As expected, the union of spineless cowards and cucks called the EUSSR has taken the knee in fear of Trump's further actions.
EU TAKES THE KNEE AND CHICKENS OUT
Get fucked Europoors.
Hey, Russians, let's gangbang their women. What do you say? Let Russo-American trains run over ALL OF THEIR WOMEN!
Who voted for her?
Trump skedaddled first albeit.
They already offered him exactly what he wanted - zero tariffs - and he refused. Not entirely clear what he even wants from the EU at this point.
Her blue blooded ancestors and ((()))
The same people who voted for the rest of the EU. No-one.
He talks about non-tariff trade barriers every time anon. You're just not paying attention.
Mutts already bent at took the knee. It's over. They cucked out.
He treats shit like VAT as a tariff too. Ours is 29% btw
There are no non-tariff trade barrier. This is just made up nonsense by Pete Navarro, or should I say, his fictional alter-ego Ron Vara
Noooo, you should just start the trade war you did not want by yourself instead!
lol
Bump b4 the EU needs to face the sweet chin music
What do you mean taken the knee? Trump is the one who backed down first, and therefore the EU backed down in response. Consider it a 90 day trade war cease fire. Nobody is bending any knees yet.
VAT is not a tariff because it applies to local goods too and doesn't disadvantage imports compared to local goods. Treated VAT as a tariff is dumb af
yes but it makes the number on the chart biggerer
that teeth
Why do you fags just lie constantly?
Trump didn't back down, kek.
Have you even read the Art of the Deal?
Of course mot, because you're most probably too dumb.
Trump swerved first.
Anon can you read?
It was a gay magazine
Apparently I'm reading fake news.
So right now US tariffs are 10% and the EUs are 2.5% ?
Trump doesnt really need to change that.
Because non-trade barriers are just made up bullshit to provide very thin justification for applying tariffs Trump was always planning on applying.
Ironically the US tariffs EU flatbed trucks but you never hear about how the US is tariffing EU unfairly to protect their own domestic car industry.
Trump literally removed the tariffs bro. Are you retarded? No tariffs, nothing to retaliate.
imagine getting €17,000 per month and not fixing your ugly-ass teeth.
Trump is still tariffing the world at 10% for no apparent reason. And China at 125%.
who said anything about a non-trade barrier? Trump is complaining about trade barriers.
Trump has Isreal's cock in his ass and is suckingnoff the EU.
Was he surprised the factories didn't come back in a week? Kek
Ahh yes chatgpt the source of fake news.
Ironically the US tariffs EU flatbed trucks but you never hear about how the US is tariffing EU unfairly to protect their own domestic car industry.
I hope both sides drop all these silly regulations.
EU invites negotiations for 0 for 0 tariffs
Orange barks about Europe paying reparations
Orange get slapped with retaliatory tariffs
Orange cucks out and pauses for 90 days
No deal. No nothing.
Art of the cuck. It's over. Nothing more humiliating than cucking out. Europe responding to his cuckdom is just formalities.
The people that voted for the EU parlament members
He's talking about non-tariff trade barriers which are made up bullshit. He accused Australia of banning US beef imports as a 'non-tariff trade barrier' when it's not even true.
He didn't even bother to check if US beef was banned before making accusations (it isn't). You elected a guy who doesn't even bother to do basic research before repeating wrong shit on international television.
abc.net.au
Now you're the one who can't read, lol.
EU already offered to drop every tariff in exchange for the US dropping every tariff and Trump won't do it. He's not serious about free trade.
The EU works about the same way as the Chinese communist party. The EU commission voted for her. And then you may ask who voted for the EU commission. It's the euro parliament, composed of the politician rejects from all the EU countries so they get euro gibs.
ABC
Not a valid source.
You seem confused anon. I suggest you back out of this argument as you will get thrashed. Just act like your country on tariffs.
trade barriers are made up bullshit
Incorrect.
refused 0:0
what exactly is there to negociate? snow white tanking
The EU must die for Europe to live.
i think its funny how people keep trying to spin this in that america is completely incompetent. just nothing but stupid assholes making constant bad decisions. its like, nigga.. les be real for a moment. y'all are getting played. and they did it by thinking many steps ahead. you refuse to give them the credit they deserve, and thats exactly why you keep getting played. your lack of respect makes it easier.
the fact none of you seem to realize how A.I. is playing a role behind the scenes is very telling. looks like we're all getting played.. more or less. they can run all sorts of simulations based on current data which can predict this or that and what to do next. oh China is gonna react this way? thats fine because we can quickly and automatically deduce what to do in response to their responses. this shit is on autopilot despite there probably being plenty of intelligent "engineers" on hand who are also capable of deducing wise choices.
Here, educate yourself.
en.m.wikipedia.org
I don't read commie ramblings.
Of course it is, it has a direct quote from the Australian government in there, which is the most authoritative source you can find
The Australian Department of Agriculture has confirmed there is no ban on importing United States beef.
"Import conditions into Australia are currently available for beef products sourced from cattle born, raised and slaughtered in the United States (US)," a department statement read.
uhhhh it's just not bullshit ok!?
great argument, very convincing
It is and always was to trap China in a currency devalue spiral. Either they can trade with the US and get slapped with 125%, or they can try the offloading scheme and still have to pay the offloading country extra to make up for 10% tariff, as well as being in a weaker position to bargain with said states on prices due to said 125% tariff. China's only option is to basically kill their plans of turning into a consumer nation to supplant the US and to go back to the 80's where every Chinese is a factory slave. This is going to cause massive pain in China as they already have a big youth unemployment and underemployment crisis from forcing Gen X and millenial Chinese to go to schooling.
If EU suspending tariffs means they chickened out, doesn't that mean that Trump chickened out first?
like I said, educate yourself
en.m.wikipedia.org
Gibs. He said so himself.
Not like this!
they can try the offloading scheme and still have to pay the offloading country extra to make up for 10% tariff
Why would China have to pay the other country 10% extra? There is no tariff between China and other countries because China actually respects free trade agreements
after blumpfs u-turn
I know reading ain't the burgers strongest suit, but holy shit you're beyond illiterate.
I just illustrated to you why non-tariff trade barriers are made up. Trump claims US beef being banned is a non-tariff trade barrier and it's not even true. All Trump's non-tariff trade barriers are just made up nonsense that don't withstand even the slightest bit of scrutiny
China got played like a fiddle.honestly I expected better from them the EU cronies were just ripe for retardation playing.
You thought I accused chatgpt of being fake news. That's not what I said or meant. I said I could have read fake news on my own.
Trump did pause the 20% vs the EU, and it's down to the 10% blanket. That's why EU is backing down their retaliatory plans to make a new plan, whatever that is.
Nah, you just pitched a fit crying that trade barriers aren’t real or some shit.
Typical retard behavior.
Who is this vile woman with her vile teeth? Nobody voted for her!
im officially inciting to kill this ugly kike cunt
muh glownigger
you do it all the time with trump and putin
China has 180 other countries it trades with to distribute their surplus goods over. Meanwhile the US is becoming increasingly trade isolated and has very few trade partners or allies remaining
Nope, ABC is not a valid source, it's the enemy. Post a valid source.
I heard it was only dropping tariffs on stuff they sell to the US not the other way around.
But I was talking about regulations. The EU and US should drop every regulation.
Thanka for the (You), cuck.
No problema, cuck.
"There may be a feeling from some producers or companies in the US that Australia is banning US beef, but there's no ban in place," said Robyn Alders, a veterinary scientist at the Australian National University.
dw.com
Trump's people didn't even bother to research this before repeating this falsehood for several days to the international media. Jamieson Greer was still repeating it yesterday
youtube.com
current president does Trump & Dump on american stock market letting him and his buddies enrich themselves by buying the dip and selling at peak when Trump says he's "suspending the tariffs"
EU: oh so that was a joke? alright we're axing the tariffs too
Anon Babbletards: EU CVCKED OUT HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
why are you like this?
Of course you don't, because you have no arguments against it. Sticking your head in the sand pretending Trump is a based trad alpha male while he bends over won't change the fact you're a cuck.
It’s a trade barriers, not a ban.
Why do you fags continue to play word games. It’s not working.
