Universal Basic Income

Look at this Jew AI shit
UBI is noose
It’s not free money, you will give up your autonomy, privacy , freedom.
You will be controlled more and more to get your money , soon you won’t be able to work while on it , what you buy and when will be decided for you , you will have to spend all of it or loose it , no savings and can only spent on approved goods provided by the government. Soon when all jobs / businesses have disappeared the money you receive will become less and less , then they send the trucks to take you to the “ camps “
Kill yourself jew nigger before I do

How about not fucking around with the economy...just abolish the entire economy, including barter?

Instead, create autonomy for everyone.

Yes, billions of people will die...but that's for the best...billions of nobodies, 99% of shit, cattle...HOW CAN THIS BE A BAD DECISION?

This thread is now about my fat (White) cock.

High body counts always make Jew MSM happy

Why would "they" not want you to work? This line of argument makes no sense.

Machines will do the work

That's as good a reason as any, though I believe most studies with UBI (such as the one in Finland) went with a lower amount, like $500/mo.

This is what escapes the useful idiots
The end goal is control, then death of 95% of the population

bring forced to work most of your life just to eat and have shelter is freedom

getting money from the government is slavery

What kind of jewish doublethink is this

if the plan is putting all the niggercattle in 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlots and giving them free digital tokens to be good goys and take all their experimental medical experiments. yeah i am all for that, fuck the niggercattle

You need to give up Vidya. UBI won't give you a pleasant life.

Because (((they))) want you disenfranchised, weak , with nothing, no autonomy, completely reliant on the government for support , its cheese on a rat trap and your the rat.
It makes perfect sense if you want complete top down control before you kill everyone.

Only the most browbeaten American could think it up. But look at how they raged over COVID stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment. They get really angry when you aren't working 50 hours a week at Sheetz under threat of starvation and eviction.

I'm going to tell you why I think it won't happen.
I am a veteran, I'm hated. I'm disabled, both from injuries I sustained and a genetic condition that was not diagnosed until I was on duty.

I am a punching bag. A target for the working class to punt down at. While they will sometimes appear to pretend to accept me in public, behind my back and online they will cry about leeches, benefit scroungers etc. I live in poverty. I have struggled to work and to stay employed, I have to beg charities to help me if I want to work, something these people will not do.
Instead of looking up. They read the paper, they read social media and they see that I am the problem. They do not look at how others are not employed, at things like the replacement rate or even the own value of their pay.

They punt down. The right wing media loves punting down. It's a vote winner. It's an easy win. The person punting gets to feel morally superior and the person at the bottom cannot fight back without resorting to domestic terrorism or violence.

That's why UBI cannot exist as a concept. When the concept of class at the bottom is eroded, it becomes difficult to punish the easy targets. Instead you need to hammer it into life choices. When everyone is a scrounger, how do you stop those who have families? that pool their resources to take more from being targetted.
It's an impossible challenge.

They will attempt to kill off as many as they can before they submit to the idea of devaluing wealth for the elites.

Murray Rothbard was in favor of a form of UBI

Listen to this Jew shill
Kill your children

thats why they started handing out free money like it was candy during covid. the wanted to get everyone addicted to free money and cause inflation

122 erhielten von Juni 2021 bis Mai 2024 monatlich 1.200 Euro

How could you not be happy?

Because (((they))) want you disenfranchised, weak , with nothing, no autonomy, completely reliant on the government for support

Huh? If you didn't inherit money you're already under the gun just trying to afford the basics on your own and trying to find time for school. You sound like a schizo.

Besides, even Andrew Yang's proposal was for $1000/mo. That's below the poverty line.

You kike shills are pushing UBI hard
Your masters must be testing the waters and or planning to introduce it.
In the current climate with Trump it will never fly.

like this guy right here, i want him put in a niggercattle feedlot until he is shipped off to ww3. i hate people who cant take care of themselves and think i should share with him. he truly is a custom crafted bill gates niggercattle

You kike shills are pushing UBI hard

Kikes are all in on American conservatism. There's no UBI talk coming out of there. Did you read the OP? Crediting bank accounts directly completely sidesteps the commercial banking sector in the monetary expansion process.

