Critical Thinking

I agree, but the things you described, are (sadly) a part of the human condition. People are selfish, a good system (Christian capitalism for example) employ those attributes in a way that when the individual pursues his own interests, others benefit. When he tries to get rich he makes life better for others, when he seeks status he must improve himself and be a better (or more valuable) person to others.
The confirmation bias mentioned in OP and the cultish behavior of a group is natual. Also the cart will not move itself, it needs a horse, I just want one who isn't drunk or evil

I agree, but the things you described, are (sadly) a part of the human condition. People are selfish, a good system (Christian capitalism for example) employ those attributes in a way that when the individual pursues his own interests, others benefit.

Yeah, I feel like there was this time where people saw the truth and took it for what it was. Maybe they questioned it but ultimately they were being critical thinkers and saw the way eventually. Now, I feel like people are angry, rebelling and destroying not to overthrow evil with righteous fury, but for it's own sake. Might be pride, something like "Don't tell me what to do, don't tell me what to think" or something.

Might seem a bit hypocritical when talking about the status quo of the world, but as I said, it's all about critical thinking, and what people think of as critical thinking is not that, it is just doing what is expected of you by people who couldn't care less about your well-being, selfish people, as you said.

Anon Babble talks a lot about NPCs and what have you and I realize a vast majority of people seem to just take things at face value, like that "we're coming for your children" gay choir song that came out a while back. People keep screeching how it's satire and refuse to hear there's actually a convicted pedophile in the video.

This is more revelation of intentions, warning-type stuff. Most people think that they would say that just as a joke, or that these satanic signs happen to just show up in every music video by certain labels because it's "funny", but

Kind of makes me realize when people say to do critical thinking, it's just critical thinking on their terms...and it kinda makes me wonder if what is and is not considered good or bad, right or wrong to us is not really because it IS either of them, but because the powers that be say it is. Most people have brains and word of mouth has made it easier for the truth to spread but most people, like 80% or more, will just eat up whatever they say from wherever and take it as fact without looking at any counterarguments.

Case in point

muh christianity

This is not actually critical thinking, or morality. This is "a big jewish war god is sitting in a cloud, and he'll spank me real bad if I don't behave once I get there", not figuratively, but literally. Another variant of that same god's religion has a prophet that fucks a 6 year old (or tries, finally jamming his little pecker in there when she's 9), and that's perfectly moral to them.

Don't mistake any rule system fed to people like that as anything but NPC programming. It's just what was fed to them as kids, they'd have believed anything else that was fed them. They don't actually reason; "Well, murder is bad because it's not my place to end someone's life if he's not hurting anyone else", they have defer the decision to someone else "My book 'which is the truth and the only truth, as told to me by superiors when I was a kid' says it's bad."

youtube.com/watch?v=Vv1ePHLccb8
people dont have it

It's just what was fed to them as kids

Yep, just look at the current generation, lol. Life is shit, sadly

Like I said, they're not actually critically thinking, they just THINK they are

"Don't tell me what to do, don't tell me what to think" or something.

My father's reaction whenever i invoke 'god' or 'objective good' or 'morality'
A knee-jerk response, automatic and angry, 'oh so YOU think YOU know everything'... i never said anything to that effect, the mere thought of moral judgement makes him angry and rebellious. It's one thing to be a moral relativist, its another to have religious ferver and zeal towards such and agnostic position. Atheism allows the religious blind spot as one worships the self (defacto satanism). It's why people speak about 'the science' in a way so backwards, so antithetical to the scientific method... Tell them the scientific method was developed by monks under the church and watch their heads explode...
Sorry im such a blackpill, the weight is heavy, im here to help, not make yours heavier

the one who ruined society in the first place

"There is no doubt in my mind that people need to be herded like cattle for their own benefit and protection"

of course you would say that shekelstein

Another critical thinker
You think that will put me in the driver's seat? Not really
Go nig somewhere else

Sorry im such a blackpill

Hey, we're all here to speak freely

the weight is heavy, im here to help, not make yours heavier

No, don't worry, you're with good people here. Say what you want, say what you need to say

I don't think that was the best idea buddy

Did I just kick a beehive full of niggers?

