How can you morally justify eating animals when we no longer need to eat animals to survive...

How can you morally justify eating animals when we no longer need to eat animals to survive? We're effectively just harming and killing them for pleasure

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Killing animals is the greatest evil. It's why the vax was injected into 6 billion people. Most people deserve to die.

I actually don’t eat meat at all. And I lift.

How can you morally justify eating animals

I mean look at it it’s eyes just shine with so much intelligence

I'm not here to survive. I'm here to thrive.

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I will not reveal the secret
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You don't need to eat animals to thrive, either

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There are two areas to consider. The possibility of life, and the obvious death.

As far as possibility of life, many of them are only alive due to farming them for meat. So in that sense, they owe their lives to us. It was their purpose of being born. However, we must naturally do our best to not have them suffer. Hence why I only buy pasture raised beef / animal products, more humane.

As far as death goes, everything dies at some point as far as we know. The instant kill methods we give them are the best possible death we can give them, outside of possibly oxygen displacement. You can only hope you have as fast and literally painless a death as these animals. You are however correct to condemn the slaughter if it's halal. Animals killing animals there.

Take it from a young noble: I didn’t even notice I haven’t eaten meat in many months. There is so much nutrition elsewhere.

This is child abuse.

Many are alive only due to farming them for meat

Okay, but they're being raised for slaughter in unsanitary conditions. Giving birth to more life is not inherently moral. We don't need to farm them for meat to begin with.

Everything dies

And we don't need to farm them for meat to begin with, so we don't have to kill a bunch of animals either. By your own logic if someone went around, shooting stray puppies and dogs for fun that someone can go "welp everything dies"

how can you morally justify

I'm hungry. My life is inherently worth more than a cow's. Are there any other brain teasers you want to ask, my man?

Okay, but they're being raised for slaughter in unsanitary conditions.

So you're okay with hunting I take it? After all, either I'm going to kill the deer, or some bear/cougar/wolf will. Or it will starve to death, or freeze to death. How is an instant death via bullet worse than any of the other options?

Meat is the healthiest food there is simple as

God said to take the earth and subdue it.
To pin down Mother Earth and titfuck her by force if necessary.
It's in Genesis, multiple times.

I don't need to justify anything to anyone.

Funny enough the bushman ate almost exclusively meat while Dolph Lundgren was probably raised on potatoes and grain

We evolved to eat animals anon

Yes, people and especially their industry are inhumane.

I recently read a post by a farm worker, he works in a large production...as a veterinarian.

What he said was terrible...the industry is absolute evil. Animals that could live in free range conditions for 12-14 years in production conditions live 3-4 years in terrible conditions, just for the sake of profit.

I try not to eat a lot of meat... I know that it is necessary in some quantity for the body, but I have sharply reduced my consumption for a long time... and I do not buy meat from farms that are not free-range. It may be a small contribution... but we are too dependent on the system. I understand that what I do is a drop in the ocean of evil...

We all want to be conscious, humane... but these principles cost not only a lot of money... but also health.

Now do pedophilia and children.
Never seen a green liberal tell a genderqueer liberal to stop. Why? Because you're too retarded.

funnily enough I'm going to make up a completely baseless head canon about two people who I know nothing about

yeah, that is funny, heh.

I'm hungry

You don't need to eat animals to feel full, plant based diets high in fiber are actually very filling

My life is inherently worth more than a cow's

Irrelevant. If someone decided to beat a stray dog to death with a brick, it's still wrong, regardless of whether or not his life is inherently more valuable than the dog's

Hunting

That is going to depend on the hunter, his community, and the situation. There are certain situations where hunting is justifiable. For example, there are remote communities that do not have the same ease of access to food that more developed areas have. In that case the hunting basically is for survival. There may be other situations with invasive species, where letting them live would cause more ecological damage in the long run - in that case, hunting can be justified.

