YO I JUST WOKE UP WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. DO YOU GUYS REALIZE HOW FUCKING BAD THIS IS.
US BONDS ARE DYING
Eli5 what's a bond
Well so much for lowering the treasury yield
we can go higher
I’m officially freaking out. This is going to be 3x worse than the Great Depression. I’m a CPA.
Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing, the only one that does is Bessent and it’s Navarro/Lutnick running the show instead
YO
YOURE A RETARDED SHAREBLUE COMMIE CUNT
YOOOO! BROOOO!
Government says gimme some money and I'll give you x amount more back at this date. No volatility other than if you beat inflation.
Tell us 1 post by this id kike oh wait you wont
you got that jew pussy, huh? nah'w mean?
nothing ever happens
Government debt
Bonds are basically the government (or some other official organization) taking loans from people at a good interest rate with the promise that they'll pay back the initial amount completely after a period of time.
Classic case of usury
line go up
isn’t this what you faggots are obsessed with, line go up?
Ah see this is where you are wrong.
It just means its going to be a BIG fucking war.
CHYNA
Money is exiting the united states. Bonds are getting devalued bigly in realtime as we shitpost on this thread.
consumers will not have enough credit to buy higher priced goods... from the imminent tariffs...
this is a disaster.
Can't the govt just print more money why do they need to borrow your money?
I’m CPA.
The China selloff? They're heaps mad so they're probably doing something like that.
I love you yankbros. I'm sorry for the thing that's about to happen.
Literally the Trussification of America holy shit
To get liquidity without inflation
kikes losing money is bad
Sure kike
Chinks are dumping their bonds in retaliation
once it gets above 4.8% then it will be time to be concerned. But it is lower than it was in January of this year
Go ahead brother, enjoy the ride. Don't shoot the messenger.
There will most definitely be job loss because of this, that means ordinary people.
China had the trump card all along. Years of sitting on US debt, and they have finally come calling now that Trump has put 104% tariffs on them.
As long as kikes are punished its worth it. This is what we wanted.
china meet jewish money printer
yeah we'll see how long the trend lasts i guess
We're gonna see armies of young men plundering towns if SHTF.
It really depends on who is buying the bonds here. None of this matters unless the Feds announce interest rate hikes though. Bond yield going up that much just means a couple of groups are wanting something more stable that will earn them money. They either expect rates to drop, making the bonds more lucrative since they got them at a higher rate, or they expect inflation to soar, making their investment in the bonds inflation resistant. At the end of the day it doesn't mean anything to the common people, it's just rich people moving their money around to stay rich
Guess who's going to war with us?
These are shots fired.
Its only going to escalate from here.
bros, i thought trump was intentionally crashing the market to refinance the debt with lower interest rates? bros?
It’s hard to imagine they would because their dumping their bonds would really drastically inflate the price of their exports.
anyone else secretly excited at the prospect of total global economic collapse?
Bros kikes are losing money this is good bros
dont care
John Titor was right.
The time was wrong.
global
They aren’t going down with us, money is FLEEING the US market, they no longer view the US as being the safest place to invest
Why'd you post then, migger?
It really depends on who is buying the bonds here.
thats nobody. thats why yields are going up. trump has threatened to stop paying debts so the bonds are currently worthless.
the "yield" is a function of the worthlessness. the promise of money back later has to increase proportional to the chance of getting any money back at all decreasing.
once you have a retard president talking about defaulting on debt suddenly nobody wants to buy your bonds which isnt suprising
guys I'm holding nothing but cash now....
is this bad?
im scared
Why are you mad that kikes are losing money?
pray tell, where is all of this money leaving the US market going to be invested in?
Lutnik was involved with 9/11
We are about to default too
Be greedy when others are fearful ;)
What do you mean? It's you that will be sent to Ukraine while muslims continue to take over the UK in your absence.
We are about to default too
No way in fucking hell.
That would be worse than 1929, dont even joke about that. That is cataclysmic.
There's weird things going on in China. Trump was the last thing they needed, it turns out that a lot of high ranking military have escape plans that were discovered.
Unless you are a NEET parasite(probably the case), EVERYONE is about to lose money.
Neets win again
Answer my question kike
Save your breath. They'll come up with some 5D Shogi cope right up until the point they get laid off.
If narcissistic losers long for the sweatshops so much, they should have just been sent to Vietnam.
we're going to nuke everyone you stupid motherfucker. don't you see where this is heading?
i know ptg niggers haven't settled on a new rationalization or excuse yet so i'll just get ahead of them and call you a tranny now
I just did, Migger.