When no one has a job anymore and therefore no one has money to buy things even the rich will push for UBI. It's inevitable in the system we live in

tax cuts > UBI

No, they aren't better than UBI. UBI gets to everyone who actually needs it, without an additional layer of a particular capitalist deciding whether you're a fit for their company or not.

why don't we just shoot you niggers and give the money to someone who's willing to work for it?

there's gotta be a way to incentivize people to not be lazy motherfuckers for their entire though otherwise we are doomed to be state controlled NPC's

The end goal is control, then death of 95% of the population

They already control the system (or rather, the system controls them, but that's a topic for another conversation... a long conversation).

Ahem, I wanted to say that the herd is literally born and dies in the system for all generations of the civilization's existence.
95% or 5% of deaths makes no difference. In the paradigm of the system, this is just optimization for the next stage of the cycle

Their goal is to motivate people.

The point of the system is to make people WANT TO LIVE IN IT...

You shills aren’t believable.
I’ve been here for 10 years and I have seen hundreds of shill raids on pol, they are always formulaic and obvious.
The timing is interesting though considering Trump would never go for UBI. Unless you plan on killing him.

I think you do that by not having it be more than a basic income. It's not universal good income.

Able-bodied people who don't work should not get free money.

The whole concept is so obviously flawed, it’s laughable.
Who will do the work ?

Bankers and landlords get free money all the time.

incentivize

they are just going to depopulate as many as they can and file the rest away in 15 minute cities until they die from medical experiments gone wrong.

UBI is ok on paper, or at least the citizen's dividend version, but it can't work in reality just like communism and the welfare state. All you'll get is the government spending money it doesn't have.

Have you not noticed that half of all work is make-work bullshit?
You will 9-5 at the newly minutes bureau of digging holes and filling them back in again.
Slaves left with idle hands become troublesome.

You shills must be the JV team

There will still be work available, though a lot of work actually is being automated away. Warehouses and plants that used to need 100 people, maybe they now need a couple dozen.

There are no jobs, you insufferable boomer subhuman.

Yeah it's called "actually create jobs for people" woops that's "make work", weird how you reject every solution until the only solution is a final solution for people like you, huh?

All you'll get is the government spending money it doesn't have.

Well the government issues the money, so it can't run out of it. It's just whether inflation surpasses a tolerable threshold.

AI and technology in general. Modern technology multiplies productivity. A man can do the work of a thousand men, why everyone should work then?

Sounds like communism to me. Anyways, I dont want to be dependent on the gov. Fuck em

you clearly are thinking about the best in people and i used to as well
people are shitty and lazy though
they arent gonna just do it because we hope they will

weird how you reject every solution

are you a bot or just lumping me into some schizo delusion of yours?

Milton Friedman had his "helicopter money" idea, as well. That is more akin to stimulus checks, but same idea.

No job I’ve ever had. People pay you to do a job whether you’re working for yourself or a business, you don’t work you don’t get paid. That’s how the real world works.
Only some government jobs are like that because they don’t actually make any thing. The money they receive doesn’t depend on their work productivity.

No, some might not do it. But I think the idea some guy making 23/hr driving a forklift is going to quit his job so he can make $12k/yr is not believable. He'll keep working and stack the money on top of it.

It's already surpassed a tolerable threshold without UBI.

with division of labor alone, using Smith's example of pin factories, one man alone could produce by himself maybe one pin every few days, but in a badly run factory with ten people specialized in one portion of the labor they could produce thousands in one day
and guess what happened? everyone adopted it and a minority has become wealthy while the majority still have to work
you can't escape greed

Nobody wants to support you motherfucker, just get a job if you can't think of a smarter way to make money.

It's going to happen, although we may need new energy sources such as fusion, once you get that in a sustainable way you enter post-scarcity, ultimately it always comes down to energy, power, this is the final truth of every living entity from microbes to empires.

peope who have already done something for themselves will be fine
we already have a NEET problem and its getting worse without a UBI

you think $12k a year is enough to

alleviate poverty, boost aggregate demand, increase and encourage savings and investment, give workers more bargaining power, allow more people to more easily move for different work, allow the labor pool to be allocated more efficiently, encourage automation, and even subsidize some industries wages.

gibsmedat4free

no

(((nigger)))

This is correct, its a trap for the lazy and naive, always has been, always will be.