Another critical thinker

annudah shoah

Unfortunately. I really dread what's going to happen now.

whats supposed to happedn?

Come for discussion, stay for tardrage. That's how it always is.

The entire point of this was that really stupid people don't want solutions or to hear the truth, they want to be angry and find a way to destroy the world more. Well everyone here doesn't want the latter but some people here do want to get enraged for the dumbest of reasons.

Not judging 'cuz I like seeing this shit unfold but I think their responses speak for themselves.

Bots have found the thread.

Bots have found the thread

Or that

Rage posting is encouraged by the manipulators of Anon Babble as a way of draining emotional / psychic energy in a negative fashion.
It makes exchange of ideas and information difficult if not impossible.
Similar to Rudy Giuliani promising a happening in two more weeks back in 2020. The average humanoid can't hang on to anger for two weeks. By the time two weeks were over, nothing ever happens had kicked in. Which was the plan. Revolt was postponed.

Hm. Interesting.

I don't think any organized religion got it perfect, the better idea they have the more they would prosper and create greater temptation to sin in high places. The more the the public trust them the more likely it is that they will do badly, they are on their best behavior when there is tension and people doubt them openly. In that way, it is self correcting slowly on a macro level. My point is,
religion = theology (metaphysics) + organized structure
The organized structure is like a state or a principality. that part, if succecful wields political power (officially or not), they have influence on peoples behavior. Once a religion/state has power it attracts cynical people for that reason.
Now, no regime or polity has been perfect of even close, but it's better to have safe roads than to live under warlords and highway robbers. Such are my feelings towards religion. No one got it just right but some are better than others, and all of them are prefered to barbarism. There is no society without shared notions of morality or cosmology, that is like 'freedom of language' when I can improvise words mid sentence, very stupid freedom indeed.
Religion isn't necessarily what we call that, it isn't a nice building to go to once a week, that's community, another thing we are slowly forgeting.... The problem starts when we (leftists mainly) view standards and morality as oppressive, and start thinking they can and should dismantle the structure because it's "arbitrary"...
Back to your point, people WILL cling to some intellectual clergy, it's best if they are competant and decentralized

chill out bro, i was just dissing some jews. whats the big deal

The more the the public trust them the more likely it is that they will do badly

I don't remember where I heard this but I heard "The moment you put your faith in one person, even for a moment, you are asking or them to be betrayed". However I also heard from the channel "Think Before You Sleep": "Regardless of what you believe in, the idea you can brainwash people says more about a weak mind than it does whatever you preach", or something like that. It's true. As I said, people should think for themselves, including their religious beliefs. If God is the way, so be it.

but it's better to have safe roads than to live under warlords and highway robbers

And yet, people are perfectly fine with creeps in office and "people" protests where people die and the media doesn't want to show it. Again, refer to OP Picrel "We see what we want"

that's community, another thing we are slowly forgeting

So, I dunno, how do we rebuild community? Find people who connect with us and make grow healthier and stuff?

"people" protests

I meant PEACEFUL. What media calls Peaceful protests that are full of armed lunatics and murderers and rapists trying to deny their kind are scum and shit

Ok, I hope you understand what I mean by this:
A satanist will tell you that because you think critically and they don't, you can use that (to your benefit)
A righteous person will tell you HAVE to use it, that this gap creates a moral responsibility on you to use that (for THEIR benefit).
Have you ever heard about the libertarian Shepard? Half his sheep wandered off, the other half walked off a cliff
Pride is the main danger on this path

guys

i farded

All true, all true. I understand completely

Is this the Krusty Krab?

it's just critical thinking on their terms..

Their terms based on the information they have been given. Fact is that people don't research themselves about shit and don't read history, politics or whatever.

critical thinking

Ever been around Libertarians? 20% druggies, 20% homosexuals and swingers, 20% gun nuts and 20% smartish people who aren't smart enough to understand how the world really works.
t.Former lolbert that helped stop gun band on two continents.

Nope, they just rot their brain with their phone and look for "facts" on plebbit

Band = bans. Fucking auto-incorrect. It also changes to Jew to half a dozen different words.

