So has Xi basically screwed Trump?

China just launched retaliatory tariffs of 84% on US products

China relies far less on US imports than the other way around, so this is essentially just them beating their chests and goading Trump into raising tariffs again

American companies that have probably already bought and paid for tens of billions of dollars worth of Chinese products are going to have to either pay double (most likely far more) for critical elements of their businesses when they arrive in port, or turn them away, leaving them either in massive debt, or unable to function

combined with tariffs on every other country and no way to adequately replace them domestically, small American businesses are gonna start collapsing like the building 7 if the government doesn’t step in and save them

bond yields are skyrocketing, stocks are plummeting, the fed isn’t doing shit out of, possibly spite, and people are so tuned in that it could soon it could trigger a bank run of epic proportions

enemies and even allies are threatening to sell of their bonds, hurting both US debt and the dollar in the meantime.

What the actual fuck can he do to win this trade war now? He’s got no way for the majority of American people, be in consumers or businesses, big or small, to brave the hurricane of shit coming their way. The fed wants him to stop all this so they aren’t gonna help him bail out the people by whirling on the printer. So isn’t the only option to admit defeat and de-escalate on China?

I mean hell, he could kill two birds with one stone. By admitting defeat he saves the world economy, and he essentially gives Xi Jingping his much wanted legacy achievement, which would potentially delay a Taiwanese invasion until the next president comes along.

Trump will default on the debt before admitting he was wrong. The way treasuries are trading seems like its already a possibility

You all underestimate the global hegemony of the Dollar. Most countries would hurt themselves in order to hurt the US, in a 1:1 ratio, sometimes even worse.
But yes, the CCP chose to not bend the knee, so it's a full war now, and part of the white house is in panic, Elon included.
Tarrifs? Great against most other countries when you control the global currency, but China is just big enough to fight back, if they want to.

I give it max two years and euro will become the reserve currency
Screencap this

China will probably drop all US bonds and ban US stocks too.

idk but apparently our government already decided to side with China

BUT if he admits he’s wrong, he has a chance to solve the Taiwan strait crisis by setting up Xi’s legacy, not as the man who reclaimed Taiwan, but as the man who defeated the US in the largest trade war in modern history, and in return, Trump gets a legacy as the US president who stopped the Taiwan strait crisis.

He’s gotta be retarded or something.

No the economylets haven’t caught on yet but Trump kneecapped China with his 104% tariff and they’re floundering for a response to stop the bleeding. Either way their currency is doomed. I’m actually surprised they didn’t declare war on us.

This just guarantees that Trump will impose an additional 104% tariff (doubling them).

Each tit-for-tat escalation will just kill all China-US trade

China doesn't buy shit from the US, so any tariffs they apply don't actually mater. China still sells shit into US so that does actually matter.

True turning point is when one side pivots to a 'non-tariff' response, which could include military.

As a country that chinks themselves keep bullying, I am 100% on the side of Chink Extermination so am wishing the US to escalation to full genocide ASAP.

It's also important that much more countries are reliant on Chinese products and manufacturing than on the US. In this trade war more countries will try to make deals with China. US throwing the EU under the bus and showing disrespect to them in many ways will bite US in the ass. They can't sanction China or fare well in a trade war against China without the EU.

Congress might have to clean up after trump here. No one really cares about this tariff stuff except for him and it's a super unusual use of the president's power to do all of this wacky trade shit

Trump screwed Trump

The STILL recovering sòybean and corn farmers will get snapped out of existence again so that'll be funny to see

Hahahaha

Trump doesn't understand Communism. He doesn't realise that the Chinese can simply plan and dictate the direction of their economy and tell companies what to do as opposed to the US which relies on "the markets" and the decisions of random CEOs.

Midwest basedbean farmers going to be butthurt Trump voters. Add them to the list.

What would that mean?

The entire theory that the US could win is predicated on the claim that China floods the US with cheap useless shit but this ignores all the critical exports they make. So yes, conservatives didn’t do their homework and now we are fucked

A lot of idiots in this thread who don't realize that there is no market or combination of markets that can substitute for the gargantuan US consumer base.
China has nowhere else to unload all their shit.
They cannot absorb it domestically, nor can the rest of the world combined absorb it.

Yep, Trump and Vance basically pushed EU closer to China. Next they be crying about Europe betraying them. Idiots with zero political skill.

It won’t just kill China-US trade, it will kill China-World trade because of their exports go elsewhere and then end up in the United States.

A global economic reset would be the perfect opportunity for implementation of a global currency desu.
Stuff like universal basic income. Eating bugs and living in a pod.
AI and robots working in factories. You know the deal.

trade deficit don’t measure capital flows
china is heavily dependent on us capital, that has no justification to stay in china as the products financed by that capital can’t be sold to america with no tariffs
its gonna end grim for both countries, its just chest thumping by xi and trump, they're both retarded

What a retarded reply. The acknowledgement that much of what they make and export to us is actually critical and should be made at home is the single biggest justification for this trade war in the first place.

Range ban Polacks

the rubble*

Or countries just decide to use Euro as trade currency instead of Dollar. This btw would absolutely fuck EU and kill our exports, so not endorcing it.

Those companies are investing in the USA to avoid those tariffs you fucking idiot. The fact that you admit we import far more than we export and think this is somehow china's advantage is hurting my brain. It's tough being white in a world of low IQ brown boys. What Trump is doing benefits the United States long term. It benefits future generations. I know I know

Noooo fuck future generations, I hate the boomers for putting themselves first but I want to do the same thing

I get it, you hate boomers for doing exactly what you want to do. But that's because you're likely brown and low IQ or one of these white kids who spend every day on the internet, playing video games, and listening to gangster rap in your moms minivan on the way to McDonald's

It already is but not the main one, it accounts for 20% now but will grow because America is going to the shitter

China was ready for this anon... during trumps first run the Chinese said they didn't want a trade war, but weren't afraid to fight one. And they got their trial run during the pandemic and now know what to do. Trump on the other hand, I'm not too confident about... he's playing this off as a game to get nations to come and negotiate with him, but China isn't playing his silly art of the deal games, dame with a lot of other nations.

You seem to not understand, if there’s something that’s only made in China, you can’t just wave a magic wand and say we’ll make it here now. You don’t have that leverage, you don’t have the cards anymore. All the kicking and screaming in the world won’t change it anymore

exactly this
this stupid war is a lose-lose situation
china will get fucked and the us will get fucked
xi and trump won't survive their terms

the best response is NOT TO PLAY
just ignore the orange retard, let him shoot america on the foot

Read this

China has nowhere else to unload all their shit.

