Wtf

Lying Nigger

Arizona was never going to work because chip fabs need millions of gallons of fresh water daily, something Arizona doesn't fucking have because it's a god-damned desert.

Orange Man is threatening Taiwan openly. What a shame.

Wrong. It takes around five years to build a chip factory and even then it can be lessened. We need more chips to be made in America

they have a choice of chinese ass raping or a US face fuck, either way they're getting fucked

THIS. We should never even start this shit, it's too late. Just let china do it all.

Btw, natural disasters in Taiwan are very much capable of disrupting the microchip industry npr.org/2024/04/03/1242564161/taiwan-earthquake-semiconductor-chips-tech

I made a lot of money on Micron the last time this happened

Well, economic nationalism had a good run, we really tried bringing it back. But it didn’t work out, in fact, it seems we might have made what some call “a mistake”

No, sorry. That building up of a factory never actually lead anywhere: techinasia.com/news/tsmc-faces-delays-arizona-chip-plant

The problem with the semiconductor supply chain is, that at every of the hundreds of steps there is only one producer of the half finished good, who has only one specialist supplier and only one customer.
For example:
only one company in south carolina (IRC) makes the silicon in sufficient purity (Sibelco)
only one company in the netherlands makes the lithography machines (ASML)
only one company in germany makes the light sources for these machines (Siemens)
only one company in germany makes the mirrors for these machines (Zeiss)
only one company in Japan makes the photoreactive solutions for the lithography process (Tokyo Ohka Kogyo)
...
And the list goes on.

High end products like the cutting edge semiconductors cannot be made by a single country.
The supply chains are just too complex.
They have become globally distributed because it requires a vast array of specialized skills, materials, and technologies that no single country (or company) can efficiently provide alone.
From microchips to pharmaceuticals, production relies on international collaboration to access the best expertise, cheapest inputs, and economies of scale.
Trying to recreate every step of a supply chain domestically would be slow, inefficient, and prohibitively expensive.
Think of it like this: a village of 100 people can’t support a theater, a pizzeria, and a bank all at once - not because the villagers don’t want them, but because there simply aren’t enough people to staff, supply, and sustain them all.

I am just giving it to you straight. See the url in

High end products like the cutting edge semiconductors cannot be made by a single country.

WRONG. Taiwan makes at least 63% of all the world’s microchips and at least 90% of advanced microchips (such as ai chips). Why do you think the NPR article I gave gave said that a natural disaster in Taiwan halted production of microchips? American used to be the largest exporter of microchips.

In reality their first plant in Arizona begine production shortly and is sold out years in advance

tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/tsmcs-arizona-chip-fab-production-is-sold-out-through-late-2027

His goals would only be possible if he was a literal communist dictator. Whatever he's doing won't work out

America produced nearly 40% of the world's chips in 1990

finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-wants-the-us-to-make-20-of-all-high-end-chips-by-end-of-the-decade-182847439.html

Build Back Better.

You little cocksucker...

this, we just need to import more browns and be content with ordering everything from china forever

That is not what I am saying. The US should reshore some production.
And you where on a good path with NAFTA and had a really nice thing goinmg with your massive high quality service exports.
All it needed was a rebalancing of you fiscal system and getting the wealth inequality under controll.
But now trump burned it all down for absolutely no reason at all and I am afraid it will end like Argentina did under peron: the worst ECONOMIC aspects of communism and facism combined.

I'm saying factories are bad. They increase pollution and just create more billionaires. Let them exist in China, we don't need any here.

Taiwan makes at least 63% of all the world’s microchip

Sorry, that is false.
Almost all of the low end chips, 50nm and such, the ones that go into washing machines actually are from China.
And Taiwan produces hardly any of the inputs for chip manufacture in any meaningful quantity.

Get ready for the highest amount of brown newcomers you've ever seen in your life. Oh and you'll train ranjeet your replacement or no severance for you wagie

What? I find that very hard to believe.
Are you sure they are not just repackaging chips from Taiwan there with "made in USA"? (BMW does that)
Where did they even get the personell that quickly? It takes like half a career to get specialists suited for that kind of work.

Yes, actually, they do produce that many microchips
wired.com/story/taiwan-makes-the-majority-of-the-worlds-computer-chips-now-its-running-out-of-electricity/

And TSMC is preparing to make 1nm microchips
fanaticalfuturist.com/2024/01/tsmc-says-it-expects-to-produce-1nm-trillion-transistor-chips-by-2030/

While it is true that China does produce a significant amount of microchips, it is nowhere near the amount produced by Taiwan
If China blockades Taiwan in the event of a war, there goes the world’s main source of microchips

Look achmed, I want you to look up the main CPUs used for the f14, then look into how intel distilled it 6 years later, then i want you to look up how holds the patent on semiconductors/microconductors. After that look up what economy of scale is and what America does best. COPE all you want.

China will still sell them to us. Besides, americans are too dumb and lazy to do jobs like that.