Don't care that shit is so fucking fake and gay and what builds arrogance in fat fucks that never built anything
Bonds are basically IOUs you can buy from the government. These IOUs stretch over a length of time, from 1 year to 30 years. So say you give the government $100 for a 10 year bond, the government will pay you back, with interest, over 10 years. In this case, the government will pay you back 4.50% interest of your $100 every year over 10 years, so $4.50 every year for 10 years.
Bonds are considered extremely safe investments because it's the government, of course they can pay you back. If they can't... well, then everyone is fucked.
Where it gets complicated is how both other countries and banks can buy your bonds. This is important for banks because it gives them a safe, steady investment for their cash, and allows them to estimate the interest they have to charge on their loans to keep ahead of inflation. If the US is giving back 4.5% on bonds, then the bank might say we should charge 5% to keep ahead of the 4.5% the government is giving back. For countries it gives both parties an economic stake in each other.
What OP posted is a graph of the 10 year bond in the US market spiking. It basically means the government has to pay people more for what they already have. This means inflation. Ideally, banks and people would buy into these bonds... but if they don't then the interest on everything just spikes.
Bonds give the government liquid cash they can use immediately on whatever. Say paying social security or building roads or buying tanks. A government could print more money, but then that devalues the money already on the market. If you have more of a thing, the less valuable that thing is. Print too much money and you get inflation, where the worth of your dollar becomes less, which is what happened under Trump in 2020 with the stimmy checks and PPP loans.
at least you're not going to have unisex bathrooms in the nigger infested windswept shitcrater you call a "country", seb. always gotta look on the bright side, ay?
NEETs will be the worst hit because the gubmint gibs are OVER
Im getting tired of all this fake and gay economy shit.
Man you faggots are obsessed with war, most sadistic people ever find
Yeah. Parasites (neets and boomers) on fixed incomes are going to get fucking hosed.
You did not kike
I BELIEVE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHATEVER POINT YOU WERE PRETENDING TO MAKE
When you control the money printer, getting money doesn't make you richer. What makes you richer is other people having less money.
IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t Trump’s administration hasn’t considered that, especially Bessent and Miran
Trump may be bumbling his way towards destruction with the end goal being a force majeure and defaulting on all treasury obligations. It isn't like someone can come to collect. Nobody will ever lend to the US again, but who cares. Wipe international debt, declare a debt jubilee domestically, go full isolationist/protectionist and ... like the hat says MAGA.
Don’t cash out
Bro what the fuck is going on..
Fake and gay money, fake and gay problems. Is there a single country on earth that backs its currency via gold, instead of debt-backed fiat trash?
Why would you ever let an adversary buy your bonds in the first place?
Yield curve inverted.
Same thing that happened in the UK after we let this scarecrow retard do her thing.
think of bonds as "stock in the government" and everyone starts selling.
this is the second alarmist thread i've seen about this. it's not that big of a deal, fucking faggot
We are going to China soon. I'm going to have a Chinese CCP warbride.
LOWER THE RATES OR DIE FED
Or manufacture your essential goods for that matter.
The whole modern system is a goddamn shitfest, and it's about damn time it come crashing down. I shouldn't have to worry about my damn insulin because it's made in some foreign country. I need this shit to survive and some assholes half a world away in Europe make it, not us? WHAT THE FUCK?
Stupid bullshit,
i sold every stock bro and put it in a savings this morning
It really hasn't changed at all.
Should have bought bonds.
Exactly. What a joke. We’re living the Tower of Babel story.
Plus that it works like good money unto its own, the government sells them to banks and the FED also helps them have a market for those, your pension fund and even your ass on a computer can buy those from the banks and sell them back to those or other people hence why they have a market, it's liquid fiat money on demand and sound money for everything else, can be used as bank loan collaterals as in for leverage in trading.
If people buy 1000$ of debt for 5% interest rate and various reasons the value of that bond goes to 900$ on the market, you're still getting 5% interest on the 1000$ so essentially you pocket the difference, meaning their effective - from your pov - interest rate can be higher or lower on the open market and hence why they PUT a lot of pressure of the government to issue more competitive debt all the time or not do it anymore. For America, this is not a problem because they're the reserve currency of the world, which means they're always a cheap debt pressure for them with all the globe shilling for that so that it stays stable. en.wikipedia.org
Niggers are actually going to be the worst hit by the redstate retaliation tariffs kek. Thanks canada thanks Europe that's awesome
Reminds me of how Europe tried to prevent war through complex series of treaties which eventually resulted in WW1. We’ve done the same with our global trade system. In both bases, trying to delay the inevitable only makes things worse in the end.