Basically all other world

American companies probably hoarded a bunch of Chink imports when Trump announced the tariffs so there was a spike in Chinese exports to JewSA

Despite being a the largest net importer, the US economy is actually less reliant on imports or exports than most other countries, especially the EU. There is nothing that China makes that is 'critical' that could not also be made in the US, it just a matter of time.

The only absolutely time-critical resources are, as always, food and energy, but the US is already self-sufficient there.

That’s a lot of words to try and sound smart but you didn’t give a single example of how Trump is actually bringing the factories back because you can’t lmao

Another mutt that doesn't get how tariffs work

Retard, the average citizen is paying the tariffs. Do you know what's going to happen to thousands of small and medium american companies that don't have enough liquidity to pay for the tariffs for products they imported and are in the ports right now? They go bankrupt immediately

And what happens when the US defaults?

I hate talking to Europeans on this website because all of you SO brainwashed by your own media. You have no idea what the global analysis of your continent or the reality of other continents are. Outside of Europe, the Euro is a disaster. The EU economy is a disaster. There is nothing appealing about either. You have the highest taxes in the world, the most strict regulation in the world, you don’t produce anything, you have the most fucked up sovereign debt market in the world, you have a the most fucked up currency market in the world. There is ZERO chance Europe is left to inherit the gold standard as world reserve currency unless everyone else nukes themselves into oblivion. I’m sorry to break it to you this way but you guys desperately need to find a way out of your European information bubble.

Companies are not investing in the US. They don’t know how long or how much these tariffs are going to stay/be, so they just cash out and stop investing out of fear.
That’s why the economy is crashing, it’s being halted.

USA takes about 10% of the Chinese exports

What are they going to do? Impose tariffs on US goods?

two more weeks?

All other markets are already at saturation point in terms of chinese exports, they can't take anymore, and even if they could, they don't have money to buy it.

Loss of US market will lead to overcapacity, which will lead to market restructuring ie bankruptcy of production firms.

"We can just trade more with everyone else" is 100% a cope, if China could have they already would have.

This is the part that people didn't understand. Trump added tariffs onto the entire world because China has been using third countries to bypass any other tariff we place.

I really don't get why people don't understand this. We are the economic world in both exports and imports. Even ignoring entertainment, the world uses all of our technology. In turn we consume literally EVERYTHING simply because we want everything and have the money for it.

I'LL JUST SELL ELSEWHERE

You already were you fucking idiot. You don't get those customers back elsewhere. This is why countries go to war so they can extend an economy, and that's China's only option if their bluff fails.

except for their food, which reliant on canada’s potash as well as the energy of states with half their gdp which is also produced in canada

You're gonna need to import a shit ton of pajeets to pull this off. Every US suburban town will be Brampton.

Would mean you could be like the US, print a ton of money which devalues less and then buy physical goods with that.

it doesn't mean the home production of critical objects is possible right now or within a useful timescale.

Unless you have the american government subsidize trillions to build factories that produce everything China exports to the us for a decade or two, you are getting screwed by inflation and bankrupcy

Even if that were true, China has more than a year's worth of grain and legumes stockpiled for something like this or to stave off a blockade.
You retards don't understand that you are not winning this trade war.

I hate talking to Europeans on this website because all of you SO brainwashed by your own media.

Bahahahaha

That's so naive like half these shitty stupid posts.

Most Western Corps are located in China. Apple. Tesla etc etc etc. That's an exodus at these prices. It can replace with some of its own brands but it loses markets, trade. Regardless.

Most of any other nations taking a Chinese road cannot feed themselves. Prices soar what happens. It gets very messy. There are plenty more wrenches to make it worse. A lot worse

Anon, based on history, anytime two peers confront one another they first have a trade war followed by a real war. However, of course the thing we call "life" has a game mechanic that mixes in unpredictability. Whatever we think will happen won't happen.

Spoken like someone who's financially illiterate.

They didn’t get a trial run because they didn’t have to navigate reciprocal tariffs to all countries and so could avoid American tariffs but exporting to other countries which in turn exported to America. But everyone has reciprocal tariffs now to offset trade imbalance so they can’t do that. Trump’s tariffs just took away their single biggest source of market demand and investment by a mile and there’s absolutely no way they can recover it. Meanwhile, their tat for our tits are going to be circumvented by us exporting to their neighbors and then shipping into China. Their choices now are to plummet their currency which will crash household spending and deepen their consumption crisis, dump their bonds which blow up their currency which is what we always wanted or respond with tariffs in kind which is just floundering while they search for a way out.

A trade war is nothing compared to a monetary war, which is where we are going now

Yes in many cases you can actually. I’ve negotiated these deals in the past. I really don’t need some Walgreen’s employee telling me otherwise.

apocalypse I guess

>China relies far less on US imports than the other way around

China imports food.
USA imports Dollar Tree junk.
You're a paki retard. Seethe.

Yeah they did. For example, Apple flew in planes’ worth of product.

Trump is a retarded boomer whose brain is stuck in the Cold War just like Biden. I honestly think he'll destroy the country before admitting anything

Shit pajeeet

Are you alright anon?
Where is China going to sell their tons of plastic crap.
Not there, you are broke.
Not here, we are poor.
Russians, lol.
The rest of the Europooors?
While they prepare for war?
Not the one you think though.
The US was "the" market.
And now it is gone.
China has some money, they are going to have to spend it, but in the worst possibly way for the communist party.
They are going to have to spend the money on the people.
Subsidies, all sorts of help will be needed to sustain the world plastic factories.
They have nowhere to sell in the industrial numbers they need.
And once the US manufactures again, the Chinese have no way to compete.
This might be the end of communism as we know it.
lmao.

they are dumping the bonds to devalue their currency
its a weapon to neutralise the effect of your tariffs, which will definetely hurt the purchasing power of their population, but they literally don’t give a fuck because they are a dictatorship

The Chinese have tasted the American diet and revolted against COVID restrictions. They will not go peacefully back into the box to eat just rice and legumes once they can't afford food thanks to tariffs.