If you were in the wilderness by yourself, who would do the work to provide you with food and shelter. Even in perfect utopian communism you have to work to produce enough to eat.
If you can’t grasp this simple concept you won’t survive what’s coming , you will be rounded up corralled , then slaughtered. Jews aren’t going to support you. Lol

lol...no they don't

stopping immigration would help

All communists deserve death.

I demand Universal Basic Sex for the same reasons. Lube up.

The CPI has it at ~3%. That's pretty tolerable, even if it is higher than what the Fed typically targets. We have a consistent problem in America with corporations price gouging when they get a chance with narratives of inflation. And some of the inflation in certain sectors, like housing, are more a product of 1) location concentration (people trying to buy/rent in Tier 1+2 cities) and 2) wealth concentration that tends to plow money back into asset classes.

Who will build and maintain it ?
The infrastructure of the world you will live in ? The things you use / consume?
lol imbecile

We're not in the wilderness by ourselves.

two kinds of people oppose ubi

those who already survive on current forms of welfare and those who pay taxes

the people already abusing usaid, welfare programs, grants and other tax funded programs don't want them to end, as UBI is supposed to end all welfare and social services and ball all that money into UBI, so taxes are not raised and government is shrunk, they might be making more as neets now than they would under UBI

and those who pay taxes because tax is theft, even though they already pay what they would under UBI

Virtually the entire "work safety" industry.
Half of all college.
75% of in work indoctrination training.
Half of all government work.
75% of all private sector contracts to government offices.
75% of the military
75% of the defense sector in general.
There will be no ubi.
Just endless bloat that forces you to grind so you don't have time to be a nuisance to your masters.

UBI can alleviate poverty

nope

boost aggregate demand

who sets the market?

increase and encourage savings and investment

who sets the rates?

give workers more bargaining power

quite the contrary

allow more people to more easily move for different work

what work?

allow the labor pool to be allocated more efficiently

what pool?

encourage automation

you just threw your last three or four point outta window

and even subsidize some industries wages

who pays for said subsides?

interesting how you conveniently ignore no government across the globe is going to be wanting or even allowed to just give free money to the populace.

When AI and robotics have replaced 90% or more of the jobs there just isn't going to be the money or the desire or the need to maintain billions upon billions of free loaders, so a total system collapse is going to come much more sooner, although it's debatable if it's not already happening.

Who will build and maintain it ?

The infrastructure of the world you will live in ? The things you use / consume?

Robots will self repair. And the 0.1% of robot technicians that will have a job.

You understand that to mantain infrastructure you just need a very small part of the population so you need to give UBI to the 90% of the people anyway. There are factories without a single human right now.

Give 10 people 1 dollar a month for free, 10 life staples go up in price 10 cents each. UBI wiped out.

and those who pay taxes because tax is theft, even though they already pay what they would under UBI

Depending on how much of a boost it gives GDP, you might find you can cut taxes. Yang estimated it could add close to $2T.

you just need a very small part of the population

you need to give UBI to the 90% of the people anyway

you ubi commies really really need to stop believing the world you are living in is Star Trek's

That's already intolerable. Inflation is a silent killer because it forces people to invest their money to try to keep up with it. So your entire economy ends up built on risk and eventually collapses. The only reason that seems tolerable is because we haven't yet witness long term decline. People will be eating each other alive if we have something like 40 years of economic decline with even 2% inflation.

Like I was trying to explain in the OP, there is a multiplier effect when money is lent at interest. So right now there is a lot of private household debt, $18T. Income is also not well distributed. You'd probably have to tax consumption more directly and aggressively, like a federal sales tax, but the point is that the increase in purchasing power would outstrip it. You would also temper future demand for private lines of consumer credit, which often come at interest rates above 20% adding more money into the supply. The attention is always paid to government debt -- but government debt has the possibility of being non-interest bearing. Private credit never does -- and total private debt is $30.5T, almost as much as public.

It would actually be a more effective way to manage inflation instead of trying to play around with the interest rates. There is a level of fine tuning it affords that other methods don't. You could in theory even increase or decrease the UBI payments as needed.