Hopefully wherever you are you aren't deadass tired like me, lol

Nope, they just rot their brain with their phone and look for "facts" on plebbit

It's a part of the dumbing down of the human. The more you hide real conversations and real history the dumber people's view becomes. Because you know, people can be fucking intelligent and have high degrees and shit - but their view will still be dumb on the world because they don't know anything about the world

People need their rituals, they need their enemies and their satans.

My role was to play Satan the Accuser.

This was simply to make anon think.

Now anon wants me to leave and never come back and that's fair.

If you want me to leave tell me now and I won't post on the forum again.

And if you point this out, all they have to do is call you cringe, and your point is immediately invalidated. Man, what a horrible time to be alive.
Being serious here, what the hell is wrong with this world?

Nah, you're good. Continue.

Please don't be sarcastic with me.

I want you to tell me if I'm not welcome on the board anymore. I will leave and never post again.

Despite everything. I respect this board.

I'm being dead serious when I say that everyone has a voice here. I just want to state my peace and so should you. I didn't put that image of comforting a hurt kid to be ironic like some latte slurping hipster douche zoomer, you know

I'm being dead serious

the only people I respect in the world is anon.

I don't know who I am without this board.

You sound like you're in your early 20s who just stumbled into a fairly basic epistemological realization of confirmation bias. You still rely on Anon Babble for validation, though. Recognizing an echo chamber doesn't immunize you from being in one.

this thread stinks of larping fart heads. im out

TBF the most interesting sites tend to be shadow banned by Google. Even Anon Babble at one point, only pointing to Wikipedia instead of the site.
Normies are trying to work a job if they can get one, commute, play with their kids, talk to their wife, prepare food, etc. They don't have time to do autistic deep dives and rely on trusted authorities not to lie to them. The TV presenter at his desk is the new bishop in his pulpit, relaying holy truth.
When they find out the bishop is a pedo and the TV presenter an intelligence asset all they can do is withdraw. They stop going to church and stop watching TV. They don't suit their job, abandon their family and go on a one man crusade to replace the system. The system is designed to prevent that. Terry commited suicide, Ted was given Covid in Supermax and McVeigh became an FBI agent.

I don't know who I am without this board.

A lost child reaching who hasn't found any other way to share his voice without being judged...like everyone else here, sadly

TBF the most interesting sites tend to be shadow banned by Google

Yeah, I'm...I'm aware

The system is designed to prevent that

I don't remember where I heard this from but "The system was never broken, it was built this way". Make of that what you will.

Fuck. quit, not suit.

All good

critical thinking, it's just critical thinking on their terms

It comes down to how important the conclusion is to them. You might need to figure something out for somebody, or somebody wants you to come to the same conclusion. Critical thinking as the sole investigator means you get to give others the facts, but when someone is trying to convince you of something they aren't interested in your observations.

I really feel like it's just the powers that be who want to say what is and is NOT the right way of thinking
Art, Morals, Behavior, etc. If you don't act the way WE want you to, we will find EVERY way to shame you.

they aren't interested in your observations.

No, that's wrong... They'll want to control your observations.

They'll want to control your observations.

Like I said

Yes, tptb have an interest in controlling these things and they should. They've just been utterly wrong for a long time.

If they weren't lying they wouldn't need to control your observations so much as smite the lies.

tptb

I get it I'm gone.

What? What's wrong?

Absolutely!

Before Google removed it's 'Do no evil.' policy statement, before Google existed, books were heavily censored. They were censored by having multiple publishing houses that would never accept a manuscript that countered the official narrative and by having carefully curated lists of authors to promote that were all inner party members.
Just a few in the sci-fi field:
Asimov worked on mind control, promoted Eugenics. He died of AIDS and his son was the biggest CP dealer ever busted.
Heinlein was a naval academy graduate.
Hubbard was from a USNI family.
Pournelle was Boeing's Futurist and a NASA insider.
Niven's family made its money from stolen govt oil fields.
Cordwainer Smith was CIA and wrote the manual on psychological warfare.
There are many more. Most of the 'golden age' scifi authors were Jewish communists or intelligence operatives.
The New York Times Review of Books told the educated classes what to read and thus what to think.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY! What we consider good or bad media is not REALLY because it is good or bad, but because people who are deadlocked into analyzing things a certain way make it so. They control what makes good art or books or entertainment. If it doesn't fit their standards, they will shame you and demonize you.
God, I WISH there was a way to subtly tell people this without being ousted by the horde

Picrel. I know it's hypocritical to use a Hollywood movie to validate my point, but the point still stands, especially since the OG was against commies

How?