That’s not how costs of tariffs are absorbed in reality. Every economist knows this. You got psyopped by lefty journalists.

except for their food, which reliant on canada’s potash

If Canada bans exports of Potach to punish US agriculture, US will just annex the provinces of Canda that produce it, through military force. There is no way Canada can stop that, and countries have gone to more extreme lengths to secure their food supply.

as well as the energy of states with half their gdp which is also produced in canada

The US is actually self sufficient in energy production, they just prefer to export their light sweet crude and consume heavy crude, because heavy crude is cheaper, and US refineries are complex enough to crack it.

Switching to refining light crude will take at most 1 week. It's a non-issue.

Canda knows that, which is why it's not happening, this is more chink cope.

This may be inconvenient to your worldview, but the US is best positioned to pull of this strategy. Will it work? I don't know, but not for the reasons you're laying out.

This whole situation is now just a race to whose economy cracks first, China or US. If US cracks first, China wins. If China cracks first, US wins. And China is far weaker than most people realize.

It will take years if not decades to replace the manufacturing capacity, and we don't currently have the workforce. The economy will grind to a halt

Dumping bonds will have the opposite effect on their currency. Holding the bonds is how they secure the low currency. It’s basically their kamikaze play. IF they dump the bonds they have to find a way to prevent the price of their exports from skyrocketing in addition to the cost burden from the tariffs.

subhuman slav. Maybe you should atleast read wikipedia article on economics before supporting your fellow subhuman slav spewing bullshit.

You'd get a workforce tomorrow if it collapses

To a significant degree, sure. But so what? If in 4 years, you’ve taken back even a little bit of critical industry then the tariffs would he said to be a success.

Usa can buy Chinese crap in my webstores. Much cheaper. Thanks Trump.

Brutal

That’s objectively not true.

The factories are already here you don’t need any subsidies. You guys want to imagine America is a pile of dirt. But On Semiconductor for example could literally turn on their factories across the Rust Belt with a flick of a switch.

Muh chinkshit

What is steel

What is aluminum

What are lithium and cobalt

What are resistors/capacitors/transistors

Retarded gorilla nigger spotted

We tariffed you to so no

Cheap Chinese stuff for the rest of us - paid for by the Amerishartistani citizen. Thanks Trump!

China doesn’t really need to do anything accept keep goading trump into raising the tariffs on Americans, cus it means us companies that essentially pre-ordered Chinese stuff with either have to pay disgustingly high prices or go without necessities. Literally everything in the US is likely going to jump 10% in price at the very least due to all the tariffs, not just the ones on China.
It’ll quite literally send millions of Americans into poverty over the next 28 days, cause hundreds of thousands of people to start withdrawing from banks and cause thousands of small buissnesses to fail simultaneously. The American people will be suffering long before the average Chinese citizen even notices the pain, especially when China’s probably gonna turn on the money printer to stop the bleeding in the meantime, sometihng the US can’t do with Powell basically giving DJT the biggest middle finger in history. China will start hurting for sure and badly, but not before the US dies from the injuries.
I mean kind of, making this stuff in the US would heel chinese dominance, but the issue is that Trump didn’t set up the needed infrastructure to to replace China, let alone other swathes of the world, before he told all 9.5 billion who don’t live in the US to collectively go fuck themselves.

This is funny money analysis. China is objectively doomed without the U.S. market. Period. End of story.

What the fuck are you on about man, only the small fry countries are currently investing in the USA. Everyone that matters is actively fighting back at the moment, and even if they start investing right now, it’s not going to stop the bleeding the US is experiencing.
That is true, almost all of this could be made in the US, but it’d take years to fully set it up before switching, and even then it would sting. The Americans can’t make anything critical since they lack the current infrastructure to do so immediately.

I know, I’m just hoping to god if war breaks out we stay the fuck out of it.

Goes to show which is the superior system

A few reasonable takes in a sea of absolutely retarded morons.

or the euro

Kek you faggots still clinging on to that fantasy? If the USD gets dropped it'll be for the Yuan

*shoots self in foot*
LIB STATUS: OWNED

All of these are commodities available at many competing large countries, many which trump hasn't slapped huge tariffs on. They may be able to sell to the US at a premium, but that's it, and those countries will benefit while China's market share falls.

Shut up kilmeade

why woukd it theyll keep devaluing the yuan. its not a good investment.
if its not the us dollar uts the euro.

Chinks think they can match and leverage against the Americans in Tariffs

Hope the people of China are ready to suffer. Their government is super arrogant. Their civilian poverty line is way worse over there.

MURICA #1.

no one gives a shit Pablo Shartinez. your country is 3rd world and getting more irrelevant by the minute. I've personally boycotted all US made products because they are poor quality overpriced garbage. no one needs to buy US products, and the rest of the world will happily gobble up all the discounted Chinese products.
This is how your empire ends just like how the British empire went from being the strongest in the world to an irrelevant muslim shithole.

You have no idea what you're talking about. American semiconductor factories outside of Arizona - if they even still meaningfully exist - are hopelessly outdated and can't produce modern chips. It's a decade long process to build these fabs. You're not getting them back before 2030 at the earliest, everything that relies on them needs to import from China.

lol everything in zog media is painted as a good thing 1 uping china. Covid uhhh masks are actually a good thing!111 take the shot goy! Its chinas fault. Trump tariffs uhhh paying 2x the price for goods means we are winning stop the steal lets go brandon goy!11111

At some point we have to realize we are indoctrinated peasants.

Good luck directing your economy out of a demand side crisis. Lmao. I could see them devaluing the currency to try to make up for it and then shoring up supply to keep employed, resulting hyperinflation lmao.

All of these are commodities available at many competing large countries

Name these countries. Right, you won't be able to because you're a clueless retard

I voted for him but this is too much. I can't support him conducting economic terrorism against the entire world. He must be impeached. Immediately. He will never be my president.

hello

The simple fact they can't move it up 20 more percent shows they bugs have lost. They can't match.

I voted for him

He will never be my president

Trumptard logic in action here folks

so what do jews think if all this...

buy euros, and now ditch the USD. There will be no US dollars in the future. EU will be the leader of the west soon.

i don't know i'm just enjoying my meal

Nothing and it's not going to default. That's just the latest panic narrative the left is pushing after their black monday shit failed.

20 minutes of research could prove that you are conclusively wrong. But it doesn’t matter because immediate transition is not and never has been the goal. It does not matter.

*coping noises*
Your country is an open pit mine by the way. You’re not even at the big boy table.