Bonds give the government liquid cash they can use immediately on whatever. Say paying social security or building roads or buying tanks. A government could print more money, but then that devalues the money already on the market.
When a government spends a deficit, it has already credited those reserves. The money is already there.
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Right, except there are trillions of dollars of American assets in other nations, owned by American corporations and citizens, which would almost certainly be seized.
Banks are the best buyers for those because they don't need any money in deposits (big banks have some limits but they don't buy lots of those to even gap those, small ones have an endless printer, only their stupidity can ruin them) they just write a number in their ledger on their double entry bookkeeping without caring, then they balance it out with trades from other people or banks, usually it works in their favor (profit), that's why they play the governmetn debt game. As it happens, all these numbers are real money in the economy, like ordinary government debt is also real money in the economy. Debt is money.
Actually from both the analysis of banks and investment analysts at large government DEBT is very safe and that's why they prefer it, they see it as a hedge, this is why people like BUffet sell into those instead of keeping deposits in banks when he needs to be liquid or when he has FEARS about the market.
Trump in 2020 with the stimmy checks and PPP loans
It was the billions and billions for Ukraine and Israel. The American people getting a one-time payment at a fraction of the cost of weekly Pentagon gayops is not what caused inflation. You're a conservative faggot.
isnt higher interest rate good. If i buy a bond today then i will recieve more money in 10 years?
Bond, James Bond
almost certainly be seized
Didn't you see OP? Buy 10 year bonds!
It means there’s less demand, US has to offer higher yield to find buyers.
They probably have faith that they can control their economy through planned mechanisms, but they sold out completely and their system is much as an unstable beast as ours. They got successful by imitating us
this line bad, at least according to """""(((Economist)))""""""
Yes.
Yes, but the reason why that's happening is the problem. If a bond is sold for $100 with the promise that it will pay out $110, but the price of the bond falls from $100 because people are selling, the percentage yield must therefore increase to maintain the $110 payout guarantee.
Bond yields rising is symptomatic that more people are dumping bonds than are purchasing bonds, which is indicative that confidence in government bonds is decreasing.
Alright, now that American hegemony is officially dead, what foreign bond should I invest in, and don't say North Korea.
Chinks are dumping their bonds in retaliation
This is the correct answer, the trade war has just been escalated
just stating the facts jack
buy spam instead of stocks faggot
This might unironically be the one time that commodity loons are correct. Physically holding gold or silver is probably the 'safest' option.
Bonds work in reverse..the higher the interest rate, the less the market has confidence in the issuing government to honour its deal.
Or money printer go brrrr.
Good luck explaining this shit to the uninterested.
“waddaya mean bond interest rates going up is bad, up is good”
But why bother? The government can always afford to pay. The national debt is not anywhere near the problem some people seem to think it is.
Bonds were considerably higher in January, you penniless faggot. Why are you pretending to know anything about investments?
Won't this result in a crash in high tech manufacturing? Which in turn will fuck with the price of gold?
It was a good run gringos, one of the best even.
Stop
Cool it with the anti-semitism, bro.
You don't have any gold, silver, bonds or stock. Why give advice?
A bond disruption can mean only one thing...
Someone asked me how bonds work. I explained why this is not a good sign. Take your meds.
It might have an effect but only about 6% of yearly worldwide gold mining ends up in electronics, and if electronics started to be squeezed that hard for access to gold, you'd probably see governments stepping in and forcing jewellers and whatnot to go to the back of the line.
Nothing ever happens. Two days ago you faggots were screeching about Orange Monday.
It’ll level off at worst and drop a little at best eventually.
Gross
Please understand. You are dealing with shills. They will double down and triple down no matter how stupid it makes them look.
Gold is a hedge against turmoil in the market. Gold will only grow stronger, that and stuff like cars and equipment. Everything speculative will go tits up, especially real estate and stocks. Get ready for shit to hit the fan.
I bet Trump backs down before it gets too crazy. Watch. He’ll claim total victory and the market will shoot back up to new highs and bond yields will drop.
The Fed is always good to keep the bond yields low.
This. Buy the panic dips.
Bonds were higher in January but stocks weren't down 20% you fucking retard.
