Why can't Australia acquire nuclear weaponized subs like America and the UK when they're part of AUKUS...

Sounds like bullshit.

He talking about the weapons, not the power.
We've got shitloads of uranium, one reactor, could build others easily, with the US clearly getting ready to betray all allies it has defence pacts with we'd be fools not to build them as a response to China's sabre rattling.

You will be mocked like Ukrainians.

Dont worry after the China conquest they will get nuclear subs with nukes

Oh. No we're not betraying anyone, you're just all gonna pay us (fairly) which you can afford to do.

As far as nuclear proliferation, we have enough nukes for everyone. Those nuclear subs we gave you are for didgeridoo sneak-attacks.

We already buy droves of your military surplus at premium prices and take some of the lowest amounts of foreign aid from the US while fighting basically every war for you since Vietnam with little benefit. All while you mine major resources here and use pine gap for critical surveillance. And this has basically put a target on us for just being adjacent to you. Idk what else you expect from an "ally" but it seems trump just repeats the lie that you're being ripped off and cultists believe it.

Those French subs that American (((military advisors))) embedded in the Australian navy had us cancel the deal on were nuclear powered but they paid a shit ton of money to have them redesigned for diesel electric propulsion and then officially cancelled because uhh, ackchually we need nooclear. They could have been half built by now even if we had to get the reactors from France but instead we're overpaying for ancient American shit that will never actually get built. The latest is that Trump admin wants us to still pay for them but also supply them a base and they'll operate the subs for us. I can't even tell if that's a joke or not.

Honestly the best we can probably do is take advantage of Trump's emotional instability to build up our own forces as much as possible, which might have been unfeasible under a more realist American administration. Given the upcoming election is about culture war bullshit and the domestic cost of living I doubt it though

Dumb woke politicians.
Ask a wokie and they'll tell you

-Its wrong to be white
-Its wrong to be straight
-Its wrong to protect your land

Don't take it personally. It's mostly Europe and Asia who have been jewing us. Enjoy the subs.

mfw Bruce was the greatest ally all along

I wish Trump was half as disrespectful to Israel as he's been to other nations

Canadians keep saying the same thing, funny enough. Fact is, life is easier when we're the one with the gun and none of your nations really want that responsibility. We are having a little trade dispute, that's all.

Yeah, they dropped all their tariffs.

They will get nukes with subs

Ftfy

Who is us? Australia isn’t about us it’s about i and me.

Canada is much closer to you and basically will never be invaded by a nation outside the Americas, so the circumstances are a little different. I doubt relationships with the US will turn entirely hostile but the Asia Pacific is a powder keg waiting to happen and we lose nothing by being more self reliant. The political will is weak though, for now

I think you're right. I don't think other Australians agree with you.

I wish yarmulke wearing faggot was disrespectful to other yarmulke wearing faggots.

Grow up, be realistic.
That's not how kike nepotism works.

Agreed.

Canada is much closer to you and basically will never be invaded by a nation outside the Americas

It’s already being invaded by India and it’s being turned into a Chinese colony/foothold on our border, which is unacceptable to us.

Checked

This guy gets it.

Australians will do what they are told and pretend that it was their own idea all along. That's how things work here. If you want stalwart and reliable allies in this neck of the woods then putting a leash on you know who might be a smart move. If the divergence of US policy from rational strategic thought increases much more in regards to that then it's not such a sure thing as it used to be.

I know, anon. I know.

AUKUS brothers unite!
ANNING/LOWE/MASSIE 2028

It should be but tech faggots like Mumbai Musk wanted your STEM replaced by low quality jeet retards for $$$ who seem to have a nepotistic stranglehold

AUKUS brothers unite!

Australia renounces nuclear weapons, we will never acquire weapons of mass destruction like that, only poofs have them.

Sorry for cancelling our sub deal Pierre we were not aware you had time traveling knowledge from De Gaulle on how retarded America would become.

Nukes are a good deterrent to invasion. MAD isn't much to worry about. It'd mostly roast chinks in Melbourne and Sydney anyway

Then you will always be second rate and subservient to the great powers.

You should personally be hanged for lies like this, you have been encouraged to militarize as a nation for decades. God help you, for man cannot, and good riddance.

Well, Germany wasn't so kind as to build ours for us like they did for you guys.

the swedes make decent diesel boats, buy a few from them
if I were in charge I'd give my aussie bros all the free nukes they wanted but alas i'm not in charge

How does it feel being even more arrogant and useless than some of the Eurotrash?

strategic ambiguity. nice.

dont listen to this retard

We have militarized, notably so relative to our size. That's different from being self-reliant, or modernized, or going from nuclear latent to nuclear armed. But you assume we're sovereign enough for people acting in the national interest to make these decisions in the first place.

we should cut our losses and ditch the aukus deal, we can build our own shit from scratch. we should also close pine gap.

You pretend it is rebellion and not what is asked of you. This is the lie that is worthy of death.

Nuance? In my Anon Babble?

Submarine warfare is a game of smoke and mirrors so it's anybody's guess as to what the status of a fleet is at any given time. I would definitely consider Swedish boats as being the best option. I think we also hold the nuclear proxy for the UK so their Polaris boats fall under RAN command if shtf.
Feels good man.
You don't understand how Empires work.

YOU don't understand how THIS empire works, you fucking peasant. Australia and other allies have been asked to militarize for as long as I have lived, and bitched and moaned about it the whole time. Now you pretend it is rebellion.
Every continued purveyor of this defamatory filth should be flayed to the bone and have their rib cages chiseled and hacked apart while they still live.