And most countries don't flip on a switch like our retard. The EU was still working out their response to the steel tariffs when trump started up this most recent round. So just because a country is still willing to trade with us today doesn't mean they're not going to begin pulling away from us to whatever extent they can. But spastic retards are now conditioned to expect everything to happen overnight and are incapable of considering how this shit is going to affect the US 10 years from now.
has taken the knee in fear of Trump's further actions.
lmao you guys are insane
Trump demands the EU taked the chlorine blasted chicken and Frankenstein Monsanto shit
'No'
everything goes back to how it was before
Trump supporters call it 4D chess and move on to the next thing
No the initial 25% was on steel and aluminum and is still there.the base 10% is there as well.
Trump claims US beef being banned is a non-tariff trade barrier and it's not even true.
How is it not
Everyone is looking for other trade partners right now and looking how to cut their dependency to the US, so it can't be used against them.
A big issue is also Trump is threatening to seize and ransom back investments in the US by sovereign wealth funds like Norway. Australia might be next, because we also have a large amount invested in the US (over 600bn). So everyone will be figuring out how to withdraw their investments from the US without angering the orange one.
Sure but now you're splitting hairs and nitpicking and I'm not sure what you're even arguing about.
Trump initiated the pause, which means the tariffs were cut in half. With few exceptions. And in response the EU backed down their retaliation.
It wouldn't make sense for the EU to go through with retaliations after Trump just lowered his tariffs.
Can't. You can try though.
US beef is not banned in Australia. The US has been allowed to export here since 2005, nobody does though because we have a surplus of high-quality beef here already and trawling it 10000 miles is expensive and pointless.
Trump is claiming US beef is banned here and he is lying.
thats the most retarded bait thread i have seen all week, try harder. probably the same old discord clowns
who cares drump will delay this whole shit for a year anyway
Needs an AI to construct arguments for you
lmao how pathetic
You are ignoring key words in there for ome reason. Pause on NEW tariffs. The argument is you either get it right or I will correct you. You aren't getting it right. Whether on purpose or not I am unsure of
Thinks I want to write lengthy paragraphs showing you are a retard every thread
Rather just grab and go.
talking to americanos is a waste of time, half of them act like fucking cultists now. everyone already knew americans arent that smart but then they elected orange clown TWICE, a feat from which their reputation will never recover. Trump and his jew gang is draining the stock market with their manip meanwhile you get cultists defending all that as 4d chess, its hilarious to watch
The argument is that the EU is much more dependent on the US than the opposite. EU cucks have no leverage anymore. Hopefully this will mark the end of this bureaucratic and corrupt system.
using that flag while calling others cucks. its like a black person saying nigger
Jew
EU is much more dependent on the US than the opposite.
you can turn off your vpn. if you were european you would know there are barely any american products in our market. you think we will collapse because zippo lighters are more expensive now?
It's funny when ai locks you in a corner where you can't argue anything so you just seethe like a little bitch.
i didnt read a single word of your a.i. shit, why would i? talk to me like a human.
the people who drop wiki links and proclaim they won the argument are usually the lowest iq people, thats you right now, but even worse with a.i.
You kneel to niggers and you kneel to Europe. That's the fate of the Ameriumutt. Try not to cuck out next time.
Kek. I don't even need to argue with you I have the ai beat you up.you can't say anything in retaliation to it either.
All I've said is both sides are de-escalating. Which they are. You're just arguing because you enjoy arguing.
Fucking cucks. I wanted to see the judeo system crash. Only Xi seems to have any balls in this world.
talk to me like a human
It can't. ainiggers aren't human.
No you are purposefully ignoring facts for some reason. Most of the euros nowadays do that. It shows.
I was watching Bloomberg News last night. This female Chinese analyst for China came on and said that the reason why trade talks are failing is because China negotiates from the low man up to the president and America has to figure out a deal that will hundred percent work for China before low level delegates will bring it to Xi, lmao! That’s the peasant cop in China, “Trump Is it negotiating right for our system and culture!” Fucking kek
what fact is that?
You understood the exact opposite of what I was implying. We are dependent on our exports towards the US, meanwhile the US exports barely any manufactured goods towards Europe. They could put the reciprocal tariffs at 200% and it would barely inconvenience them, but it would kill the European industry and agriculture.
muh VPN
It's hard to believe that some people have differing opinions than yours when you live in a cult, I know.
Pause hasn't occurred. Your 10% tariff is now the new norm. You accept that as the new norm. 20% still hits the industries it originally hit with no pause. Europe is at a point where they will have to make concessions as the Zero to zero tariff free trad was not accepted. This is clearly de-escalation this is the eu being put in a headlock.
lagarde threatened to kill visa& mastercard. europe is building their own rockets. the bundeswehr is launching their own satellites. data protection laws are encroaching on us tech companies. digitalization efforts in the eu will favour open source tech over us. uschi wants to remove trade barriers in europe, diversify trade away from the us and make investments in europe more attractive. rearmeu will favour eu mic, the americans already had a public meltdown over this. of course they are insufferable buerocrats and everything will take forever and cost 10 times what it should, but they have been decoupling from the US for quite some time. they just make less of a spectacle out of it
Pause hasn't occurred.
Here's your own president calling it a 90 day pause: youtu.be
Now shut the fuck up.
I did. You lost zigger.
Most of the euros nowadays do that. It shows.
The eurocultists are in full cope mode. You should see our MSM, they're all hysterical.
The whole world is now getting a pointless 10% tariff which is just the motivation everyone needs to find other trading partners that aren't so inexplicably hostile. The US is going to be extremely isolated by the end of this year and have very few trading partners left.
hello again bitchhands . you feel bad about not being while so you have this folder of banal garbage to try and deflect it, and its hilarious to watxh
Still here? Wow, someone's a little upset.
8 more months until the US is isolated!
You said this during Trump’s last term.
I read it, it's mostly about his personal life really.
(a practicing witch)
Trump wasn't tariffing everyone last time, only China. This time he's tariffing the entire planet and offering no way to negotiate an exemption, so obviously trading with the US is a problem now that everyone has to solve. Donald is penalizing everyone who tries to trade with the US, so the obvious solution is to stop trading with the US.
Something to do while eating.
The offloading scheme is for China to sell their products to a country for cheap, and then to have that country rebrand those products as from them instead of china to avoid duties and tariffs. Usually, the two countries would then split the amount gotten in the sale of those imports favoring china. By charging other countries at 10%, China is forced to account for that in the price of the products they sell to the country they are trying to offload to. The only way China can do this is either to devalue their currency or to give more in the share of the sale to the offloading country. Said offloading country is also going to twist China's arm by demanding the products come in cheaper and getting more profit, as knowledge of China's 125% tariff gives the offloading country an extreme advantage.
Basically, this is what happened to Russian oil after the mass sanctions were put on it. China and India twisted Russia's arm into providing them with lower-than-dirt cheap gas/oil so that they can then sell to Europe, causing the value of Russian oil to plummet to hell.
I thought you said he bitched out on tariffing everyone?
so the obvious solution is to stop trading with the US.
Lmfao
Or maybe it will be a bit of everything, some industries will transfer the cost to the customers, some others will bring back the factories to the US, some will import via other countries, and some will switch completely to other countries. Not everything has to be black and white.
There's no reason China can't just redirect the exports to be sold to other markets instead. There's no reason to keep selling to the US through third party countries.
What does the US make that is unique and can't be replaced by other countries? Video games perhaps? Social media? That's about it
If other markets had the capacity to buy their goods, they’d already be shipping them.
The fact of the matter is that China can’t easily replace the US market. That makes you chinks seethe lmao.
China hasn't had any need to look for other markets to export to until now. It's similar to how Canada just sold in the US because it was convenient, not because they had no other options. Now that Canada no longer wants to sell in the US, they have the EU, China, UK, NZ and Australia to export to instead, filling the gap.
other trade partners
Problem is that the US is by in far the number 1 consumer with China at a tepid number 2 and number 3 being leagues away from both. Too many players are tied directly with the US and getting new partners to pick up the pace will take decades at minimum, and that is even if the economic pain that America can cause on a whim doesn't affect them. The world is in a "sins of the father" situation where the greed of boomers and Gen X around the world basicslly made the US an all powerful economic god that can't be stopped for the next 200 years
Or maybe, you needed comfort food after letting an entire thread make a fool put of you? Yeah, that must it be. You do you.
Bullshit, they’ve been looking for anyone to dump their cars on. We’ve had tariffs on them for years.