Stocks are higher than they were in 2008 yet it didn't matter then. You are a retard.
its a big deal to market kikes and (((speculation)))(gambling) kikes who are losing money bigly
This doesn't matter to me at all, because I was going to be working poor for the rest of my life no matter what I do.
rich niggerfaggots and politicians getting fucked
OOPS
Just go back to sleep
turns out the tariff scare was barely a dip
"look, bonds are changing! Orange man bad!!!"
Kek, who gives a shit? Just let it end.
The market is full of hot air and it is not a good representative of the strength of the economy. Markets became untethered from economic strength when Bush first began the bail out, probably even back as far as 9/11 if you really think about it.
It’s a fucking clown show. The Fed keeps the music playing. Who the fuck is buying bonds right now besides the Fed?
The biggest problem with their economy is more than half of their market cap is still tied up in uninhabited ghost cities that are already falling over as they play hot potato with the property titles.
The developers got their money and folded, and right now chinese banks and real estate holding companies are juggling everything around between each other hoping not to be the one holding the bags when their market eventually collapses out from under them(along with their uninhabited and unmaintained ghost cities)
Do you know who holds more debt than China?
Japan.
And they can skullfuck the USA thanks to the yct too.
In this moment, I realise I fear the samurai.
Trump did graduate from an Ivy League university with an economics degree.
And even the guys that you mention say that their methods are speculative and that it'll result in inflation, pain and suffering in short to medium term but hopefully it'll transition into a century of American supremacy like after Brenton Woods.
No they don't. They began stock buybacks already to try and curb the red. They also forced several companies to keep the supply chain in China as they considered leaving. These are Chinese smacked companies so the government can force things since they have over 50% ownership.
CUT MY LIFE IN TO PIECES
There's little to question it happening. Most countries are already trying to get a deal going. China walking the pain trail alone is whatever. Labor isn't as cheap as it ocne was there. Any Asian country can be used. They don't have the power they once had.
graduate from an Ivy League university with an economics degree
lmao this means literally nothing
and it was all to defraud the whites of america and europe
chinese goods should be practically free, but the markup is split between the chink and kike elite.
But what's the real problem here? The parasite trash being parasite trash, or the people feeding them like fucking retards?
Most whites are absolutely retarded niggercattle and deserve to die.
They are the real cause of all of this.
They are supposed to be better but they're incapable.
They are being converted from aryan to subhuman and the pieces of their humanity that are shaved off are feasted on by the subhuman elite.
This is a dire situation and we need to cut the shit.
The solution is simple and in reach - slaughter the subhuman "whites".
Collapse society and the true whites will survive chaos and seize the world.
Everything is fake and gay.
Yet everyone here loves to play Chicken Little and keeps screaming about the next imminent disaster.
Two more weeks, guys! I super cereal this time!
Why are libtards in Canada so stupid and cannot maintain economy? Why do people have to lose money because of libtards pure Incompetence
More likely hedge fund and big trading firms liquidating to cover margin calls, due to stocks tanking. China alone won't cause such a dramatic rise in yields.
Usually when stocks tank, bond yield go DOWN, as money flee into bonds. Now both stock and bond is tanking, something is fucked in the financial system.
I don't even recall you being tariffed.
I better take people on an anonymous image board as more legit then.
hedge funds are a 2008 meme, no one cares about them all they do is skim off the top of the assets they manage with their fees and perform worse than the s&p 500. the treasury market is much much larger than all these outdated hedge funds
don't know don't care
if shit's actually going tits up and things take to the streets, its the young with nothing to lose vs. some addled boomers and rich people
concern level: zero
DO YOU GUYS REALIZE HOW FUCKING BAD THIS IS.
Bullshit.
SEIZE the fucking Collateral from these goddamn Hedge Funds
CLOSE OUT all of their Futures positions.
Jew cocksuckers got 50 to fucking 1 leverage from the Primary Dealers (thus exposing the Dealers themselves to risk).
CLOSE OUT THEIR GODDAMN POSITIONS AND SEIZE THEIR FUCKING COLLATERAL AND MARGIN
China is dumping, bonds aren’t selling, so higher rates offered. We are heading for a financial showdown
To be fair, American supremacy via the dollar happened because Bretton Woods was so stupid and inelastic that people had to use all the tricks in the books and popularize them, which led to this international ledger system.
But what it needs is supra-governmental regulations and so on to make it work for people; otherwise, it's just suffering, trade wars, terror, etc.