Make them notice other NPC's programmed reaponse on a topic where they veered off narrative
This isn't the question though, the question is, 'should you?'

It's also telling that you're stuck with a low-hanging fruit gay choir video engineered to provoke while US schools nationwide were teaching gender spectrum as gospel. Trump hasn't stopped that, has he?

God, I WISH there was a way to subtly tell people this without being ousted by the horde.

The mentally ill were dumped on the public in the 70s & 80s when the asylums were closed down and heavy medication was used instead of incarceration. Most people have had some interaction with a loonie and it's not pleasant.
The next simple step was to put out media that joined the mentally ill and the informed in the minds of the normies.
Conspiracy Theory (1997) with Mel Gibson, which ends with a shot of the World Trade Centre Towers, is a prime example.
Normies then reject the knowers,who become upset and frustrated, speeding the cycle of rejection.

gay choir video engineered to provoke while US schools nationwide were teaching gender spectrum as gospel. Trump hasn't stopped that, has he?

NOPE. The gay choir was a symptom, not the root problem. I just wanted a good example everyone know about.

Make them notice other NPC's programmed reaponse on a topic where they veered off narrative

This isn't the question though, the question is, 'should you?'

Personally I was thinking of finding like-minded people and helping them grow to be their best without fear of being fucking crucificed, so...I will if I can. If I can't, I'll learn.

Normies then reject the knowers,who become upset and frustrated, speeding the cycle of rejection.

Yes, my point exactly. Is there a way to...well, not exactly fix it but allow the knowers to escape from what can't be fixed?

Is this a merchant?

OP 37 pbtid

What you are really trying to call attention to is, nuance.

Nope. Just a free thinker.

Which most people do not have nowadays...and what they THINK is nuance is just confirmation bias.

what they THINK is nuance is just confirmation bias

Sure. Those people are called midwits

This anon made a good point

Recognizing an echo chamber doesn't immunize you from being in one

I mean I can just leave. I just wanted to get it off my chest, I didn't think people would want to hear what I have to say. And if you have a counterpoint, share away. I never said I wanted to JUST hear my own thoughts repeated to me. Otherwise I'd just write in a notebook or something.

That would've had more intellectual integrity if you expanded on it before I brought it up.

Keep posting. Its rare to see a thoughtful discussion on Anon Babble these days.
As for your question, I don't think it's possible with the current state of mankind. You would need to be in a position to teach and mold young minds to make a difference. Conservative white males are being blocked from those rolls via credentialiism and being blocked from higher education. Even if they make it through, teaching to approved syllabus with approved text books kills the free thinker.

Keep posting. Its rare to see a thoughtful discussion on Anon Babble these days.

Alright.

You would need to be in a position to teach and mold young minds to make a difference.

I was thinking of posting YouTube videos in a calm and insightful manner without grifting like so many others (as I have a job) because of the young, impressionable minds glues to their phones and iPads, but there's a good chance the people here on Anon Babble would have a different and in some cases negative reaction to that, like say it's a horrible idea, so I'm open to suggestions and alternatives

Putting your face on YouTube may be counterproductive if you want to keep your job.
Have you noticed that the new twitter logo is a double cross? I'm regularly reminded of an 'insider' poster who stated just before the Gaza false flag that there was going to be a happening, all social media responses would be monitored and those against the narrative would be targeted in the future.
I agree that YouTube is the long form method for reaching normies at the moment. Substack appears to be the platform for the thinkers, equivalent to the essayists of the 18th & 19th centuries. I guess YouTube is the travelling showman / revivalist / shoe box orator equivalent.