Cool. You should try exporting to China. I am sure they want your windmills.

burn in hell kike

Now China has another reason to get Taiwan. Trump is a sellout. He ruined every promise he had before election. And he never achieved anything. All those foreign investments are fishy promised. Trump is the worst president of the US of all time. Also he is a dickhead, a narcissist, a liar, a massive fraud. Impeach this KGB spy now.

Bait used to be believable.
I said many times. This is the perfect opportunity for globalists to implement a new global currency.

Next step will be for AI and robots to substitute the labor force.

Next step is to implement universal basic income, when the masses start complaining that there are no jobs anymore.

Then you will eat the bugs, and you will live in the pod. You will pay for Netflix race swapping adaptations. It will be your only form of entertainment.

China will for sure destroy their economy if they try and take Taiwan.

EU will be the leader of the west soon

So Russia, got it.

hello

Yes. Trump has done everything wrong here, and has tanked fundamental confidence in America that will echo for decades while racking up record deficits.

No, he's talking about Muslims.

Their steel is trash, I know from experience.
All that shit is produced elsewhere as well, and we already have our own we just have to mine them. Once we take Greenland we won't need a single thing from the world and we will continue to dominate international sea lanes. USA and Japan make far superior caps and resistors. The chink shit is the trash nobody wants. I know this from experience as well. I am a union steel worker who has owned a music store for the past 5 years and I repair electronics now. The chink shit is what I tear out and replace with American/Japanese made. Seethe, skilless neet retard.

when you realize hes just a russian asset that was srnt to destroy the us it majes sense

Lets see if the chinks have the stones to go toe to toe in a trade war. They're starting from behind, so I don't like their chances.

Agreed. I am tired of being reliant on China for critical stuff. We have offshore important stuff like making antibiotics here or even having a basic chemical industry. Trump went for the sledgehammer approach. It would not have been my approach but it may be the only way. Now that the die is cast I sure as hell will back the play - Especially in the face of these obvious enemies of America. That includes our enemies in Europe. Useless ingrates.

Zion Don would only bend the knee to China if the Zionist establishment demanded it.
Otherwise, invading Taiwan means starting WW3.

stop all us exports to china

stop all chink imports to us

let's see who's still standing in the end. a billion chinks with no jobs versus 340M americans with no plastic crap to throw their money at?

At this rate, China would be welcomed with open arms

If they go all in China is in a way worse position.

They're going to tank millions of jobs. US billionaires are going to lose some money.

But in the end the US will come on top.

I just hope we in Europe come on top of both China and the US. Nothing better then watching two idiots punch eacherother while you enjoy the popcorn.

Good take. I was getting pissed by the brown stupidity. Maybe I am not as pure as you brother. However your insight has calmed me down. Thanks for the share.

They're gonna default on the debt for a restart. Then start a massive war to reinvigorate American manufacturing and the economy. They're gonna pull a 1930s.

no no you don't understand, they need some one to give free shit to!

The UK?

Sudoku on epic levels

its the psheks getting rowdy episode again

340M americans with no plastic crap

That's your understanding where the Chinese manufacture output went?
Ask me how do I know you never leave your bedroom.

They won’t. Instead US will no longer exist if they dares to attack China. You think Russia won’t move into Europe and project its power? You think Middle East won’t attack Israel? Also US won’t get any Asian countries’ support on Taiwan. Only Australia and if Australia dare to join they will be dead faster than the US even.

If it were a real default, then it means that the USA can't run a fiscal deficit any more, so it's pretty much game over for the US empire (no more welfare state, no more MIC). But they might do something like they did to Russia where they froze $300B of Russian funds that were held in western jurisdictions, but China is no doubt prepared for that one, so the US would need a different trick.

They better keep investing in China right Chang?

You can turn on the semiconductor factories because it’s one of the very few things your government was smart enough to set up before it told to world to kiss its ass and die you utter cretin, and even then it isn’t enough to replace all that you currently need.

You don’t have an army an Indian children in a storage bin somewhere to make your clothes, or a factory that just so happens to have all the equipment to produce the electronics Asia makes for you on the cheap, or 200 million acres of perfectly tilled, currently unused soil ripe for producing the fruit and vegetables you import from across the planet.

You have the POTENTIAL to do all of that, but it would take years to get even a fraction of that infrastructure ready.

Trump is KGB? It's not 2016 give Hillary her loser dossier back.

Lmao, sorry chink shill. You're delusional and have been lied to. The simple fact that their tariffs didn't match what America set yesterday shows they have lost and trying to keep a strong face because their ego matters more than facts.

Oh shit I guess it really is kinda similar ain't it

What’re you eating dude?

You’re not exactly wrong, but wouldn’t it be more to China’s benefit to not take Taiwan atm and instead build trusting relationships with the allies america seemingly threw to the curb? That way there’s less resistance from everyone else when they try to eventually take Taiwan. I mean if I were Xi I see this as a perfect opportunity to form social bonds with other countries and get them on my side, the same way his predecessor formed economic bonds with them.

I think the longer this goes on, the more China gets hurt, but in the short term, all the tariffs in general not just the Chinese ones, ups the chances that the Americans feel the sting first, and hard. If it gets bad enough they could potentially bow out before China feels the pinch. It’s really just about how long the Americans can last before China starts hurting.

Watch what happens when we begin pressuring countries to limit their food imports ;).

You're all overestimating China. What happens if all those companies decide to migrate to poorer Asian countries, like India or Thailand?
You all fail to realize, that China is standing up to Trump, because it has no other option.

You are one dumb mother fucker. America makes lots of potassium salts. Don't talk about how reliant America is on simple mineral salts like POT ASH if you don't know shit about what it is.

Most countries would hurt themselves in order to hurt the US

Trump treats politics like a business with his deals, but in world politics, it's harder for countries to make a good decision than not to hurt themselves. The main dog of the West in the form of Ukraine should show how other Western countries will behave against the background of the crisis.

No, China will attack Taiwan and trump don’t want this happen. You think Trump can let millions of Americans dead in the sea just for another chink island? Or he is just sending only spics and niggers. Also we also will lock up Taiwan chinks and mainland chinks into concentration camp because we can’t tell them. In the end, Taiwan will see those and turn to the hands of CCP.

They'll get Japanese support. Don't be a faggot.

most wonder understand why china cant sell treasuries and has to undervalue their currency, causing a spiraling depletion of capital foreign and domestic. Nor would anyone here admit the awesome power of USA's SWIFT system. This isn't either btw, its a port war over transport of raw materials

Republicans are going to have to put their big boy pants on and take away his power to do tariffs, otherwise this will keep getting worse. The question is whether SCOTUS will cockblock--but I imagine Roberts likes his stocks to go brrrrr like every other rich person.

small American businesses

China killed all those during the fake Covid pandemic. US has nothing to lose.