Stocks are down 1% from April 8, 2024.
We could always take their military away again. Cowboys and samurais didn't work out too well for them last time they played.
Isn't this worse than a trade deficit?
Nixon did good killing it. But it was too late.
you realize there were bonds at 12 percent as recently as the 1980s?, 1981 had a 15.32 percent and 1982 had 14.59. There were 7 years in a row where the peak yield for the 10 year was over 10%.
this kicked the shit out of inflation and kept asset prices low and affordable
these people are allowed to vote
it's so over for the US lmao
and perform worse than the S&P 500
The average yearly return of an endowment fund is the same as the average yearly return of a hedge fund: 10.3% (kept up for years around that number)
im a big picture kind of guy.
Literally none of this effects me.
the amount of total debt increases every year you know that right?
It doesn't stay constant
We're months behind and Trump of all people doesn't give a shit rn
uhh but the line is going up? line go up = good?
you are the kind of person i was refering to here that has got to be a top 10 dumbest post ever
Debt to whom?
Could just be the deficit is bigger and rates go up and bond buyers are not getting scammed the way they did in 2022
now correct the returns for the risk taken in those portfolios. anyone can beat the s&p 500 if they take more risk and they get lucky, but no one can consistently outperform the s&p 500 for the same amount of risk.
The House of Saud is tied to the US government in this way. The Salomon Brothers (Tower 7) arranged the deal. They could sell their oil if they bought massive amounts of US treasury bonds. Huge sin against Islam.
Bond holders, pension funds, savings account, basically everyone's money.
Guess what happens to the deficit when you have to fund more debt at an even higher rate?
Guys:
THIS IS SOROS AGENT BESSENT directly attacking the Chinese YUAN.
This cocksucker was Soros' pointman for the 1992 attack on the British Pound.
This cocksucker was Soros' pointman for the 2013 attack on the Japanese Yen
Guess what happens to the deficit when you have to fund more debt at an even higher rate?
brinksmanship all over the place everywhere
doge was supposed to cut the deficit guess it mostly failed and elon got kicked out
Deficits are not a big deal. The US selling bonds at all to "cover" them is a self-imposed constraint.
Guess what happens to the deficit when you have to fund more debt at an even higher rate?
I think that you meant to say what happens to the Public Debt when the Cost of Borrowing is higher.
Moot point anyway.
For the first time in nearly 80 years, the congress will be forced to permit the NYFRB to buy New Treasury issuance DIRECTLY from the Treasury.
MONETIZATION
REAL money printing.
Just my guess, unless Massie can stop it, and demand an END to the FED.
US has been able to get away with it but all the other countries when they blow out their deficit the rate goes up
theguardian.com
Do you realize how little this affects me or how little I care about the stonk market?
Funny watching you leftoid sѳygoys suddenly care about the plutocrats' well being though.
but in this case, the person who buys the bond is the usurer, not the government
I'm literally holding nothing but bonds. I have 80,000 dollars in ultra short duration bonds. as long as we grab a seat when the music stops, it's fine. Remember that nothing ever happens
when the company you work at goes bust you will care
when you lose your home you will care
when your wife leaves you you will care
when your dad has to come out of retirement cause trump nuked his 401k you will care
At UPenn, where they apparently had a super pro-tariff guy (Henry Carey) as required reading
its part of the plan
the great rest
the weak will die, the stronk will thrive
Investors don't believe that US is able to pay back the loans. Thats why there is higher yield.
This is exactly what Trump wanted to achieve by destroing stocks and creating massive wave of incoming inflation with tarrifs. Looks like it's working. Trust the plan.
The House of Saud is responsible for caretaking the holiest sites in Islam: Makkah and Madinah.
Even if the US government allowed me to leave the country to make Hajj (they won't), an obligation of my religion, the House of Saud is known for executing Shias and especially dissidents.
I am a Shia and criticize them for turning their backs on Palestine, people like me are prone to being imprisoned and executed by their government. I wish they would uphold their religion, break the shackles of the zionist Jews, and join the Jihad against the zionist Jews in Palestine.
It was a massive risk for Sayyid Khamenei to launch missiles on the zionists in Palestine as they fear retaliation from their "greatest ally" (blackmailed puppet) the US government and military.
a future tax
i mean stupid question
but why not just do high interest savings account?
Guess they didn't thi k we could do it 2021 to 2024 as it went from 2.3% to 4%. You people are dumb as fuck.