Shoe box = soap box.

Putting your face on YouTube may be counterproductive if you want to keep your job.

What about if I wear a mask and have an alias? I go on Kiwifarms sometimes so I know to not share too much about my information

I agree that YouTube is the long form method for reaching normies at the moment. Substack appears to be the platform for the thinkers, equivalent to the essayists of the 18th & 19th centuries. I guess YouTube is the travelling showman / revivalist / shoe box orator equivalent.

So, yeah, sounds like it would be the easy way. Still, I'm gonna check out substack if I can. Might be interesting

Hard to make the necessary z0y face to be picked by the YouTube algorithm if you wear a mask.
YouTube also uses the approved publisher /favoured authors list system. Most guntubers were demonetized / shadow banned except for those working for (((Leviathan Tribe))).
Google plays the same game. For a decade certain gun related searches would have one of my forum posts as the first result. After Bundy Ranch, Google stopped showing gun forum results except for Reddit. Instead they recommended Leviathan Tribe videos on YouTube.

Hard to make the necessary z0y face to be picked by the YouTube algorithm if you wear a mask.

You really think I'm asking for THEIR approval? Besides, there's more than one way to get my voice across, even in one space

Christianity works well

Most Christians today are niggers and shitskins. Take Armenia, for example (since using niggers would be too easy). It's one of the oldest christian civilizations on the planet - and what do they have to show for it? A dirt-poor shithole.
There are no christian values. A superstructure that just proclaims literally EVERTHING was made by their god has no values in the first place. It just wants to dominate.
Without Whites, christianity would be the shitshow it is everywhere else it.
Also, an exil kike writing down for their disgusting lot what they should stop doing to avoid getting exiled again (the 10 commandments) is nowhere near proper morality. It's jews telling other jews what the bare minimum is to skinwalk among decent people.

It's worse than you think. 95% of the people you interact with in real life can't think objectively about whether something is true. They must first ask: "is this safe to believe this is true?" - where does the safety come from? From the herd. Authority figures are given disproportionate weighting because of their perceived ability to sway others. That's why NPCs take the "shortcut" of just believing authority figures and not even thinking critically about what they say, it's that they are anticipating that many others will believe this and they adjust accordingly.

Have you ever noticed that there are people who are "famous" for being "famous". i.e. they were just on some TV show or something like that and then literal NPCs will take great interest in what they're doing because they're well known and they see some article.

It's natural for most actual people to go through a bargaining stage. In my 20s I also believed this 80% figure you mention. Prior to that in my teens I thought it was about 50%. But it is 95% exactly, 1 in 20 of the people you meet there's just not a whole lot of introspection or critical thinking going on, they're going by intuition and if you want to know what "they" think all you have to do is just take the top 5 people they spend the most time with, average them and you'll be able to work backwards. It's actually kind of shocking how accurate that is.

The older I get now the less time I interact with these "people". Even on here if I just see some retarded kneejerk reply I just filter them and ignore it. The main appeal of this place and others like it (10+ years ago) was that you could just discuss things without your name or anything about you being attached to it, so it forced you and others to think about the information itself and be more objective. But over the years more and more retards have come from other places who think they're in good company. That this is yet another place to engage like its sportsball.

A superstructure that just proclaims literally EVERTHING was made by their god has no values in the first place. It just wants to dominate.

One of the worst things that can make bad people gain power is mask it by pretending to be the hero or saying what they're doing is realistic, twisting morals and favoring gaslighting and calling it nuance.
Actions speak louder than words

SF men's choir

A pedo

Idk if you remember but it was much more than just the one, it was one of my bigger redpills at a younger age

No you don't lol

Even freud questioned his own dreams are realized wishes crap

Let alone us who know you can just modify dreams with external factors

Idk if you remember but it was much more than just the one

I do, but one of them was more obvious than the other, and they still refused to at LEAST humor this observation

It's because they took away essay answers in schools so people only know how to parrot information and can't form their own thoughts.

Sir, your ESL is showing. Please try to repeat what you said in a less disjointed way. Gracias.

