East than start a trade war and threaten a hot war with China, while being utterly unprepared for either.

You wrote this

Yeah, thanks to Yellen not locking in 0% rates for decades

what do you think happens to banks if you chuck them full of 0% bonds and then jack up the rates to 5%
jfc where are you getting these ideas from

you're stench

Go back to grammar school, Manpreet.

We see a massive uptick in rates but DXY doesn't move?

The only silver lining is that China really isn’t that prepared either, despite what their propaganda arm has tried to tell anyone who’ll listen.

They are reciprocal chink

So which is the tax they wont pass on to consumers?

Weird how you claim that blanket tariffs are the same as extremely specific and targetted protectionist tariffs

And yet the solution Trump proposed is very simple, end those protectionist tariffs and trade free both ways. Why should Europe impose a 50% tariff on American liquor? Are they afraid Europeans will switch en masse to bourbon?
It's a negotiating tactic to end protectionist tariffs in rich countries. Christ I would hate to see you buying a car

well the salesman said he's got a guy willing to pay full price so I guess I'd better pay up

the UK blanket vat tax is a tariff
That's an additional 20% on top of the tariff they already charge
Tell me again about targeted tariffs

you didn't answer my question
massive selling of bonds to buy dollars but $DXY falls anyways?

you sure you know anything?

You are huffing copium if you genuinely believe that China is hurt more than the US, especially after Xi popped their bubbles a few years ago.

You actually believe corporations just pay taxes and don't calculate that into their costs? LMFAO you are at obviously a filthy fucking jew

We see a massive uptick in rates but DXY doesn't move?

Yes, anon. There's more than 2 trillion USD circulating, more if you count various weird instruments, plus options ofc
A country selling $10 billion in one clip is a big deal, that's a good percentage of a healthy US Treasury auction. That's a big deal in the bond market
$10 billion in the $2T currency market is nothing. A ticker like DXY which measures the relative strength of USD vs a basket of other national currencies from countries that are all going through liquidity issues is even more meaningless

Ching Chong Plays Ping Pong With His Tiny Ding Dong.
Hows that Chang

China is losing its biggest export market that can never be replaced
We Might actually see china implode into oblivion

95%+ of everything china makes is fucking garbage.
It should be way, way cheaper, and it will be, or it will become irrelevant.

Whites are going to rise. The subhumans will be slaughtered

$10 billion of bonds in one clip

Fixed

I complete disagree. China will be going down as hard as the US is.

He could be a chiNk, he usually posts with an Australia flag but tonight he has his meme flag on. Maybe he had to go back to ching Chang land

You need to pop the Zits on Xis butthole
Get on that Whang

Much much worse

oh 100x worse.

actually $DXY is moving but dollar is weakening my point was wrong I said it wasn't moving

generally rates and dollar go hand in hand no or will you contest this

The tax on profits because you literally can't pass a tax on profits to consumers, you fucking idiot.

Wrong, because the VAT applies to ALL products, including locally made ones. That's literally not a tariff. It arguably hurts working class as much as a blanket 20% tariff, though, yes. But it doesn't advantage domestic manufacturing over international. You literally have no idea what you're talking about

Yeah bro they totally cant raise their price to mitigate the impact of the higher tax.

Please tell me how you can safeguard against a tax on PROFITS, retard. Any additional charges you add to your product will cause your profits to either go DOWN or UP. In one case, you haven't profited. In the other case, if there's room to raise prices and not lose profits, companies would've done it already.

I think you're so stupid that you literally don't think you know the difference between taxing profits and taxing gross income lmao

generally rates and dollar go hand in hand no or will you contest this

Related but the size of the markets/liquidity are different. A rush into bonds will slap yields way harder than it'll raise DXY, just because there's more liquid USD circulating than Treasuries for sale
It's why China dumping 11-figure clips is spiking yields. That is a lot of bonds hitting a market all at once to a fairly small group of buyers. But a $10 billion buy of USD is not much. Lots more dollars, lots more buyers and sellers of dollars at every scale and size, whereas there's only a few people and institutions looking to buy a billion dollars of discounted long-dated US Treasury bonds

B-but you can't pass taxes on to consumers!!!

LMFAO you disingenuous lying jew faggots
What happened to your Aussie flag?

It arguably hurts working class as much as a blanket 20% tariff, though, yes.

VATs are amazing man, literally a direct tax on poor people
The richer you are, the smaller the percentage of your income that gets spent on consumption. The less you're able to afford it, the harder VAT hits you

Shut up know nothing chink
Your just pulling shit out of your ass
Your knowledge of world economics is jr college level at best lol
You just don’t make an effective shill.

It is because they DO NOT charge it if that product is exported.
Anything made in the uk and sold in the us isn't charged the vat. That's an extra universal tariff

fairly small group of buyers

for treasuries? that's a huge and deep liquid pool.
I don't think that's what's going on here.
we'll find out though when we get the monthly report

He won’t understand what your saying

An elementary school example:

Raise price

Fewer people buy your product

Demand goes down

You make 1b instead of 2b

The 1b you make will still be taxed at 10%

After taxes, you only make 900m profit

Whereas you could've made 1.8b profit if you hadn't raised prices

Good plan

You raise prices to increase your margin. You make more profit but pay a higher tax and end up back where you started.

that's a huge and deep liquid pool.

Not when it's that size, it isn't. And they're also the most mercenary motherfuckers in the world. If Xi is desperate to sell Treasuries for whatever he can get, Bessent has to offer a lot higher yield to offset the sudden supply, at a time when he's already having to conduct historically massive auctions thanks to Yellen

perhaps we should at least wait until it breaks its recent high before making such claims

So what? That's irrelevant. The point is that tariffs are protectionist. They can't be protectionist if they're applied equally to locally made products, as a VAT.

You literally don't know the difference between your and you're. You're a schizo idiot. Your opinion means nothing.

Yeah that’s why I’m not in full blown panic mode just yet.

Exactly my point. So there's no benefit for it at best. At worst, you lose money as consumers move their purchasing to competitors. You can't evade tax on profits -- unless you're a company like Amazon who simply reinvest all profits into the company, but they end up having to pay eventually anyway

Sir are you aware of where you are

im not getting a backfill for the shitter on my team that i just fired last week because my company is freezing hiring until they know whats going on
think like that but bigger