Trump cut the funding for that shit like a retard LMAO

Because building a lith pant that requires a sgit load of water in the desert is a good idea? Sorry nigger, the DEI factory is over and the best YOU are getting is mcshart for 12/hr until McRobo comes out to replace you.

China, when war starts between it and America, will still sell its products there

?
TSMC spent $100 billion dollars of its own money investing in America (including building at least 5 facilities)
reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-tout-investment-plans-2025-03-03/

Theres a great article called "dei killed the chips act" or something like that which explains why despite billions being offered to taiwan, they silently abandoned their manufacturing venture in the US.

The Tom's hardware article you gave me just talks about plans to start building up fab and packaging modules in arizona.
Sorry, it does not look as if anything is actually there beisdes promises.

The wired article is about energy shortage and mentions the quoted 90% only in passing.

And that TSM prepares to produce 1nm node chips (for who exactly is not stated) is nice, but the article gives no info where those will be produced.

You just googled that, didn't you?

meant for

Bold

Righteous, even...also BASED

F14? That is like me bragging about the V-2 rocket.

Bold economic theories require unpopular implementations.

This is about as bold as when Mugaba seized white farms.

He wants them to build those advanced sub 3nm nodes in US, which TSMC declined before.

Taiwan, most specifically TSMC, has a very specific expertise in manufacturing, at scale, at comparatively lower marginal cost, the finalized product.

They're not fully integrated, they depend on a global supply chain where each country is able to add (and profit from) some value.

Focusing on Taiwan because that's the end of the chain is completely retarded.
By moving those factories to the US, you're making them less efficient and more expensive, and you still rely on a global supply chain.

Well put, Anon. That's the point I am trying to make.

The article attributes any delays to regulatory issues, not supply chain issues. We haven't stopped trading entirely (yet).

If Trump guts the Taiwanese chip industry, the ethnic Chinese engineers working there are not going to move to California to get shanked by crack-addicted niggers during their lunch breaks, they will just cross the sea and go work in the mainland (they already do by the way).

Yeah, to be honest they should have built it near the great lakes, it'd really help up around there, not gonna disagree with that

I blame the fact the retarded military is everywhere in those states and has too much political power though, at lwast that's my honest guess, they were assassinating different people recently in those industries who were going to China for "trade deals" so the US military was just having a spaz moment about China and semiconductors while having that stuff in Taiwan

Though he could've kept the funding, doing tariffs with no industrial subsidizing is retarded if u wanna "bring back jobs" and "protect manufacturing", these companies are paying themselves but it doesn't really bring an incentive when building in the US seems increasingly not worth it

I dont mind the tariffs, I do mind our President rubbing salt in the wound though. Why is he making all of these comments and telling the media what goes on in negotiations?

Yes, they said that. But I don't buy it. These are just excuses.
Someone who worked in semiconductors told me he regrets taking this career. Even with an phd in engineering the pay is shit, because as an employee you don't have any options to chose an employer.
So you just deal with it for 15 years until you know enough company secrets that you can to put a gun tothe companies head and demand better pay.

The point I am trying to make is: It takes so much time just to get the fab workers trained up, no matter the regulatory hurdles. see

Fun fact: they're already building a factory in the US (does Trump know?)

based

spectrum.ieee.org/tsmc-arizona

In late October 2024, the company announced that yields at the Arizona plant were 4 percent higher than those at plants in Taiwan

The current fab is capable of operating at the 4-nanometer node, the process used to make Nvidia’s most advanced GPUs. A second fab, set to be operational in 2028, plans to offer 2- or 3-nm-node processes.

These are all ASML EUV machines and capable of 1.4nm, TSMC chooses where to make each wafer based on logistics.

Anon, first off: I want to see that fab to succeed. The semiconductor industry are in dire need of diversification.

But "4% higher yield" does not mean they actually are producing anything. That only means the TSMC engineers and the makers of the machines (probably ASML) cailbrated them an said they are 4% better than the ones back in Taiwan.
The article claims workers are being trained in Taiwan, and about future plans.
I find it very hard to find any actual information about their progress and actual production anywhere.

TLDR: Even if everything goes just splendidly reaching production will take much longer than everybody thinks.

Building up a chip foundry takes 8-10 years.

Then I guess we better get the fuck started

We're going to make our country great again.

don't care, I buy intel

Epstein's pedo ring existed specifically because of this. It's running again under new people specifically for this.
It's all blackmail manufacturing against world leaders and bussinessmen so Israel can keep the money laundering scheme going. And Bibi has Trump by the balls more than any other leader.
Do you have any idea how much money the US government will gain from these tariffs? Insane amounts, while the effect of them will only be felt by the consumer and small bussineses.
And if you think those money will be used to help america instead of being sent to Israel, lol lmao.

they paid his legal fees. he's broke. the swamp drained him. they own him like peter thiel owns hulk hogan.

So MIGA was never a meme after all.

Bro they make intel's chips, they make everybody's chips except china's new shit

8-10 years

No it doesn't, with chink labor maybe. It will take 2 years at most here.

And how long does it take to make a 30 year old engineer to maintain the factory?