Why u no have popular initiatives and referendums?
getting new partners to pick up the pace will take decades at minimum
This is silly, you can switch over immediately to other partners. US isn't even a very important trade partner for us. China can just focus on South East Asia like we have and do extremely well. Perhaps not as well as before, but no reason to grovel to the US.
Trump suspends tariffs for 90 days
ART OF THE DEAL MIGA MIGA MIGA
EU suspends tariffs for 90 days
AHAHAHA ONLY A KEK WOULD SUSPEND THEIR TARIFFS THEY BEND THE KNEE
miga sisters...explain yourself
And now they're dumping them on us and that's fine. They're better made than American cars and far cheaper. Not as good as European car, but far better priced.
I've said nothing wrong.
Also it's hard to be upset when I'm on your side. I don't like the EU and I want tariffs gone. I can only assume you're shitposting because you're bored.
there is no reason why they can't redirect
Except they actually can't. Ports are extremely complicated thing and you can't just drive a ship there and dump. You need an years long decades to build up the capacity to do so as well as constant negotiations to make sure their are people their to get the items, to buy the items, to sell the items, and to house the items. China can't just go to someone else because no other else has built themselves up enough, and by the time they are built up China will be in a extremely weak position due to their currency devaluing to nothing. Can't pay for a new port with wheel barrels
These ports already exist. Do you think other countries don't have massive ports built already and only the US has ports of this size? Vancouver Port is massive and can easily receive Chinese goods and export Canadian goods to China. Australia has several massive ports.
Exactly, they overreached in one generation like their ancestors warned them not to
So you admit that they’ve already found other trade partners, which means there are so destinations for the excess product that China is no longer selling to the US.
You’re one dumb ass motherfucker lmao. You keep flip flopping all over the place.
the US is by in far the number 1 consumer
Because we print money. The money we spend everywhere doesn't come from us producing anything of value. The entire global economy and the US's place in it is currently built on "trust me bro". And the shit trump is doing is destroying that trust.
And China already sells as much as they can to you. You’re not going to absorb the excess product they now have due to tariffs from the US.
That's why the best defense is offense. The shock and awe effect makes everyone else in a hurry to find a quick agreement. I don't know if it will work but it's obvious why Trump did it that way. On top of that he's in a hurry because he only has 2 years before the mid terms, after that he has no guarantee to be able to keep doing his reforms.
all those Asian countriws
China already burnt too many bridges with most of them, and they see this tarrifs as opportunities to screw over China. You think China will get any favorable deals when people know that they Need them to get out of 125% tariffs? The problem is that China can't go to new partners because they do not have anything to offer them at the prices China wants.
China was never selling cars to the US because your government is afraid of the competition to your domestic car industry. The cars weren't redirect from the US to Australia, they were never being sold in the US in the first place. Try to keep up captain spastic
China already burnt too many bridges with most of them
Yeah no. They already announced a new trade bloc last week, formed out of mutual hatred of Trump. Trump actually managed to bring Japan, South Korea and China together, something most people thought was impossible
Anon, that’s exactly my point. They were planning to sell their cars in the US and then we blocked them. Now they have tons of extra cars to sell and no markets to buy them all.
You don’t seem to understand that China saturates every trade partner they deal with. There is no room in their existing trade network to soak up the excess supply that is resulting from the tariffs.
China manufacturers will sell less product due to these tariffs, and there is no way to alleviate this.
On top of that he's in a hurry because he only has 2 years before the mid terms, after that he has no guarantee to be able to keep doing his reforms.
He’s doing this without congress. The law gives the President wide latitude to do tariff stuff. But that’s why he has to make all these formal declarations of unfair play. He can’t just set tariffs on his own but if the President determines someone is doing some unfair practice he can retaliate without congress
You're arguing like you know anything about the local economies of the countries you're talking about. Chinese cars aren't remotely saturated in Australia. They're sending over small quantities at the moment to test the waters before ramping up exports. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing this everywhere right now. They haven't remotely saturated the appetite for purchasing here. You're just talking shit without any knowledge of the reality on the ground
The law gives the President wide latitude to do tariff stuff
It only gives him the right to set 25% maximum tariffs and only for a limited period. All the stuff he's doing at the moment with China is illegal - 125% tariffs cannot be set unilaterally by the president without congressional approval, but congress is allowing it for some reason
soirce:Chinese state media
The Chinese state media constantly lies about what is happening. If this 'bloc' was forming, why did JP and SK immediately betray China to not only negotiate with the US on trade, but also to accept more US military to defend against China And for Japan to ask for NATO role? Face it, China lied for propaganda and got exposed
Lol, dont you read the news, Trump paused his tariffs first, EU responded in turn. Braindead slovenian
The problem is that hie basically demands that we must lower our standards so that inferior mutt products could even be sold here.
The source is the Japan Times, Japans oldest and largest newspaper, you dumb piece of shit. You could have googled this before embarrassing yourself
japantimes.co.jp
Anon, China currently has a ton of supply sitting in their nation waiting to be shipped and sold.
That wouldn’t be the case if they had trade partners that had the capacity to purchase these goods.
China simply doesn’t have any partners available to buy up the excess goods they now have to sell elsewhere due to the tariffs with the US.
for some reason
Because of the republican majority, that was my point.
And they are sourcing the Chinese state media, who are the ones who broke that propaganda story. Reuters did the same thing
That’s just an excuse by your EU masters. For instance, the EU VAT acts like a trade barrier and it has nothing to do with standards.
This. Cheeto dipshit talked big and then blinked first. So much for anyone kissing his ass lol.
Japanese Government literally issued a statement confirming it. How are you this fucking dumb man
Japan was the one dumping US bonds.
25% is nothing
Japan warned the US they would do this last Thursday and Trump ignored it. Japan is the largest holder of bonds at $1.1tn. Fuck around find out
Sure, if that makes you sleep better.
Trump backing down right after the EU announced the 25% was the "art of the deal" and he just knew the EU was going to do this.
He really got what he wanted.
Can't believe he played the world like this, American companies are sure going to see a revival in manufacturing now that parts from China doubled in price and literally any other country in the world, that generally has lower wages too can get them at the old price or lower, and US importers only have to pay 10% tariffs.
That said, a weak US isn't great for the EU too, we still would prefer the US as an ally, just not as a boss.
The number on the chart however was purely derived from the deficit in goods, with a lower bound of 10%
that has been explained everywhere in the past week.
That's not how European elections work.
You don't vote, you're just haded the one that can lie the most convincingly to the other countries..
Exactly. The EU government , aka commusion is picked by the EU Parliament, as long as I know.
Anyone who says otherwise gets investigated for Russian collusion.
All products here have VAT nigger, nothing stopping people from buying your imports except inferior quality.
Wow no way, the speaker of the European Commission is elected in the same way as the speaker of the house is elected in the US.
cool, can we now focus on what actually happened.
Japan was dumping bonds!
Whatever makes you comfortable. Them dumping their bonds hurt them more than it hurt the US. Again you can't explain them running immediately to the US to negotiate, kneeling to the US military, and then kneeling to NATO all at the same time as them "dumping" bonds. You can cope as you want.
Speaker of the US house is still elected though, not some random person given their spot. You are confusing the speaker of the house with a presidential appointment of a secretary
China has 180 other countries it trades with to distribute their surplus goods over.
They are too poor to buy the cheap chink shits. VERY THIN MARGIN for the chink sellers.
All products here have VAT
They shouldnt.
Taxation is immoral.
Why are you this dumb man? Trump rolled back the tariffs solely because Japan was dumping bonds and spiking the interest rate, making it so the US would be unable to pay their annual interest payments on the national debt. Japan asked for their 24% tariffs to be dropped in exchange for not dumping bonds and Trump refused, so this is what happens. Bond markets were the entire reason Trump cucked on reciprocal tariffs and it was caused by Japan.
Wow no way, the speaker of the European Commission is elected in the same way as the speaker of the house is elected in the US.
Not really.
All the people who Trump appoints had to be individually voted on.
In the EU, its an all or nothing vote. You either have to approve all of them or none.
Explain to me how it is a trade barrier.
Because a US company needs to charge both sales tax and VAT when trading with a EU company?
Explain to me how it is a trade barrier.
When you send stuff to teh EU you have to pay 20% extra for no reason at all.