If you're the ruler of the Empire it falls upon you to ensure that your vassal states are able to prosecute their operational requirements and that they remain in an ideological paradigm that is permissive to this arrangement. Are you too cheap for an Empire? Is it too hard for babby? money printer only works at the jewish casino and not in the real world?

Not as easy as they said it would be, is it?

Why can't Australia acquire nuclear weaponized subs like America and the UK when they're part of AUKUS?

If Australia had nukes then Indonesia would want nukes. If if Indonesia had nukes, then Thailand and Vietnam and the Philippines would want nukes. Before long, Singapore, Malaysia, even Bhutan, Myanmar and Bangladesh would want nukes.

The state I live in has banned nuclear to the extent you can't even prospect or mine uranium. Let alone have a power plant or refine nuclear grade isotopes.

Australia is still a colonial government, it has modern trappings, but it doesn’t have real autonomy at all.
This is a big part of it, their entire economy is based on extracting the resources to send them elsewhere and gambling, not stock market gambling like here I the states, but actual casinos. There’s otherwise no real economy in the country and the populace has very little rights compared to what the rest of the west is used to. Australia is one of the most fantastic white cultures in the world, in my opinion, some amazing artists and minds and people came from that big ass island and they deserve far more than they have today, but this is the consequence of never rebelling against the dead empire. Canada has a lot of similar problems without the extreme isolation.

Come, come you wayward and unable worm.

fwiw the average american never wanted an "empire"
there are some countries that matter to us more than others, and by "us" I mean the ever-shrinking euro-american population.
i personally would put Australia in that category but some chicano from Mejico probably doesn't care. might not even know where Australia is desu.
i'd go to the mat for nippon, aussieland, maybe a handful of others.
most of those countries hate the chinks and have more to fear from them than they do aussies and yet they still don't have nukes (that we know about)

most of those countries hate the chinks and have more to fear from them than they do aussies and yet they still don't have nukes (that we know about)

It's mostly about Indonesia, they can be a bit funny about Australia at times. Once Indonesia gets nukes then it's more about how other SEA countries feel about Indonesia, and also about the likelihood of others in the region getting nukes before they do.

The issue is they don't make strategic sense. What we need is a modern fleet of efficient and quiet diesel subs, like the swedish ones but probably with more range. Not a handful of nuclear ones.

The only hope we have to hold off a Chinese invasion is to harrass supply lines well enough that it becomes too costly to maintain an invasion. Taking advantage of the choke points in SEA or PNG. Having a handful of nuclear submarines that are too expensive to risk is the worst strategic choice for our situation.

Leave it to the pollies to make political decisions that make no strategic sense, as is typical with all our military funding decisions.

Which they can't sustainably afford or indigenously produce, rendering them vassals to those who can. You can put the word independence on any flag or charter you like but existential prerogatives devalue the concept pretty quickly.

fwiw the average american never wanted an "empire"

I think it's simply something that occurs over time in this instance as much as it is deliberate. Where there is power there is co-operation and interdependence such that you might end up with an Empire whether you want one or not. Given the inherently unstable nature of democratic governance it creates a very unusual sort of hybridisation of pseudo-independent interests, moral obligations, economic considerations etc. It's all very inefficient.

And Malaysia and Singapore. Indonesia is nearby but reliant on sponsors the same as we are.

to hold off a Chinese invasion

It's not really a conceivable strategic threat unless they mount it from our immediate north.

It's not really a conceivable strategic threat unless they mount it from our immediate north.

The concept of a chinese invasion is a logistical nightmare for China and im not really expecting one anytime soon. They either need to invade from the west and north and stretch themselves across the entire continent, or manage simultaneous invasions of the west and east. Its a nightmare, but in theory, working on a multi decade timeline, it could become a reality. The only thing that could help us in terms of the sheer amount of strength difference between us and them, is to harrass supply lines with subs. If they did land, we cant fight them forever on land if they are well supplied. They have more men and equipment. Even if we went assymetrical, it would be a bloodbath.

We don't need useless faggots, you will be cast off if you insist on being of no use. You are also all far more capable of militarizing than you will admit, if not in the submarine department.
We would rather see your nations wither than continue to be dependent, whiny, and useless. Be genuinely useful and grow a fucking spine (Poland, Japan, South Korea, for instance) die, or fuck off.
Only options. This is not a negotiation, this is a realignment.

but in theory, working on a multi decade timeline, it could become a reality

If anybody was capable of orchestrating a feat of that magnitude, they would deserve to win.

Ok, bye.

Good fucking riddance, chinky boy.

Infiltration by chinese spies. Also much smaller population and less geopolitical influence and thus need for them. Besides, conventional subs are quieter generally and much more relevant to regional patrols.

That's funny, Pierre, because the crux of the dud deal between us was that you couldn't either. The scandal was that the PM at the time decided to OVERPAY you frogs for some bullshit reason. As in the US contractors that brokered the deal.

We've got shitloads of uranium, one reactor, could build others easily

we can't refine uranium, we can't legally or easily build reactors, and we have nowhere to store the spent uranium outside of the facility using it.

Which they can't sustainably afford or indigenously produce, rendering them vassals to those who can.

It just means China or India or NK or Pakistan shows up and says hey, Indonesia, Australia has nukes now, you want some too? Australia can't sustainably afford or indigenously produce nukes either...

chinks are so paranoid and have that pathological "gotta be numba won" thing going on I doubt they'd ever proliferate nukes to anyone