It’s simple, the Chinese can suffer, they are used to it in fact, can the fat lazy Americans suffer? I don’t think so…

Hahaha. You dominated him. Honestly let's see what demands need to be filled. Lots of opportunities.

euro

LMAO

Kikes will come up with some globohomo reserve currency. Euro will no longer exist.

you little piece of SHIT
you DISGUSTING UGLY heeb
i will rip off you neck and take a shit on your corpse you NIGGER FUCK

ground beef with a few eggs
well seasoned of course

Or because China had prepared enough for this? You think those Chinese are some country rednecks? They are ruling 1.4 billion people. They think in a long term. Just look at how fast they slapped back with equal tariffs Trump put on them. They are ready for this already. You are a fuckin idiot.

the Chinese can simply plan and dictate the direction of their economy and tell companies what to do

The Jews already do that in US and UK. You live under kike Stalinism.

they can not attack taiwan, the fabs would be destroyed immediately. Even if they peacefully take over Taiwan they literally cant do anything with it. There is a reason CCP does not have taiwan and its immensely more structured then hard power. This is a game about raw materials being reproduced for gpus to break encryption and the supply chain of china,Germany,japan, netherland and taiwan. Rest of the tariffs will be negotiated off the table. Europe is going to pick a side as well. We don't need the germans we prefer them and we will literally just take ASML

Cool story Chang.

To put it in other terms, US may "win" the trade war, but it will by Pyrrhic victory.

China may lose the war, but who cares? They think in terms of 5 year plan and faced 10x worse crisis decades ago. They know how to survive.

But the real question is, will the US survive their Pyrrhic victory? If Trump completely decimated US economy, then literally whole of US will turn into California 2.0 and turns into one party ruled country for the next 20-30 years.

Suffering Chinese don't make good fighters it just makes them good at eating other Chinese.

Same thing is about to happen to the entire Chinese economy on a much larger scale, that Canada did to the US - sending back unsold product, liquor in Canadas case. So it will shut down Chinese producers pretty much. Not the other way around. The rest of the world makes this shit, its only China suffering and as you said - they dont import anything from the US, so they have no ability to fight back. If only they did import, but they dont. So Chinese tariffs mean nothing.

Taiwan for China is not about chips, they don't care about fabs so much.

hello there!

i'm lucky to be able to witness total mutticide in my lifetime

Not when the EU can just decide to take your money to keep the Greek economy from imploding.

chang, we control the shipping routes of ALL livestock feed needed to prevent a famine of 500M Chinese. You do understand that right, brazil cant help you without a navy to protect it. The USA can literally, and I mean it by the full definition, kill 500M chinks without firing a shot. What will happen is Xi will accept chinks in his lifetime will never have Nvdia level GPUs and his encryption will be broken by the five eyes, thus ending the CCP dreams of hegemony

Japs won’t do shit. They let PLA navy ships across their country all the time. Also what do they need Taiwan for? That would be the most stupid thing I’ve heard. But Australia would surly go extinct for fucking shit up.

Heres what you dont seem to understand, lowly chink people need other countries. White people can survive on our own. WE dont need you.

The US CAN bring manufacturing back BUT, Americans need to be ready for significant sacrifices. Working 12h for 5USD / h 7 days a week with no holidays. If they want to make their nation great there can be no more complaints about working conditions or salaries. I will import some screwdrivers from the US knowing some anon made them with blood & tears

Will trump cuck?

Not the regular euro.
They'll choose the digital euro for this.
It won't be the world's reserve though, just Europe's.
Every region will have a reserve currency of its own, and to facilitate easy exchanges they'll tether their currencies to gold and silver.

They buy quite a lot of food from us.

if that was true they would have it already friend. You refer to a cultural overtone that while true, doesn't influence geopolitics at all. You can not do anything with chips without the Japs and guess who has a tiny issue with a fellow asian island, that literally can not defeat in an open sea war

Chink components are almost always shit. You have to assume they lied to you and plan your design with an extra conservative chink safety factor. Oowrrr yesh - pure copper. No irearn impurities. Reeestance wherry low....

Hey mutt, USA isn’t a white country

no

the entire point is to bring back manufacturing to the us from china. trump seems to fully expect a conflict in the future with china, so you don't want them making all of your shit.

the more china responds, the easier this is for the us to do it. meaning, china is falling for the bait.

Taiwan has fabs in mainland China already you dumb fuck. Now most of your chips will be made in Malaysia or Taiwan. But in China their chips are made in China. Unless you will bomb fabs in Malaysia too. Also everyone will know who bombed the fabs, the US. So Taiwan won’t fight even back after seeing this.

thats not at all whats on the table and Chinese isn't a cheap labor source. Its a raw material ease of excavation issue. China has very few cards for leverage here, and ironically each one they have hurts themselves in proportion. Ai automation ends most of what you call 5USD an hour work. And there are swathes of SEA that are available

The fact that the Federal Reserve is itting on their ass with their thumbs up their asses. It's almost as if they want a global economic reset and a global currency.

Soon, cars are going to be something only the rich can afford and they will be able to push for 15 minutes cities and other agendas they have,

They don't have a workforce with the IQ and motivation needed to produce modern products, there is only one end to this which doesn't maintain the status quo, WWIII.

dumb fuck lol chang you cant steal the ability to handle the acid can you? yes you have fabs no you do not have access to any of the supply chain needed to break encryption, outside of digging up rocks

at this point, both have essentially sanctioned each other, raising the tariffs even further would change little

Now China has another reason to get Taiwan

They would have their exports to Europe and Asia banned. China would lose 90% of their export market for years. The invasion is likely to fail.

discounted

LOL yeah i'm sure they'll discount their products to make up for the GARGANTUAN LOSS of the US consumer market (aka the largest consumer market in the world). have fun with that, Chang!