Guys, Trump managed to cancel a 25% (retaliatory) tariff!!! the EU truly cucked out! Art of the Deal!
I-IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BONDS!
This cope is hilarious and a desperate attempt to minimize the embarrassment from China in getting caught in another tariff scheme that Trump did in his first term.
Blackrock
When you send things to TN you have to pay 10% extra "for no reason at all".
It's being reported by the entire global media you mentally challenged fucking moron bbc.com
independent.co.uk
Don't even try, they are coping and sneeding hard. They have to tell themselves that they are number one and their beef is strong. What we actually saw were the limits of US power. Now give me your hilarious art of the deal copes amerifats.
EU realized that they were tieing themselves to china if they retaliated, so they soft canceled them while they and Trump probably make a "deal" where Europe buys slightly more shit, lower some of their taxes, gets a payday to compensate for those lower taxes, and then negotiates minor tariffs for both sides.
Right trying to explain how it was totally based that Trump cucked out on global tariffs after only a week
Except all companies in the EU also have to pay that. So in that regard it's a level playing field.
And it's only 20-ish % for the things that are in the high VAT bracket.
How is a 3 phase engine from the US paying a 21%VAT upon sale or a 3-phase engine from the EU paying a 21% VAT upon sale a trade barrier?
THE GLOBAL MEDIA IS SAYING THAT
You mean the same copers who claimed that China, JP, and SK were in some big deal, never said what the deal is, and then JP and SK immediately after ran to the US for favorable trade and military protections from China? You think people who got bamboozled by the exact same Trump tariff strategy will admit that to their own
When you send things to TN you have to pay 10% extra "for no reason at all".
No I dont.
I dont send much to TN but this year ive sent about 20 packages to California and the receiver has never had to pay anything.
Except all companies in the EU also have to pay that
So what?
That doesnt mean anything from the perspective of someone exporting there.
euros are now in "no-u" stage
Anger stage before the bargaining.
Are you stupid man? Japan issued a joint statement from their government indicating the deal exists.
meti.go.jp
How are you guys this brainwashed? Japan isn't seeking protection from the US because Japan knows the US would never actually fulfil any agreement they made. Japan asked for the completely unjustified 24% tariff to be lifted and the US refused, so they started dumping bonds and Trump panicked and backed off. Now he's painting it like he's the tough guy in this situation and you dumbasses are falling for it.
You tariffed us, so we tariff you
You dropped your tariffs, so we'll drop ours
"Haha, you chickened out!"
Miggers are some of the dumbest people on the planet, I fucking hate you people.
No I dont.
Yes you do, nigger. Even digital goods have sales tax (I miss when they didn't).
where's the famous deepseek you shills were blustering about a month ago
All the retards saying the u.s caved when the president said DAY ONE this was a measure to get negotiations going are inescapably braindead.
They spend all of their time developing cope for every possible scenario instead of engaging with reality.
Pointless and discredited gotcha posts all day long like a bunch of bots powered by copium.
The tarrifs were used as a bargaining chip.
He lowered and paused the tarriffs on countries that did exactly what he wanted; negotiations.
Countries that didn't, like China, have high tarrifs.
Europe capitulated which is exactly what everyone else with a brain said they would do.
Cope. Cope. Cope.
If tarrifs didn't work than why did these countries have high tarrifs on the u.s decades and decades?
Why did the u.s fight a revolutionary war over tarrifs and taxes if tarrifs dont work?
You're all coping retards.
Everyone will lower their tarrifs on American goods because the u.s imposed the same tarrifs they have employed on the u.s for decades and decades and they don't like it. Either that or go to war but oh wait we are the country that has a military.
Stop spending all your time thinking the sky is falling because when it doesn't for the millionth time it proves how fucking retarded you are.
Shameless niggers the lot of you for not being embarrassed every time you're wrong and instead just run with your new firmware update of pure cope.
Can't EU companies reclaim VAT?
Exactly, if you look honestly at this it was a big loss for Trump and the US. The only positive spin you can put on this is that he at least had the sense to stop it after a week.
I dont know why TN is a special case then because other states dont charge me on import.
I was told a couple of decades ago that if the receiver is not importing several packages per week they just get waved through. And that has been true every time I send stuff.
T-THEY ISSUED A JOINT STATEMENT
mentions no plan just copy-paste what Chinese state media said, which also mentions no plan
immediately after the totally real deal, they stab China right in the face and back by running to the US, negotiating to circumvent China, get more military support against China, and to be a bigger part in NATO
Or
China, SK, and Japan meet
nothing gets done
China releases big triumphant propoganda to other Chinese about how they formed a new super bloc
Japan releases a "yeah whatever" release copypaste
then JP and Sk goes to the US to get their deals
China is notorious for lying about deals and concessions from another state, as well as their own actions. Look up "China's final warning" for example of this. They had a meeting where nothing happened, then Japan and SK immediately got deals from the US. China will then run propoganda a out how Japan and SK are evil countries who "betrayed" them, as they always do
retaliatory tariffs
Do you understand what RETALIATORY means?
They're a danger to our democracy, chuddy.
Checked I guess
Oh well
Time to seat in the cuck chair I guess
Japan isn't even part of NATO because they're not located in the North Atlantic, therefore not even eligible for membership. You are so unspeakably dumb
How is it a loss? I'd prefer if he maliciously kept the tarrifs going in order to crash the entire global economy so I could live a madmax lifestyle but he said the entire point was to negotiate better trade deals for the u.s and he got what he wanted. You're out of touch.
All the retards saying the u.s caved when the president said DAY ONE this was a measure to get negotiations going are inescapably braindead.
But he said those were about jobs. If he wanted to negotiate he could just contact the country directly with actual argument instead of "we want you to remove tarti- I mean close the trade def- i mean remove trade barrier"
As it stand no one is going to take the tarrif seriously and manufacturer will just wait them out
He hasn't negotiated a single better trade deal for the US. All that happened is foreign goods are now between 10-125% more expensive in the US, increasing the cost of living substantially for all Americans. No deals have been made.
WW1
US,Russia, and UK vs Europe
WW2
US, Russia, and UK vs Europe
WW3
US, RUSSIA AND UK VS EUROPE
They really can't take a hint can't they
The EU is already taxing the EU citizens enough.
They are probably making the assumption that the 10% tariff is not going to make a meaningful difference in trade, especially now that Chinese goods are way more expensive.
So if the EU economy does not need tariffs to keep the *already existing* manufacturing jobs going (that is an important detail) by producing more for the internal market tariffs would not benefit them.
Tariffs can be used in a sensible way, but it is a delicate process.
There are for sure tariffs Trump could have done to boost US manufacturing. But the ones he did just don't make sense for that. Assuming they knew this that leaves 2 other options:
political leverage for non-trade matters.
not really how they have been used in the past but Trump seems to be a fan of using them like this. It is however not clear what concessions he got, so this plan may have backfired.
extracting tax from the manufacturing sector and consumers to cut corporate income taxes or other taxes
In this regard it's comparable to VAT with some minor differences. A tax on the consumption of (foreign) goods.
But since the US is so dependent on imports it should just be seen as an extra tax in general.
Kinda weird he didn't just do a VAT then since the US would still need to keep importing to keep their economy going and with a VAT he would at least get the money that people selling domestically produced goods were pocketing from increasing their prices too.
The US having VAT would mean a lot less paperwork for trade with a VAT country like Mexico, Canada or the EU.
The negotiations just started this morning you fucking retard. It only took a week for the entire world to capitulate and you copium huffing troons keep repeating "he caved" like your ideas are beamed into your head from CNN.
source trust me bro
kys faggot
yawn
It's the person buying their stuff it paying it, so idk what they would care.
If they want they can just ship it over with no paperwork at all and let the person importing it handle it, but then there would be a processing fee and that might be a bit of a barrier to repeat trade .
The negotiations have been going on for a week already. And nobody 'capitulated'. What would that even involve?
DeLuyen is an Atlanticist, as are the likes of cucks Meloni, Stubb, and Orban.
They are disgustingly pro-American, more loyal to the US than their own nations.
Just contact the country directly.
With the EU this takes at least 5 years. They have so much bureaucracy and so many different countries all pulling in different directions everything moves at a glacial pace.