So? The shift is so small in comparison. It doesn't matter.
the amount of effort to refute bs is just so draining
in short a 1% rate increase hits harder if you have 50 trillion in total debt than if you only had 5 trillion in debt
National debt in 1980 : $908 billions
National debt in 2025 : $37 trillions
Which fig is bigger? $908B @10% or $37T @4.40%? $90.8B or $1,628B?
single
live with parents
wage slave at walmart
management like me so I'd probably be one of the last to go
parents are living off social security
It's my time to shine.
didn't thi k we could do it 2021 to 2024
Yes, you were downgraded in 2023
Odds of the US defaulting have also risen due to Trump's world trade war, because less imports equals less dollars in foreign hands equals less demand for US gov debt
But this short term move is not that, it's this In 1980, that gov debt was barely 30% of GDP, and private debt levels are far higher too now. That's another coping migger
Maybe you should be more worried about yourself since your country's index tanked 12%. Enjoy the bread lines I guess?
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Bianco has a good thread up
thanks to you retarded fucks
US eggs are still $7 btw (and it's the cheapest they'll be in the next 4 years lmao)
Utter nonsense. The US isn't going to default for a while the debt is the 3rd highest expense of our budget. Any day now though.... Lmao.
Nah, I'm just chilling out.
Yeah you're welcome. Enjoy cuss ei sure don't care about you being a poor fuck. I'll give you a hint though if everything falls apart we will be the battered person on top of your wreckage of countries. The last to fall apart as yi ufal lto ruins. So good luck!
Nothing you just said is even remotely true.
Actually $5 a dozen at walmart.
Will they impose a tariff on eggs?
Because you can make more in bonds, treasuries, money market, etc. Not even CDs can compare to some of these funds.
We already have them.
the debt is the 3rd highest expense of our budget
Already more than Defense, and unlike the others, it's set to rise and rise quickly
US isn't going to default
Didn't day it did, I said the odds have risen, and credit rating reflects that fact. You're a barely literate retard
I hope anybody that supported this is dragged out into the street and savagely beaten
Supports what?
US eggs are still $7
Lol no they're not. My grocery store was full of eggs on sale earlier this week. If you want to buy the fancy organic free range eggs from the local farm, then maybe it's 7 dollars
i use fidelity too. never bought a bond though....
you buying for highest yield (1 year)?
what happens when it matures? do they deposit yield in account or ...?
also can you sell before it matures?
THIS
4.8% brings concern
why is that?
It's because of China.
you're a parasite that serves the middleman class that ruined this country
I just shut down my business since I deal in metals across the border. I got out and made some profit. Now I buy "stuff" and take other peoples "stuff"
thinks a 0.165% move is a lot. Yeah fuck off retard.
bonds are dying
chart has uptrend
Wat i am missin?
Do not believe rumors, fellow American.
odds have risen
Mhmm do tell what your odds are at?
Explain for the retards on the back, Please
Use the mutual funds with bonds as the main allocation. I don't chose any fund other than ultra short term and short term. Never anything more than 3.5 years and nothing with a risk rating higher than 3 or 4 stars out of 10. Bonds are the safest positions besides money market. That said quantitative easing is bad for bonds. They didn't perform well during 2022 for this reason. However all funds focusing on short term and ultra short term have performed very well on the 10 year. The people who FUDed out in 2022 because of the poor performance missed out on the significant gains starting in 2023. It is the same now, people are going to FUD out and sell everything, but ultimately they will miss out on strong future gains. This also happened after the covid crash. Those who panic sold right after the crash made the worst financial descion of the decade because the market skyrocketed not long after.
not a cfa
public accountant
Meh
The chart shows bond yields, which move inversely to bond prices.
the interest should go down as the demand would rise during a normal
economic slump, the world no longer trusts US debt and it is not done by china but death by a thousand cuts as I understand the thread anons linked
i'm no expert and may have this wrong butit sounds like the machines have decided to flee to safe ground.
former safe ground in the US is suddenly quicksand due to the Trump effect
Trump is losing on the economy, he is a loser, his ideas are weak
The rats are Jumping ship?
this is very upsetting
i will have to break down and sell my dildo collection
some are used, some aren't
depends on the customer which will get top dollar
In the 1980s, the federal government didn't have $37t of debt. You can't have 10% anymore without total financial collapse.
the computer AI rats. the software is moving in their clients capital into safe havens. the way i'm interpreting this anyway
b-b-bro it's actually crashing wtf bro
how could drumpf do this
w-why are you laughing anon?