You are retarded. They send all their gpu to China to assembly. If china needs fabs because of Taiwan, they already can hijack the trade on the position.

they will be able to push for 15 minutes cities and other agendas they have

This wouldn't be bad if they revoked all womens rights, destroyed the internet and artificially set civilization back by 120 years.

they're all in on what trump is doing.

the us wants to cut china loose. the question is how much of the west follows them.

in real politik Daddy America just spanked its Chinese child and is reevaluating the chinks monthly allowance. There are very few things America hasn't strategically outsourced to EU and Asia while hoarding a surplus for ourselves. World will have to drop its vision of anything but a unipolar world order

All of these are commodities available at many competing large countries, many which trump hasn't slapped huge tariffs on.

We have steel, we have aluminum, we have lithium and cobalt, and guess what? They still tariff us because we dare try to protect our economic sectors. Because only Americans can protect their economy.

You are retarded. You think China is not in the supply chain of chip manufacturing? Their graphic cards are even a special one made by nvidia and totally made in China. Anyways, you are retarded.

The USA feeds china. China gives the USA tchochkies.

assembly you dumb nigger, assembly, assembly, assembly. Read your fucking words again double nigger. Chinks do not have the capability to create even the rooms needed to advance this technology, you ignorant double nigger. This one thing that biden and trump did exactly the same and you are going to tell me chinks can create nvdia gpus, the chinks are FULLY contained in this regard and these tariffs are just the start

They won’t. China can trade with their own currency instead. You think now some swift system can block China. You are delusional.

As much as I would love it for Russian to conquer parts of Europe like Norway and Denmark, I can't realistically see that ever happening. Same with Muslims attacking Israel; Iran threw everything at Israel and what actually made it through? Maybe a dinged up run way. Glad those sand people don't know how easy it is to make stealth coating.

they only participate in raw materials, zero capabilities in regards to advancing fabs 2nm

Xi did a better job as a tenor, than Trump did in 2 attempts.
The history pages are writing themselves.

You are a dumb nigger. They sent those chips to China to assembly and where are the products going? They are staying in China, not the US.

China's primary and secondary industry is pretty damn relevant globally and apparently for you as well. Now can you replace China? Certainly not with current salaries, cost of production (which includes employee costs) is much much lower than in the US.

If China were to cut all exports to the US or europe, it's over.

No one will sell bonds that will spike their own currency. China will need to be buck broken. And every moment you think about how the US is dependent upon china remember that is just all the more reason to break off now rather than kick the can down the road.

do you think Xi will devalue his currency to indentured servitude

The Ukraine war made sure that wont happen anon.

super unusual use of the president's power to do all of this wacky trade shit

are you 12?

Trump is tariffing you because your cuck leader Trudeau is not playing ball, it's not the same as US vs China. As soon as you canuks actually start enforcing your border, stop your infinity jeet imports (who all just flow into the US and use you as a way-station) and get on board the US's anti-China tariffs, Trump is will get off your back.

Trump issue is with your cucked leadership, not you, and if you're paying attention you'd notice that (Trump never accused you of 'stealing american jobs' it was always about fentanyl - hint hint, it's all about the border dipshit).

thus why we are where we are friend. Its a race to break encryption and its coming. Hoard any file encrypted files you come across. Maybe 10-15 years at best.

They made their nail bed, they sucked up to the mighty dollar now can't escape it

But muh stock market...

Face the music is swim or sink

China is already there. They can simply shift manufacturing into wartime economy at will and America will suffer without China firing a bullet.

its not that, they have been infiltrated by the ccp at levels of government they have been cut off of Five Eyes intelligence. USA will likely take Canada as an annexation if she doesn't get everything she desires from next government

Things we have the resources and factories to produce, but currently don't as we are using chinese slave labor?

Every argument about how we are dependent on them is just another reason to break off. Find the people who let us become dependent and hang them if you want but we still have to fix it. Here and now no more kicking the can down the road. Weve been talking about how china is a danger for 10 years. If you have not figured that out by now you wont.

Do you think Trump is crazy enough to freeze all foreign funds in US banks if default ever happens?

So has Xi basically screwed Trump?

Trump screwed himself

Oh no. We have to keep the US an economic powerhouse so we csn improve the lives of foreigners. And we cant have wealthy top 1 percent people losing their money. If this collapses all of the foreigners from our economic zone might leave. Then I would be stuck here still poor but with only white people. Wouldn't want that. Fuck the US.

Their citizens are gonna overthrow the government because of all the surplus goods they have

its famine for China and what, less amazon orders for Americans? There are very few natural resources that time and ability cant redirect from the Chinese. Xi will bend the knee bc famine is a pretty tough thing to maintain party stability. Like if you understand the shipping routes and options, no less than 500M Chinese die

other than war, what does the US even export?

Mutts will have to re-learn and re-stablish all the jobs their takiya faggots traitor bitches moved to China.
It must not be dificult, you had the know how to do it before China, so its only a matter of focus and dedication.
If i was american i will already have a proper and neat traitors list by now...

SWIFT control, the reason why the petrol dollar doesn't exist anymore nonce

If they thought long term they wouldn't be communists.

ESL nigger, mexico made everything before W Bush allowed china in the WTO

pretty sure you're are delusional as fuck, but time will tell

chang, we control the shipping routes

You control shit, dumbfuck. Your golemcarriers can't even beat the houthis. Try anything against china and you can kiss your entire fleet goodbye

If China wants yuan to be free traded then who would reject them? Also US dollars will deflate without China. You still think there is someone will win in the end? Yes, not the US, China.

China just launched retaliatory tariffs of 84% on US products

So?

What the actual fuck can he do to win this trade war now?

Literally nothing. We import vastly more goods from China than we export to there. All we have to do is shut them off from our consumer base and they'll crawl back... or better yet, stay fucked off.

Not gonna happen before fiscal union. Not enough Euro bonds out there to be a useful reserve currency.

America. The vast majority of China's trade is rest of world.

It would have taken a decade

That would be amazing. There should be a general write down of 2/3 of all debts public and private

What does the US export to China aside form the pork when their pigs were killed by swine flu? China has a lot more to lose from this than the US, retarded cuck nigger

which factories are you talking about specifically? US started building more factories years ago in preparation for this exact shit.

Trump will default on the debt before admitting he was wrong.

True. Xi's the exact same way, face is even more important in China than it is here in the US.

Yeah North Korea is good since they have no foreign goods.

Nothing. The only people who own treasuries are pensions and foreigners

We are witnessing the fall of the US Empire in real time and it is glorious.

it's art of the deal 5d chess or some shit. us bongs are just too low iq to even comprehend the greatness of his plan. we should bow down to our american overlords and kiss their boots.