What did countries capitulate on? Trump could have negotiated with them at any time it hasnt changed anything (except make the us looks unstable)
Yes, but EU manufacturers get a VAT refund, making it a defacto tariff on foreign inputs. It’s hilarious how many euros don’t know their own VAT system.
taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu
Your schizophrenia is an even bigger enemy of yours.
They make no sense because they were meant to see if countries would immediately bend to china. Despite China demanding immediate reprisals, the rest of the world either dragged their feet while they still negotiated with the US, or didn't retaliate at all. After that, and on the date the tariffs would be in effect, they were dropped to a 10% minimum in order to be baseline to be dealt with in negotiations. I fully expect the actual final tariffs to be much more in line with each other at the end. Unfortunately for you and the rest of the world, this entire exercise was just the US throwing its weight around successfully to get an extremely minor deal, which Will be met with more euphoria than needed. Expect for of these crazy increase days as the minor deals roll in
Did you bother to read the page before posting it?
EU businesses that incur VAT in connection with their activities in a Member State where they do not habitually supply goods or services (and are thus not required to register there for VAT) are nevertheless entitled to obtain a refund from the Member State where they incurred the VAT.
You only get a refund if you don't 'habitually' export to another EU country. Any manufacturer is going to be regularly exporting to other EU countries and therefore would not qualify.
It's worse than a tariff it's a fuck you to everybody. But yes we view it similar.
If trump said to the eu, and the eu alone, "i will slap a big tarrif on you if you dont change x and y" they would have reacted just as fast except trump would have looked far less insane. It would also have helped to know exactly what he want because right now, it changes every two days. Countries dont even know what to negotiate on.
The whole DEALS thing is dumb. We have a massive trade deficit. We don’t need to make deals. We can just set a tariff and incentive producers to invest here for domestic consumption. It’s not going to happen overnight though. It would take Congress making new laws. The republic is defunct and everyone in congress is a traitor though so that’s not going to happen. The natural end conclusion of a populist movement is someone becomes king and confiscates the property of the old traitor elite. Trump is too much of a faggot retard to do this though
It makes them look just as bad b4 they all have tariffs
You are unstable. Half the countries want to negotiate France wants hardline.mos should expect the eu council to fuck everything up though. Why would anybody expect something else?
Habitually means that you are officially trading, which also means they will be considered for a VAT reduction.
Either way, the VAT is only reduced/refunded for member states. Meaning it’s always applied to foreign suppliers.
Meaning it’s a trade barrier that operates exactly the same as a tariff.
It’s a lot worse because you have to pay bureaucrats to help you decipher their VAT laws. Which is why so many europhiles don’t understand that the VAT is effectively a trade barrier baked into a tax system.
Why does a trade deficit even matter? It just means you don't sell stuff that the other country is interested in, or the other country is much smaller than you. It doesn't mean you're getting taken advantage of. Trade deficit = bad is mercantilism brainrot and fell out of favor after the 1500s for a reason.
It’s an indication that there are trade barriers in place.
Nooo we need tax exemption to be able to compete
Maybe just make better products?
That wouldn’t help since you trade barrier our products because of who we are.
They wouldnt have reacted until he put the tariff on. It would have been dragged out for years or decades like the EUs other trade deals.
Not at all. Canada will never buy equal quantity of goods from the US because they have 1/10th of the population. They have no need of that quantity of goods from the US. There will always be a significant trade deficit with Canada due to simple size/population reasons. Are you intentionally trying to be stupid about this or does it come naturally?
cuckolds
Last I checked, Romania wasn't in the North Atlantic and yet was in NATO. Japan can join NATO if they want to, I'm sure no member state is going to deny them.
Sure thing. Keep on tirelessly fighting reality. You will watch every single country on earth lower their import duties on the u.s and it will be because the u.s imposed the same tarrifs all those countries imposed on us decades ago.
I don't give a flying shit about foreign goods becoming more expensive in the short run because I have the attention span of a well adjusted adult. I don't even purchase anything anymore because it was already too fucking expensive. I have a greenhouse, chickens and let my neighbor graze his cows for free beef and set this shit up years ago because of how bad things were getting. It's been bad for a long time, anon, and if people didn't read the writing on the walls 5 years ago and want to think they won't own anything and be happy because Wallstreet IPOs are taking a hit they are retarded and not my nigga.
Pic rel is your average "he caved and the sky is falling" poster.
They cuold also export less to the US. That would be a way of fixing the trade balance that is more in line with them being a small country.
Canada also has admitted that they have significant trade barriers against us. They’ve admitted to operating a protectionist economy.
composed of the politician rejects
this guy gets it..
He hasn't negotiated shit and he specifically said he would not pause the tariffs 4 days ago, but now it was of course always part of the plan. This is a Q-tard-tier cope, a mega cope,
Here is what happened.
Trump rattles his saber towards the whole world
markets shit themselves in fear
Japanese Hedge Fund starts to sell US Treasury Bonds because they think the US is crashing it's own economy
Others start to do the same
Bond market shits itself
Trump and his billionaire friends shit themselves
He pauses the tariffs on all countries except China
He looks like a retarded weak bit.
You will watch every single country on earth lower their import duties on the u.s
The rest of the world doesn't impose duties on the US you stupid fucking moron. The US has free trade agreements with most of its trading partners already, which Trump illegally broke last week by imposing tariffs.
Why?
announce tarrifs that will only be dropped once you get what you want
Bond spikes after a few days
Huuuu we're lowering them for now
The very stable genius of trump.
Oh you're just trolling then, never mind
why?
why wouldn’t it?
ah, guess you’re delusional. Notice how you can’t even defend your arguments?
They export that much to the US because the US wants to buy cheap oil, lumber and potash from them. If the US wants to stop buying all that from Canada, they're welcome to lower the trade deficit that way, but they won't because they like all the cheap resources Canada provides.
All that huffing, puffing and screaming Italy is a traitor to the continent only to do this
All the while you never get mentioned and reporters screaming at the top of their lungs get ghosted
If they don't get mentioned today you may as well rename them from EU to E-Who?
I think Africa got more named drops from President Orange than our continent the past few days
So Canada is undercutting our domestic supply, yet has trade barriers to prevent us from doing the same to them.
Romania is part of Europe which is located next to the North Atlantic region. Surely this shouldn't have to be explained to you why they are eligible and Japan is not
What are those barriers?
Wrong
Which one? Can you quote one?
Why would they do that? How does it benefit either countries?
I think that Ursula and that other estonian gal are a perfect example of why woman don't belong in politics.
It's ridiculous to think that woman is mentally capable to lead a nation or a union. They're retarded as fuck and driven by emotion.
Guy from country with the highest domestic violence rates in the world has problem relating to women
shocker
"And if I may say one word about the other sphere, the equally important sphere of administration, I will take only two illustrations. First of all, I will venture to take that with which I myself have been personally associated - the domain of finance. What have we been doing there? Paying off the liabilities incurred by predecessors. We have brought back the National Debt to what it was twenty years ago; we have reduced and we are reducing the taxes upon tea and sugar - necessaries of life; we have made the income-tax at the same time more equitable and more productive. In that way I claim for us, that without deviating one hair’s breadth from the principles of Free Trade, we have set free the finances and have re-established the credit of this country to a degree which will make it able to meet any legitimate calls - and such calls will be many - which are made upon it for the exigencies of social reform."
They export that much to the US because the US wants to buy cheap oil, lumber and potash from them. If the US wants to stop buying all that from Canada,
Yeah either way around.
Im glad you agree with me that reducing Canadian exports would help.
Is there a trade barrier between you and Walmart despite it being pure deficit on your end?
what are those barriers
just one example.
which Canadian trade barriers
Why do europeans act stupid as an argumentation tactic?
Yes, kinda. But even there it is the same in the end.
US company sells 100€ worth of stuff to an EU company.
To avoid the goods being held by customs until tax is paid the company pre-pays the VAT.
100€ + 21€ vat = 121€ gets charged to the EU company. (lets ignore shipping for a second)
The EU company uses those parts to make a 500 € item to sell to consumers.
They charge 21% vat on that, so the sale price is 605€
At the end of the year they make their books, they had 105€ in VAT paid to them, and they themselves paid 21€ in VAT to their suppliers. Since they only need to pay on the added value that is 400€ in this case, or 21% = 84€.
So they owe the tax man 105-21 = 84€ in VAT.