I'm laughing because this is fucking hilarious, and exactly what I voted for.
No crying on the casino floor
ZOOM OUT RETARD
refinancing at 10% would mean a default I think? napkin math and amateur opinion
debt servicing would be 50%+ of the budget
its about the trend, this should not show up given crude prices
It's not a rumor, both china and japan are having to sell bonds to inject liquidity into their markets and are also trying to keep their currencies deflated.
Debt doesn't matter much if there is no serious contender against the dollar. The debt REALLY matters if corporations lose faith in the US dollar in favor of another currency. And if you think anyone has more faith in the Ruble or the Renminbi, you may have brain damage
i'm not crying. i'm in clown world awe. there's no turning back now.
If the federal government defaults on its debt, the dollar will be one of the worst currencies in the world.
It's funny. We tried to save the dummies from themselves. But they will hurt all of us. It's the only way some of them will learn. But most will never admit they were wrong and will always come up with some BS reason to protect their ego from the cold reality that they are retarded. Which is kind of funny/ironic because that's what they call everyone else.
the government paying you tuesday for a hamburger today (plus tip)
the tip gets higher when fewer goyim want to take the offer (because they don't believe the government will in fact pay them Tuesday, so make it worth my while)
You could probably pull it off once.
it's already been done twice
white america is that good at ruling the world
No. Debt is the foundation of US hegemony. The US relies on faith in the dollar so that it can borrow massive amounts of money and effectively get things for free. You've been using the world like a credit card and now you can't pay back what you owe. Granted, the bailiffs probably won't be coming round but don't expect to be buying anything any time soon. Also everyone you owe money to (so basically everyone) is going to go into a recession. Forget the Renminbi, The Turkish Lira will be a "contender" to the US dollar if you default.
can't pay back what you owe
ummm no sweetie we print more than enough federal reserve notes :)
The cost of debt repayment is currently about even to the total GDP of the US. If interest rates spike, you will owe more than you have and printing more money will not change that. No one's asking you to print more money, that would just mean that the dollars that you do have would be worth even less. There is nothing you can do in the moment, this is reckoning lmao.
wait, so buying bonds mean you are giving real money to the federal gov to fund itself, therefore making it print less money and causing less inflation?
I thought taxes funded the government. If the budget is balanced, whats the point of the bond market
Yields are rising
Kek, mutts are fucked
we're taking you with us
I don't know. Your jewish government is too complicated for my commie gook brain to comprehend.
Not all the way down, China is a ready-made alternative while EU manufacturing stands at about $6 trillion to US $2 trillion.
Retard here, does it mean I should sell all my USD?
That's what happens when you don't trust the plan hard enough.
You already buy all your crap from China. As if you were holding back from buying from them. The well is tapped
Your taxes are used to pay back the interest on the bonds.
Also your numbers are off. If you're comparing it to gdp, they're roughly equal at just under 3 trillion
Im curious why are people buying the james bonds now though? If the money they get back will be worth a lot less?
I don't understand how this means you are "taking us down with you" to the levels to which you are about to sink lol. Yes, we were never all that reliant on you in the first place and now we have the perfect opportunity to pivot entirely to the far more stable power with a real industrial base, who also isn't going to randomly tariff us or borrow huge sums of money that it won't ever pay back.
or borrow huge sums of money that it won't ever pay back
Not so sure about that one.
You were reliant on selling to us. We're less reliant on exports, so you are more exposed. Who is going to buy the Euro goods now?
In 2023, the US sold around $1.6 trillion worth of manufactured goods. In the same year the EU sold roughly 3x that at $6.4 trillion.
nothing ever happens
No, Bruce, this time I think it just might.
Trump rather sink USA over abandoning Israel.
My financial guy just called me up a few days ago and asked about buying the dip.
Fags like OP exist to exploit morons, while those of us who are not in the slave caste prosper.
The US will still rely on EU imports unless it can replicate global supply chains domestically lol. Yes we will have to sell them for cheaper but that's because YOUR economy will be in shambles. I'm not denying that we are going to suffer the consequences of a US economic collapse, I'm just disputing that we will be as impacted as you by your own economic collapse.
If they don't buy bonds, the currency is going to be worth even less.
Other assets (except physical precious metals) have a higher chance to go down even faster than the currency, since they're in a bubble.