All we have to do is shut them off from our consumer base and they'll crawl back

Please do and see how well that goes. We'll enjoy cheaper goods in the meantime

China relies far less on US imports than the other way around

China also relies on US dollars to function, numbnuts. They're not giving us that shit for free.

Last night, someone posted a thread with a video of a glass-bottomed Chinese monorail. The trade imbalance basically gifted that fucking thing from the US to China for free. That faggotry is now over.

this may be the poorest take ITT. Doesnt even warrant a response, not even Xi deludes himself like this

real politik. Navy, ports, fuel. Dont fall into the media hype and markets friend. Russia has more power at the table then the Chinese. And guess whos handing Iran over bc of miscalculations. Like the denial USA isn't insanely favored in all of these dealings is delusional

this is what will happen.

hey eu, we want a better deal

ok, 0:0

flips table

hey japan, we want a better deal

but we don't have tariffs as it is

flips table

hey china, 104% tariffs

ok, 104% right back

flips table

like a petulant child

Deflation means the value of the dollar goes up, braindead faggot

youre a dumb nigger, we export the livestock feed to feed the pigs

basedbeans

Russia has more power at the table then the Chinese.

If you believe this you are truly low IQ

you print that money out of thin air, it literally is "for free" since you produce nothing to receive that money that you then pass to China.

keep tariffs

Further crash of the stock market, recession that will make 2008 seem like nothing, losing 2026 primaries, most people who voted for him will turn against him

remove tariffs

He will seem weak, China wins, Republicans will be seen as a joke, his ego will be greatly hurt

He overplayed his cards and hes FUCKED now.

No it means no one will use your paper.

ITT europoors and chink apologists coming to realize that US navy dictates the outcome LOL

nobody cares about libs anymore. They've been irrelevant since Trump won. Probably irrelevant for the foreseeable future.

China's a green water navy and always will be.

Deflation means the value of the dollar goes up

yeah so you stop consooming because everything is gonna be cheaper tomorrow.

we cant starve the russians. We can absolutely starve the Chinese. We cant isolate russia out of European politics, we have isolated China out of its own sphere of influence. I would bet russian men excel at 2nm before chinks as well. Standing by my statement

prosperity status?

We're both guessing. I do know the Chinese economy faces difficulties because of the so called 'middle income trap'.
We will only know 10 years from now.
Or in the next 10 months, if things go really really bad.

You’re retarded

The trade imbalance basically gifted that fucking thing from the US to China for free.

They produce things of value that the US wants and needs and they get money for it.
Is that hard to grasp for you retards?

They have a bigger navy than yours. Your logistics issue will kill you in a month. How many days do you need to ship over to Taiwan just for get sunk by their missiles?

all youd have to do is locate the submarines and you could ignore it all

you produce nothing

The US is the world's top oil exporter. Look it up.

again double nigger, power lies in submarines, not manpower, is anyone worried about dirty jeets or pakis? No, the Chinese simply have electric pulse weapons as the best deterrent, bc it is quite literally endame for 60% of their people in any war game scenario. Come attack USA homeland I like our chances with 500M arms

go make my sneakers

What the actual fuck can he do to win this trade war now?

He could end the FED and fix dollar. But Trump will never do that. Kennedy wanted to but somethig happened...

we dig stuff from th earth

WOW, there was another country that was mocked for similar "economy"

As if their entire economy isn't based on selling shit here, wow you are really fucking retarded aren't you?

are you sure about that? Bc it is all literally aligning with ending income tax collection for anyone under 150k and pivoting towards a wealth fund similar to norway. All we have to do is reevaluate gold

the world uses Microsoft outlook so we good

you're in for a rude awakening
you don't export anything relevant and you represent like 300B out of 3.5T of Chinese exports. They could even proxy their shit to you if they wanted.

We can absolutely starve the Chinese

Utterly delusional

We really don’t need cheap plastic crap from China.

But you still have to pay your student loan.

are you sure about that?

Yes. You know how I am sure? Jews. Trump is pro jews. Jews run that shitshow.

Pretty much. America doesn't have the government programs needed to help its citizens survive the wave of unemployment/suicides about to hit. China has them and also a gigantic government that can create more. But, going by Trump's "ethical" framework, he is getting rid of the weak before importing the strong. From a limousine lolbertarian perspective, It could be seen as a win for America.

Submarine can’t do shit in a war. It’s only for nuclear launch purposes. So that would bring nukes to the table. Kek. You are more low IQ than I thought.

Trump will default on the debt

yet another bankruptcy for ol' donnie.

I called it in 2016, that was his plan all along.

ORANGE MAN GOOD

MIGA retards are so dumb that you can’t tell if these people are serious or if they’re paid shills

the only way you can beat china is by getting russia to invade. china won't fire first, but they'll probably be able to bait you into doing it.

the only delusion is thinking uncle sam would have a hard time selling it to Americans. Literally just embargo a few select ports and watch the canibalism. You have read the Chinese cannibalism reports from their last famine, right?

submarines can’t do shit in a war

you’re more low IQ than I thought

Lmao you niggers are incredibly retarded.

The market will adjust as was projected last year and panickers are going to look like idiots as per the usual

Export over $3 trillion worth of goods in 2023 alone

You make nothing

Lmao . Try to be relevant faggot.

See ...And if you don't think digging petroleum up isn't the most critical industry in a world that's about to double its energy intake thanks to AI and Crypto, you're too stupid to talk to.

kek, youre low IQ nigger, you target the ships bringing livestock feed after USA stops sending, nukes arent real, lmao double nigger

That book is retarded

Incorrect. The easiest way for us to beat China is to stop buying their goods.

Submarine can’t do shit in a war.

Delusional fuck. Look at their yearly wheat and rice production. It’s sustainable for them.

you know that there's no sea between europe and asia, right?

China has begun buybacks of stocks for their top companies

Spending upwards of $800 million to do so

Thinks they will last

Lmao

he doesn't know China has been building destroyers and subs non stop

he doesn't know China has a entire fleet of bombers equipped with carrier killer missiles

Of course you don't know shit, you're a retarded amerinigger

Tell me how submarine can work in Taiwan strait as its the shallowest sea on earth

pervy old men exported to thailand is a $3 trillion business? damn

Yea just ship through Russia or Iran LOL.

there are 6 billion consoomers for chink shit that don't reside in muttland.

theres no goal of defeating of Chinese in a hot war, since you're idiototic government tried to manage them through addiction. Which btw the world is feeling a revenge opium war. This is about gaining the first to market on decryption. This is not about killing people or making money. This is a real politik as real as it gets

So what is Trump's actual plan here?