However

they're going to die anyways

Isn't a great argument. Everything is "eventually going to die". Again, if someone just beat a stray dog with a brick, for fun, and then went "well why do you care, it was going to die anyways" everyone would agree he's still a psychopath

I don't need Jews to survive

The lack of animal fats is obvious on their faces...that's why meat is necessary in some quantities. We are like bears...omnivores. That's what made humans the dominant species.

Kingen

Because believe it or not there are actually nutrients in animal products that are either only found in meat, or you have to bend over backwards to get from a vegan diet.

Isn't a great argument. Everything is "eventually going to die". Again, if someone just beat a stray dog with a brick, for fun, and then went "well why do you care, it was going to die anyways" everyone would agree he's still a psychopath

I don't advocate hunting "for fun" and I don't know anyone that does. It's illegal in most civilized countries to waste a carcass.

The point is that regardless of what you want to believe, animal-based foods are necessary for optimal health. You can deprive yourself and live a miserable life on hard mode if you want, just surviving, because you have emotional issues. That's fine, it's your choice. But there is nothing inherently/morally wrong with taking the life of an animal for sustenance, and yes, it is a requirement for optimal health.

Do you think I'm wrong and that it IS inherently wrong to take the life of an animal for sustenance? Explain why. My God says it's okay to eat meat. Explain to me why He's wrong, and why everyone in the world should follow your own personal moral code. Which god told you it's wrong? Or did you just pull that out of your ass based on your subjective feelings?

They are animals it is not inherently immoral to kill them, or even raise them for the express purpose of killing them.

If it means i get to eat meat as i like to, i will look past the suffering of the animals involved, thats just the truth of the matter.

You don't need to eat animals to feel full, plant based diets high in fiber are actually very filling

Vegetables lack many essential nutrients and vitamins that only meat can provide. Vegans are notoriously retarded, e.g. OP.

If someone decided to beat a stray dog to death with a brick,

No one is eating dogs, except my Mumbukto or Chang. What a shitty false equivalency. Eating animals is not only morally justified but is necessary as that is how civilization came to be and will continue to be. You want to upend 10s of thousands of years of evolution because you're some sort of morality fag. Please refer back to the last line of my first point.

Okay, but they're being raised for slaughter in unsanitary conditions.

Factory farms yes, pasture raised no.
Do you not understand the difference?

By your own logic if someone went around, shooting stray puppies and dogs for fun

Fun, no. However it is considered pest control and most counties will actually pay you to do it.
Cats kill billions of native songbirds and other such animals a year, they are a menace to wildlife. I'm soft and squeamish as well in that I wouldn't want to do it, but from the environmental standpoint it's for the greater good.
So, no, doing it "for fun" is indicative of a personality flaw, but doing it "because it needs to be done" is not. Which is largely my stance for meat in general. I limit it, but still consume it. However I will also add that it's largely a financial issue for me...

The reason why I say for fun, is that when you eat meat when there are non-meat alternatives that are easily accessible you aren't actually eating meat out of necessity anymore, you're eating meat for pleasure. Much in the same way, that a psychopath beating a dog to death, may be doing it for pleasure. Or someone engaging in bestiality does it for pleasure.

It is wrong to harm, or kill, an animal unnecessarily. Like I said, if you saw someone kill a stray dog, just for fun then you would likely seem him as psychotic. You may argue "well, hunting is different because we don't waste the carcass". But the problem is in many situations, you didn't even need to hunt to generate the carcass in the first place, because you could simply eat a non-animal diet to begin with.

God say it's okay to eat meat

God tolerated slavery too, that doesn't mean slavery is okay. In fact he flat out told a slave girl fleeing from her master, who forced her to get impregnated against her will, to go back to her slave master and obey. That doesn't make slavery morally defensible

How can you morally justify eating animals

they feel good in my tummy

Because nature is a completely stupid contradiction, stop pretending you're in heaven. And animals have no morals, most eat meat and would rip you apart for food.

How is an instant death via bullet worse than any of the other options?

I don't like that argument style, despite sharing your stance.
"After all, how is instant death via bullet worse than a heart attack or slowly suffocating as your lungs fail in old age or being smothered by the brown staff at a nursing home?"