It's because they took away essay answers in schools so people only know how to parrot information and can't form their own thoughts.

Or rather the teachers are the ones feeding the sludge and holding the knife.

So what do you recommend? How do you keep your sanity. How do you navigate knowing someone is probably going to knife you, or as in you have a sniper scope pointed at you somewhere. How do you find good company? All things everyone here would like to know

Shit the fuck up faggot

People keep screeching how it's satire and refuse to hear there's actually a convicted pedophile in the video.

Ostensibly, "we're coming for your children" to them was to mean that they are coming for your children to teach them to not be hateful or some shit.

Ostensibly, "we're coming for your children" to them was to mean that they are coming for your children to teach them to not be hateful or some shit.

I've said it in other parts but action matters more than intent

95% of the people you interact with in real life can't think objectively

This is a horrible simplification. It's not just low resolution, it's both too much hyperbole and laser-focussed on a single assumption that it's counterproductive.
If we build it from the ground up, a decent start is to accept that we're biological, social creatures that internalizes their main modes of thinking in their youth. It thus follows that some people can't think properly (biology), some haven't learned how to (environmental) and some don't want to question whatever they axiomatically believe (social).
If we exclude propaganda for a moment, the main issues in regards to critical thinking are two-fold:
Schools, for one, reward trust in authority figures, which inherently renders questioning things moot. If an action gets no reward in the most important system any kid participates, it's only natural that said action isn't practised, let alone mastered.
Secondly, it's virtually impossible to mentally rebuild everything on your own from scratch. Nobody has the time for that, nor the resources necessary to form a non-biased opinion on their own - even with the internet at your fingertips.
A simple example is universal healthcare. Most people in Europe think it's a good thing. From first principles, it's a scam where an employer socializes the risk of injury of his worker. Lobbied interest simply managed to convince people that paying for the contractual risk some miner or factory worker accepts for his wage is somehow such a good idea that we all should be legally forced to chip in.
In short, we live in a world where plenty of debates have already taken place and nobody has the time nor the platform to meaningfully renegotiate whatever shitty outcome we ended up with. That's far more of a reason why people don't bother thinking critically than some (((psychological))) explanation that reeks of self-aggrandizement.

Interesting observation. So how do you deal with all this?

On the bigger scale, we already live in a jew-run global dominance of Frankfurt school doctrine that constantly assaults the family, beauty, truth, etc.
The only way to fight that is to constantly express, showcase and exemplify exactly what the kikes want to destroy. Not to offend anyone, but to make them see the virtue in it.
On the individual scale, I suppose these days you have to allow yourself to think to begin with. Meaning, turn off that podcast, that white noise twitch stream or w/e and just let your mind digest the stories you've ingested that day.
Then, learn about mental models that are useful to map onto the world. Like Archimedes, you can lift the world from the right angle, and that proper positioning is only granted to you by assuming different viewpoints until you find the right one.

They put dumb dreams in your head

Because is easy and they can also b4 they hate your personal choices

Much better. And yeah, unrealistic expectations. They never tell you about the journey, just the destination. I think T-Pain said something like take, and considering where his career is right now and how fucking broke he is, your words hold a lot of water

The only way to fight that is to constantly express, showcase and exemplify exactly what the kikes want to destroy. Not to offend anyone, but to make them see the virtue in it.

What would you recommend?

On the individual scale, I suppose these days you have to allow yourself to think to begin with. Meaning, turn off that podcast, that white noise twitch stream or w/e and just let your mind digest the stories you've ingested that day.

Everyone hear has taken that first step so...I guess we're good for now...hopefully nobody relapses

Then, learn about mental models that are useful to map onto the world. Like Archimedes, you can lift the world from the right angle, and that proper positioning is only granted to you by assuming different viewpoints until you find the right one.

Explain in detail if you can, I wanna know more

how many of your ideas are yours, i often think about this
dostoieski had a character he desccribed as highly intelligent yet having never had an original thought, it stuck with me

I've been thinking about how most people seem to take things at face value without questioning them, and it makes me wonder if our sense of right and wrong is shaped less by truth and more by whoever holds influence or power.

aka

truth is relative

there's no definitive answer to that
/thread

What would you recommend?