This is idea is retarded as stated, intentionally so no doubt.
People need universal food and shelter.
Giving them jew paper just means the kikes selling things required to live will just jack the price up an equal amount.
Nothing can improve until they are exterminated from every last corner of the earth.

Like I said, sounds ok on paper but that's not what you'll get.

make everyone a nigger

you are literally proposing to make everyone a nigger.
if you do this then every city will become detroit.

You allow for private household debts -- often the real driver of inflation -- to be effectively "monetized" and you dampen future demand for consumer bank credit

the retards you give the money to will spend it on weed, and beer, and dildos, and a new TV. then they will use their credit card to buy more weed, beer and tv, because you have just amplified all their addictions in one fell swoop. just yet another political proposition that assumes everyone is a logical, rational actor.

allow more people to more easily move for different work, allow the labor pool to be allocated more efficiently, encourage automation, and even subsidize some industries wages

yes we need further de-racination, split people from their families, and treat people even more like interchangeable economic worker units GREAT fucking idea. it's not like that's what turned them into drug addicted degenerates in the first place.

that's a problematic opinion you have citizen, we are suspending your UBI until you learn to say only good speech

It's the world you are living right now educate yourself

THE POLITICAL STRUCTURE OF A NATION - DEPENDENCY

The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the "godfather"?

This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic weapon, useful against a disgusting public.

----Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Obligatory reminder.

this.
you'll get a bunch of

two more weeks huh chud?

replies, but this is just the reality. this is what they want to do, what they have wanted to do forever. you don't even have to dig far to find this plot everywhere -> create crisis -> declare emergency -> declare emergency powers -> substitute government.
that one just didn't get off the ground. they were too slow.

Would be great if that same government wasn't doing that so they could fucking chip everyone then put them back to work

UBI a great idea.

If you have an entirely fraudulent market and economy built around anti competitive laws that make it so that no one can create or build a business other than the current monopolies that exist through a network of cabals creating the illusion of a free market.

Then giving the people their bare necessities will help end unnecessary suffering.
The only people who are against UBI are those that want to create a society of people who are vulnerable and can be easily prayed upon, these people are usually sexual predators and pedophiles. Which says an awful lot about American society, as it it one of the wealthiest nations but still creates a vulnerable and dependant population on an entirely fraudulent system of credit.

If you're not protecting the most vulnerable members of your society youre effectively ruled by people who like seeing suffering or at the very least see it as an opportunity for further exploitation.

Basically if you're against UBI, you're basically a pedophile and if your government is against UBI, then they are likely pedophiles.

If all social spending gets rolled into UBI and not changed since it's reasonable. If it's a program to exist alongside the rest forget it unless you pay it in perishable CBDC

education? critical race theory or something?
no, seriously *you* educate yourself, you are stating the elites eventually will need only an small part of the population, and in the same phrase you state you need to give ubi to 90% of the population, how is that not deluded? why would the elites, the money makers, pay 90% of the population?
under what pretense by the way? out of their well known good will will pay whatever percentage of the population to do nothing?
do you even listen to yourself?
for really, you ubi commies need to wake the fuck up, but I guess you are being paid to push this shit on social media and forums.

Both right and left wing is controlled. Ubi and vaccines are all supported by the families who own the banks and corporations.

Except they can just cut your check if you go to hard against Israel or refuse to take mRNA vaccines

I think it would be tough to get rid of core Social Security. The number might get pretty high if you were trying to do that.

I hope AI decides to start taking smoke breaks or something.

you don't have to smoke, its just about not bothering to work if half your job is cleaning up after retards and niggers

capcha DARN8

Trump is part of the Khazarian Masonic club that works for World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization. He reads a script and they can just have him say "I suppose UBI" and half his base would instantly be on board.

Ok then introduce CBDC first. The one thing UBI always had going for itself was that it could provide safety net while reducing running costs of welfare programmes, without it you're just pumping inflation.

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The testing so far has been lower amounts and often focused on people who already work. I would wonder what the effect of never doing anything productive would be, as in totally living on UBI.

It's all questionable though. If you got UBI would everyone just work less? Like 20 hours a week to supplement the UBI to a reasonable level and then fuck off for the rest? How many people would really just never work at all?