Destroy the economy and make everyone hate Republicans

Make the country's closest trading allies hate America more than they ever did

Lie to his supporters, lie under God ensuring he burns in hell, go against the Constitution

So chinks will just sell their shit for less?

Huge win for us since their economy can’t take that at the moment.

Oh yeah, nuke threat. You don’t even have hypersonic weapons. Your nukes won’t even get launched when you get full blown out. Kek.

You haven't thought through your response and port locations. The famine scenario is sound and guaranteed to happen in a war

If I were American I would seriously consider defecting to China right now.

Good you can buy their trash.

Lmao did you actually bring up the constitution

Can bugmen even afford American products?

you're

your

idiototic government tried to manage them through addiction.

that was the jew sassoon.
and now they're killing your kids with fent because you harbour the jews.

Engaging with paid agitators online is for you as a shill. For me, I just correct ignorance and reveal the jew. But purporting to deny the superiority of US military in any war game is frivolous

I think long term China will just sort itself into openly hostile territory so there’s no deal to be made but China loses in that much more than we do. Friendly countries will give us everything at the negotiating table and the only really big question mark is Europe. Europe has decided whether it’s America’s friend or foe and if they choose foe they’re gonna pay the price for it.

Will be less for them but 20 times for you. Yeah, big win!

Again, cannot tell if glownigger or MIGA nigger. They’re actually this retarded

Which btw the world is feeling a revenge opium war.

I heard about it too. Supposedly the US tried to get all chinks addicted, and now chinks want revenge and flooded US with fentanyl???
I heard the CCP recovered the body of George Floyd, and they used to synthesize a super form of it.

That's a fair enough retort, but the game remains.

Oh no, more vague threats from some angsty retard.

Europe has decided whether it’s America’s friend or foe and if they choose foe they’re gonna pay the price for it.

Lmao how will we make them pay. With our three brigades in Germany and Italy?

Britian didnt try, they literally took the most important port in asia for 99 years bc of it but let your CCP overlords know you tried

You don’t need Indian slaves. You are a fucking psycho and you don’t know the first goddamn thing about economics or trade let alone the real state of America’s productive potential. Europeans have lost the plot completely. You are screaming about American decay while your countries have literally shot themselves in both feet are currently cutting their nose off to spite the face. And yet you idiots believe the information you’re getting out of the BBC. It boggles the mind.

Kek, even Elon musk is saying your shitty jets are waste of money. Not to say your PDF 6th gen jets. You don’t even have hypersonic missiles. All of your ships will get sunk in the dock once you dare to join in. This is not a game.

Shills will double and triple down with information to back it up china has already begun trying to stabilize their government their market isn't looking poor right now because they spent a ton on stock buybacks as companies began to shift their supply chains. Problem is it's not long term and any company not used to forecast their index and still tanking.

just cut the jews off and everything will be chill. what have they ever done for you anyway?

shill thread, sage in all fields

They already are. They didn't expect free trade to be rejected. So now they will begin even worse concessions.

itt anons tell other anons they're retarded and don't understand anything

Everyone cannot be right. So who is? Look at yourselves in the proverbial mirror, and take an objective look. Who is right? You? Why are they wrong and you're right? Are you biased? I for one am a brainlet, so I honestly don't know. I am looking for truthful answers though, but it seems I'm not the only brainlet, and "experts" are weighing in with their opinions. Are there any objective anons out there who truly understands the situation?

You're witnessing the beginning of a US Golden Age.

Your whole culture is based on idolizing material objects and the most cost effective way to please this need is Chinese goods. Cope.

plan

Plan?

The materialism and luxury goods market in China is the world's leading one. What are you talking about. In fact their love of western luxury is one of their achilles heel in soft power and why no one has any empathy for their tariffs

I'm probably the furthest thing from a WASP freemason jew worshiper.

unfortunately the guy you voted for loves the long nosed cunts.

use the jews

you trick yourself into thinking you can do this, we made the same mistake.

jew advisors in economics for both china and USA here

there's no jew advisors in china.

Yes but also no. Chinese economy was already in a bad place.
This trade war just gives Xi the opportunity he needs to revert to a command economy. Something he's been keen to do for a while and now needs to do with Chinas population in decline and its industry facing a drought of foreign orders

Nigger, China can launch missiles from their own soil. They can bomb the water out of Taiwan strait simply. How many mechanics can you afford to build within a year just to be sent to get destroyed?

the entire state sponsored economy is UK and USA inspired. Americans and Uk advise CCP industries to this day in corporate world. But yes using the jews is a fickle task, Cromwell is one helluva rabbit hole

He can revert to a command economy all he wants. It doesn’t solve the systemic problems and in fact can make them worse because command economies always obscure real market prices, which means misalignment between inputs and outputs. What happens when household consumption craters? Well, normally people would get laid off to meet lessened demand. A command economy might use public spending to pay those people, but there’s no surplus to fund it. You’re just pissing away money. That’s how economies collapse. It’s how the USSR collapsed.

Cromwell is one helluva rabbit hole

check out aaron of lincoln if you wanna go real old skool. plus the two very mysterious long nosed dutchmen that founded the EIC and then disappeared off the face of the Earth.

A possible outcome.
But how long did it take for the soviet union to collapse? How much effort did the USA have to expend just to try and contain them?

aaron of lincoln

right up my ally, and to be honest, one could construe the world is still the war of Guelphs and Ghibellines, albeit global. And the east India company is literally the apex of "corporate" "colony" legalese slavery the west is in. Will do

youre right but in theory, wouldnt the known variables here still benefit USA v a command economy. I mean china would need to project power into Moscow, something almost never been done, I mean assuming no alliance

this
archive.org/details/honourablecompan0000keay
is the book to read.
nice chatting wiv ya fella, c'ya on the battlefield.

Xi basically screwed Trump

You tell me...

The kikes really fucked over your minds. Hitler tried to save you faggots.

I'd say the current tech level changes the equations dramatically.
Could we see luxury automated communism with Chinese characteristics? Unlikely but I won't say impossible.
The Chinese are also starting from a paradoxically stronger and weaker position.
Stronger in terms of development. Weaker in terms of population.

There is no winner in trade wars only loser.
The question is how much will mutts blindly believe in better tomorrow.
Both China and USA will end up poorer after this.