There is absolutely nothing preventing the NATO member states from approving Japan's entry and you know it. That is the one and only barrier to entry.
So you’re going to sit here and insist that a VAT on foreign suppliers isn’t a trade barrier?
He said he wouldn't pause tarrifs when asked if he would pause them to "ease the burden". You niggers just can't contextualize anything because all you're looking for is "gotchas" to win an internet argument that no one fucking cares about. You're wrong and you know you're wrong so you play semantics like a fucking jew.
The VAT is on domestic suppliers, too, so no, it isn't
You have to be physically located in the region to be eligible. Japan isn't any use to European defence because they're too far away. Japan, Australia, South Korea are all part of 'NATO Plus', which isn't actually NATO and not subject to article 5. There used to be SEATO which is South East Asia version of NATO and it probably needs to be started up again.
Trump announces tariffs
EU offers to buy more USA weapons and remove tariffs if Trump doesn't impose tariffs
Trump spergs out and demands "reparations" and a "tribute" from the EU
the EU announces retaliatory tariffs
Trump walks back his plan to EU tariffs
the EU says they won't place retaliatory tariffs
Leave it to a rusnigger to see this as one side bending the knee and chickening out.
VAT apply to everyone, it is not a barriers. Any actual barrier?
Why do europeans act stupid as an argumentation tactic?
What canadian trade barrier are you facing anon? Just name one, it should be easy.
Domestic suppliers qualify for rebates. Foreign suppliers do not.
Why would the EU keep the tariffs after donald chucked out already? The EU always wanted ZERO tariffs. Even before donald started all this.
Please ffs, put pressure on this demon, she wants to fuck the UK out the arse, because we found a way out of her shit tax for faggot shit. Fuck her in the arse and dump her Trump! Come on, fuck her! Stick your tariff right up here arse and fuck it dry until she dies, then the UK can have a chance to revive COME ON.
what are rebates
taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu
It is not applied equally to everyone, which makes it a trade barrier.
I kick you in the balls
hey why did you kick me in the balls?
Its OK I do it to everyone
Two wongs dont make a white.
Now this is gammon-posting
yes, because it isn't .
Explain how it would be a trade barrier.
In the current market where there is enough production it is usually the demand that chooses where they purchase their goods right?
If they pay 21% VAT in the EU on their goods
And they pay 21% VAT on goods they get from the US how is that a trade barrier for the person/company deciding where to purchase the parts.
americans are massive faggots who will never admit being wrong, failure or being buck broken (Which is what they did with tariffs). mutts will always spin the truth around to make themselves feel better.
We fuck Russian/American bitches here every summer, spending their thousands to get fuckerd by hairy Greek Lovers while their brothers are home
Member states have access to a VAT refund system. Non member states do not.
That makes it a trade barrier.
You forget where the part that exempts member states from the kick in the balls.
NATO should be an alliance of small nations as a bloc to increase security and protect sovereignty. Having a big hegemon country like the US, or an ideological enemy like Turkey be part of it, contradicts the entire point of such an alliance.
zero-tariffs on ONLY CERTAIN things that the EU doesn't buy from us anyway, they need to remove ALL tariffs.
you can do better ausbaiter
Yeah bro, I am the one grasping at straws here
There is no VAT refund system. It is a tax that I the consumer pay whenever I buy most things. What you seem to want is the ability to sell things in shops here without having to pay tax to our government.
Yep, exactly that. Everything I buy is made in China, Bulgaria, Germany, Poland, Italy and Japan. No exceptions. I don't think I've bought a single American item because they aren't worth it. If I want a cheap item I'd go for a chink trash. If I want a more expensive high quality one I'd just buy either German or Japanese products. The USA can't compete neither on price nor on quality. The cheap US stuff is more expensive than the similarly well made cheap chink shit and the same premium quality products as the ones from Germany and Japan would cost a lot more if I were to purchase them from the USA.
Nah. Europe came to the table so they got their tarrifs reduced. They were allowed to save face by lowering their 1 second later and you niggers are just retarded. Those tarrifs have been in place for decades and you think they magically lowered them for what reason exactly? Maybe it was the tarrifs the u.s imposed on them 1 week ago that they reduced theirs after decades? Hmm mm? Retard.
Incorrect.
taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu
There’s a website that explains it in detail. A member state manufacturer that buys supply from another member state is entitled to a refund that they do not get if they supply from a foreign manufacturer.
This is effectively a tariff.
case in point, looks at this mutt faggot spin lies. incredible
The zero tariffs deal applied to cars, pharmaceuticals and loads of other goods. US imports shitloads of pharma from EU so this is a very generous deal. Trump rejects it anyway because of course he does.
Maros Šefčovič, the EU commissioner for trade, said he had proposed zero tariffs on cars and a range of industrial goods, such as pharmaceutical products, rubber and machinery, during his first meeting with the US commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, on 19 February.
VAT is a tax on finished goods being sold to consumers, not manufacturing.
You are. 100%. Everyone knows it. It's pure fucking cope and semantics to keep an argument going. Europe lowered their tarriffs after decades after 1 week of tarrifs and you think the 2 aren't related because...why?
We all know what comes next. More cope.
So the US can oppose 10 percent tariffs on the EU and the EU does nothing???
So the first 10 percent are a gimmie. Trump will note and start negotiations from that as a baseline the EU can happily live with.
see In the end it is the consumer paying the VAT, the reason you choose a VAT over a tariff if the goal is raising tax revenue is because VAT levels the playing field for everyone and stops companies who pass the same item over a border multiple times from getting absolutely screwed over.
If anything it makes it harder for VAT countries to export to not VAT countries, because they themselves can't charge the VAT to the person they sell to, leaving them as the final step in the chain and responsible for the payment.
VAT is applied to all goods, foreign or local, sold at retailers and then remitted back to the government. The VAT refund system is just to prevent manufacturers inside the EU from getting double taxed. Everyone still pays VAT at the point of sale. Foreign goods are at no disadvantage from local goods.
Basically jews vs white people
If a product is purchased as a finished good, then that’s where the VAT is paid.
If it’s purchased as an input domestically, the VAT is passed on. If it’s purchased from a member state, the VAT is paid but can be refunded.
If it’s purchased from a foreign state, the VAT cannot be refunded.
Maros Šefčovič
cocksucking son of a bitch
Absolutely pathetic.
I am not surprised at all but I nevertheless feel ashamed to be part of this clown show.
China and Canada are apparently the only two countries with a spine.
It also apply to non-eu business
If you wanna make business in a country where getting kicked in the ball is required to sell stuff then its not a trade barrier
Wrong on both account. You do not get a full refund
The VAT refund system is just to prevent manufacturers inside the EU from getting double taxed
Which effectively means domestic inputs cost less. Which is effectively a tariff.
Please try to keep up. The EU is specifically designed to make being a member state advantageous due to market access.
And if it isn't actually a finished good it would appear there is a refund system as it was incorrectly taxed.
SEA countries that are afraid of Chinese dominance will SURELY give the Chinese more money and market influence in their countries.
Nice try, but hopefully your chinese jailer will read my post and see that your not good at arguing and you will go back in your cell.
It does not apply to non-eu businesses.
EU businesses that incur VAT in connection with their activities in a Member State where they do not habitually supply goods or services (and are thus not required to register there for VAT) are nevertheless entitled to obtain a refund from the Member State where they incurred the VAT.
Trump hits the EU with 20 percent, they threaten to retaliate, Trump lowers to 10 percent (with the 20 percent set to come into force in 90 days), the EU says fine this is OK
Maybe I need to read art of the deal if it's this easy to bamboozle people into not responding to your unprovoked bullshit.
What did we lower exactly? Are you lying or just retarded?
We also already offered you zero for zero tarrif a few years ago but you guys refused
It's to prevent manufacturers from getting hit with VAT both during production AND when being sold at retailers which would be double taxation. Finished US goods imported and sold in the EU are only taxed with VAT once at the point of sale. If the EU did not refund manufacturers, they would be at a disadvantage compared to imported goods.
The refund system only exists for member states.
The EU internal market isn't intentionally fucking itself for some reason and I think this is unfair
lol wut
This is where it shows that Americans are a bunch of fucking idiots who have never left their shitty county in the middle of nowhere.
VAT refund exists ONLY to avoid citizens or companies to get taxed twice.