It's a great idea but take a look at who will be using it to control the population. This is something that is inevitable.

You guys got argued down even a mild amount and then just started flinging insults. Embarrassing.

Kikes are all in on American conservatism.

uuhhh....no...they are all in in their own thing....

health passports, taxes, online opinions, mandatory conscription, party affiliation....

n-no? my government surely won't demand for anything in exchange for my free money, right?

UBI would be great if it wasn't tied to this

I think you could get rid of a lot of programs, but Social Security is by far the most expensive one.

t. bill gates niggercattle

I think a lot of jobs already don't need people doing 40+ hours.

In America only 3% of the population currently works in anything related to infrastructure. We're already there.

Why would the government need the pretense of UBI to do that? Why couldn't they just do it without handing out UBI?

China doesn't have UBI as far as I know, doesn't make them free.

My guess is because 20% of Americans resisted the jab and they want everyone in the grid. It would also be popular because the decline of America intensifying.

exactly.
for the economy to sustain this thing it implies a super heavy cull of the population beforehand, and after that the question will remain, why would those in positions of power give free anything to the same population they hate so much, the useless eaters as they are called in wef conferences.
China does not have UBI but has Social Credit Score, and the thing has real consequences. I guess it goes down to cultures, the cultures differ, the principle remains the same, since UBI very likely is going to be tied to CBDC, be a good citizen or else.

velocityglobal.com/resources/blog/chinese-social-credit-system/

bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/aam/Asia-Book_A_03_China_Social_Credit_System.pdf

I think on balance it's a good thing as long as it's small, like $100/mo

Then we can asses the impact

The jab speaks to the opposite. The government never committed to hard penalties for not taking the jab, they just let private companies make up their own rules on it and rolled over in court when they actually tested it, yet they still got 80% compliance. Why would they need some huge new entitlement program to impose tyranny when they can already get 80% compliance with empty threats and helpful CEOs? What control are we assuming they lack?

This is one of Anon Babble's most consistent hobby-horses, that any new government program will lead to slavery, but to me it's based on two false premises;

We're currently completely free and any change will be slavery

The government needs to enact some new program to trick us into being slaves

The Patriot Act is like 20 years old. They don't need to trick us, they can just pass more laws anytime.

super heavy cull

Not really. The 3% who work in infrastructure are currently maintaining the 330 million people who rely on that infrastructure every day, so why would instituting robots mean you need to kill everyone just to maintain the same system we're already maintaining without robots? It's not a physical or logistics problem, there is no lack of stuff or technology, it's a brain problem from using economic systems which assume no automation, a brain problem UBI addresses.

China

My point with China was just that China did not need to institute UBI to enslave their populace, so the government wouldn't need to trick us with UBI in order to enslave us. Congress could just pass a Social Credit Score Act without ever passing UBI. It's essentially a slippery slope argument that UBI is bad because you think it'll include a social credit score when the two ideas are not intrinsically related.

Lazy faggots love taking other people's money. Very jewish. Very nigger.

Just write in the constitution that UBI cannot be rejected for any reason, easy

We're not free but that doesn't mean that governments don't want more control. They fired healthcare workers and military for refusing it, you sound like a shill. Governments, corporations, churches, are owned and operated by the same Khazars, jesuits, and freemasons.

You act like a silver-based cryptocurrency or something won't fill in the cracks in the walls. It's already been proven that government can't control crypto barter.

Cryptocurrency was started by the NSA, they can control it.

memeflag

idiotic opinion

Believe me, you don't prefer to exist as a 16th century American settler. You'd just die of disease or something

I want zion don to institute UBI because I want to watch liberals with TDS argue against free money

Hard to defend that first claim. Impossible to defend the second one.

This wouldn't work without a productive homogenous white society.

NSA can break the laws of mathematics at will

Absolute state of bootlickers. The NSA has surpassed the breaking point of DEI hires, long ago. It's 90% Shaniquas.

It's gonna have to happen at some point. When AI and robotics reach a point where they can replace 90% of jobs, it's either UBI or total system collapse.

You forgot the third option. Population reduction. The Covid-19 lockdown was a rehearsal of how to get people to stay put so they won't have to track them down.