If you get physical precious metals, it would be good for you personally, but bad for them overall, since they want to have a bond market and getting physical precious metals destroys the bond market.
you can't have the world reserve currency and a balanced trade sheet, ain't mechanical possible
this trumpican demand to the EU takes the cake so far, he demands tribute from europe to cut the US a check for the US trade deficit
ironic by the mechanism you described this was the case, JD Vance explained it sloppy in his peasant comment
I dont know if you're just looking at the google ai result but thats wrong. It was around 2.7 trillion dollars (2.5 euros). It was like 14.5% of gdp, and gdp was 17 trillion so you do the math
Fags like OP exist to exploit morons
You're in denial about the gravity of what is taking place here.
petrodollar was retarded anyway, should just start bombing countries before they get too uppity and threathen us
job losses the means there will be zero reason for immigrants & visas can be cancelled & they can all be kicked out
Have you said thank you even once?
petrodollar was the only way you could maintain your standard of living above your means after the gold backing was ended by the french
Unfortunately your politicians say you will need more immigrants to juice the economy so enjoy another million pakis
Most of my money is in bonds because I didn't want to get caught holding the bag of a market crash. This sucks. Not only am I losing money with stocks, but bonds as well.
There's no difference between the US and Israel at this point.
But it's going up???
This number going up means it's bad.
On the contrary, before the petrodollar wages matched productivity. If we kept that trend the median salary in America would be like 150k rn. We just need to stop letting immigrants in and reshore manufacturing and the average person will be owning vacation homes in europe. It will be bad for the big company owners but who cares about them
Rising yields in bonds are bad, because if you're holding bonds the bonds you hold with be at a lower interest rate than the current market interest rates. So if you buy a bond at 3% interest, but a month goes by, and yields rise to 4% your bond is worth less than current market rate bonds.
yes when you were paid in gold the US government pretended to have your wages were higher than when you got busted not having gold
China dumping her stash
DOGEbros........
Bonds are for fags
so the last time it was at these levels was in 2007. US federal debt has ballooned since then, so servicing costs will also balloon
Not true, the US has more niggers.
Based. All normies should die because women won't have sex with me.
I'm not a compulsive gambler who has money involved in the Global Jew Casino so I really don't give a fuck.
That's the inflation line. Bond markets are tied to inflation, retard. If it goes up things get more expensive for the same value.
But if all the normies died you still wouldn't get laid.
Sounds like you're about to have a shekel shoah. Next time put your money in a secure savings account.
But keep in mind that this all fake money and really just bits in a database. Global game of Monopoly where the biggest players are all cheating.
Oh no, how will the government print money out of thin air now?
put your money in a """""secure"""""" savings account
Holy fuck americans are actually so fucking retarded its unreal.
There's no bank on this planet that just lets you park money in their accounts, every bank is investing your money in the global markets, which ALL run on the US Dollar.
If the bond market blows I guarantee you there will be a bank run everywhere in the country.
Genuine blood will be on your streets soon if your retarded leader doesn't stop his madness. Wall Street will be filled with jumping suicides because the man in the White House is an absolute idiot who doesn't know how basic economics work.
great
Hey guys I have an idea. What if we uh... just decide to not have inflation this time? That would be b-b-based right? Because it's all an elaborate game of make believe and stock market valuations are based on wishful thinking?
I will be like a god then because I have cash in the safe. I am protected in every nightmare scenario you guys pitch. Feels good man.
retard
HERP DERP WHAT IS FDIC
Just admit you are losing money bigly and you're projecting onto everyone else who isn't an asshole like you.
if FDIC kicks in that'll be pure money printer though
Why is it that Trump and Vance look so suave but Zelenskii has a mustache? Kek.
If we get to the point the FDIC has to come in it wont really matter anyways.
As long as we don't bail out the people who deserve to fail like King Nigger Obongo did we'll be ok.
Wall Street will be filled with jumping suicides
We can only hope.
Don't get my hopes up.
servicing costs will also balloon
Your mom still charges the same, though?
That's not good
In the morning I'll be headed to the gold store and tell them to fill up the bag.
NEW THREAD
Was spy at 485?
LMAO
Four posts and he's also not wrong; it's real.
(((Oy vey)))
Exactly, Shlomo, you've pissed the goyim off, and now they don't give a fuck about you
Oops
Holy shit what a nothingburger. I don't think I can ever take a foreignfag seriously again after this embarrassing thread
Trump did graduate from an Ivy League university with an economics degree.
And yet he thinks a trade deficit is the same as being ripped off.