It doesn’t matter what it was meant for, it matters what it does.
And it effectively acts as a tariff.
You forget where the part that exempts member states from the kick in the balls.
Technically everyone gets a kick in the balls when they sell to an EU consoomer.
Its a tariff on EU consoomers which if Trump did it, would generate constant negative headlines but its OK when Europe does it.
So?
No trading with Chang
If you wanna make business in a country where getting kicked in the ball is required to sell stuff then its not a trade barrier
It sounds like quite a painful trade barrier when you put it like that.
Everyone in the u.s knows that we subsidize your health care by having to pay through the nose for pharmaceuticals. It wasn't a good deal.
Im guessing the EU think that not much is going to change business wise with the us since rn the 10% tax is on everyone and only for a month and a half. If they start fucking with us more then we'll tarrif them back. Tarrifs are a two way street so you gotta be careful.
So it effectively acts as a trade barrier.
I just think it’s funny how they admit that the EU union is designed to create trade barriers, and then deny it when called out on it.
It does not act as a tariff because ultimately because of the refund system both EU and US goods only get taxed with VAT once, which is equal. A tariff only exists if foreign goods are disadvantaged compared to local goods. Foreign and local goods are on equal footing in the EU. You are so out of your depth man, even the Euros can smell your ignorance from all the way over in Yuroland
There was no pause US tariffs of 10 percent are in effect. You have been tricked, Europe was scared off didn't want to be another China. Somehow only Canada has the stones to deal with Trump whoda figured.
Are US states not taxing the fuck out of each other a tariff?
No one. That is the whole point of EU, they control you but you have zero say in who sits at the top :^)
Inputs are VAT exempt. But the VAT is paid up front by importers, and goods purchased from foreign members are not eligible for refund.
That's because Canada is China at this point.
he said the entire point was to negotiate better trade deals
Why do you cunts always lie? He said that this was not for negotiations and that it was to bring back Amerifat manufaturing. Also the tariffs were supposed to bring in a gorillion dollars so that all Americans can be rich or something.
You just don't understand VAT my man
VAT = Value added tax.
So you only pay on the value of goods you created.
In practice it works like this you get to subtract the tax you paid on the goods you purchased (and that your supplier is paying to the gov) from the vat your customers paid to you, the difference of that you pay to the gov.
So in the end the gov gets the full amount of the value that was added.
Since you pay VAT on US imports, that you can then also subtract from the VAT paid on your goods it really doesn't matter.
The only difference is that the payment to the government happens when the goods enter the country, except at the end of the year with your taxes.
This is the only trade barrier.
Americans don't realize state taxes are effectively trade barriers and function the same as VAT in the EU
US states don’t create exemptions for their own trade.
This. Finland was jewed into EU, euro, NATO and so on and we weren't asked. No votes is how kiked democracy works.
see
You’re confusing finished products with inputs.
So you are saying that there is not free trade within the USA?
You were and still are at risk of Russian invasion. NATO and EU membership discourages that. You can see it was effective based on how much Putin kvetched when you joined.
I just think it’s funny how they admit that the EU union is designed to create trade barriers, and then deny it when called out on it.
Well yeah trade barriers is the whole reason the EU exists.
They even said that when we leave, there will be trade barriers due to us not being part of the EU.
But they arent really that bad. The EU is quite weak in what it can do because it just harms its own people.
Both have to occur simultaneously you fucking retard. If we start manufacturing and everyone just raises their tarrifs then what does that get us? We used to make everything here 30 years ago and it was fine. Cheap even. Go fuck yourself. You're an idiot with the memory of a gold fish or underage.
The US doesn’t have a tax system that provides exceptions to people simply because they are domestic.
We use to, but that was stopped to help globalization.
Which effectively means domestic inputs cost less.
No it doesn't. How would a US manufacturer even get double taxed?
So the USA does not levy taxes on states trading with each other?
I just don’t understand why Europeans have to lie and claim that they don’t have trade barriers. The EU exists in part to be a trade barrier to create a protectionist environment for Europe.
You do not have an unfair handicap compared to other businessmen. Get kicked in the balls or get out.
If its such a rip off surely youd have made your own by now?
Non-EU businesses that incur VAT in connection with their activities in an EU Member State where they do not habitually supply goods or services (and are thus not required to register for VAT) are nevertheless entitled to obtain a refund from the EU Member State where they incurred the VAT.
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They aren’t. But inputs are VAT exempt, so the issue here is that they are taxed at all.
Ok, so the US was going for "maximum leverage" in minor deals because they can, and nobody stopped the president.
How is that supposed to make other countries feel? Won't that just cause them to reduce the leverage the US has over them?
Doesn't seem like a smart move long term right?
We do not have a tax that applies to foreigners that domestic suppliers are exempt to. That is, before the tariffs.
Canada has no spine, they aren't even a real country.
Globohomo is a failed experiment and you're whining that it's ending. Truly not a tourist take. Back to plebbit
What the fuck are you talking about?
Aldi buys tomatoes from French farmer
sells them with 21 % VAT
Aldi buys tomatoes from American farmer
sells them with 21 % VAT
Aldi buys tomatoes from Ivory Coast farmer
sells them with 21 % VAT
That's what really happens. VAT refund only exists for the cases in which the VAT is paid twice so one of the VAT charges is removed, the end consumer will ALWAYS pay 21 % VAT on products; there is no way for a product to be sold without VAT.
So the tariffs need to stay in place so factories in Ohio can respawn, but you also negotiate to get rid of tariffs at the same time cause that is necessary somehow?
You people have subhuman intelligence. I feel like I'm try to explain informal logic to flies on a turd.
Canada backed down because Trump backed down you idiot
Wasn't talking to you Chinaman
In addition, any EU Member State may:
refuse to refund VAT in this way if the claimant’s country/territory does not grant reciprocal refund rights for VAT or similar to businesses based in that Member State
You learned about tarrifs 1 week ago. I have a finance degree and a mechanical engineering degree. You're the subhuman that can't even do calculus.
Broken bot.
I just don’t understand why Europeans have to lie and claim that they don’t have trade barriers.
Because the media headlines said that only Trump does tariffs because hes evil (and orange).
Then when its pointed out that VAT is a tariff they sperg out trying to rearrange the facts to fit with the media headline that they believed automatically.
There is a nuanced conversation to be had about the nature of VAT and tariffs but most people are just going off the media headlines that they read which 0ummarised the entire debate in to one line.
Tomatoes aren’t inputs. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Truth hurts cletus
So the EU doesn’t create trade barriers?
Ok but can you answer my question instead of seething?
What if we aim to have an economy where nobody gets kicked in the balls?
Sounds like its on the US to grant those then. Why are you putting up trade barriers?
Meaning it’s always applied to foreign suppliers.
No that is not what it says, VAT is always paid on goods traded between or imported by VAT charging countries.
They can however subtract the VAT already paid from the VAT on their products, this equalizes out to the "value added" in value added tax.
Someone importing form the US pays the exact same VAT as they would when buying in the EU or in Canada.
See this for a simple explanation
It’s amazing how gay they can be. Any simple glance into the VAT code can clearly show that it has many levers for selective enforcement.
Which is of course on purpose, because it exists to incentivize European nations to join the economic zone.
Well now you have a Federal sales tax of sorts on all foreign imports.
Who decides? Sounds like it’s just another way for Europeans to lie.
But thanks for finally admitting that your system creates trade barriers.
No one!
We do.
You don’t understand the difference between an input and a finished good.
Explicitly because of Europe and China, to redress the trade balance caused by their trade barriers.
Well now you have a Federal sales tax of sorts on all foreign imports.
We should tell Trump that if he exempts us from his federal sales tax, we will exempt the yanks from VAT.
We could have proper free trade.
No, the UK guy is just mad about EU like always
Why? I thought this was about fair trade? Whats unfair about everyone getting ball crushed?
So why does the UK have a tariff on it?
It literally can't last forever and if it does it opens a market. T. Manufacturer with 3 patents waiting to go.
But you already admitted that your rules create arbitrary trade barriers here
Because you still haven’t disbanded your disinformation control agencies.
Why? I thought this was about fair trade? Whats unfair about everyone getting ball crushed?
If having your balls crushed is an essential part of selling to French people that is unfair on French people. The costs will get passed on to them.