How do you justify making gay ass threads on Anon Babble when you don't need to make gay ass threads on Anon Babble to survive?

Vegetables lack many essential nutrients and vitamins that only meat can provide. Vegans are notoriously retarded, e.g. OP.

A plant-based diet can very easily replace a meat-based diet. The only things that are lacking are vitamin B12, and maybe iron, and both of those can very easily be supplemented by a single multivitamin

No one is eating dogs, except my Mumbukto or Chang. What a shitty false equivalency. Eating animals is not only morally justified but is necessary as that is how civilization came to be and will continue to be. You want to upend 10s of thousands of years of evolution because you're some sort of morality fag. Please refer back to the last line of my first point.

It isn't a false equivalence because they are both situations where you are killing an animal unnecessarily. When you kill an animal for meat you are doing it unnecessarily because you don't actually need to eat meat to survive, there are plenty of plant-based alternatives to meat that are easily accessible. If someone beats a dog to death for fun, we agree he's psychotic, because he is harming an animal unnecessarily

necessary as that is how civilization came to be

So? Humans of the past =/= humans of the present, technology and society marches on. Humans in the past also didn't have access to modern medicine, people dying from cancer without chemo was part of how civilization came to be too

There is no such thing as a meat alternative. You either eat meat or your health deteriorates.

God tolerated slavery too, that doesn't mean slavery is okay.

So God is wrong and you're right is what you're trying to tell me? God didn't merely "tolerate" eating meat. He advocated it. Jesus Himself ate flesh.

Eating some meat I smoked a few days ago now. Cherry wood. It's great.

A plant-based diet can very easily replace a meat-based diet

Bro just stop talking, you're making a fool of yourself.

We know that Lundgren had a modest upbringing in Sweden which implies a diet rich in carbs.
We also know that the bushman was a real bushman from Namibia and not some professional actor which lets us know that he ate what he hunted for most of his life

You either eat meat or your health deteriorates

There is nothing in meat that can't be easily substituted by a non-meat alternative

So God is wrong and you're right is what you're trying to tell me? God didn't merely "tolerate" eating meat. He advocated it. Jesus Himself ate flesh.

And God told the slave girl fleeing from her master to go back to her master and kneel. He didn't punish the slave master, he was in fact outright complicit in slavery. So is slavery good or bad then?

If you're saying slavery is good, then that's indefensible
If you're saying slavery is bad, you are admitting then that God bent the knee to humans of the past who thought it was justified, meaning he doesn't dictate objective morality

We could kill and eat you Jews instead ?

We are part of nature
Becoming vegetarians and vegans for the sake of morality makes us insane and immoral, in that we begin trying to upend nature
Think of all those antinatalist vegans that say humans should stop breeding, while also saying that humans should save animals they come across from other predators even though the predator needs to eat
There is light and there is dark. There is suffering and there is pleasure. There is relative of good and relative evil, where each can be positive or negative. When only one exists it is no longer positive, even if it is of "The Good"

tl;dr

We become weak in an apocalyptic utopian vision to bring about total order to nature separate from the natural laws of the universe like some earthly pocket dimension in the name of "The Greater Good", we become perfect order and the manifestation of death. Totally immoral

How come fish can eat fish but I can’t eat fish?

So to be clear, you're unironically trying to convince me along with 3 billion other Christians that God's word is not infallible because muh slavery, and on that basis, we should follow your personal moral code instead? And you never answered the second part of my question earlier. Where are your morals derived from? Let me guess, you're just smarter and more inherently moral than everyone else, right?

Not in my case. Red meat is one of the only things my stomach can digest without issues.

The only other option is to let them starve to death. Domesticated cows cannot survive on their own and all you cruel as fuck Lefty's want to let them starve to death. They have a purpose and they live better lives than any of us. Next time you meet a meat worker, you say "thank you for your service" and fuck off back to your car to eat your vegan burger.

How can you morally justify eating animals

Don't know.
Never bothered.
Won't start now.

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One thing many cults have in common is that they forbid their followers to eat meat. Meat is brain food.