Ideals will change over the course of your life. The best you can do is live up to the ones you have now until you identify better ones to replace them with.
Health, for one, is naturally a sine qua non. You can't do much if your body is distracting you with pain or making you constantly feel inferiror.
Ultimately, you're an artisan who gets to sculpt a life. Just make the best choices you can.

Explain in detail if you can, I wanna know more

Take the current tariff debate. You can't understand what's going on with a concept of Schumpeter's creative destruction (the death of companies via competition), the massive wage differences between the US, its neigbors like Mexico and China, the debt-driven perpetual war economy forced on Japan, the subsistence of the US on exporting debt in the form of treasuries, the meaning of the til recently overly high value of the dollar for the rest of the world, the bankers' eternal need for collateral to create money and their unwillingness to do so under low interest rates, etc.
The more useful models you have to frame a situation, the better you can understand the world.

without a concept*

Sorry for the typos and the ESLing.

Delete this thread if you care about critical thinking. Normies can only copy what you know about critical thinking and will only repeat what people capable of critical thinking say back to them. The problem is the fallacy that you can teach people critical thinking. Put simply if you were to challange a normie and ask him "whats critical thinking" he will give you the google definition back. If critical thinking were not genetic then the entire discrimination of people being less or void of critical thinking would be undefined and implies that the "normie" has "another" default way of "thinking" which is irrational and he will choose to think this way when ever he/she likes.

Typical Intelligent child: ""Critical Thinking?" As apposed to what? What does your brain do normally? Im pretty sure my brain always does that."

Same goes with "The Scientific Method". If some one doesnt follow this thought pattern based on instinct then they dont follow it at all.

You can almost imagine these apes following a flow chart on how to structure their thoughts like humans do.

Archimedes

dostoieski

What's your stance on Machiavelli and Nietzche if you have any?

The best you can do is live up to the ones you have now until you identify better ones to replace them with.

Sounds like a learning process. Hey, that's why we're here

The more useful models you have to frame a situation, the better you can understand the world.

I see. Assuming I'm reading this right, how do I find better models, or do they just come to me like the ideals I replace with outdated ones, as you said?

Sort of. I'm a fan of Barbara Kruger and Edward Ruscha

Keen to see anything you've read on the topic.

thats an interesting question
archimedes was mentioned by someone elso though,
on machiavelli, it allows you to look at the politics of dominion as they existed in the late middle ages, it underscores the fact that the right to rule and taxation is based on nothing other than the power of swords and armies, recent or old.
on nietzsche, it shows you there is no objectivity in morals, there is dominion, there is the warrior-conqueror master morality, and the subsurbiant egalitarian slave morality, no one is any more licit than the other, you can become a caesar if you so choose, or a slave if your not careful.

we touch on issues of power, dominion, mastery

it is related as well to hegel and kojeve, who work the idea of the master-slave dynamic,

the right to rule is the right to kill or show mercy, two equally capable forces, be it men or nations, fight to the death in a struggle for supremacy, and the winner chooses whether he wants to spare a life, whether he could use the labour, but he finds no recognition, which as they tell us is all he sought

rousseau is also important, because he noted that the origins of politics, are the origins of land bound by man, the moment men thought of binding land to their dwelling and work, walls were born, whosoever own the walls is master, whosoever seeks to live within the walls is servant, if any man be it through debt or defeat in battle comes to be useful, he is slave. without the walls and the castles there is no need or chance to really consider slavery or mass formation warfare.

these are the foundations of 'civil' society
(a household consists of free men and slaves-aristotle), blood and chains

They don't have time to do autistic deep dives and rely on trusted authorities not to lie to them. The TV presenter at his desk is the new bishop in his pulpit, relaying holy truth.

web.archive.org/web/20081031002344/http://www.internet-grocer.net/hypnosis.pdf

My Friday night = reading the above & then doing my grocery shopping at the late night supermarket.

She's looking out for us with the 20/20 observational truths needed for today's tribulations

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Clip from Black Iron Prison talk with Alx Rivvera, recorded 2018 I think.