The EU decide you can choose not to apply it if its not reciprocal. So legally the eu state must go with the refund if the us is playing fair. Is the us playing fair?
Then why are you still paying us? What do you get out of it?
Not quite, inputs are not really VAT exempt, the VAT is deferred. So if the VAT was not paid to the supplier the company buying the stuff is responsible for the payment at the end of the year. If they have more VAT in from sales than they have deferred VAT from their suppliers they can subtract them and pay the difference. If they misjudged and purchased more inputs than they needed and have less VAT from sales they are still on the hook for it.
This is why construction companies can't use this, they have a habit of running up a lot of deferred VAT and then going bankrupt. They always need to pre-pay their VAT.
Sure you do, you baboon. You can't even keep your own half-baked arguments consistent for two posts without faceplanting into your own shit.
There was a time the US made everything.
lol did you harvest your own coffee beans in Ohio too? Maybe milk chocolate grew on trees in Kansas, right? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just regurgitating boomer-tier myths you picked up from a YouTube comment section and mistaking it for economic insight.
Tariffs, when done right, are targeted. You incentivize key industries, not just smear tariffs across every goddamn import like a toddler finger-painting with shit.
What does that have to do with the balance of trade?
Whats unfair and arbitrary about those rules? Grant us refund and well do the same
How so? They would be getting their balls crushed regardless of foreign buisness.
I seriously doubt euros can conceptualize how big the u.s is and how many resources we have. They are all tiny little countries fighting with each other over scraps. UK doesn't even have wood.
I hope they bring back those live oak trees so we can start building kino ships again in my great great grandkids life time.
they wanted hillary but they already had hillary at home
I don't believe here. I think she's just pretending to have an intention of negotiation, and she's really stalling for time for her kike masters to reinvest their assets.
So the EU can arbitrarily decide if it wants to have a trade barrier?
The VAT deferral process is broken when an input is foreign sourced, likely by design. In the end, it cost more to have foreign inputs even if the inputs are the same price.
That’s a trade barrier. The fact that you Europeans go through so much effort to defend them doesn’t make them anything else.
lol, do you know how insane the trade barriers between EU countries used to be in the 70's People were smuggling butter around in bras and entire gangs were smuggling tobacco.
The EU was created to lower them.
How so?
Because French people have to pay extra due to the (self imposed) difficulty of doing business in France.
That is why goods are so cheap in America and so expensive in France.
balance of what? You’re a colony so your trade is practically domestic.
Because of globalization. They wanted to experiment with spreading everything out over the world but everyone got greedy and now fractional reserve principal is revealed to be a poison. Threads going to end. Have a good day. At the end of the day we are all in this together and hopefully we can all realize that one day and oust the maniacs.
The part where you can just decide to not give a refund to foreign suppliers for “reasons”.
The USA has a trade surplus with the UK. By your argument we should be tariffing you.
teh EU started out removing trade barriers now its all about putting them up
I might have known.
In the 70s we used to call it the European common market. It was good back then.
Did you skip the part where your tariffs are due to your free speech violations?
We'll be here when you stop sperging out.
sure you do
Yup. You're the one parroting plebbit economics. Does it make sense to have a trade agreements with a country that uses slave labor in a capitalistic economy without heavily tarriffing them? Nope.
The VAT deferral process is broken when an input is foreign sourced, likely by design. In the end, it cost more to have foreign inputs even if the inputs are the same price.
They don't really cost more, the difference is that there is a small opportunity cost, because you are paying your tax on them a few months earlier. In the end the actual tax paid is the same.
lol you thought violating the first amendment rights of Americans would go without response?
You are legally required to refund if reciprocality exist. Whats unfair about that?
there’s an opportunity cost
So after a painfully long exchange, I finally get you to admit that the EU inherently creates trade barriers that create opportunity costs for supplying using foreign units.
This is just a single example of the maze of EU bureaucracy being used explicitly to create benefits for domestic friends, at the expense of foreign allies.
French people also get free blowjobs paid by those kicks in the balls. Give and take.
So foreigners have to adopt a VAT to be eligible for your refund? Sounds like a trade barrier.
muh opportunity cost
Artificial difficulty.
True, hopefully trump abd elon will be hanged along a significant amount of maga niggers
Those reasons are written here black and white.
written in black and white
just change your tax system to be treated fairly by us!
Europeans are such fags.
Why does a trade deficit even matter?
Lmao
Trade deficit = bad is mercantilism brainrot and fell out of favor after the 1500s for a reason
Mercantilists were correct you retarded faggot. Anglo classical liberals were wrong about every single thing they ever said. You people are a disease. Almost as bad as the Jews
zero arguments
still cannot explain away the contradiction
Okay, let's make this very simple for you, champ. I'll use small words and walk slowly so you don't trip over your own shoelaces trying to keep up.
Just answer this, alright, kiddo?
How exactly are tariffs supposed to "bring back manufacturing"... when you negotiate them away?
Think reeeally hard now. I know that's tough for you.
Because if you remove the tariffs, then they're no longer there. I know, wild stuff.
So, if you’re negotiating them out of existence, then by definition, they can't be doing anything anymore. Like trying to heat your house with a fire you already put out. You get it now? Or should I draw it in crayon and put it on the fridge for you?
Know what’s the cool thing about a 90 day pause? They continue after 90 days unless something changes.
Ok, so how could it be more fair.
the opportunity cost here is minuscule, and not an intended trade barrier but just the lowest possible to keep it functional. If you have a better idea have at it.
kys nigger jew
VAT or similar
No you don't. That is very fair of the eu to do that
If trump think this bit is unfair why not directly name it? Also ofc things are going to be faster inside the eu than outside, the same apply to the us too.
the opportunity cost here is minuscule
Incorrect
how could it be made fair
Well first you faggots need to start acknowledging that the EU exists to create trade barriers. But honesty is simply too much for the average European. So you get blanket tariffs instead.
It’s also gay that your system prevents individual members from negotiating with us.
True, hopefully trump abd elon will be hanged along a significant amount of maga niggers
I think they should get publicly burned. Hanging is too fast. Would love to hear them scream as they roast. Hopefully there's a hell for them to go to.
You have no idea how many American millenials are waiting to start making their own products but can't because of regulations associated with globohomo. I'm all for tanking the global economy at this point. I absolutely don't care. I'd rather barter than have to deal with these beurecratic parasites. None of any of this is in good faith. It's just a rattling of the bones while richfags figure out how to fuck everyone further in the dirt.
I think you are blind. Read that again.
He does directly name it. You fags just pretend he doesn’t.
how very fair of the eu
This sanctimonious attitude is why you’re being treated like bitches lol.
You're definitely a butthurt bunkertroon addicted to hrt.
How many American millenials are waiting to start making their own products but can't
Do you have any sources?
I read it just fine. You just want tax exemptions, which isn’t fair trade.
Why are Europeans such two faced liars?
Doing business in France is like being given a blowjob while being kicked repeatedly in the balls
Fair point. its the same here.
Can i get a quote? He complain about tarrifs first but then it turn out its trade deficit then trade barrier. I'd like trump to name those exact barriers otherwise i think hes just making shit up.
Wow great, instead of proposing how it could be more fair there are just a bunch of ad hominem attacks.
While it is not ideal to pay taxes on the imported goods early it also isn't the huge deal the US makes it out to be.
The cost of transatlantic shipping is way more significant even if there was a way to let EU companies defer paying VAT on imports.
You missed the
And similar
Bit. You dont need to adopt vat.
VAT was one of them.
Also dropping bowling balls on cars.
Oh no, the kid got confused again. It’s okay, deep breaths. Let’s try one more time, real slow.
For manufacturing to come back, the tariffs need to stay, right? That's the whole point, remember? Tariffs act as a disincentive to import and an incentive to build domestically. But that only works if...brace yourself for this shocker...they actually stick around.
See how that works?
You can't just throw tariffs up, wink, and take them down the moment someone dangles a trade deal in front of you. If tariffs are used as leverage for some deal, then you can no longer use them to bring back manufacturing.
Is this finally clear enough for you, sport?
there are no "refunds" needed because you don't pay VAT to start with.
the "refund" is just subtracting VAT paid from VAT received.
The imported goods have their VAT paid by the EU importer, just like they would have if they purchased from a EU company.
But as this thread established, VAT apply to everyone. It doesnt make us products more costly than eu one.