Ideals often form out of admiration or necessity. Both of those will cross paths with you naturally as you live your life.
Models, however, need to be sought out. The best guidance is your curiosity and your honest ignorance.
If you don't understand something to your satisfaction, put in the work to fill the gaps and you'll learn new ways to view the world automatically.
Obviously, a decent shortcut is to check out the recommend readings of your groups you participate in. Like the intellectual right loves their Evola, De Jouvenel, Carl Schmitt, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Mises, etc. or - if antagonistic - Land, Deleuze and Guattari (and Freud as their foundation).
If nothing else, that lets you understand which models the influential people around you try to apply to understand the world, which already gets you a good step closer to becoming the best self you can be.

All this

Christ almighty, this is fascinating stuff. Color me impressed.

Anon Babble talks

/pol thinks

Anon Babble believes

Anon Babble says

Anon Babble is a moderated space

Anon Babble has editors and leaders

Anon Babble has a unified anything

If you continue to believe in any of these generalizations, you have failed at:

critical thinking

and you are an NPC
have a nice day

Ideals often form out of admiration or necessity

The adoration part might be why there's so many NPCs and pretentious grifters. The necessity part is reserved for those who know the truth and can survive just fine

If you don't understand something to your satisfaction, put in the work to fill the gaps and you'll learn new ways to view the world automatically.

This is unfortunately how so many people can the wrong ideas and will fall for anything to fill in those gaps, even if they are wrong. They need some kind of foundation, and a direction and admitted bias for what information to sort out. You know what they say, "Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"

Freud as their foundation

Are you sure that's the best foundation? Not saying you're wrong, just that I know Freud had quite the affinity for cocaine, so I feel like I might have to take his words with a grain of salt, as is Nietzche if only because of his syphilis...I KNOW what that shit does to your brain.

Picrel

If you continue to believe in any of these generalizations

Again, I could just leave. I wasn't expecting this thread to go on for 129 FUCKING replies

Again, I could just leave

reminder

ultimately if the interest is critical thinking, what you want is to rid yourself of metaphysical presuppositions, rid yourself of ideology, and construct for yourself a minimalist ontology, that is based on empiricism, occams razor, and maybe rationalism, so take facts as they are, note the obvious properties and relations, and integrate them into your thinking based only on sound logic, furthermore, be ready at any moment to update your set of facts and to alter the logical schemas and thus change your mind or your thinking.

so then aristotelianism, baconian science,cartesian rationalism, and american pragmatism, believe the minimum beliefs for proper functioning and only based on facts you can confirm yourself

Very well. Thank you for your time.

The seminal work of Deleuze and Guattari is called "Anti-Oedipus", which is a left-wing "open to everything"-approach to modernity based on Freud's obsession with that particular childhood complex as a struggle towards adulthood. So, they demand an understanding of Freud, which, in turn, is then demanded by Land who picks up where Deleuze and his French buddy left. Land. in turn, is then picked up by the likes of Auron MacIntyre, the youtuber, and his sort who consider themselves right-wing(ish) thinkers.
In short, in Land you get a techno-accerationism that finds the path to revolution in the embrace of feminism as the ultimate destroyer of borders and Kant's philosophical legacy and in MacIntyre, you then find the rather pathetic attempt of the "new intellectual right" to formulate an answer to that which isn't vapid and marred by a lack of both vision and masculinity.

the rather pathetic attempt of the "new intellectual right" to formulate an answer to that which isn't vapid and marred by a lack of both vision and masculinity.

Funny how that works. Like I said, people see what they want to see

Right and wrong usually get determined by a persons morals. So yes OP. Good job figuring out that morality is subjective. And critical thinking often falls within predifibed boundaries of the individuals moral mindset.
But you need to be 18 to post here.

Kind of makes me realize when people say to do critical thinking, it's just critical thinking on their terms

Just the assertion of your premise, is you doing the same thing ironically. Intelligence is the ability to adjust your foundational understanding of the world quickly without it, ripping apart your paradigms. Remember that. Black-and-white thinking is for fucking retards.